Unfortunately, threads phrased like this aren't helpful. Instead of focusing only on the problem ("I just die all the time"), focus on what possible solutions to your issue could be. Why are you dying all the time? What gear do you have? What do you suggest be done to alleviate the problem? Things like this can go a long way towards improving the game.
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It's pretty general, but all too common of a sentiment. The developers must already know what he is referring to. They can't possibly be that daft... To put it simply, mod 6 brought the pain!!!
Well, you didn't just automatically close down the thread, so that's something I guess. I agree with the posters above, the development team knows exactly what's wrong with this game. They've been told, in detail, with graphs and everything else, what's going on in Neverwinter. Some pretty smart people have even put in step by step methods that would turn things around...
And pretty much nothings been done. Now I know change doesn't happen overnight, but Mod 6 has been out for awhile and there are thousands of posts in the forums going back months to say that things haven't been right. So yeah, there it is in a nutshell.
I dont know, I just started and the game doesn't seem hard at all. Maybe it's because I didn't get used to the way it was before, maybe it's because I play different types of games, or maybe it's because I'm not high enough level yet. Everything but bosses seem pretty soloable so far *shrugs*
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he has under 1k item level just hit level 70 and the game is tearing him a new one in all the new zones because the enemy HP is stupid high and the damage he can deal is too low for him to be able to kill them before they kill him? You know the same thing that is in every thread.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he has under 1k item level just hit level 70 and the game is tearing him a new one in all the new zones because the enemy HP is stupid high and the damage he can deal is too low for him to be able to kill them before they kill him? You know the same thing that is in every thread.
I would have said more along the lines of "just came back, thought their BIS level 60 epic set would be good enough, and walked into WoD and got the mother of all reality checks."
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he has under 1k item level just hit level 70 and the game is tearing him a new one in all the new zones because the enemy HP is stupid high and the damage he can deal is too low for him to be able to kill them before they kill him? You know the same thing that is in every thread.
I would have said more along the lines of "just came back, thought their BIS level 60 epic set would be good enough, and walked into WoD and got the mother of all reality checks."
Nah, some classes are just weak. I got a warlock alt lvl70 with around 1.8k item lvl and she have a lot of problems with dailies in Dread Ring. While my Paladin could there at lvl60 with green items and faceroll it.
After having not stepped foot in Sharandar for a few weeks after getting all my Boons, I went into Sharandar to "farm" fireworks on a CW with 2.2k ilvl basically instead of one shotting them like I had been they took multiple rotations, which left a sour taste in my mouth. So I went to Neverdeath to farm easy mobs. I don't even want to go to IWD or WoD I suspect it will be much worse...
Have you actually tried stacking LS and running with at least two AoEs on your warlock?
The class practically screams "stack LS on me".
It's a DPS class with:
a) no dodge
b) constitution as essentially a primary stat
c) multiple feats that improve/benefit LS
d) a background that can be summed up as "I fight by stealing the life force/souls of my enemies"
There's a reason some well-geared "squishy" classes with a good LS setup are face tanking even IWD mobs, atm. For a warlock to actually skip LS just because some random whiner convinced him/her that the stat is worthless is just sad. LS stacking using feats/blue 70 AH gear/rank 5 darks/artifacts will, at the very least, significantly improve your newly 70's quality of life versus Shara/DL mobs. IWD/WoD would be stretching it unless you're just that good.
Oh, and get a defender companion. Consider that the blue ones can significantly improve your chances against the first two elol bosses. White ones can buy you precious seconds against PvE mobs.
Not to mention defender companion gear is dirt cheap. You could probably get away with using those on an AoE companion, instead of picking a straight defender.
CWs have it easy except for specific mobs.
The control-focused ones in particular can just aggro multiple mob groups to make up for the reduced kill rate and perma-stun/daze/freeze everything (yes, wisdom/control bonus effect is now VERY noticeable, and is all the difference between an Arcane Singularity that can actually pull mobs versus a lovely black hole animation that does nothing).
The glass cannon ones require more skilled hands or just better gear to succeed. That's actually a good thing, with most classes you need both + sound planning if you start from scratch.
