How will the AD changes affect your gameplay and spending behaviour?

suicidalgodot

How do you think the removal of AD income from Leadership tasks will affect you?

I think the poll is self explicatory.

Also, this is intended as a poll, not as yet another discussion thread on that topic. So if you care to elaborate as to why you expect your playing and spending, absolutely feel free to do so, but let others' explanations stand as they are, please.

soltasword

It will take way way way more time than I have to play to make far far far less Ad than I can even get from my 3 characters now doing leadership. I level up everything at a glacier pace now and with no AD from leadership, leveling up anything will feel like trying to get to the other side of the universe traveling at 55 mph. There will just be no point in playing the game after this goes live. Unless all you want to do is just run dungeons/skirmishes/pvp/foundry all day and I mean all day every day. Because that will be what you have to do in order to even attempt to level anything. Will this make me spend money on the game, no. The grind will be so much that unless you have hundreds or thousands of dollars a month to spend, it still won't make a difference. I went vip and with this, I totally feel like I just got ripped off. Will that make me want to spend more money here. Not just no but @#$% NO. I will be moving on to another game if this goes live. And taking my money with me.

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indro100

I just can't play more then I do now, for me.... I feel I get punished for what others do. Invested a lot in leadership, they already took 600 IL away from me and after two months and several tickets, bug reports, I don't have it back. For me it means they don't have interest in what we are saying or asking, their only concern is how to make real money as soon as possible, well you don't get it from me anymore. The horrible grinding to upgrade your artifacts, the drops are to cry, a game suppose to be fun not frustration, as what it is now.

deathbeez

I'm in the wait and see camp right now. I sold off all my RP stocks for the RPx2 weekend for a war chest for the bad times to come. Well, bad times are already here, but worst times then that.

santralafax

I only bought three months VIP because I wanted to see if they were going to F things up again. Here we go....

I mostly do PVE campaign zones with a little PVP. They aren't offering more AD for campaign zones at this point, so it is a net loss for me--and I don't have a Leadership army.

jernmajoren

I allready bought what i need from the limited Zen market so i dont expect to buy much Zen in the future.
The conversion rate for Zen -> AD is too low at 500 that its not worth the money to do so imo.

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kolatmaster

Same as before, as this is doesn't really impact me much at all... Aside from earning more in game dinero, and I'll still do Leadership for the RP. Though I do think they should add something to offset the AD removal on the Leadership profession, and I really like the idea of adding Stronghold AD Vouchers!

durynte

will watch and wait

I pay for ZEN whenever I think the current module offering is good. Payed a decent amount for mod 1-5. Mod 6 was displeasing with XP and HP. Mod 7 is for guilds, all good and fine, not particular interesting to me, albeit I join and help once in a while.

The current deal for almost new customers like myself is this: trade in some extremely decent amount of progess help, AD from leadership, for 2 speed run Skirmish + 2 speed run Dungeon + 2 speed run or camping PvP. If I had been looking for that kind of entertainment I'd have chosen a MOBA.

d4rthd00fus

This is going to affect the players who don't use leadership when all those who do leave the game or play much less frequently. With no one to play with this game is going to get boring. Almost everyone has stated they will spend much less or zero going forward so that means the game will continue to go downhill as more dev staff will be let go and the content and bug fixes dry up.

Hiring a fixer to come in and shore up the game's economy was a good idea. The bad one was hiring Mr. Shicoff. His ideas since coming on have been nothing but bad for the game since day one. We all had such high hopes for him too. It's too bad as management won't see that until they see next month's numbers. By then it will be too late.

