The dev team has nothing to work with? Define 'nothing', because where I come from we speak English and this word has a different meaning than what you're implying. The wealth of feedback on these very forums is overall ignored. Past sales of overwhelmingly popular costume sets is overall ignored. Years of experience working on these costumes with the players showing what they can do, even with a little 'clipping' is overall ignored. If they have 'nothing to work with', that's because they're choosing to ignore the tools.
Meeda is disappointed? He's the MOST disappointed and has every right to be. EVERYONE is disappointed here. Hell, I wanted new weapons if nothing else, and that was a MAJOR selling point that secured my vote for this one. But the majority of what made this concept good has been thrown out. I can clearly see that Meeda wasn't just making a 'Transformer costume'. If you go back and look at those parts- it was entirely possible to use a LOT of those parts for other types of character concepts as well. Now, it's limited to its singular comical set.
Would I rather have 'nothing than something'? What planet do you live on? Is Cryptic a business, or an abusive parent to you? Do you go order a burger, get a raw slab of meat with stale buns, and say 'well, it is better than nothing'. NO, because you are a paying customer and the person making the burger is a business. You fanboys need to get this notion out of your head that Cryptic is your play-pals. Allow me to educate you:
Cryptic's devs seem to be all right guys. They're probably great people. I enjoy interacting with them. However, for matters involving these costume sets- they are a business and I am a paying customer. They are not earning any charity bucks from me just for trying. Sorry, that's not how it works. I don't make enough money to support someone just because I want to be nice. This costume will likely be $10.00. That's enough to make dinner for a week, if I'm careful. That's gas money to get to work. That will replace parts on my truck that are wearing out.
Feel free to throw your money at this costume set if you personally like it. However, if you are spending money just because you feel bad for the devs or you think it 'supports the game', you are part of the problem. Dishonest financial support and false positive feedback does not improve the game. Sometimes, the Devs need that negative lashing. It improves the product, because while a person needs to know what he does that is well-received- he also needs to know what was not. It gives him a ground to work within to see how to maximize his financial gain.
Fixing this is not a 'miracle'. I propose the following options-
-Put this back on the drawing board and focus on the Steel Arachnid costume set. Come back to this one later, perhaps have it working in the background a little at a time between other sets.
-Go ahead and release this, but release it as 'mark 1'. Add other sets with more diversity [and better quality] as 'Mark 2' and 'Mark 3'.
-Just delay the release until this is improved.
No offense man but calling him out on the misuse of "nothing" and then misusing "everyone" in exactly the same way is a bit off.
Some of the fixes seem like they'd be pretty simple, too. For instance, angle the wings back a bit, like the vet-reward Art Deco wings (or, for that matter, like every other set of wings in the game), to avoid clipping. Put the Leg Accessories in all leg categories, not just Robot Legs, because Robot Legs are spindly. (Okay, maybe you can't make them fit Beast Legs. I can forgive that one. But normal humanoid legs? Come on, guys.) And add some little bits of detail work - the Arm parts aren't bad, really, but they're boring. If looking at the character doesn't interest me, I'm going to wind up deleting the character, because it's front and center of my screen at all times.
Now, I did overcome that last issue with the Hawkwing armor in the Costumes subforum, because adding the Blaster gloves made the forearm bit on the Blaster clip through the forearm of the VR Arm. But I shouldn't have to find an unintended workaround just to make a costume part work. I didn't have to do that with the Holoforce set - Starbolt is dressed completely in Holoforce, with the Psi Holo texture because colored yellow it gives sort of the appearance of a protective plasma field - so why should it be necessary here?
I think y'all focused too narrowly on the "robot" part of Variable Robot. Perhaps some remedial Transformers cartoons are needed? (No, it's not the only example of the concept, nor even the first, but it has more variety in designs than most.)
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
I think y'all focused too narrowly on the "robot" part of Variable Robot. Perhaps some remedial Transformers cartoons are needed? (No, it's not the only example of the concept, nor even the first, but it has more variety in designs than most.)
Honestly I was thinking of making a 'vehicle armor' alternate costume that resembled some of the jetbikes, if that ever happened. The character would just 'transform' the bike into a suit of battle armor.
Not interested in some silly lecture. I'm not blind and can see for myself that the concept and PTS design are pretty close. The worst thing I can say about the set is that it looks boring due to the weak detailing. Well, and the other clipping / category issues.
Say, with all this mess with this set, has anyone noticed the "There were some additional backend changes that most likely won't have any immediate player facing effect." Yet?
Also, I didn;t really read the hole topic (I tryed to), but I have to agree with Meed here, If I made an costume that got posted on the PTS and looked nothing like the design it was made for, then I'll be upset too, mind you I understand the limitations in CO, but to go this far is very odd.
