It's not so much single target damage as the fact that the DC class is woefully ill-equipped for DPSing. Feats/powers make Righteous dps decent, but as long as DCs don't get an AoE at-will/dailies like Tyrannical Threat/an improved version of divine Daunting Light with a larger AoE and better damage/multiple Fire of the Gods-type feats Righteous will never do as much damage as other strikers, at least without exploits. For the record, striker classes have more than one of the above so if they're being outDPSed by a Righteous DC in the same party something is very wrong.
In any case more than half the classes in Neverwinter are already dedicated strikers/have a striker paragon path. We don't need more. And a striker DC is stupid. Good luck fighting something that can do massive damage while also buffing/healing teammates with empowered Astral Shield/Bastion in PvP. As things currently are, Righteous already does enough damage to be dangerous. We don't need PvP to become even more broken.
Non-Righteous dps is fine, or it was except people couldn't stop whining so the devs had to scale down content.
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Taboo? Like other people above have said, if you are running with premades with guildies/friends, you can do whatever you want, but queue system tries to fill a party with 1 tank, 1 healer and 3 dps. If they've finally made the queue system smart enough to throw a Righteous DC into one of the 3 dps slots, then all is good, otherwise you may be taking up the healer slot in a pug group that needs healing (or prefers buffs/debuffs.) That hurts the group and can cause problems in a weak group which is why people frown upon it. Nothing taboo about it.
depends on your teammates, rightous DC definetely has no chance in any dungeon against strikerclasses like GWF or warlock, exept you outgear them
Remember, he is playing on XBOX One. There are a lot of new players over there and certainly less AD rich players. They're still learning and they don't have the benefit of ACT. It's easy for a righteous DC to out dps newbies (PC or XBOX)
He also said "about to get mod 6." Mod 5 was the best mod to be a dps DC. GWF dps was much lower and SW didn't have the SP they have now. Also, cw took some nerfs and was hurt by all of the content changes.
rightous is fine as it is, balanced I would say, beside nothing ever will be balanced in Neverwinter the buffs this class provides is like a catalysastor for every dungeon run, everything is 20-30% faster so you can´t give this class more damage on top of the tankyness the class has already Warlock, fury or damnation beats him easily, because of excellent singletarget damage and because of TT that deals the most damage by far for this class , fury i guess 40-50% in one dungeonrun, damnation path were Puppet deals about >30% and TT>20% GWF is unreachabel for all classes >3k GS every class will out dps him equal geared, except tanks
I am almost always #1 or #2 paingiver by a large margin as a DPS Righteous Cleric.
depends on your teammates, rightous DC definetely has no chance in any dungeon against strikerclasses like GWF or warlock, exept you outgear them >1k , or the player doesn´t know what to do or wich buttons to klick the singel target damage from DC on top is not very good, its bad tbh
Thing is in dungeons usually its a cluster of foes. Spamming chains 4 times in a row is going to get you a ton of damage. Or smaller groups spamming divine light which can get up to three enemies. Only thing that stops this is a wizard who keeps pushing them apart. With a single boss yeah we can be out DPS'd
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TyrTallow is correct.. there is no way a regular striker dps class should be anywhere near a righteous dps by the end of the run, in addition all of those lovely buffs you are gaining for yourself, also increased their dps.. on top of that.. most regular mob packs will melt. So if your a 2.7k righteous dc and you have a gwf, cw, sw, pally on your team, you will still at most end up on 4th level dps, you might beat the pally, depending on how they play them.
Righteous is still super great for bosses on a well played team.. kinda meh the rest of the way, the mobs will melt regardless. Its like when I wear my HP armor, in theory it makes everything faster.. but in practice, it really only seems to work on bosses, everything else just dies so super quick, the 1 or 2 stacks Ill grant , just dont help all that much in reality.
Righteous works best on a team that doesnt need heals, but its that same team that barely needs your buffs anyways. Not saying that it wont speed up a run, but its not going back to mod 4, where clearly righteous not only granted you mid range dps, it increased parties a ton and it also was so much better at Tiamat farming, it was clear you had to take it.
Its not so clear now.. Ive run on live with 4-5 builds on my dc since mod 6, Im back to faithful w/gift of haste trait-ed, as it allowed me the most regular functionality throughout the game on the largest variance factor on groups.
I can be a pure battery .. (SB slotted, HW and DG) for pallys who need it. I can go buff mode (trans plague, DG or BTS + HP armor) for super pallys. I can go heal mode (bastaion, dg and bts slotted (Ive yet to really see a need for more heals, bastion can insta heal most players) It allows best pvp build. It allows me to pretty much get anyone through anything, even really bad players, as I can basically insta heal teams with 1 cast of Bastion. The cons of this build is clear.. Im super.. duper slow at dailies, painful at times, not that you would ever die, you wont and even with 60% arp, 40% crit and 20k power I have now, its still slow.. a regular striker at 1.8 can clear dailies as fast and any striker in the mid 2's will be 50-60% faster at least.