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We are not all immortal Paladins. A Paladin can probably solo a T2 given enough time.
its same for 1.6k gwf and 1.8k cw, and that was before damage nerf, so it is easier now, Laza soloed biggrin @ 1k ilvl just to show qqers like you that its possible
Have you actually tried stacking LS and running with at least two AoEs on your warlock?
The class practically screams "stack LS on me".
It's a DPS class with:
a) no dodge
b) constitution as essentially a primary stat
c) multiple feats that improve/benefit LS
d) a background that can be summed up as "I fight by stealing the life force/souls of my enemies"
There's a reason some well-geared "squishy" classes with a good LS setup are face tanking even IWD mobs, atm. For a warlock to actually skip LS just because some random whiner convinced him/her that the stat is worthless is just sad. LS stacking using feats/blue 70 AH gear/rank 5 darks/artifacts will, at the very least, significantly improve your newly 70's quality of life versus Shara/DL mobs. IWD/WoD would be stretching it unless you're just that good.
Oh, and get a defender companion. Consider that the blue ones can significantly improve your chances against the first two elol bosses. White ones can buy you precious seconds against PvE mobs.
Not to mention defender companion gear is dirt cheap. You could probably get away with using those on an AoE companion, instead of picking a straight defender.
CWs have it easy except for specific mobs.
The control-focused ones in particular can just aggro multiple mob groups to make up for the reduced kill rate and perma-stun/daze/freeze everything (yes, wisdom/control bonus effect is now VERY noticeable, and is all the difference between an Arcane Singularity that can actually pull mobs versus a lovely black hole animation that does nothing).
The glass cannon ones require more skilled hands or just better gear to succeed. That's actually a good thing, with most classes you need both + sound planning if you start from scratch.
LOL
Listen to yourself!!!
What is LS? What is AoEs? IWD?
I came to this game to kill monsters not to learn such an outrageous amount of effects, features, or whatever. If I cannot have fun without learning and tweaking my characters in such "fine" way there is something really wrong.
And before you judge me just listen. I came to the game, of course I found it awesome (GOW and WOW have a son, I thought). So I picked up the coolest class I could find and ohh, I'm already level 60, is there something wrong?? After all I did all the quests, all the zones and I always got the best gear I could find/afford, I even tried to make sense of the enchants and have a balanced char (probably not in your opinion), but the point is I was in Sharandar and I was doing fine, still having fun and expectant of the other level 60 areas and of the new content.
Then I was invited to the closed beta for other game, so I was unable to get back for months, besides I think the last time I played was just before the new chapter, so the download intimidated me a couple of times and decided to delay it. But I'm finally here just to find that level 60 areas are now 70. That's incredibly irrational. Your level gets upped artificially in those areas but still I can just marginally defeat the weakest monsters.
I've browsed the news and forums, I see all the rage but in no place I've found an official position or help offered for the casual players like me. What is a player like me supposed to do? Where should I go? What should I get?
Why should I do anything at all if I was already at certain level and progressing thru a campaign?
I believe these are all fair questions but still I'm willing to try if somebody provides a guide of how to do the transition to the new game play style and if after all I can still have fun in here.
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So you leveled to 60 without knowing about Lifesteal (LS), Area of Effect (AoE) or Icewind Dale (IWD)?
This reminds me of the time I was doing dailies in Sharandar and someone randomly asked what the big orange numbers were supposed to mean.
He genuinely didn't know.
Long story short, stack Lifesteal. You can get LS from cheap blue gear (auction house), dark enchantments (rank 5s are common), artifacts, boons and your feats. And for the record, that part was addressed to warlocks.
The game has changed. It's not irrational, and based on cases like yours the change was badly needed. T2s are another story, but given your position I wouldn't worry about those for a long, long time. The game's a lot simpler when your end goal is to be able to (quickly) solo IWD/WoD.
Your options should be pretty straightforward. There should be a notice at the lower right of the screen telling you what to do, and PE zone chat is just full of people advertising guilds (many of which cater to new players). Feel free to join any of them.
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Thank you. I know you have good intentions but I don't want to join a Guild. Is not my objective in this game. What do you mean by looking at the lower right? What I have there is my current quests, which I cannot longer complete, despite having no problem with them before my recess from the game. Is Sharandar currently too high for my level? I always thought that was the first area to go after one completed the regular quests from levels 1 to 59.