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soltasword

I would eventually like to get my gear, all my gear including companions, leveled up. With getting just my 3 toons to level 25 leadership ( none there yet ) it would still have taken many months. But now, forget about it. Only those that are wallet warriors, those that can play all day long ( maybe ), or those that already have everything leveled up will ever see better gear. The rest of us won't even see the light of day. Simple as that. Why play a game you know you have no chance to level up your stuff unless you fork out hundreds of dollars a month to do so. As others have stated, the botters are the only ones that will benefit from this change. No us and not Cryptic.

zacazu

the biggest problem of the game is... all the time... that change so much...

nwo is more unpredictable than the life... and... that is not a good thing.

regenerde

I have still a lot of VIP time left, i'm going to log in daily to grab the rewards, may be invoke, try out other professions until those get nerf hammered into the ground too, but i will spend less time really playing.

rasputein

This change combined with the change to the sigil quest forcing me to painfully lv another toon to 70 just to get class sigil are the nails in the coffin for me, when the AD changes go live it will take too long to do anything meaningfull with chr advancement and i have no interest in having to lv another toon to 70 just to equip my main with his class sigil, im currently looking for a new game to play, along with my 80$ bones a month i spend here.

suicidalgodot

[Just a bump for the Sunday voters]

soltasword

regenerde said:

I have still a lot of VIP time left, i'm going to log in daily to grab the rewards, may be invoke, try out other professions until those get nerf hammered into the ground too, but i will spend less time really playing.

I am in the same boat as you. I went for vip rank 7 and have six months left. If I had anyway to get that money back I would. I will log to get my key but won't stay to play. Since advancing my character now will be so agonizingly slow it won't remotely be worth it.

adammreilly

The only money I've spent in this game was to buy bigger bank slots to hoard my RP over the past 2 months.
I won't spend anymore now that I've run out of the zen I bought. I didn't do a leadership army, I only got my AD from dungeon/skirmish hours and salvaging gear. I farmed dungeon/skirmishes during the last 2 double AD weekends, and I have over 700k of rAD still, but that is such a slow trickle of conversion, that it took me until this weekend to afford to buy some stuff to attempt to resell. This whole change has spooked people and nobody is buying on the AH now.
I play daily to help my guild, and that's all I'll still be doing, until some other change that sticks it to us really pushes me the rest out of the game.

reiwulf

It doesn't affect me personally, I just play 1 character and I never had a LS army. to me LS was just a way to earn some easy 5k each day I logged in. I much prefer to earn AD by doing game related stuff, and having fun. to me doing dungeons, skirmishes, PVP, campaigns , daily quests and foundry quests should reward AD.

murattti

i hate pay2win

peonlicious

I didn`t have a Ls army though this stupid change will affect me too, and not in a good way. Thx to the changes, the removal of the daily adquests and the hourevents, i will need to run alot more dungeons and skrimishes than now, and i wont even make my 24k daily (without salvaging), cause i dont pvp and i wont play this broken system. NWO pvp is the worst i have ever seen.
But to stay on topic, i dont know how much time i will still spend, we will see, i wont spend a dime anymore though. I have spended more than 100 each month, but screw this, not a single dime until things change. And this time if a change comes i will definitely wait several months before spending again. they screwed me with the vip alrdy, and they prolly will screw me again after they do sth "good" again

urlord283

I'm not really sure

I will continue playing...

It seems I still spend more during Double refinement than expect...LOL

caomhinmcc

Actually with all the players on friends list not playing anymore...and guild actives dropping ...no news on dungeons coming back...no foundry refresh...too much grind not enough reward...what game thinks a reward is is actually insulting... will probably take my gaming dollars elsewhere...as well as my prime playing time

regenerde

peonlicious said:

I didn`t have a Ls army though this stupid change will affect me too, and not in a good way. Thx to the changes, the removal of the daily adquests and the hourevents, i will need to run alot more dungeons and skrimishes than now, and i wont even make my 24k daily (without salvaging), cause i dont pvp and i wont play this broken system. NWO pvp is the worst i have ever seen.
But to stay on topic, i dont know how much time i will still spend, we will see, i wont spend a dime anymore though. I have spended more than 100 each month, but screw this, not a single dime until things change. And this time if a change comes i will definitely wait several months before spending again. they screwed me with the vip alrdy, and they prolly will screw me again after they do sth "good" again

Well, someone said, that you can just go into PvP and hug the campfire... and if someone in game complains about it, you just say, that this is what the Devs are forcing you to do.
And then link the official thread about the AD removal from Leadership.

dillygirl

I will not transmute my newly acquired l70 artifact orb. It's ugly as hell but 50k is gonna be a lot. I regret spending 50k on getting another useless bonus power on my artifact offhand yesterday. I won't go around buying peridots to save and use the next time double RP comes around. And I probably won't buy the Pack with the moon elf race and the moonelf regalia outfit for 50 dollars because that is a lot of money and I don't know how long I will still be playing after those changes.

