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Legion’s DPS/Survivability Combat HR

legion10398legion10398 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
edited August 2015 in The Wilds
Hello all, this is Aeras Mythalbow@legion10398 here, bringing you my DPS/Survivability Combat HR build. The build is pretty simple, but works very well, especially in clearing dungeons with a lot of trash mobs. This build is mainly to give combat HRs a good way to PvE, but it is very viable in PvP, due to high hitpoints, high deflect, and good self-healing, which is rare in PvP.

Note: You can also find this build on MMOMinds.com, where I originally created it.

Ability Scores:

So for ability scores, ideally you would role a starting score like this (not including racial modifiers); 15 Dex, 15 Wis, 13 Str, 10 Con, 11 Int, 12 Cha. Then, upgrade the scores like this:

Level 10: +1 Dex, +1 Wis

Level 20: +1 Dex, +1 Cha

Level 30: +1 All

Level 40: +1 Wis, +1 Cha

Level 50: +1 Dex, +1 Cha

Level 60: +1 All

Level 70: +1 Dex, +1 Cha

You would end up with (not including racials) 21 Dex, 19 Wis, 15 Str, 12 Con, 13 Int, 18 Cha. Ideally, you would play a wood elf, which would net you a 23 Dex, 21 Wis, 15 Str, 12 Con, 13 Int, 18 Cha. You could also play half-orc for the crit severity, in which case you would take +2 Dex, +2 Con, and put two more points into wisdom instead of constitution. Either way, you should end up with those ability scores, it just depends on whether you want +1% crit chance or +5% crit severity (and which race you think looks better!). A drow or halfling can also work, because Cha is a damage boost to us when we have an ally near us.

Feats and Powers:

I was going to post a screenshot of feats and powers, but I could not for the life of me find the Add Media button, so I am just posting the NWCalc link instead.

http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/hr?b=3cip:zbumon:f3zc:9by8d,13m0iij:1000000:1zu0zzv:1000000&h=0&p=swd

The most important feats are scything blades and battle crazed. 25% more damage and 15% higher lifesteal chance are two of the best feats out there. The former is as good as having 10,000 more power, and the latter is as good as having 6,000 more lifesteal. Piercing blades appears to be slightly broken in some way, but if it gets fixed, 40% piercing damage is almost as good as shadowy opportunity. I don’t like skirmisher’s gambit, because 10% crit chance is a lot to lose. Especially when it’s only for 28.57% more damage on criticals (175% current severity, then 225%, so you do 225/175, which comes out to 1.2857, making it a 28.57% damage increase on criticals). Basically, assuming a starting chance of 40%, you go from a 40% chance to do 175% damage to a 30% chance to do 225% damage, which is actually a damage decrease. Essentially this feat is a trap, unless you have a 50% crit chance or higher (making it excellent for niche archery/combat hybrid builds with ~90% crit chance).

As far as powers go, what powers you use matters quite a bit. Here is my setup.

Class Features:

Aspect of the Lone Wolf

Aspect of the Pack/Twin-Blade Storm/Seeker’s Vengeance/Blade Storm (very interchangeable depending on gear, skill, and where you are)

Encounters:

Thorn Ward-Thorn Strike

Split the Sky-Throw Caution to the Wind/Rain of Arrows-Rain of Swords

Fox’s Cunning-Fox Shift

Dailies:

Forest Ghost

Forest Meditation/Seismic Shot

At-Wills:

Electric Shot-Clear the Ground

Aimed Shot-Aimed Strike/Rapid Shot-Rapid Strike

Why these powers? Well, for the class features, deflect is extremely important in this build for survivability, and Aspect of the Lone Wolf is the best deflect giving feature in the game (except for trappers who prefer pathfinder’s action because they can keep it up almost always with disruptive shot). As for the second slot, that is reserved for our DPS feature. I love Aspect of the Pack because it is great party DPS, and my CA Damage stat is pretty high, making this give me the biggest damage boost. Twin-blade storm is good when you first hit 70 because it takes no setup and gives good bonus damage. Seeker’s Vengeance is pretty good if you set it up or have some defender to flank with. Blade Storm seems to proc a lot, but it should only be giving me 3.75% more damage. However, according to ACT logs, I seem to be getting more like 10-15% of my damage from it, so I don’t know. I think it might be because it does the damage in an area around you, but can multi-proc on AoE attacks. Therefore, I think it’s probably proccing 2 or 3 times every swing of clear the ground, and hitting a large area, giving me a larger amount of damage than it would seem. If true, I would use Blade Storm until you get a lot of CA Damage stat, then switch it out for Aspect of the Pack for maximum party damage.