While most of the complainant about clipping issues, well clipping issues happen everywhere, not just CO, and big "boobs" and shoulder sizes, yeah that's up to player choice, why they have them that big is byound me, but most of my toons have the slider of muscle mass (what ever its called) on to level 4, so the "boobs" are an big but fair size, or sometimes on smaller girls I make them smaller, but I have to admit the default are quite alright, any smaller then that, then its flat-chested.
I also have to agree with Meed, I kown it feels bad to be questioned, I hate it as well, and I learned my lesson a few time, but its silly to ague about such, while I have to admit Meed, that was pretty steep of you, Im unsure exclay the full augment between you two, but maybe I should lock you both in an room for you to kiss and make it out .
I was excited for the release of the Variable Robot set, but my god! Please temporarily pull that and take the time to finish it, Cryptic, for the love of costumes and respect to the person who designed it! It's a right hot mess!
The parts are extremely limited in categories they can be used with, like back in the old days, they clip horribly, and not even all the parts are there. Some of the parts are even missing some of their detailing! It really does look like someone was told "Get this out now, we don't care if it's far from done. We need something to sell ASAP."
One of the things in this set I was really looking forward to was the weapon, both sword and pistol models. That and the gun and blade arm variants. Those don't even exist the way the set is right now. I REALLY was looking forward to those pieces.
If this releases anywhere close to as is, I'm not buying it. Both because it's not even done, and because it's not being respectful towards the person who designed it. I'd MUCH rather wait for a COMPLETE, REFINED set than this horrific rushjob. Temporarily pull it and take the time to finish it before putting it back for testing and release. I want it, but not like this; I want it to be completed and refined, not rushed out before even the few pieces that ARE there are even done!
Sorry if I'm really upset, I don't want to make the team scrap it. I just want to have the set in a complete, refined state, which also respects the person who designed the concept. That and I was also REALLY looking forward to pieces which didn't even make the cut!
Not interested in some silly lecture. I'm not blind and can see for myself that the concept and PTS design are pretty close. The worst thing I can say about the set is that it looks boring due to the weak detailing. Well, and the other clipping / category issues.
How can it be close if at -least- half of the set is missing? Its like i ordered a cheeseburger and they threw out the bun, lettuce n tomato and just handed me a glob of uncooked ground beef. smh
How can it be close if at -least- half of the set is missing? Its like i ordered a cheeseburger and they threw out the bun, lettuce n tomato and just handed me a glob of uncooked ground beef. smh
To be fair the original, and extremely robust, concept had parts to represent several alternate things:
1) Armor plates for humans (like you often see on mecha pilots when outside vehicles).
2) Sleek airplane based robot.
3) Bulky tank based mecha.
4) Cool weapons.
They only focused on the first of these.
So I'd say it is more like the proposal was for a full happy meal (sandwich, fries, drink, and a toy) and they only added a small burger to the menu. The elements of the sandwich are all present, but since our hearts were on getting the entire combo (and we expected it to look like the one in the advertisements) we are sure to be disappointed.
With how the Variable robot was originally designed, it was pretty much MADE for being sold for 1000 Zen. Well that is until the price change.
Just look at the concept. It has layers of parts and alternate pieces. Not just one pair of shoulder pads. Not just one pair of bracers. I would easily buy that for $10.
We're waiting for the second group of pieces to get added once these are fixed.
With how the Variable robot was originally designed, it was pretty much MADE for being sold for 1000 Zen. Well that is until the price change.
Just look at the concept. It has layers of parts and alternate pieces. Not just one pair of shoulder pads. Not just one pair of bracers. I would easily buy that for $10.
We're waiting for the second group of pieces to get added once these are fixed.
Yeah. I was really looking forward to the WHOLE thing, and was prepared to pay for that. Seeing so much get cut, especially pieces I was REALLY looking forward to (like the sword/pistol) was absolutely devastating.
Alright im going to be blunt about this, i was really surprised when they decided that they're going to make the variable robot set, but this set right now in its current doesnt truely live up to what the concept art shows.
I may seem like im complaining now but a lot of the parts seem like they're too clunky, big and generally clip in all the wrong places.
As i cannot access the PTS i cannot give much feedback but from what is shown here, a lot of the parts seem a bit too clunky.
Also a lot is missing, the arm blades and guns that are drawn aren't even included, im scared to even see what my set is going to look like if this is considered 'finished'. Include as much as you can cryptic because right now it seems extremely rushed. What is drawn in the concept art is what we expect to see, if you cannot include it for any reason once so ever.. at least give us a reason why, otherwise there is no excuse.
Im one to rarely complain but right now i feel sorry for Meeda.
Take this set back and rework it a bit more, check out the concept art again and take some tips from the community, just rework it entirely and make a bit more sleeker... more fitting to the body and less clunky.
Take your time if you have to, no offense to the artist that had to model it but it feels rushed.
I've been on the PTS, I was looking EXTREMELY forward to this set, so, here are my current thoughts. I do apologize if I may be rinsing and repeating some concerns already stated;
1) Incomplete Set: This seems to be only based off one of the concepts, which was the flight type. The full art picture showed MULTIPLE parts, from medium armor bits, tank parts, weapon arms, etc. I would hope that what is on the PTS, is NOT the complete product, and more is going to be added.