It's like MONTHS ago I last did a dungie or skirmish. I don't like them much. I didn't even participate the last couple of times Call of Arms was up! I don't like PVP either. I mostly do dailies Heroic Encounters, stronghold dailies/quests, and talk a lot with ppl. They say they will look into solo play AD earning, but of course that is going to take them months and then they will stop thinking about it and not do anything for solo players.

jonkoca

I only have 5 toons, 2 of which are active, 3 which just do leadership and invoke, so the loss in AD for me will amount to about 30k or so. I rely mainly on drops from SCAs, tiamat and the heralds, plus whatever HEs aren't currently nerfed to pointlessness for wealth.

However, I'm worried that when the leadership crowd does run out of money, who's going to buy my stuff..?

The market for high end stuff is going to recede, and with it, my income. And in this game, with the unending gear changes, that's going to kill me. Pay to win I'm afraid, is the reality.

wentris

I did not have leadership army. The change will not affect my RL money spending on the game. My time played will either increase - due to activities I do in game to progress will now become more beneficial, or at least stay the same if economy wont be healed enough to see any difference.

asterotg

kolatmaster said:

Same as before, as this is doesn't really impact me much at all... Aside from earning more in game dinero, and I'll still do Leadership for the RP. Though I do think they should add something to offset the AD removal on the Leadership profession, and I really like the idea of adding Stronghold AD Vouchers!

There are AD vouchers as a reward from quests and dragon flight. Green ones give 1 point=1k AD, so you can get your frst boon structure rank 1 with 'only' 2.500 green vouchers.

regenerde

jonkoca said:

I only have 5 toons, 2 of which are active, 3 which just do leadership and invoke, so the loss in AD for me will amount to about 30k or so. I rely mainly on drops from SCAs, tiamat and the heralds, plus whatever HEs aren't currently nerfed to pointlessness for wealth.

However, I'm worried that when the leadership crowd does run out of money, who's going to buy my stuff..?

The market for high end stuff is going to recede, and with it, my income. And in this game, with the unending gear changes, that's going to kill me. Pay to win I'm afraid, is the reality.

Just take a look at the auction house, and see how the prices of some items are falling like crazy, after they informed the players about the removal of AD from LS.

It looks like everyone is trying to make AD... anyway, 2-4 weeks from now, we will know more.

angrysprite

People who say they'll spend less time playing I suspect is a red herring; those who will spend less time playing do so for the bugs and previous changes. The nerf to professions regarding AD will either cause people to quit outright or they'll just keep doing what they're doing right now - which is to keep playing what they are doing now for the most part.

I'm highly disillusioned with the game as it is now from what it was at launch. I'm hanging on by a thread and haven't spent a red cent of $$$ since Mod 6 launched. I'm not gonna unrealistically proclaim I'll never send real dollars their way again, I will. I have no problem spending entertainment money for my entertainment. The problem is that right now I'm not feeling as entertained as I did before.

Therefore the onus is on Cryptic to fix things to my own liking (which is generally the way things should be according to the majority hence). I'll wait for Mod 8 to decide whether or not I keep hanging on because right now, like so many others, I'm dangling at the end of the rope and trying to hang on.

As for the AD nerf in professions: fine. As for the alternative means to earn AD: not fine. There needs to be more, a lot more - especially through solo play.

Here's my big gripe with this and all other "nerf" to AD: Create the fix or solution BEFORE whacking the previous method. Conceptually-speaking you don't fire your star employee until AFTER you've already found their replacement and ready to go. That's just plain business suicide. Everything so far feels too much like knee-jerk reaction without any plan. Think about it, Cryptic. And I'm holding my nose and pointing my finger at MANAGEMENT, not the Developers proper.

Edit: typos - most anyway.