What I'm currently weighing is to delete my other char that is currently at level 25 and star all over, then get back to my main after I figure the new gear levels and other things that seem to have changed.
Anyway, thanks again for trying to help.
I would ignore Sharandar/the Dread Ring until you get to 70. You could group with people if you want to start working on your boons before 70, but I don't think that's something you'd want.
Leveling a character from scratch would certainly help. Since you're obviously just here to have fun, your end game is to solo Icewind Dale/The Well of Dragons. That's quite achievable once you have a better understanding of the new system.
I would suggest stacking critical and lifesteal on your gear, since potions are nowhere near as strong as they used to be. I'd also suggest getting a healer or defender/tank companion.
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So at end game there is no Lifesteal on armor, the amount you need to make a difference is basically non-existent unless you put everything you can into lifesteal and in the end you just do gimp dps and you still die because enemies hit more than you can take back.
Got a Gf and a Wizard to 70. Started a paladin, because i didnt have one in my leadership army. Came to the conclusion after hitting 61 , that the game is balanced around paladins. Had no issue with shar or dread ring at 60 in quest greens and some dropped blues on my paladin, yet both the other characters had to wait until much higher level to restart thier dalies there. I just did arcane reservoir on my pally, and basically it felt like it used to on my gf before i left the game ( left during iwd mod)
the true test for me though was Ghost stories. I could not, without a death or 3, make it through on my wizard or gf at 60 - around 68 or so. (as a disclaimer , i am simply an average player, no special skill or understanding) My paladin had some issues, on the second spirit, and the boss, but never died and finished.....at 60 with green and blue level 55-58 armor.
As a side note, i noticed that when i got up-leveled on my paladin at 60 , my hp went from 50k to 103k , yet when i got upleveled at 61 i went from 59k to 74k a substantial loss in hp there.
Seems to me, just by my not so scientific observation, that mod6 and all it's issues revolve around the paladin.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,403Arc User
We the normal people are the majority! while the wallet warrior (that think they are good but really suck at the game, thats why they NEED to buy) and the loser 40 hours a weekers are the minority.
We the normal people demand the game go back to the way it was. Some people couldnt do dungeons before and YOU PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN DO IT NOW? get your head out of your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
i hope this game shuts down soon.
I could not do a lot of thing in the beginning of mod 5. I could do that months before mod 6 hit.
I could not do a lot of thing when mod 6 hit. I can do that now. Slowly, step by step, my character (a GWF) is closer to his shape in the end of mod 5 and in some situation, actually better. I think my character can do about 95% of what he could do in the end of mod 5 now.
No, I have never paid any money to this game.
No, I don't have r10 (the best is r8), only one Artifact reached Legendary in last 2xRP and I don't have BiS gear (only one piece of new T1 gear).
I am not a good player and I think a good player can use my character to do a lot of things better than I am.
I am just patient and move forward in baby steps.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,403Arc User
^ GWF is the highest dps class in the game, does 50% more than any other dps so no wonder you could do it. Try it with SW smart a.ss.
Well, this is how it works for me. When my character goes no where, I try another one.
When my TR went no where in mod 4, I made a SW.
When my SW went no where in mod 5, I made a GWF.
When my GWF was going no where in mod 5, I made a DC.
When my DC goes no where, I made a HR.
Then, mod 6 hit. I went back to GWF.
Right now, GWF is going somewhere. When he cannot go further, I will see what I will do next. May be I will make an OP.
When there is an issue, either deal with it or avoid it. One way or the other, I still have fun.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
The problem isnt that life steal isnt useful.. or that anyother stat isnt.. its boils down , to you need a fairly high ilevel to get both lifesteal and arp and power and crit.. you cant just dump one thing for another. But once you get a higher i level.. its not quite as useful, its pretty cycical in its nature.
For some classes lifesteal just doesnt do enough to warrant going out of your way to stack it.. some other classes, sure.
You can say, just get your SW lifesteal.. but a 1.8k SW aint going to be having more then a couple k of it, its not that they are trying to avoid it, its that they dont have enough stats to go around.