2) Needs refinement: I know the parts are listed strangely in the costume list since it's on PTS, that part doesn't bother me too much. What bothers me is the lack of polish right now. I try to adjust the body size of say, shoulders, legs, etc, and SOME of the pieces don't adjust. I find the current look to be WAY too clunky compared to the original art piece, so when I try to shrink the shoulders...only the 'body' shoulders shrink...but not the shoulder pieces. I would hope this is just an oversight or something that hasn't been implemented yet. It's the same thing with the chest, WAY too bulky. I try to shrink the chest, only the upper body shrinks, leaving a HUGE gut that's just...wrong.
3) Needs Re-working: A friend of mine saw this and she was disappointed in the look. The current wings look almost NOTHING like the original, which showed A LOT of detail. Currently, the backpack is too...simple? No curved wings or anything like that, to make it seem dynamic or stand out. The gloves don't seem finished, it's just a model that doesn't seem textured (the original art showed the joints and all those things that help the fingers open, close, etc). Heck, the current tights seems like a re-work of an already existing set of tights. Both of which are just lines across the body. The original art piece together as a whole was AMAZING and emphasized that even the tights should look robotic.
I could 'nitpick' more on this, but I don't think it's my place to criticize too much as I am no moddeler myself. I do really, REALLY hope, that the team puts their heart and soul into this. I LOVE anime and especially mecha, and I've found CO with a huge case of lacking mech and mecha. City of Heroes/Villains had the right idea releasing it's mecha set during it's running time, so I hope Cryptic will do the same and bring us this set, and hopefully more robot/mecha sets in the future. That's my 2 cents for the day.
If they fix some of the issues they already said they're interested in fixing(clipping, parts in not enough categories, use of all 3 basic materials) and maybe angle those wings a little bit... I'd say it isn't all that terrible of a costume set by itself, it isn't worth 1000zen imo but it isn't a totally wasted effort. Sure the concept art had a lot of other neat things that would have been cool if they were included, but concept art is just that...a concept, something to give the modeler a basic idea to work around and subject to change depending on the time, effort, and resources available.
I doubt I will be running out to buy this one the very day it is released, I currently do not have any big robots in my roster that need this... but maybe some day if the mood strikes me I might decide to pick it up.(though the price might be a factor, I'll have to wait and see.)
Or, y'know, they've said all there is to say for now, and (as LadyGadfly revealed in chat last night) they're adding a week to the development cycle to address some of our quite valid concerns regarding this piece and will let us know when the next revision is ready...
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Or, y'know, they've said all there is to say for now, and (as LadyGadfly revealed in chat last night) they're adding a week to the development cycle to address some of our quite valid concerns regarding this piece and will let us know when the next revision is ready...
That's good to know jon. Thanks for the information.
I have been trying to test a few of the updates on the test server, but so far, I get about 15 minutes into playing and all of a sudden, my entire PC restarts. I've had it happen 4 times thus far, and I'm doing something and standing somewhere totally different every time.
I have also tested my temperature and it's remaining within 30-35C.
I think it's pretty obvious that the dev(s) working on this costume set were simply handed the concept picture as displayed in the Media link of the CO site. That picture just shows the robot costume.
And if that one robot picture was all that there was to the submission, I'd say they copied the look very well and would just need to work on the resizing and clipping issues. But there was more to the concept design that isn't displayed on the Media page. Thus why we expect more.
Or, y'know, they've said all there is to say for now, and (as LadyGadfly revealed in chat last night) they're adding a week to the development cycle to address some of our quite valid concerns regarding this piece and will let us know when the next revision is ready...
The usual.
Their maximum delay in these situations seems to be one additional week, not enough time to make any significant changes, certainly nothing like the set deserves to make this set on par with the other prize winners.
It's going live, make no mistake about that, no matter what state it's in.
Is zone chat really the proper place to reveal significant news when we have been begging them for additional feedback here?
Nice to kown, while we're going to still have butt-hurt people like comment above me, hopefully they will fix and flesh out. While I have to agree they chuold of said here but oh well, what said is said.
Or, y'know, they've said all there is to say for now, and (as LadyGadfly revealed in chat last night) they're adding a week to the development cycle to address some of our quite valid concerns regarding this piece and will let us know when the next revision is ready...
Wait when did they say this?, I guess I was asleep, but good to kown like I said..
Their maximum delay in these situations seems to be one additional week, not enough time to make any significant changes, certainly nothing like the set deserves to make this set on par with the other prize winners.
It's going live, make no mistake about that, no matter what state it's in.
Is zone chat really the proper place to reveal significant news when we have been begging them for additional feedback here?
