You think you do PvP? No, PvP do you!

daahryn8

So, I was doing some low level PvP when I found something very interesting, a wild Russian... At first glance he doesn't seem to be that menacing until. BOOM! I get hit for 1.7k when I only have 6k HP. I open the scoreboard to inspect him while downed and I find to my surprise I am fighting a character that has guild stronghold accessories all equipped with R10's of course. So, my first reaction was to report him. Too bad I don't have the ability to. I'm looking at you Cryptic. Suffice to say I had a great laugh at the fact that this rude player was so desperate to prove that "Mother Russia" granted him a larger package then everyone else. That he has to prove it by enlarging his e-peen in level 10-19 PvP. Where there are new players in Commons and Uncommons. As someone who represents the "new" player perspective. Being exposed to Transcendent Armor and Weapons Enchantments as a new player to Neverwinter is one of the worst aspects of the game in my opinion. There is not fun in playing low level PvP as a new player.

I hope Cryptic will promptly fix the Guild Stronghold accessories, then banning everyone who abused this.

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eyceaether

Before we even talk about that, the accessories are ITEM LEVEL 120. That character isn't level 70!

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icyphish

they fixed the blue armors but the accessories and the dragon flight still has no level requirement. Its not an exploit its a flaw indesign...

ogarious

There will always be high level people who twink alts with extremely high enchantments in order to wreck havoc on the lower tiers in PvP. It happens in PvE too. While I cannot approve of it, otherwise of putting a level cap on certin enchantments. I dont see any way around it. And even if they were to put a level cap on enchantments, I would want it to be PvP side only.

A level 14 GWF going into a domination match with rank 12's is brutally overkill and just going to make everyone else's PvP match a living hell.

That same level 14 GWF going into a dungeon with other players is helping them complete that dungeon and getting the loot from it. I cannot help but say that that is a good thing.

emilemo

daahryn8 said:

So, I was doing some low level PvP when I found something very interesting, a wild Russian... At first glance he doesn't seem to be that menacing until. BOOM! I get hit for 1.7k when I only have 6k HP. I open the scoreboard to inspect him while downed and I find to my surprise I am fighting a character that has guild stronghold accessories all equipped with R10's of course. So, my first reaction was to report him. Too bad I don't have the ability to. I'm looking at you Cryptic. Suffice to say I had a great laugh at the fact that this rude player was so desperate to prove that "Mother Russia" granted him a larger package then everyone else. That he has to prove it by enlarging his e-peen in level 10-19 PvP. Where there are new players in Commons and Uncommons. As someone who represents the "new" player perspective. Being exposed to Transcendent Armor and Weapons Enchantments as a new player to Neverwinter is one of the worst aspects of the game in my opinion. There is not fun in playing low level PvP as a new player.

I hope Cryptic will promptly fix the Guild Stronghold accessories, then banning everyone who abused this.

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Lol, you know its best to just ignore this type of person. However if you're feeling humane consider this, they are sad people who need love more than anyone else. Dont be too hard on them

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regenerde

It could be so simple, matchmaking in PvP based on character level and itemlevel.
Even regular players might then get a chance, to have som fun in PvP.
Any alt. character with maxed out gear has to wait for a fitting match... problem solved.

juleadream

Simple solution: delete PvP from Neverwinter. All of it.

Seriously, though, I think that upon entering PvP (whether queued or IWD PvP), all enchants should simply be disabled, and artifacts scaled to a common level of Rare. This would go a huge way towards "balancing" PvP.

Or, you know, my first suggestion could always be tried...

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juleadream

arcofortep12 said:

juleadream said:

Simple solution: delete PvP from Neverwinter. All of it.

Seriously, though, I think that upon entering PvP (whether queued or IWD PvP), all enchants should simply be disabled, and artifacts scaled to a common level of Rare. This would go a huge way towards "balancing" PvP.

Or, you know, my first suggestion could always be tried...

This will never be since they make money from unsecure people wanting to excel at least in a game if not in life.
Halving the buffs will make all happy... 'Run with the hare and hunt with the hounds'. They need to fix PVP because there are lot of people spending 10$ per month or more that are upset about that. It's not safe to have paying people upset if you plan a long term engagement. They should be wise like when they fixed the leveling hurdle and provide a smart fix.

Oh, I know they won't do away with PvP... my suggestion was sarcasm (although I would do a happy dance if they ever did). But disabling enchants and scaling artifacts to a common level would be the best... let's face it, if you have trans and rank 12 enchants, even halving them would put you at a serious advantage over a new player who is considering themselves lucky to scrape together a couple of rank 6s at level 20. And yes, those Guild accessories in the OPs screenshot need to be fixed to lovel 70 only.

regenerde

Setting the Stronghold equipment to level 70 is one part, but they also have to make sure, that the equipment is placed directly in the inventory, when the character level is below 70.
I'm not sure if that is allready the case... but i wouldn't be surprised if it's not, and some people can still use all the equipment on their alt. characters.