Next, the encounters. Thorn Ward/Thorn Strike is absolutely mandatory. The debuff from Thorn Ward is quite impressive, though the actual damage from it isn’t as good. Thorn Strike is far more disappointing, but useful enough on mobs with low health. It does better in boss fights, but is still nothing special. Split the Sky is kinda poor for what it is, but it is very useful to set up a zone for the party to fight in. Throw Caution to the Wind just plain sucks. Rain of Arrows is actually very good damage in a boss fight or in LoL (where we tend to be weaker due to lack of trash). Rain of Swords is decent, but the animation is slow. It can hit a lot of mobs though, because of no target cap. It’s just hard to gauge and be accurate with it. As for Fox’s Cunning/Fox Shift, also mandatory. Fox’s Cunning has gotten even better this module because mobs hit so hard any way to automatically dodge an attack is awesome. Fox Shift is still pretty high damage, especially against 3 or 4 mobs. The immunity frame is also useful to avoid attacks.

For dailies, Forest Ghost is pretty much all you’ll be using. It does good damage, especially when there are a ton of mobs. The big draw is the invisibility, extremely useful to get away from a lot of mobs. As for the other slot, seismic shot is good aoe damage, but nothing really special, while forest meditation is a nice way to keep yourself alive, and the auto-deflect and CC immunity are useful.

The at-wills are simple as well. If there are two or more mobs, use clear the ground constantly. If there is one, use aimed strike. Simple. Clear the ground is still underrated, and while it will never be as good as Wicked Strike or Weapon Master’s Strike, it is still a pretty good aoe at-will.

Stats:

I will organize the stats into two categories; offensive and defensive.

Offensive:

The priorities for offensive stats are as follows:

Armor penetration to 60%, this is the cap for the hardest content. Remember to factor in strength and any other sources when you total it.
Critical chance to 35%, this is all you will ever need, it’s not our main focus.
Recovery to 6k or so, we don’t really need to AP gain but the cooldown reduction is nice.
Power as high as you want. Power is back to being the last stat to stack as it was pre-mod 4.
A quick word on the other offensive stats; CA damage is a good stat for us because of Aspect of the Pack. Stamina Gain is also good because of serpent weave to lower cooldowns. CC bonus is useless, and AP gain kinda sucks too, because we don’t need a lot of AP, and we already get 10% from lucky blades.

Defensive:

HP is the first stat you want. You want to get HP up over 80k asap, this is pretty much how much you will need to not have mobs oneshot you all the time. After that, you can calm down and let it bring itself up. At the end, you will probably have around 100k, maybe a little less.
Deflect comes next, and you will never stop stacking deflect really. It is actually really useful in PvE now, because of the number of monsters that can oneshot you. Even if you are great at dodging, attacks will slip through, and stacking defense will not be enough for an HR. With a 50% or higher deflect chance, oneshots become far less common and can be dealt with by your soulforged. You can only consider stacking anything else when you have over 10k deflect.
As for lifesteal and defense, never stack lifesteal, we get enough from feats. Defense can be stacked when you have over 10k deflect, but I would advise only switching silverys for cruel enchants, not azure. If you really have a ton of deflect, you could also go for HP instead of defense. Rangers simply can’t stack enough defense to save them.
As for other defensive stats, none are especially good, but none are especially bad. I would say Incoming Healing and Regen are probably best because they improve our lifesteal. Also regen is nice to keep you topped up out of combat while soloing.

Boons:

As I said, I can’t take screenshots, so I’ll just outline what boons I’ve taken. For the stat boons, they are pretty changeable based on what stats you personally are missing, but what I am using is what you’ll probably end up with.

Sharandar:

T1: Dark Fey Hunter

T2: Fey Elusiveness

T3: Feywild’s Fortitude

T4: Elven Ferocity

T5: Fey Thistle

Dread Ring:

T1: Conjurer’s Gambit

T2: Evoker’s Thirst

T3: Illusion Shimmer

T4: Shadowtouch

T5: Endless Consumption (doesn’t really matter, rampaging madness and augmented thayan bastion are fine as well)

Icewind Dale:

T1: Weathering the Storm

T2: Appreciation of Warmth

T3: Rapid Thaw

T4: Cool Resolve

T5: Rousing Warmth

Tyranny of Dragons:

T1: Dragon’s Claws

T2: Dragon’s Shadow

T3: Draconic Armorbreaker

T4: Dragon’s Greed

T5: 1/3 Dragon’s Thirst, 1/3 Dragon’s Revival, 1/3 Dragon’s Fury

This gives a good mix of defense and offense.