They can't do more than they're allowed to, really. I doubt they're even allowed to cancel the set's release, especially after the blog stating for a fact it's coming out. The higher-ups probably don't understand the situation, nor care.
I think we should just encourage the devs to merely do what they can do for now.
I think it's pretty obvious that the dev(s) working on this costume set were simply handed the concept picture as displayed in the Media link of the CO site. That picture just shows the robot costume.
And if that one robot picture was all that there was to the submission, I'd say they copied the look very well and would just need to work on the resizing and clipping issues. But there was more to the concept design that isn't displayed on the Media page. Thus why we expect more.
And if that one robot picture on Arc media page is all that there was to the submission despite links to the full concept being submitted to CO Facebook gallery as well, it's the management fault for not looking for more.
For not asking the community manager if there was anything more.
And then there's the small thing that engine gondolas on the back are nearly the same as on smaller drawings, so it looks like an entire art was shown.
Also, CrypticProper having only Arc media picture makes them look unprepared.
Because it means that there's no communication between different branches in company.
One branch started the contest and voted projects, the second branch was realising it, and downloaded concept or player comments were not passed from one branch to another. Like, for an example, they did understand that concept was popular, but not why it was popular. So things cut out were mostly these more popular ideas, like guns and weapons.
What was left in was the most generic thing which is, I suppose, OK for most voters, but not that many people were waiting for (it's not that appealing unless you own any of the Hawkwing or VTOL vehicles and only them).
It's usual chaos and lack of communication. It's just a different reason. Not the modeler's fault, the management's one.
Overall, the Urban Anime, the Scientist, now the Variable Robot, are sets that are slap in the face for everyone on this forum who was actually advocating rise in prices for costumes. Myself included.
It really doesn't give any hopes for this game and its new direction.
Unfortunately, the costume set was scheduled for release, some work was done on it, so it will be released, whatever its state will be.
I don't really believe in any changes made to it aside of fixing technical bugs, so... *shrug*
I do hope the set will flop.
Not because I think it will change anything with the Variable Robot. No. This set is already done.
A week or so it's about enough to fix things, doublecheck textures and scaling and whatnot.
But this set selling poorly is the only way the company may learn and not repeat it in the future. And by the company I mean the decision makers, not the people charged with execution.
Seriously. let them work on another set, and try this one again some other time. Releasing it in a form anything like this is an insult to the designer.
It's not an insult, but the way I see it's more like a mismanagement resulting in a wasted opportunity.
The costume will miss being bought by people, who actually had intent of buying it, because they aren't really interested in exclusively Hawkwing jet costume.
We should encourage them to NOT RELEASE THE SET if it's not going to get much better than the pathetic crap it is now.
Seriously. let them work on another set, and try this one again some other time. Releasing it in a form anything like this is an insult to the designer.
The thing is, do we really know if they have control over which sets can get released and which get held back? Or do the higher-ups we don't get to converse with do that?
They read our posts. They see our concerns. But if their bosses decide what goes where once developed(or in this case, partially developed), all we can do is convince the devs to try convincing their bosses.
We should encourage them to NOT RELEASE THE SET if it's not going to get much better than the pathetic crap it is now.
Seriously. let them work on another set, and try this one again some other time. Releasing it in a form anything like this is an insult to the designer.
All I can do is laugh, I agree with you, but all I can do is laugh.
Do you think it was necessary for the people to still be hurt?, to comment like that?
No?
I expect people that haven't even heard of it yet to come in here and post long after we've forgotten about it. No sense in assuming everyone saw the news right when it was first posted.
if you are worried about the designer's feelings then you should try your best to get this costume put on hold.
If we are this outraged at the current set, how do you think someone will react if they actually paid for it? At the new price range no less. I know I would want my money back.
I expect people that haven't even heard of it yet to come in here and post long after we've forgotten about it. No sense in assuming everyone saw the news right when it
Yeah, that's true, and makes sense too and even with the news they saw, people will still complain, but oh well, lel, its human nature to complain
But some out-there, who do, are a little bit over the top.
If we are this outraged at the current set, how do you think someone will react if they actually paid for it? At the new price range no less. I know I would want my money back.
That's an pretty good qeastion, while some chuold see before they buy it in the tailor and images, before buying it, then I guess they are alright, and if they still did buy it and then became outraged, then its their own fault, but if they maybe did it by mistake by miss-clicking or so, then yeah, but really unsure how someone chuold do that. So that is an REALLY good qeastion.
Hey cry? How's that application for CO GM/Moderator going?
I know this was or tryed to be an joke , but I am going to give you the real answer for it, Not good, as I don't think there is even an Job Application for one, I looked in the Arc website unless im blind and can't find it, one of the two.
