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thecoop999
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Can people please do the sensible thing and run the dragons in well of dragons from green to black.
Its the optimal route as you dont have to run across the big empty top of the map which wastes a lot of time.
Not everyone has rare or epic mounts to keep up.
Chat in area today was full of people saying "i googled it! start with white and end on red!" which yes is the first google result but they obviously didnt even read all of it because that post was from months ago when the event was glitched and you had to kill the red dragon last or you missed out on rewards as the other dragons would despawn after the red dragon was killed.
Its the optimal route as you dont have to run across the big empty top of the map which wastes a lot of time.
Not everyone has rare or epic mounts to keep up.
Chat in area today was full of people saying "i googled it! start with white and end on red!" which yes is the first google result but they obviously didnt even read all of it because that post was from months ago when the event was glitched and you had to kill the red dragon last or you missed out on rewards as the other dragons would despawn after the red dragon was killed.
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have fun fighting by yourself..
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But the rings are behind the Black spawn, and the Temple is at 12 o'clock...
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Green to Black is just a simple method. There's no increase in drop chance or loot quality from which dragon you start on.
The deciding factor (in my experience) is how each dragon is killed. You can finish each dragon by either getting "Great Success" or "Encounter Complete."
To date I have pulled two belts and a cloak from the Heralds run but never from any thing but great success results. Even if you don't get an artifact your loot is increased both in quality and quantity.
This is also true of the Daily Dragons you get from Boward out of the Enclave.
The trick is to have a minimal group fighting the dragon, say no less than 8 but no more than 12 to 15. Each dragon should take about 1:30 to take out and it can be done without 35 people melting each one. My artifacts are proof of this.
The real confusion comes from old posts about a glitch that occurred on the PC version that would despawn the dragons if you didn't go white first and end with red.
Which dragon you start with has precisely nothing to do with drop chance/rate. It's all preference.
Just do everyone a favour and make sure you're not taking away a success from them as well as from yourself because you started on a different dragon.
Hope this helps.
P.S. Open your successes before the timer ends.
P.S.S. Running to the Thayan Portal does nothing.
I'm rarely by myself and if in zone will start with the zerg. The only time I fought a dragon solo yesterday was starting at green, I quit with 2 mins left and 1/2 health on dragon and the Red dragon was the only dead one in the instance. Go figure.
I'm just sick of the junk math and logic used to justify the green start. Using their own "logic" starting at black and running counterclockwise is more efficient. They fail to include travel time to the start point as part of the "optimum" path. The "optimum" path is 30 sec shorter for a 110% speed mount. Travel time to green can easily counteract that advantage in terms of the players time.
Summary, taking into account travel time to start the run, for 1/2 the players currently in zone starting at green is more efficient than starting at white (I'll admit this assumes an even player distribution over the map) for the other half white would be.
For anyone zone in at the campfire, starting at white is more time efficient that traveling to green. Start at white end at red, back to campfire. Negates the 30 sec shorter route.
For anyone coming from another zone, travel from the entrance to White is more efficient. Start at white, end at red, back to entrance/exit. Negates the 30 sec shorter route.
Conclusion starting at green (or black counterclockwise) is a shorter loot route, but for most players will take more of their playing time (from the time they begin travel to the dragon herald event and leave to whatever they want to do next) than starting at White. To me, that's not "optimal".
The advantage will change somewhat to the benefit of the green proponents when Tiamat goes live and will shift back in favor of white as particpation in Tiamat drops and more people zone in or campfire spawn.
The zerg is going to do what the zerg will do.
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You're thinking about the overall time but when people say green to black is most efficient they are only looking at the time during the 10 minute counter. The time it takes to get from where ever to green does not matter as you should be waiting at green for it to spawn anyway. The only time that matters is within that 10 minutes.
The travel time between dragons is less by going clockwise from green. Any other path involves a longer time from black to green. Having been in some zergs, they need every second they can manage to dps the dragons.
Of course, sticking to a clockwise rotation is still better than what I've heard a few times: "go in the order of the torches." I think it was white, blue, red, green, black or something like that. It involved crisscrossing the map after each kill.
I get that and I agree that it is 30 sec shorter than white to red with a 110 % mount. But, we'll have to disagree on the rest. If they want to continue saying optimal run or optimal dragon run rather than shortest route, an optimal run needs to include all the factors, not just the time between dragons. The time getting to/leaving the event is part of that, time sitting waiting, etc
Even if they called it an optimal loot run, the size of zerg, player class and mount speed play a big factor in an optimal loot run, even more than the route. Maybe I'm arguing semantics, claiming something is "optimal" based on one factor just doesn't sit well with me. Call it the shortest route and the debate is over, because that is a fact. Call it optimal, you need more evidence.
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No need to be snide about it. Besides, your post in no way helped the discussion. You only mentioned two major points. One being that great successes are better than normal successes (common knowledge by now) this in no way speaks to how optimal the route is.
The other was about the PC glitch which was already included in the OP. Again, not helpful. No one likes attitude, least of all on the internet.
Alright. Back on topic.
I can see why most would say the green to black is the best route as it does look to be so given all of your other options. Either way I'd say the most optimal run would be the one that the majority tends to use, even if it isn't the best one on paper.
The more people that follow the same run the better for everyone. And since the green to black is already accepted by most as the best solution to farming the events I'd say it's the optimal option to go with when you hop into a server even if it's not true. Otherwise you find your group soloing a dragon while everyone else picks up kills.
If you ask me I say lets just stick with green to black since it's already taken off by the majority. Even if there is a better option, it will be insignificant for most.
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Not sure who you were replying to, but for the record I agree with your post. There are many more things besides route that contribute to an optimal run. As a DC, I look for a lower pop instance.
But I disagree with your idea about taking a success away from someone. You are not, you are giving a better chance to yourself. Running with an overpopulated zerg (40 players in the instance) is what removes success chances.
Running with a reasonable pop zerg is most efficient. If you come late, bad idea to chase the zerg. Pick a dragon, start, let the zerg catch you.
The only reason I am comparing to starting at white is that it is the only quantitative means to compare the difference. It was the easiest way to disprove the "optimal" run. I have clearly said elsewhere that the population of the zerg, player class and mount speed have more impact. But, those are difficult to put numbers with.
I am not against the green to black run, I am against the use of "Optimal" to describe it.
Anyway, I hate to abandon this thread, but taking a long weekend.
Enjoy your Optimal weekend :)
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Black is closer to spawn and to camp than green is, and running black to green has a shorter completion time than anything other than green to black.
However, green to black is the most often used so that makes it more optimal than black to green.
As a further point, anyone taking into account how long it takes to get to the first dragon as part of their run is an idiot who should manage their time better. The run starts when the first dragon appears. Therefore Green to Black and Black to Green are identical.
Anyone still claiming that White is the best start really needs to do some research as to why people used to start at white and then do some basic learning about time management, distances and other things that should be plainly obvious to anyone.