Gear and Enchantments:

So I already outlined what stats are important for this build. But what specific gear is ideal? Well, for PvE you want to stay on the assault line all the way through; alliance assault, elemental alliance assault, elven assault, elemental elven assault. You won’t want to actually get the elemental alliance assault though. Just get the normal alliance and then start farming t2s for the elven, and upgrade that. For PvP, you can honestly take either, I have a set of elemental burning duelist that I use for PvP, but if you feel you get enough deflect from everywhere else, you can use executioner. For that, follow a similar principle; get grim first, then burning, then elemental. As for jewelry, I wear a greater imperial dragon cloak all the time. The Lostmauth set is obviously BiS, but I have a feeling the nerf hammer is coming (as soon as Cryptic feels they have made enough money from it). Also, I don’t like the artifact, strength is a useless ability score right now…there are a lot of reasons not to use it. Therefore, I use a greater imperial dragon cloak and a greater twined rope of dexterity, and choose my own artifacts. As for rings, I hate the lack of deflect on the personalized rings, and I opt not to use them in favor of a pair of elemental elven ward rings. The PvP ring set works well too for PvP; the stats are decent and 650 tenacity is no joke with all that tenacity helps now. However, I still prefer the ward rings for the massive amount of HP. If the personalized adamant rings of regeneration were called rings of deflection and gave 1576 HP and 394 deflect, they would be BiS, but they don’t, and I don’t need more power, armor penetration or recovery. Clothes are really a toss-up between shirt/pants and tunic/trousers, and mixing and matching wouldn’t hurt either. Critical is nice, but so is deflect. Really just whatever you need. If you want you can also switch a boon around and take the other option if you can get them cheaper (i.e. a guildmate has an extra pair of one specific type, or there’s a steal on the AH). Really just about price there.

Now for artifacts. I currently have a Wheel of Elements in my active slot, with a Sigil of the Scourge, Sigil of the Trickster, and Lantern of Revelation in the passive slots. These are the BiS options. The Lantern is of course free, and the Sigil of the Scourge and Sigil of the Trickster just require you to level those classes and unlock 3 boons in Dread Ring with them (or Sharandar, but Dread Ring is faster). If you can’t get a wheel, I would instead get either a Vanguard’s Banner or a Sigil of the Oathbound. Vanguard’s Banner is pretty easy to get, and it has a great active effect. Sigil of the Oathbound is also easy to get, but the active effect isn’t so good. Both give exactly the same stats except for the tertiary stat, which is Stamina Gain on the Wheel, AoE Resist on the Sigil, and Lifesteal on the Vanguard’s Banner. If Wheel gets nerfed, I don’t really know what artifact I will use in the active slot. Stamina Gain is great, but I will probably just switch the Icewind Dale boon to Stamina Gain and use my Vanguard’s Banner, it’s a great debuff and buff that scales excellently. Some guides recommend getting a Waters of Elah’zad while leveling for the active, but the stats on Lantern are just too good.

Finally, enchantments. Here are the enchantments I recommend:

Weapon Enhancement:

Plaguefire. Excellent no matter what rank, great debuff. Also, very cheap. Transcendent is really not worth it, it offers only minor improvement on Perfect. I have a Perfect, and it works great.
Terror. Similar to Plaguefire, except it scales much better. Transcendent is actually worth it. Better for PvP, but good in PvE.
Lightning. Slightly niche enchantment, but synergizes incredibly well with the whole Stormwarden AoE thing this build has going on. This build is one of the few that can actually perform well with a lesser. However, the scaling is extremely good here, and if you go lightning, get a transcendent. It’s just beautiful sometimes.
Vorpal. BiS for so long. However, it has fallen off a bit, especially for this build. If you want one, or have one, you can use it, but if you don’t, don’t waste your money. If you want, you can also push critical a bit more and sacrifice some recovery, and you can probably get the 40+% critical chance required to make this optimal. I prefer Plaguefire, but it does look sick. Of course, there’s always Terror for that.
Armor Enhancement:

Soulforged. Excellent because all you need is a lesser, making it a very cheap option. Also, in this new world of massive single hits, having a soulforged saves you a lot more than it used to. What I use, what I’ve always used, and the best option for this build.
Negation. Best option for PvP. Not very useful in PvE, because you won’t survive the hits needed to build stacks, but its okay for solo content. Only superior to soulforged anywhere if you have a greater or better, otherwise a lesser soulforged will do you just fine.
Elven Battle. Only really good if you get a Transcendent. If you do, however, this can sometimes beat Negation for PvP. Basically it makes you almost totally resistant to CC, which is pretty insane.
Offense Enchantments:

This is pretty simple. Use darks until you hit 60% armor penetration. Then use azures until you hit 35% critical chance. Then use silverys pretty much the rest of the way. If you want, you can sacrifice some of that recovery for more power or critical, especially if you’re using Vorpal, but I prefer to keep it. At least stay above 5k recovery.
Defense Enchantments:

This is even simpler. Pretty much exclusively use silverys. When you hit 10k deflect, you can start switching in radiants, but once again you will usually end up with mostly silverys. That’s okay, because with your 18 Constitution, you should have around 90k HP or more with just armor, rings, artifacts and boons. You usually don’t need much more than that.
Companions:

Ioun Stone of Might

Blink Dog

Intellect Devourer

Air Archon

Lightfoot Thief

The Ioun Stone of Might has three offense slots and the stamina regen is nice for serpent weaver. Blink Dog and Intellect Devourer give CA damage bonus, excellent if you are using Aspect of the Pack (reasons why I do). Air Archon is basically a 5% damage boost. Lightfoot Thief, while nearly impossible to get, is absolutely amazing. It is the sole reason I ever did Sword Coast Adventures. It took me at least a hundred tries to get it, probably a lot more, but from what I’ve heard, I got lucky. If you can’t get it, there are other options that are solid. I would advise Fire Archon for an average 3.5% damage boost.

Summary:

This build is not intended to bring max damage output like a proper striker such as a destroyer GWF. In the end, you will still have lower damage than other strikers. However, you will still put up respectable numbers, and you will do it while being very survivable and providing a lot of party damage bonus through debuffs and Aspect of the Pack. Most importantly, this build gives a viable alternative to trappers, and even encourages (I hope) many people to switch their build to this. I have a philosophy that the best builds are the builds that either buff the party, debuff the enemy, or provide some other way to play as a team (like AoE CC or pretty much every tank build). To me, if every person helps the other four people, then in turn that person has four people helping them, which in my experience works a lot better than every man just DPS’ing for themselves. That is the purpose of this build, and I hope you like it!
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  • jhpnwjhpnw Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 611 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    You have storm warden and pathfinder mixed together in two places. I do this to when late night Cut and paste.

    jhp
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    Interesting. I have been looking for Combat builds since Mod 6 launched but none were forthcoming. As the Combat HR is my pvp toon (I do some pve with her) some things are different. I use the Burning Duelist set with Executioner boots for both pvp and pve. Without the Duelist set I won't have nearly enough Deflect rating to make the build work. I use Holy Avenger weapon enchant for extra healing. As I am Pathfinder I slot Pathfinder's Action (which I hear is still somewhat broken) and Lone Wolf. Encounters are RoA/RoS, Fox and Plant Growth/CoA. At-wills are Rapid and Careful Attack. I hardly ever use Forest Ghost but Disruptive Shot is a mainstay (CD of about 6 seconds IIRC) so Pathfinder's Action is almost always up. For pve I use Vanguard's Banner as my active, while the other artifacts are Oghma's, Sigil of the GWF and Emblem of the Seldarine (I use the set). My survivability is high but my damage output is weak though.
    Our pain is self chosen.

    The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
  • legion10398legion10398 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    lirithiel wrote: »
    Interesting. I have been looking for Combat builds since Mod 6 launched but none were forthcoming. As the Combat HR is my pvp toon (I do some pve with her) some things are different. I use the Burning Duelist set with Executioner boots for both pvp and pve. Without the Duelist set I won't have nearly enough Deflect rating to make the build work. I use Holy Avenger weapon enchant for extra healing. As I am Pathfinder I slot Pathfinder's Action (which I hear is still somewhat broken) and Lone Wolf. Encounters are RoA/RoS, Fox and Plant Growth/CoA. At-wills are Rapid and Careful Attack. I hardly ever use Forest Ghost but Disruptive Shot is a mainstay (CD of about 6 seconds IIRC) so Pathfinder's Action is almost always up. For pve I use Vanguard's Banner as my active, while the other artifacts are Oghma's, Sigil of the GWF and Emblem of the Seldarine (I use the set). My survivability is high but my damage output is weak though.

    Yeah I do good damage thanks to Aspect of the Pack (I have since respecced and increased Cha for a noticeable damage output increase) and my feats. I've heard good things about Plant Growth/CoA, but I don't like it as combat. Just my preference. My powers are also intended for constant AoE damage, something HRs tend to lack/not focus on.
    jhpnw wrote: »
    You have storm warden and pathfinder mixed together in two places. I do this to when late night Cut and paste.

    jhp

    Can you show me where? Thanks for letting me know. I actually wrote this guide on MMOMinds, and I didn't cut-and-paste for that, so it would be nice to know where I messed up. Thanks.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    Oh yeah I was wondering whether it's a good idea to pump points into CON seeing as it only increases your base HP. My HP is currently 94k with 14 CON (including campfire buff). TheDamien explained that before Mod 6, where we had lower HP pools, that CON was far better to stack than it is now where our HP pools are so much bigger.
    Our pain is self chosen.