But yeah, really bad ,oh and for some reason when people call me "Cry", they keep thinking im that famous You Tuber, Cry. Unsure if you kown him, but its really awkward, I wish there was a way to change your account name on the forums
Suggestion: Over half of the costume pieces given in the suggestion for the Variable Robot set are MISSING! These would be the Double Intakes and Robotic Heavy Tank Chestpieces, the Tank Cannon and Jetpack Heavy Armored Turbine Backpieces, Robotic Heavy Boots, Robotic Windshield Shoulderpads, Variable Weapons (Pistol, Heavy Weapons, Martial Arts Blade), Long Glove Barrel/Blade, a version of the tights that has the plated armor as suggested, Short Hands version of the current Handpieces without the excess armor on the forearm.
Suggestion: The Armor Plating that is currently missing on the tights can also be individual pieces on their own such as Chest Pieces, Arm Accessories, Leg Accessories, Bracers, Feet, and Shoulder options. This would allow players to use these pieces on more than just the tights that come with the set, which is always nice.
Suggestion: The Camouflage patterns suggested with the set aren't available. Please add this.
Bug: All pieces should have the bare minimum of Cloth, Leather, and Metal options. These costume pieces do not have them yet.
Bug: Leg and Feet options force the character to be using Robotic Leg Types.
Bug: Left/Right options are tagged separately and are unavailable when trying to select them using "Both".
Bug: Variable Arm pieces are unable to be removed once applied if you are using a category other than the respective Robotic Arm category of the Variable Arm you wish to remove. This happens because they are separate pieces and do not fit under the normal "Arms" category, instead they exist in "Arms Left" or "Arms Right". These should be "Bracer" and "Arm Accessory" Options instead of "Arms" options.
Hope this feedback helps you fix up the set to be the awesome set it should be and not some rushed garbage that would make the creator of this concept upset.
Suggestion: Over half of the costume pieces given in the suggestion for the Variable Robot set are MISSING! These would be the Double Intakes and Robotic Heavy Tank Chestpieces, the Tank Cannon and Jetpack Heavy Armored Turbine Backpieces, Robotic Heavy Boots, Robotic Windshield Shoulderpads, Variable Weapons (Pistol, Heavy Weapons, Martial Arts Blade), Long Glove Barrel/Blade, a version of the tights that has the plated armor as suggested, Short Hands version of the current Handpieces without the excess armor on the forearm.
Suggestion: The Armor Plating that is currently missing on the tights can also be individual pieces on their own such as Chest Pieces, Arm Accessories, Leg Accessories, Bracers, Feet, and Shoulder options. This would allow players to use these pieces on more than just the tights that come with the set, which is always nice.
Suggestion: The Camouflage patterns suggested with the set aren't available. Please add this.
Bug: All pieces should have the bare minimum of Cloth, Leather, and Metal options. These costume pieces do not have them yet.
Bug: Leg and Feet options force the character to be using Robotic Leg Types.
Bug: Left/Right options are tagged separately and are unavailable when trying to select them using "Both".
Bug: Variable Arm pieces are unable to be removed once applied if you are using a category other than the respective Robotic Arm category of the Variable Arm you wish to remove. This happens because they are separate pieces and do not fit under the normal "Arms" category, instead they exist in "Arms Left" or "Arms Right". These should be "Bracer" and "Arm Accessory" Options instead of "Arms" options.
Hope this feedback helps you fix up the set to be the awesome set it should be and not some rushed garbage that would make the creator of this concept upset.
I gotta say that I am very much in approval of those suggestions, Turando.
You kown...now Im starting to feel everyone pain, why did they not say on here?, it whuold of cleared up alot, I won't be on the PC for a week the following week after this next one, and I can bet you the "update" to this PTS won't be out by then.
You kown...now Im starting to feel everyone pain, why did they not say on here?, it whuold of cleared up alot, I won't be on the PC for a week the following week after this next one, and I can bet you the "update" to this PTS won't be out by then.
I'm betting it right now...
Gads, I hope not. As it stands, this thing ain't ready for prime time.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
This is the exact kind of crap that people have been raging against. I honestly think they would have made this the $10 if they thought they could get away with it.
It lacks quality, it doesn't follow the artist's vision for it, and it really does look like they couldn't be bothered to try on it. I know a lot of people are looking forward to this set, but to do what they did and try to run with it, is the exact kind of thing that makes so many people drop this game.
I'm really hoping they are taking the feedback from this seriously. They need to scrap this model and redo it, making sure to add in the extra bits, allowing the various vehicle forms. If they actually put in effort, and not Cryptic's usual standard of "nothing to half a butt cheek", they could make a lot of money off this concept.
The transformer's fans will eat it up.
The people who already use this as a character concept will love it.
People will likely get vehicles just to make this concept.
They could add various versions (as less expensive costumes) for each vehicle.
I know there is only a handful of staff on CO, and Cryptic/pwe really couldn't care less, but don't disservice the fans or the artist who made the concept. If done right, people will through money at you. If done the Cryptic way, people will toss you the bird and spend their money else where. As it is, I wouldn't even waste stipend zen on this, let alone real money. And considering how little there is to spend free zen on, maybe Cryptic should do a little more than just toss out a cheap knock off of a costume they didn't even design.