And i have no problem with PvP, in fact, they should put some work into a real matchmaking system, so that more people could at least enjoy playing it.

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reiwulf

every enchant and equipment piece should have a level requirement to prevent this from happening. it's so basic that I can't understand why they allow it.

kvet

icyphish said:

they fixed the blue armors but the accessories and the dragon flight still has no level requirement. Its not an exploit its a flaw indesign...

Cryptic has banned (including perma banning) for using flaws of this nature. Two friends of mine way back when Sharandar was brand new got banned (one perm) for sharing the Reservoir quest using one of their alts - basically, you got the quest on an alt, and the shared it with a partner over and over. They didn't hack anything, they weren't doing anything crazy, just sharing the quest - something you can do with any other quest if you want. In this case, though, Cryptic called it an exploit and banned people for it (lots of people, as it happens). In the case of this - don't know if they'll ban people or not, but it's definitely NOT intended and in the ToS, they make it clear that making use of anything that allows you do do something that isn't intended, whether it's a bug or simply a design flaw, is considered a violation of the ToS. Again, whether they ban you for it or not is a different thing entirely, but my suggestion is to REPORT ANYONE you see using these items under level 70. Take a screenshot and report them. Whether they decide to take disciplinary action or just get off their butts and fix the defect or both is out of our hands... but do report people that are violating the rules. PWE will look into it and decide what, if any, action to take - that's nothing you can influence, but they won't know if you don't report it.

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rollingonit

That gear actually draws a particular type of player in.
Some may be heavily turned away from PVP and the game in general from such encounters. But a power whale (a whale who likes to buy power) would be drawn into the game.

Not saying its good or bad, right or wrong; but it does attract a certain type of gamer.

kweassa

rollingonit said:

That gear actually draws a particular type of player in.
Some may be heavily turned away from PVP and the game in general from such encounters. But a power whale (a whale who likes to buy power) would be drawn into the game.

Not saying its good or bad, right or wrong; but it does attract a certain type of gamer.

Actually, it's bad, and it's wrong.

PvP is like the nature. Idiots only see the "survival of the fittest" aspect of it. However, nature is also about harmony and balance of the ecocycle. The strong cannot survive without the weak. If the strong hunts up all the weak to extinction, then the entire cycle collapses and that also spells the end for the strong themselves.

Idiots doing stuff like that amount of twinking in lower levels, idiots making premades in matches where a lot of casual players also enter for dailies, idiots abusing known bugs and exploit... in the end the idiots drive away lesser players and new players. They dry up the flow of 'fresh blood' in the game, step on newbies so hard that they lose all desire to even try. Many games went down that road in PvP.

In the end, the devs make mistakes and opens up the possibilities, but it is always the players themselves that actually kill the game by doing stupid things... and NW PvP community, is full of idiots.


Here's a tip: start from the easy stuff. Stop frickin' making premades in GG. Go do it in Dom.

regenerde

kvet said:

icyphish said:

they fixed the blue armors but the accessories and the dragon flight still has no level requirement. Its not an exploit its a flaw indesign...

Cryptic has banned (including perma banning) for using flaws of this nature. Two friends of mine way back when Sharandar was brand new got banned (one perm) for sharing the Reservoir quest using one of their alts - basically, you got the quest on an alt, and the shared it with a partner over and over. They didn't hack anything, they weren't doing anything crazy, just sharing the quest - something you can do with any other quest if you want. In this case, though, Cryptic called it an exploit and banned people for it (lots of people, as it happens). In the case of this - don't know if they'll ban people or not, but it's definitely NOT intended and in the ToS, they make it clear that making use of anything that allows you do do something that isn't intended, whether it's a bug or simply a design flaw, is considered a violation of the ToS. Again, whether they ban you for it or not is a different thing entirely, but my suggestion is to REPORT ANYONE you see using these items under level 70. Take a screenshot and report them. Whether they decide to take disciplinary action or just get off their butts and fix the defect or both is out of our hands... but do report people that are violating the rules. PWE will look into it and decide what, if any, action to take - that's nothing you can influence, but they won't know if you don't report it.

Well, that is just sad... so they bann actual players, but let the bots run wild in the same place?

And yes, i reported more then enough bots in Sharandar probably doing that same quest 24/7, and nothing happened to those.
In some instances, you can still see them phase in and out of the Reservoir quest... same as with the Ghost Stories quest in Neverdeath Graveyard.

Anyway... back on topic, as allready said, the Devs should come up with a working matchmaking system - at least for the regular PvP.
I guess that with such a system for guild PvP in place, there would be not much or even any guild PvP left at all, so not a chance that we will see something in there too.

sabre10

kweassa said:

rollingonit said:

That gear actually draws a particular type of player in.
Some may be heavily turned away from PVP and the game in general from such encounters. But a power whale (a whale who likes to buy power) would be drawn into the game.

Not saying its good or bad, right or wrong; but it does attract a certain type of gamer.

Actually, it's bad, and it's wrong.