    The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
  • silvereldunarisilvereldunari Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    Heya, how do you get to 175% crit severity?
  • legion10398legion10398 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    Critical severity on your sheet is what is added to your normal damage (75%). Therefore, you add your normal damage of 100% and the additional 75% to get 175%. It's just what you get naturally. Vorpal gets even worse the more critical severity you have. If you really go for critical severity as a combat HR, you can easily get +150% without vorpal, for a total of 250% damage on a critical. At that point vorpal is bad unless you somehow have like 85% critical chance, and with a normal 30% (assuming you took skirmisher's gambit) it only gives like 6% more damage (versus plaguefire on average increases dps by about 12%, and feytouched if you get lucky gives you 18% more dps). Long explanation, but yeah I don't have 175%+100% critical severity. It's possible with skirmisher's gambit, but I don't like doing that. Yeah.
  • legion10398legion10398 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    lirithiel wrote: »
    Oh yeah I was wondering whether it's a good idea to pump points into CON seeing as it only increases your base HP. My HP is currently 94k with 14 CON (including campfire buff). TheDamien explained that before Mod 6, where we had lower HP pools, that CON was far better to stack than it is now where our HP pools are so much bigger.

    Yup I'll edit the build to go for Cha over Con for more damage!
  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    Why would you not use Gordon of arrows/plant growth? Gordon is a good way to initiate a fight and plant growth is the strongest melee encounter.
  • bittynationbittynation Member Posts: 138 Arc User
    you don't say which weapon enchant you use, with vorpal I would stack crit in-lieu of power as your last stat. See link to power vs crit chart for mod 6.

    http://blog.nwo-uncensored.com/mondays-bag-of-tricks-vol-4-mod-6-crit-vs-power/

    Also, I would take 2 of skirmisher's gambit and only 3 of luck blades, even 1 and 4 is a good trade off, 4 or 5 of skirmisher's gambit is to much off the crit stat in my opinion. This will add more overall DPS.

    With a CA build it's good to have companions that add to your CA stat. You could include some information about that.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    you don't say which weapon enchant you use, with vorpal I would stack crit in-lieu of power as your last stat. See link to power vs crit chart for mod 6.

    With a CA build it's good to have companions that add to your CA stat. You could include some information about that.

    The OP did on both occasions. PF, Vorpal, Lightning and Terror were all mentioned as possible options for weapon enchantments. Both Blink Dog and Intellect Devourer are on the list of companions.
    Our pain is self chosen.

    The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
  • legion10398legion10398 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    ghoulz66 wrote: »
    Why would you not use Gordon of arrows/plant growth? Gordon is a good way to initiate a fight and plant growth is the strongest melee encounter.

    I simply find them hard to use and slightly uncontrollable compared to other powers. You can use them if you want, I have 4 points in them on my actual character from extra. If you like them you can use them. Encounters don't matter much, I just like to set up a couple zones that I know will keep ticking and then slash away with clear the ground.
  • legion10398legion10398 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    you don't say which weapon enchant you use, with vorpal I would stack crit in-lieu of power as your last stat. See link to power vs crit chart for mod 6.

    http://blog.nwo-uncensored.com/mondays-bag-of-tricks-vol-4-mod-6-crit-vs-power/

    Also, I would take 2 of skirmisher's gambit and only 3 of luck blades, even 1 and 4 is a good trade off, 4 or 5 of skirmisher's gambit is to much off the crit stat in my opinion. This will add more overall DPS.

    With a CA build it's good to have companions that add to your CA stat. You could include some information about that.

    As mentioned by lirithiel, I included all that information. Also, I have seen that chart, and am very aware of how stats work in this game, including mod 6+. As for the 2-3/5 in skirmisher's gambit, I see your point, I simply don't feel the trade-off in AP gain is worth it. Some math:

    With 0/5 in Skirmisher's Gambit: 0.4*1.75=0.7
    With 1/5 in Skirmisher's Gambit: 0.38*1.85=0.703
    With 2/5 in Skirmisher's Gambit: 0.36*1.95=0.702
    With 3/5 in Skirmisher's Gambit: 0.34*2.05=0.697
    With 4/5 in Skirmisher's Gambit: 0.32*2.15=0.688
    With 5/5 in Skirmisher's Gambit: 0.3*2.25=0.675

    Basically the increases for putting 1 or 2 points in SG are marginal at best, and it decreases past that. Comparatively, with a high critical and deflect chance, each point you take out of LB is -2% AP gain. So it's still a trap.
  • bittynationbittynation Member Posts: 138 Arc User
    I posted this back in August I don't know what happened. I had a few posts just disappear.