The people who already use this as a character concept will love it.
People will likely get vehicles just to make this concept.
As someone who meets the criteria for all three of those, I can confirm this. Would LOVE to see this set released in its full glory and it would indeed change my CO experience(and spending habits) drastically.
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No offense man but calling him out on the misuse of "nothing" and then misusing "everyone" in exactly the same way is a bit off.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Now, I did overcome that last issue with the Hawkwing armor in the Costumes subforum, because adding the Blaster gloves made the forearm bit on the Blaster clip through the forearm of the VR Arm. But I shouldn't have to find an unintended workaround just to make a costume part work. I didn't have to do that with the Holoforce set - Starbolt is dressed completely in Holoforce, with the Psi Holo texture because colored yellow it gives sort of the appearance of a protective plasma field - so why should it be necessary here?
I think y'all focused too narrowly on the "robot" part of Variable Robot. Perhaps some remedial Transformers cartoons are needed? (No, it's not the only example of the concept, nor even the first, but it has more variety in designs than most.)
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That 'Everyone' is off, but a bit more accurate than the 'nothing'.
Honestly I was thinking of making a 'vehicle armor' alternate costume that resembled some of the jetbikes, if that ever happened. The character would just 'transform' the bike into a suit of battle armor.
Not interested in some silly lecture. I'm not blind and can see for myself that the concept and PTS design are pretty close. The worst thing I can say about the set is that it looks boring due to the weak detailing. Well, and the other clipping / category issues.
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Yeah, I gather you are more interested in making silly remarks.
And I hardly care in what you are interested.
You're not interested in being questioned, don't post on internet forums.
Also, I didn;t really read the hole topic (I tryed to), but I have to agree with Meed here, If I made an costume that got posted on the PTS and looked nothing like the design it was made for, then I'll be upset too, mind you I understand the limitations in CO, but to go this far is very odd.
While most of the complainant about clipping issues, well clipping issues happen everywhere, not just CO, and big "boobs" and shoulder sizes, yeah that's up to player choice, why they have them that big is byound me, but most of my toons have the slider of muscle mass (what ever its called) on to level 4, so the "boobs" are an big but fair size, or sometimes on smaller girls I make them smaller, but I have to admit the default are quite alright, any smaller then that, then its flat-chested.
I also have to agree with Meed, I kown it feels bad to be questioned, I hate it as well, and I learned my lesson a few time, but its silly to ague about such, while I have to admit Meed, that was pretty steep of you, Im unsure exclay the full augment between you two, but maybe I should lock you both in an room for you to kiss and make it out
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The parts are extremely limited in categories they can be used with, like back in the old days, they clip horribly, and not even all the parts are there. Some of the parts are even missing some of their detailing! It really does look like someone was told "Get this out now, we don't care if it's far from done. We need something to sell ASAP."
One of the things in this set I was really looking forward to was the weapon, both sword and pistol models. That and the gun and blade arm variants. Those don't even exist the way the set is right now. I REALLY was looking forward to those pieces.
If this releases anywhere close to as is, I'm not buying it. Both because it's not even done, and because it's not being respectful towards the person who designed it. I'd MUCH rather wait for a COMPLETE, REFINED set than this horrific rushjob. Temporarily pull it and take the time to finish it before putting it back for testing and release. I want it, but not like this; I want it to be completed and refined, not rushed out before even the few pieces that ARE there are even done!
Sorry if I'm really upset, I don't want to make the team scrap it. I just want to have the set in a complete, refined state, which also respects the person who designed the concept. That and I was also REALLY looking forward to pieces which didn't even make the cut!
How can it be close if at -least- half of the set is missing? Its like i ordered a cheeseburger and they threw out the bun, lettuce n tomato and just handed me a glob of uncooked ground beef. smh
To be fair the original, and extremely robust, concept had parts to represent several alternate things:
1) Armor plates for humans (like you often see on mecha pilots when outside vehicles).
2) Sleek airplane based robot.
3) Bulky tank based mecha.
4) Cool weapons.
They only focused on the first of these.
So I'd say it is more like the proposal was for a full happy meal (sandwich, fries, drink, and a toy) and they only added a small burger to the menu. The elements of the sandwich are all present, but since our hearts were on getting the entire combo (and we expected it to look like the one in the advertisements) we are sure to be disappointed.
And now I'm hungry...
Just look at the concept. It has layers of parts and alternate pieces. Not just one pair of shoulder pads. Not just one pair of bracers. I would easily buy that for $10.
We're waiting for the second group of pieces to get added once these are fixed.
Yeah. I was really looking forward to the WHOLE thing, and was prepared to pay for that. Seeing so much get cut, especially pieces I was REALLY looking forward to (like the sword/pistol) was absolutely devastating.
I may seem like im complaining now but a lot of the parts seem like they're too clunky, big and generally clip in all the wrong places.