PvP is like the nature. Idiots only see the "survival of the fittest" aspect of it. However, nature is also about harmony and balance of the ecocycle. The strong cannot survive without the weak. If the strong hunts up all the weak to extinction, then the entire cycle collapses and that also spells the end for the strong themselves.

Idiots doing stuff like that amount of twinking in lower levels, idiots making premades in matches where a lot of casual players also enter for dailies, idiots abusing known bugs and exploit... in the end the idiots drive away lesser players and new players. They dry up the flow of 'fresh blood' in the game, step on newbies so hard that they lose all desire to even try. Many games went down that road in PvP.

In the end, the devs make mistakes and opens up the possibilities, but it is always the players themselves that actually kill the game by doing stupid things... and NW PvP community, is full of idiots.


Here's a tip: start from the easy stuff. Stop frickin' making premades in GG. Go do it in Dom.

Never considered the analogy to an ecosystem before, but startlingly spot on. Sadly we're sat here on the verge of an extinction event

regenerde

... or just take a look what happens to most PvP servers in most MMOs after a while.

daahryn8

I have returned to report that the player I mentioned before is still at large in the 20-29 bracket. But, this time he has a friend with the same setup. Transcendent weapon enchantment and guild accessories. So much power that I get one-shot.

eyceaether

Trans Weapon Enchantment doesn't have as much of an effect as those guild accessories and Defense/Offense enchantments.

pando83

I'm playing in 60-69 bracket with one of my alts and just met a 3.1k GF with trans Neg, trans Terror, all rank 12, where most players float around 1.5-1.8k iLvL with normals and, sometimes, greaters or, the more geared ones/old players coming back to the game, perfects.
He ran around, 1-rotating everything in his path.

This should probably not happen, but still...
You can see same stuff in lower lvl brackets.

Amazing how they managed to break it even further with this guild accessory thing. Guild stuff is account wide also, am i right?

No lvl requirement on stuff with lvl 70 stats. So Cryptypical.

santralafax

pando83 said:

I'm playing in 60-69 bracket with one of my alts and just met a 3.1k GF with trans Neg, trans Terror, all rank 12, where most players float around 1.5-1.8k iLvL with normals and, sometimes, greaters or, the more geared ones/old players coming back to the game, perfects.
He ran around, 1-rotating everything in his path.

Surprised he's not a pally, running around in a bubble 100% of the time. What's the point in running a GF anymore.

eyceaether

santralafax said:

pando83 said:

I'm playing in 60-69 bracket with one of my alts and just met a 3.1k GF with trans Neg, trans Terror, all rank 12, where most players float around 1.5-1.8k iLvL with normals and, sometimes, greaters or, the more geared ones/old players coming back to the game, perfects.
He ran around, 1-rotating everything in his path.

Surprised he's not a pally, running around in a bubble 100% of the time. What's the point in running a GF anymore.

GFs can one rotation most people quite easily if they get the drop on them. GFs are more damage oriented than Pallies.

kweassa

pando83 said:

I'm playing in 60-69 bracket with one of my alts and just met a 3.1k GF with trans Neg, trans Terror, all rank 12, where most players float around 1.5-1.8k iLvL with normals and, sometimes, greaters or, the more geared ones/old players coming back to the game, perfects.
He ran around, 1-rotating everything in his path.

This should probably not happen, but still...
You can see same stuff in lower lvl brackets.

Amazing how they managed to break it even further with this guild accessory thing. Guild stuff is account wide also, am i right?

No lvl requirement on stuff with lvl 70 stats. So Cryptypical.

Oh my God, pando.. my prayers are with you.

lv60~69 bracket... LLLLLLLOL. That's like h3LL on Earth.

pando83

Mmmh...not really. I play a Soulbinder SW with rank 6, normal flaming enchant and only mulhorand weapon (not set), lvl 65 pvp set from trade of blades. And i'm at 500 kills-200 deaths, burning most enemies very, very fast. Often one-rotating them. Once my sparks are at max stacks i'm also quite survivable and with some footwork i can pull it out.
1.6k iLvL. Can have fun, while not being gamebreaking cause that gear is very much doable at lvl 60-69 (normal flaming enchant is cheap, close to bronzewood around 100-120k AD when i bought it).

Except, obviously, when i meet players in trans enchants and rank 12's. Playing like that is meh, like cheating pretty much. Going to lvl 60-69 PvP with a 3k toon or 2.5k+ toon with BiS enchants is like going to lvl 70 PvP with a 7k iLvL toon...

It's cryptic fault that basically allows such BiS gear into lower level PvP.

About GF, to respond to santralafax: you must be kidding XD
Properly built DPS GFs have the same burst of a full-stacks GWF, but they can do from start and while stunlocking the enemy. That's how much the devs buffed GFs damage.
If you go PvP with such an overgeared GF, you are 100% sure to tank a lot and vaporize the enemy's HP in few hits. The 3k guy i was talking about was literally walking around in his TNeg and TTerror, eating damage no problem and one rotating everything around him.