    Anyway, I apologize I didn't see your suggested enchants and companions. Overall looks like a good build. I would change stacking of power as you suggested as your last stat to Crit as with that much crit severity you just can't stack enough.

    I would agree that with that much crit severity in PVE skirmisher's gambit is not a good stat to take, but in PVP without companions and the 40% crit reduction your crit severity is much lower and the feet now makes sense.

    Thanks for sharing your build with the community!
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    I think my stint as PF Combat has run its course. I chose that path purely for pvp but with that mode becoming worse by the day I am considering speccing back to SW Combat. However, I do not look forward to the gear changes I will have to make as a result. Would Control Resist be completely wasteful in pve content? Also how important is Crit for Combat nowadays? I remember in Mods 2 and 3 it was one of the least desired stats for Combat.
    Our pain is self chosen.

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  • tuncextuncex Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    I started leveling one hunter and read the combat talent, but I found them all very weak, do not know why it would spend as many points in that tree
  • legion10398legion10398 Member Posts: 79 Arc User

    I posted this back in August I don't know what happened. I had a few posts just disappear.

    Anyway, I apologize I didn't see your suggested enchants and companions. Overall looks like a good build. I would change stacking of power as you suggested as your last stat to Crit as with that much crit severity you just can't stack enough.

    I would agree that with that much crit severity in PVE skirmisher's gambit is not a good stat to take, but in PVP without companions and the 40% crit reduction your crit severity is much lower and the feet now makes sense.

    Thanks for sharing your build with the community!

    Yeah I guess, I don't know, I've always liked critical in general, power is probably superior though.
    lirithiel said:

    I think my stint as PF Combat has run its course. I chose that path purely for pvp but with that mode becoming worse by the day I am considering speccing back to SW Combat. However, I do not look forward to the gear changes I will have to make as a result. Would Control Resist be completely wasteful in pve content? Also how important is Crit for Combat nowadays? I remember in Mods 2 and 3 it was one of the least desired stats for Combat.

    Yeah CC Resist kinda sucks in PvE...and critical isn't super important, I just like it as a form of damage increase alongside power and recovery.
    tuncex said:

    I started leveling one hunter and read the combat talent, but I found them all very weak, do not know why it would spend as many points in that tree

    Well you must choose one tree simply because the capstone feats are too good to ignore. I personally like combat because it fits my playstyle well, and I've found a way to make it good, but many people prefer trapper. Also some things that I thought were weak when I first started playing turned out to be fantastic and mainstays of my build (like lifesteal, piercing damage versus normal damage, and CA damage).
  • azurerogue1824azurerogue1824 Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    Just wanted to post here and let you know that after I saw your build I decided to dust off my old level 40-something HR that I made over a year ago (and then I took a break from NW all-together for almost a year). I've been having a lot of fun with the combat build and just wanted to thank you for sharing. It might not be as OP as the trapper builds currently running everywhere but I find it to be a lot more fun and engaging.

  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    Crit is most certainly important so I don't why people disregard that. Your most powerful attacks have long cooldowns and you do want them to hit as hard as possible. You can rely on flurry to take down a single target quickly, but a crit plant growth is clutch vs a large group.

    I gave up battlecrazed and went for longshot and the 5% ranged crit. I needed some extra lifesteal from gear, but it's a nice boost for ranged powers especially rain of arrows. Had 50% crit in ranged stance so I could make some use out of a perfect vorpal despite it doing nothing for the capstone.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    I recently respecced my boons, replacing the healing ones in Shar and DR with damage ones in Tier 4 after reading @legion's post and I'm glad that I did. The extra damage is welcome and needed while the Lifesteal feats mean I don't miss the extra heals from the 2 swapped boons. I haven't spent much time in WoD or IWD but doing the Need for Mead daily I barely drop below 50% HP throughout. My Archer finds it much harder though. With the current state of pvp I'm not sure whether I should switch back to SW on my Combat HR as I have gotten comfortable with PF even in pve content, which I'm doing more and more these days.
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  • azurerogue1824azurerogue1824 Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    ghoulz66 said:

    Crit is most certainly important so I don't why people disregard that. Your most powerful attacks have long cooldowns and you do want them to hit as hard as possible. You can rely on flurry to take down a single target quickly, but a crit plant growth is clutch vs a large group.

    I gave up battlecrazed and went for longshot and the 5% ranged crit. I needed some extra lifesteal from gear, but it's a nice boost for ranged powers especially rain of arrows. Had 50% crit in ranged stance so I could make some use out of a perfect vorpal despite it doing nothing for the capstone.