The game is much harder on a low geared sw and a low geared hr , then it is on any other class.. well maybe tr thats low as well, but at least they have some control now.
SW needs some help, Arms of Hadar is a solution though.. if they didnt make it so bad.. double the length and increase the frontal cone, so when pulling its a 100% usable solution for SWs.
Why they made the skill so bad is beyond me.
HRs.. I dont know .. I did ok, mine is only at 2kish give or take, maybe like 2.4k now and as a trapper, takes me a while to kill things, but I can perma daze mob crowds ok. HR could use a slight dps uptick as well, maybe take some control away for some more damage.
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And pretty much nothings been done. Now I know change doesn't happen overnight, but Mod 6 has been out for awhile and there are thousands of posts in the forums going back months to say that things haven't been right. So yeah, there it is in a nutshell.
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I would have said more along the lines of "just came back, thought their BIS level 60 epic set would be good enough, and walked into WoD and got the mother of all reality checks."
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Nah, some classes are just weak. I got a warlock alt lvl70 with around 1.8k item lvl and she have a lot of problems with dailies in Dread Ring. While my Paladin could there at lvl60 with green items and faceroll it.
The class practically screams "stack LS on me".
It's a DPS class with:
a) no dodge
b) constitution as essentially a primary stat
c) multiple feats that improve/benefit LS
d) a background that can be summed up as "I fight by stealing the life force/souls of my enemies"
There's a reason some well-geared "squishy" classes with a good LS setup are face tanking even IWD mobs, atm. For a warlock to actually skip LS just because some random whiner convinced him/her that the stat is worthless is just sad. LS stacking using feats/blue 70 AH gear/rank 5 darks/artifacts will, at the very least, significantly improve your newly 70's quality of life versus Shara/DL mobs. IWD/WoD would be stretching it unless you're just that good.
Oh, and get a defender companion. Consider that the blue ones can significantly improve your chances against the first two elol bosses. White ones can buy you precious seconds against PvE mobs.
Not to mention defender companion gear is dirt cheap. You could probably get away with using those on an AoE companion, instead of picking a straight defender.
CWs have it easy except for specific mobs.
The control-focused ones in particular can just aggro multiple mob groups to make up for the reduced kill rate and perma-stun/daze/freeze everything (yes, wisdom/control bonus effect is now VERY noticeable, and is all the difference between an Arcane Singularity that can actually pull mobs versus a lovely black hole animation that does nothing).
The glass cannon ones require more skilled hands or just better gear to succeed. That's actually a good thing, with most classes you need both + sound planning if you start from scratch.
its same for 1.6k gwf and 1.8k cw, and that was before damage nerf, so it is easier now, Laza soloed biggrin @ 1k ilvl just to show qqers like you that its possible
LOL
Listen to yourself!!!
What is LS? What is AoEs? IWD?
I came to this game to kill monsters not to learn such an outrageous amount of effects, features, or whatever. If I cannot have fun without learning and tweaking my characters in such "fine" way there is something really wrong.
And before you judge me just listen. I came to the game, of course I found it awesome (GOW and WOW have a son, I thought). So I picked up the coolest class I could find and ohh, I'm already level 60, is there something wrong?? After all I did all the quests, all the zones and I always got the best gear I could find/afford, I even tried to make sense of the enchants and have a balanced char (probably not in your opinion), but the point is I was in Sharandar and I was doing fine, still having fun and expectant of the other level 60 areas and of the new content.
Then I was invited to the closed beta for other game, so I was unable to get back for months, besides I think the last time I played was just before the new chapter, so the download intimidated me a couple of times and decided to delay it. But I'm finally here just to find that level 60 areas are now 70. That's incredibly irrational. Your level gets upped artificially in those areas but still I can just marginally defeat the weakest monsters.
I've browsed the news and forums, I see all the rage but in no place I've found an official position or help offered for the casual players like me. What is a player like me supposed to do? Where should I go? What should I get?
Why should I do anything at all if I was already at certain level and progressing thru a campaign?
I believe these are all fair questions but still I'm willing to try if somebody provides a guide of how to do the transition to the new game play style and if after all I can still have fun in here.