As i cannot access the PTS i cannot give much feedback but from what is shown here, a lot of the parts seem a bit too clunky.
Also a lot is missing, the arm blades and guns that are drawn aren't even included, im scared to even see what my set is going to look like if this is considered 'finished'. Include as much as you can cryptic because right now it seems extremely rushed. What is drawn in the concept art is what we expect to see, if you cannot include it for any reason once so ever.. at least give us a reason why, otherwise there is no excuse.
Im one to rarely complain but right now i feel sorry for Meeda.
Take this set back and rework it a bit more, check out the concept art again and take some tips from the community, just rework it entirely and make a bit more sleeker... more fitting to the body and less clunky.
Take your time if you have to, no offense to the artist that had to model it but it feels rushed.
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1) Incomplete Set: This seems to be only based off one of the concepts, which was the flight type. The full art picture showed MULTIPLE parts, from medium armor bits, tank parts, weapon arms, etc. I would hope that what is on the PTS, is NOT the complete product, and more is going to be added.
2) Needs refinement: I know the parts are listed strangely in the costume list since it's on PTS, that part doesn't bother me too much. What bothers me is the lack of polish right now. I try to adjust the body size of say, shoulders, legs, etc, and SOME of the pieces don't adjust. I find the current look to be WAY too clunky compared to the original art piece, so when I try to shrink the shoulders...only the 'body' shoulders shrink...but not the shoulder pieces. I would hope this is just an oversight or something that hasn't been implemented yet. It's the same thing with the chest, WAY too bulky. I try to shrink the chest, only the upper body shrinks, leaving a HUGE gut that's just...wrong.
3) Needs Re-working: A friend of mine saw this and she was disappointed in the look. The current wings look almost NOTHING like the original, which showed A LOT of detail. Currently, the backpack is too...simple? No curved wings or anything like that, to make it seem dynamic or stand out. The gloves don't seem finished, it's just a model that doesn't seem textured (the original art showed the joints and all those things that help the fingers open, close, etc). Heck, the current tights seems like a re-work of an already existing set of tights. Both of which are just lines across the body. The original art piece together as a whole was AMAZING and emphasized that even the tights should look robotic.
I could 'nitpick' more on this, but I don't think it's my place to criticize too much as I am no moddeler myself. I do really, REALLY hope, that the team puts their heart and soul into this. I LOVE anime and especially mecha, and I've found CO with a huge case of lacking mech and mecha. City of Heroes/Villains had the right idea releasing it's mecha set during it's running time, so I hope Cryptic will do the same and bring us this set, and hopefully more robot/mecha sets in the future. That's my 2 cents for the day.
I doubt I will be running out to buy this one the very day it is released, I currently do not have any big robots in my roster that need this... but maybe some day if the mood strikes me I might decide to pick it up.(though the price might be a factor, I'll have to wait and see.)
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That's good to know jon. Thanks for the information.
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I have also tested my temperature and it's remaining within 30-35C.
And if that one robot picture was all that there was to the submission, I'd say they copied the look very well and would just need to work on the resizing and clipping issues. But there was more to the concept design that isn't displayed on the Media page. Thus why we expect more.
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The usual.
Their maximum delay in these situations seems to be one additional week, not enough time to make any significant changes, certainly nothing like the set deserves to make this set on par with the other prize winners.
It's going live, make no mistake about that, no matter what state it's in.
Is zone chat really the proper place to reveal significant news when we have been begging them for additional feedback here?
Wait when did they say this?, I guess I was asleep, but good to kown like I said..
I think we should just encourage the devs to merely do what they can do for now.
Was that really necessary?
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you've got a person who has been dumped with a , not exactly simple costume to make.
Try not to scare them off, they may be the only art dev we have.
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And if that one robot picture on Arc media page is all that there was to the submission despite links to the full concept being submitted to CO Facebook gallery as well, it's the management fault for not looking for more.
For not asking the community manager if there was anything more.
And then there's the small thing that engine gondolas on the back are nearly the same as on smaller drawings, so it looks like an entire art was shown.
Also, CrypticProper having only Arc media picture makes them look unprepared.
Because it means that there's no communication between different branches in company.
One branch started the contest and voted projects, the second branch was realising it, and downloaded concept or player comments were not passed from one branch to another. Like, for an example, they did understand that concept was popular, but not why it was popular. So things cut out were mostly these more popular ideas, like guns and weapons.
What was left in was the most generic thing which is, I suppose, OK for most voters, but not that many people were waiting for (it's not that appealing unless you own any of the Hawkwing or VTOL vehicles and only them).
It's usual chaos and lack of communication. It's just a different reason. Not the modeler's fault, the management's one.
Overall, the Urban Anime, the Scientist, now the Variable Robot, are sets that are slap in the face for everyone on this forum who was actually advocating rise in prices for costumes. Myself included.
It really doesn't give any hopes for this game and its new direction.