    I understand that argument, but obviously it sort of depends on the weapon enchantment you go for. If you have any sort of vorpal (or anything the pushes your crit severity over 100%) you're obviously better served by dumping stats into critical strike than, say, power. But if you're not dealing at least 100% bonus damage on criticals anyways you're better off pumping power since the diminishing-returns formula for +damage from power and +crit chance from critical strike appear to be identical (e.g. for any amount of stat points invested you get an equivalent +% change to crit or +% damage from the two stats).

    As someone who enjoys finally having a character I don't feel compelled to use Vorpal on (my main is a GWF), I enjoy using the Lightning Enchant and thus I feel better served by just buffing my overall +% damage than trying to boost my chance to inflict relatively small bonus damage from crits.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    ghoulz66 said:

    Crit is most certainly important so I don't why people disregard that. Your most powerful attacks have long cooldowns and you do want them to hit as hard as possible. You can rely on flurry to take down a single target quickly, but a crit plant growth is clutch vs a large group.

    While my Wisdom stat is high (25) I had to choose between Deflect and Crit for my boons and the former won out on every occasion. My gear choice (Elemental Duelist) also made stacking crit difficult as I opted for ArP and Deflect. Because of this, my stat priority is: ArP, Deflect, Power, the rest. Also I use all six encounters in my rotation so long CDs isn't much of an issue for me.

    I'm still deciding whether to focus on pve with this toon again due to the state of pvp atm. Selecting PF was necessary for pvp but I would probably yield more damage as SW especially on trash in pve. Not sure about bosses though.
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    if i had to build a combat hr i would totally go for power/armor pen, lifesteal and feytouch
    0 crit.
    perfect for pvp, less effective in pve where however the competition is already 0 if your choice is the combat tree.
    there is always place for some crit with an augmented companion.

    my test also shows that crit damage with combat advantage is reduced by your CHA
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    lirithiel said:

    ghoulz66 said:

    Crit is most certainly important so I don't why people disregard that. Your most powerful attacks have long cooldowns and you do want them to hit as hard as possible. You can rely on flurry to take down a single target quickly, but a crit plant growth is clutch vs a large group.

    While my Wisdom stat is high (25) I had to choose between Deflect and Crit for my boons and the former won out on every occasion. My gear choice (Elemental Duelist) also made stacking crit difficult as I opted for ArP and Deflect. Because of this, my stat priority is: ArP, Deflect, Power, the rest. Also I use all six encounters in my rotation so long CDs isn't much of an issue for me.
    rayrdan said:

    if i had to build a combat hr i would totally go for power/armor pen, lifesteal and feytouch
    0 crit.
    perfect for pvp, less effective in pve where however the competition is already 0 if your choice is the combat tree.
    there is always place for some crit with an augmented companion.

    Well if I was lucky enough to get 2 x Ring of the Loyal Avenger, my crit would be boosted by roughly 1,300, which would put my crit chance at about 30%. That doesn't come close to my Archer with his 73% crit chance.
    rayrdan said:

    my test also shows that crit damage with combat advantage is reduced by your CHA

    Do you mean your crit is being subtracted by the amount WIS gives you instead of added?
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    lirithiel said:

    lirithiel said:

    ghoulz66 said:

    Crit is most certainly important so I don't why people disregard that. Your most powerful attacks have long cooldowns and you do want them to hit as hard as possible. You can rely on flurry to take down a single target quickly, but a crit plant growth is clutch vs a large group.

    While my Wisdom stat is high (25) I had to choose between Deflect and Crit for my boons and the former won out on every occasion. My gear choice (Elemental Duelist) also made stacking crit difficult as I opted for ArP and Deflect. Because of this, my stat priority is: ArP, Deflect, Power, the rest. Also I use all six encounters in my rotation so long CDs isn't much of an issue for me.
    rayrdan said:

    if i had to build a combat hr i would totally go for power/armor pen, lifesteal and feytouch
    0 crit.
    perfect for pvp, less effective in pve where however the competition is already 0 if your choice is the combat tree.
    there is always place for some crit with an augmented companion.

    Well if I was lucky enough to get 2 x Ring of the Loyal Avenger, my crit would be boosted by roughly 1,300, which would put my crit chance at about 30%. That doesn't come close to my Archer with his 73% crit chance.
    rayrdan said:

    my test also shows that crit damage with combat advantage is reduced by your CHA

    Do you mean your crit is being subtracted by the amount WIS gives you instead of added?
    i mean on my trickster the more CHA i have the more my critical damage goes down (not the actual crit % ).
    in other words, you crit the same but for less
  • whateffortwhateffort Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    Hi folks, I have a few questions if you guys don't mind answering them for me it'd be greatly appreciated. I've always loved playing an Archer/Ranger Class, played them in WoW, MapleStory, Rohan:Blood Feud, Dragon's Nest and many many other MMORPG's, it's just a class I've always absolutely loved to play. I mainly play MMO's to PvP which is why I'm a bit confused as to how i should spec my Hunter Ranger, he is currently Combat but I've heard Combat has fallen off since Mod6. I want to ask you if you know what's best for the PvPing Path (Stormwarden) or (Pathfinder) and if being a Trapper is the best PvP Spec to play while PvPing. I don't mind learning the class all over again that is fine with me haha. I'm just a little confused and could use some guidance.