Will Virtuous allow more battery up time? Yes of course, but it will not have massive heals and clearly isnt quite as good on most pvp instances. Will Righteous do more buffing? Yes of course, but I do have old HP to fall back on, where some current people wouldn't, I will do a heck of alot of debuffing with trans plague + hp alone, then throw in 3 bts + empowered or 3 dg + empowered on top of that.
That doesnt mean I cant see the advantage of going either other path, its just I dont see enough to drop out of my current build, that allows me the most flexibility in game.
So what do you do about farming.. I let my mid range dps farm stuff, my DC sits around to do group content mostly. Not everyone will want to do that though. So its up to you.
@silverkelt Agreed 100% I changed to rightous for the grind and doing Dungeons its sufficient in case i do not run with a 2k group I really would like to test rightous in PVP some more, not enough time and not enough fun at the actual state if the game
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For the record, striker classes have more than one of the above so if they're being outDPSed by a Righteous DC in the same party something is very wrong.
In any case more than half the classes in Neverwinter are already dedicated strikers/have a striker paragon path. We don't need more.
And a striker DC is stupid. Good luck fighting something that can do massive damage while also buffing/healing teammates with empowered Astral Shield/Bastion in PvP. As things currently are, Righteous already does enough damage to be dangerous. We don't need PvP to become even more broken.
Non-Righteous dps is fine, or it was except people couldn't stop whining so the devs had to scale down content.
He also said "about to get mod 6." Mod 5 was the best mod to be a dps DC. GWF dps was much lower and SW didn't have the SP they have now. Also, cw took some nerfs and was hurt by all of the content changes.
the buffs this class provides is like a catalysastor for every dungeon run, everything is 20-30% faster
so you can´t give this class more damage on top of the tankyness the class has already
Warlock, fury or damnation beats him easily, because of excellent singletarget damage and because of TT that deals the most damage by far for this class , fury i guess 40-50% in one dungeonrun, damnation path were Puppet deals about >30% and TT>20%
GWF is unreachabel for all classes >3k GS
every class will out dps him equal geared, except tanks
Righteous is still super great for bosses on a well played team.. kinda meh the rest of the way, the mobs will melt regardless. Its like when I wear my HP armor, in theory it makes everything faster.. but in practice, it really only seems to work on bosses, everything else just dies so super quick, the 1 or 2 stacks Ill grant , just dont help all that much in reality.
Righteous works best on a team that doesnt need heals, but its that same team that barely needs your buffs anyways. Not saying that it wont speed up a run, but its not going back to mod 4, where clearly righteous not only granted you mid range dps, it increased parties a ton and it also was so much better at Tiamat farming, it was clear you had to take it.
Its not so clear now.. Ive run on live with 4-5 builds on my dc since mod 6, Im back to faithful w/gift of haste trait-ed, as it allowed me the most regular functionality throughout the game on the largest variance factor on groups.
I can be a pure battery .. (SB slotted, HW and DG) for pallys who need it.
I can go buff mode (trans plague, DG or BTS + HP armor) for super pallys.
I can go heal mode (bastaion, dg and bts slotted (Ive yet to really see a need for more heals, bastion can insta heal most players)
It allows best pvp build.
It allows me to pretty much get anyone through anything, even really bad players, as I can basically insta heal teams with 1 cast of Bastion.
The cons of this build is clear.. Im super.. duper slow at dailies, painful at times, not that you would ever die, you wont and even with 60% arp, 40% crit and 20k power I have now, its still slow.. a regular striker at 1.8 can clear dailies as fast and any striker in the mid 2's will be 50-60% faster at least.
Will Virtuous allow more battery up time? Yes of course, but it will not have massive heals and clearly isnt quite as good on most pvp instances.
Will Righteous do more buffing? Yes of course, but I do have old HP to fall back on, where some current people wouldn't, I will do a heck of alot of debuffing with trans plague + hp alone, then throw in 3 bts + empowered or 3 dg + empowered on top of that.
That doesnt mean I cant see the advantage of going either other path, its just I dont see enough to drop out of my current build, that allows me the most flexibility in game.
So what do you do about farming.. I let my mid range dps farm stuff, my DC sits around to do group content mostly. Not everyone will want to do that though. So its up to you.
Agreed 100%
I changed to rightous for the grind and doing Dungeons its sufficient in case i do not run with a 2k group
I really would like to test rightous in PVP some more, not enough time and not enough fun at the actual state if the game