Unfortunately, the costume set was scheduled for release, some work was done on it, so it will be released, whatever its state will be.
I don't really believe in any changes made to it aside of fixing technical bugs, so... *shrug*
I do hope the set will flop.
Not because I think it will change anything with the Variable Robot. No. This set is already done.
A week or so it's about enough to fix things, doublecheck textures and scaling and whatnot.
But this set selling poorly is the only way the company may learn and not repeat it in the future. And by the company I mean the decision makers, not the people charged with execution.
It's not an insult, but the way I see it's more like a mismanagement resulting in a wasted opportunity.
The costume will miss being bought by people, who actually had intent of buying it, because they aren't really interested in exclusively Hawkwing jet costume.
It's more practical than personal.
They read our posts. They see our concerns. But if their bosses decide what goes where once developed(or in this case, partially developed), all we can do is convince the devs to try convincing their bosses.
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Do you think it was necessary for the people to still be hurt?, to comment like that?
No?
Then It was, if you don;t like it, then sorry
All I can do is laugh, I agree with you, but all I can do is laugh.
Hey cry? How's that application for CO GM/Moderator going?
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If we are this outraged at the current set, how do you think someone will react if they actually paid for it? At the new price range no less. I know I would want my money back.
Yeah, that's true, and makes sense too and even with the news they saw, people will still complain, but oh well, lel, its human nature to complain
But some out-there, who do, are a little bit over the top.
That's an pretty good qeastion, while some chuold see before they buy it in the tailor and images, before buying it, then I guess they are alright, and if they still did buy it and then became outraged, then its their own fault, but if they maybe did it by mistake by miss-clicking or so, then yeah, but really unsure how someone chuold do that. So that is an REALLY good qeastion.
Anyone want to clear it up?
I know this was or tryed to be an joke
But yeah, really bad
Suggestion: Over half of the costume pieces given in the suggestion for the Variable Robot set are MISSING! These would be the Double Intakes and Robotic Heavy Tank Chestpieces, the Tank Cannon and Jetpack Heavy Armored Turbine Backpieces, Robotic Heavy Boots, Robotic Windshield Shoulderpads, Variable Weapons (Pistol, Heavy Weapons, Martial Arts Blade), Long Glove Barrel/Blade, a version of the tights that has the plated armor as suggested, Short Hands version of the current Handpieces without the excess armor on the forearm.
Suggestion: The Armor Plating that is currently missing on the tights can also be individual pieces on their own such as Chest Pieces, Arm Accessories, Leg Accessories, Bracers, Feet, and Shoulder options. This would allow players to use these pieces on more than just the tights that come with the set, which is always nice.
Suggestion: The Camouflage patterns suggested with the set aren't available. Please add this.
Bug: All pieces should have the bare minimum of Cloth, Leather, and Metal options. These costume pieces do not have them yet.
Bug: Leg and Feet options force the character to be using Robotic Leg Types.
Bug: Left/Right options are tagged separately and are unavailable when trying to select them using "Both".
Bug: Variable Arm pieces are unable to be removed once applied if you are using a category other than the respective Robotic Arm category of the Variable Arm you wish to remove. This happens because they are separate pieces and do not fit under the normal "Arms" category, instead they exist in "Arms Left" or "Arms Right". These should be "Bracer" and "Arm Accessory" Options instead of "Arms" options.
Hope this feedback helps you fix up the set to be the awesome set it should be and not some rushed garbage that would make the creator of this concept upset.
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I gotta say that I am very much in approval of those suggestions, Turando.
Nice one.
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I asked Lady Gadfly about it the other day, they are. I know that they're at least adding more categories.
It lacks quality, it doesn't follow the artist's vision for it, and it really does look like they couldn't be bothered to try on it. I know a lot of people are looking forward to this set, but to do what they did and try to run with it, is the exact kind of thing that makes so many people drop this game.
I'm really hoping they are taking the feedback from this seriously. They need to scrap this model and redo it, making sure to add in the extra bits, allowing the various vehicle forms. If they actually put in effort, and not Cryptic's usual standard of "nothing to half a butt cheek", they could make a lot of money off this concept.
The transformer's fans will eat it up.
The people who already use this as a character concept will love it.
People will likely get vehicles just to make this concept.
They could add various versions (as less expensive costumes) for each vehicle.
I know there is only a handful of staff on CO, and Cryptic/pwe really couldn't care less, but don't disservice the fans or the artist who made the concept. If done right, people will through money at you. If done the Cryptic way, people will toss you the bird and spend their money else where. As it is, I wouldn't even waste stipend zen on this, let alone real money. And considering how little there is to spend free zen on, maybe Cryptic should do a little more than just toss out a cheap knock off of a costume they didn't even design.
Prime Time?, the only thing I kown what Prime Time is Warframe, but yeah, I hope not
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I have to agree. This has the potential to be huge, maybe more so than the Holoforce/Psionic Dragon sets, because of the vehicle tie-in.
Really.
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