    Thank you for your time!
  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User

    Hi folks, I have a few questions if you guys don't mind answering them for me it'd be greatly appreciated. I've always loved playing an Archer/Ranger Class, played them in WoW, MapleStory, Rohan:Blood Feud, Dragon's Nest and many many other MMORPG's, it's just a class I've always absolutely loved to play. I mainly play MMO's to PvP which is why I'm a bit confused as to how i should spec my Hunter Ranger, he is currently Combat but I've heard Combat has fallen off since Mod6. I want to ask you if you know what's best for the PvPing Path (Stormwarden) or (Pathfinder) and if being a Trapper is the best PvP Spec to play while PvPing. I don't mind learning the class all over again that is fine with me haha. I'm just a little confused and could use some guidance.

    Thank you for your time!

    Pathfinder Trapper is prettymuch mandatory for pvp sadly. You'll be eaten alive any other way. Control them to death before they do it to you:(
  • blazious11blazious11 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 331 Arc User
    i mean on my trickster the more CHA i have the more my critical damage goes down (not the actual crit % ).
    in other words, you crit the same but for less
    Any knowledge about that other classes (My CW?) works the same?
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  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    So I finally respecced back to SW on my Combat HR and I am absolutely loving it! I burn through mobs so fast with CtG, I don't even have time to use my ranged abilities as I did with Pathfinder. I haven't even got the CtG ability unlocked on my new MH yet :p Fun times!
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  • mayday#2798 mayday Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    Hello! very good guide, but you are wrong about Gambit. let's maths:
    base attac dmg = 100, you hit your foe once per sec => DPS, base= 100dmgps.
    you have a crit chans of 30%=0.3 of your hits are crit.
    you have 0.75 crit severity.
    so:
    your DMG per sec with crits will be: 0.7*100 + 0.3*100*(1+0.75), where 0.7 is the amount of non crit hits. =>
    if: k=crit chance
    ks= crit severity
    A= base dps
    (without crits, or with k=0) then:
    Total DPS (with crits) is:
    A*(1-k)+A*k*(1+ks)
    where: A*(1-k) is DPS you deal without crits at all.
    A*k*(1+ks) is DPS dealed only by crit hits.

    Now we will make the formula simplier:
    TDPS= A*(1-k)+A*k*(1+ks) = A*[ (1-k) + k(1+ks) ] = A*(1-k+k+k*ks) = A*(1+k*ks), or
    TDPS= A*Q, where Q= (1+k*ks)

    the only thing that differs when we up gambit is k and ks, so Q differs too.

    Some numbers:

    1) 30% crit chance, 75% crit severity.
    without gambit: Q=(1+0.3*0.75)=1.225
    With gambit: Q=(1+(0.3-0.1)*(0.75+0.5)=1.25
    Gambit adds 2.04% to DPS

    2) Half-Orc, same stats
    without gambit: Q=(1+0.3*0.8)=1.24
    with gambit: Q=(1+0.2*1.3)=1.26
    Gambit adds 1.61% to DPS

    3) 50% crit, 75% severity.
    without: Q=(1+0.5*0.75)=1.35
    with: Q=(1+0.4*1.25)=1.5
    Gambit adds 11.11% to DPS

    4) 50% crit, vorpal perfect.
    without: Q=(1+0.5*1.25)=1.625
    with: Q=(1+0.4*1.75)=1.7
    Gambit adds 4.61% to DPS

    5) 70% crit, vorpal perfect
    without, Q=1.875
    with gambit Q=2.05
    Gambit adds 9.33% to DPS

    6) 70% crit, 75% crit severity
    without Gambit Q=1.525
    with Gambit Q=1.75
    Gambit adds 14.75% to DPS


    7) 30% crit, 75% crit severity, 1lvl Gambit
    Q1= 1.225
    Q2= 1.238
    Gambit adds 1.06% to DPS

    Conclusion: Only max lvl Gambit, without any vorpal is effective. Ande the more crit you have, the more DPS Gambit adds toward nonGambit build. But, i barely can find what feat to sacrifice for gambit. I think Serpent Weave or Lucky Blades can be sacrificed.
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