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This reminds me of the time I was doing dailies in Sharandar and someone randomly asked what the big orange numbers were supposed to mean.
He genuinely didn't know.
Long story short, stack Lifesteal. You can get LS from cheap blue gear (auction house), dark enchantments (rank 5s are common), artifacts, boons and your feats. And for the record, that part was addressed to warlocks.
The game has changed. It's not irrational, and based on cases like yours the change was badly needed. T2s are another story, but given your position I wouldn't worry about those for a long, long time. The game's a lot simpler when your end goal is to be able to (quickly) solo IWD/WoD.
Your options should be pretty straightforward. There should be a notice at the lower right of the screen telling you what to do, and PE zone chat is just full of people advertising guilds (many of which cater to new players). Feel free to join any of them.
Thank you. I know you have good intentions but I don't want to join a Guild. Is not my objective in this game. What do you mean by looking at the lower right? What I have there is my current quests, which I cannot longer complete, despite having no problem with them before my recess from the game. Is Sharandar currently too high for my level? I always thought that was the first area to go after one completed the regular quests from levels 1 to 59.
What I'm currently weighing is to delete my other char that is currently at level 25 and star all over, then get back to my main after I figure the new gear levels and other things that seem to have changed.
Anyway, thanks again for trying to help.
Leveling a character from scratch would certainly help. Since you're obviously just here to have fun, your end game is to solo Icewind Dale/The Well of Dragons. That's quite achievable once you have a better understanding of the new system.
I would suggest stacking critical and lifesteal on your gear, since potions are nowhere near as strong as they used to be. I'd also suggest getting a healer or defender/tank companion.
the true test for me though was Ghost stories. I could not, without a death or 3, make it through on my wizard or gf at 60 - around 68 or so. (as a disclaimer , i am simply an average player, no special skill or understanding) My paladin had some issues, on the second spirit, and the boss, but never died and finished.....at 60 with green and blue level 55-58 armor.
As a side note, i noticed that when i got up-leveled on my paladin at 60 , my hp went from 50k to 103k , yet when i got upleveled at 61 i went from 59k to 74k a substantial loss in hp there.
Seems to me, just by my not so scientific observation, that mod6 and all it's issues revolve around the paladin.
I could not do a lot of thing in the beginning of mod 5. I could do that months before mod 6 hit.
I could not do a lot of thing when mod 6 hit. I can do that now. Slowly, step by step, my character (a GWF) is closer to his shape in the end of mod 5 and in some situation, actually better. I think my character can do about 95% of what he could do in the end of mod 5 now.
No, I have never paid any money to this game.
No, I don't have r10 (the best is r8), only one Artifact reached Legendary in last 2xRP and I don't have BiS gear (only one piece of new T1 gear).
I am not a good player and I think a good player can use my character to do a lot of things better than I am.
I am just patient and move forward in baby steps.
Well, this is how it works for me. When my character goes no where, I try another one.
When my TR went no where in mod 4, I made a SW.
When my SW went no where in mod 5, I made a GWF.
When my GWF was going no where in mod 5, I made a DC.
When my DC goes no where, I made a HR.
Then, mod 6 hit. I went back to GWF.
Right now, GWF is going somewhere. When he cannot go further, I will see what I will do next. May be I will make an OP.
When there is an issue, either deal with it or avoid it. One way or the other, I still have fun.
For some classes lifesteal just doesnt do enough to warrant going out of your way to stack it.. some other classes, sure.
You can say, just get your SW lifesteal.. but a 1.8k SW aint going to be having more then a couple k of it, its not that they are trying to avoid it, its that they dont have enough stats to go around.
The game is much harder on a low geared sw and a low geared hr , then it is on any other class.. well maybe tr thats low as well, but at least they have some control now.
SW needs some help, Arms of Hadar is a solution though.. if they didnt make it so bad.. double the length and increase the frontal cone, so when pulling its a 100% usable solution for SWs.
Why they made the skill so bad is beyond me.
HRs.. I dont know .. I did ok, mine is only at 2kish give or take, maybe like 2.4k now and as a trapper, takes me a while to kill things, but I can perma daze mob crowds ok. HR could use a slight dps uptick as well, maybe take some control away for some more damage.