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Just wondering if you could be a villain in this game. Good game by the way.
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You can be a hero, and create a villian as your nemesis, but at the moment you cannot be a faction based villian. Its something alot of people would be enthralled about. But hasn't come across their immediate to do list yet. One day hopefully....one day. I know a faction based villian system would pick up pvp play by a HUUUGE AMOUNT.
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Yeah, DCUO has a villain side, I think that's why their pvp system is so popular. I'm still a supernube over here so I'm not familiar with the pvp system.
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wow are you always so jaded or is it only to the people you don't see often on the forums >_>.
Look Topic creator, hero and villian is a matter of perception, of course in this game your always registered to the masses as a hero, but so was Adolf Hitler in his day... You'll find in this super hero game a lot more hero and villain like social experiences than you'd have ever imagined that will test you and result in you either walking the path of a villain or a better man... or even a mix of both, a game in which your perception on the reality around you will alter your take on the events and players in the game. This is your chance to fuse the game of "hero" with the game of life. Players are people, and some will cheat you, some will rob you, some will become your friend and steal everything you ever had, others will help you, protect you, aid you in every way possible, and the thing is... everyone is wearing a mask. Good luck, a champion is neither a hero nor villain, simply a man (or woman) with his own hopes and aspirations given the title for simply attempting to seek what lies down that road.
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But anyways... I roleplay a villain from time to time. If the devs had an option for being a villain or antivillain, Champions Online might actually get more players.
You have to understand. This is Champions Online. I'm sure you saw 'be the hero you want to be', but it's actually 'be the hero that looks the way you want them to look and has the powers you want them to have but you're just doing the same thing every other hero is doing'.
I completely agree with you, but don't get your hopes up. People have asked for this since day one, but no one sees the value in it because lockboxes vehicles whatever.
Being able to do villainous deeds is desired, no doubt. I support entering the game world as a meta who has not decided how to use their powers yet.
Don't worry, you won't get your butt hauled into prison. Play a villain all you want.
So go make them in GTA or Saint's Row or something. Champions isn't about robbing banks and murdering innocent people. It's about being a superhero.
Also maybe take a spelling class.
You can NOT play missions as a villain.
Now, the villains faction works in DCUO but there is one thing about it - it was ingame from the very beginning.
Including second faction in CO now would make very little sense even if Cryptic had time and resources for doing it.
City of Villains wasn't a big financial succes for CoX and probably because it was added later and always had problems with keeping up with the heroes side of the game.
I'm not sure if enough people would play as villains to justify development costs. It works in DCUO because it's tied to their PvP system. Well... PvP in CO is hardly a driving force behind the game, and let's say it loud - it's debalanced and playable mostly for diehards.
And let's not talk about how hard would be to make a proper villain side, where you are a real proactive character. Not a glorified minion.
Finally, IIRC CO is T-rated or something like that. It's not really suited for a game when you can do missions focused on things like bank robbery and kidnapping.
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This kind of crap right here. This.
1- It's not a stupid request by any means. Those other two Superhero MMORPG's? They had a villain option. Both of them did far better than Champions Online could ever hope to do, and you know it. Sure, one might be closed. But don't sit and tell me that CO's population won't take a hit if that game comes back or a similar game gets remade. The other is a bit mindless and limited- but it's still doing better than CO by a long shot. Correlation isn't causation, but let's not pretend that it's not a factor when people complain about being bored after doing the same thing over and over.
2- There are varying degrees of villain, and they can be an interesting character. Not every villain is a baby-eating, puppy-kicking, murder-loving sociopath. If CO's 'hero' roleplaying community is to be believed, taking a life in combat against an enemy makes you 'no better than them', so apparently 'villain' isn't so bad. While some villains from the precious Silver Age had no substance other than 'is bad man', the best villains throughout comics had some motivation- an understandable reason for being the way they are. Yes, we still have the guys who are just selfish monsters, but there are several villains whose desires to make the world a better place don't fall in line with the Spandex & Tights carebear mindset.
3- You people always gripe and whine about players who complain about things in CO are 'running off players'- but here we have someone blatantly saying 'if it doesn't have the option you want, GTFO'. If there's a toxic thing in this community, this is it.
In order to have a villain side you will need 40 levels of content, that content is likely to test the imagination of the dev team doing it severely. Heroes respond to emergencies, villains initiate the emergencies, it's kinda hard to think up story arcs to fit this and 40 levels is a lot of stuff.
Realistic proposals (or at least vaguely doable if Cryptic North ever gets the lead out of it's ****).
1. Villain side in PVP
How about strapping on a become Therakiel device and fighting a team of 5 heroes in the finale of Apocalypse Aversion for example. How about having the option to play the villain in PVP alerts? This would give the no hope PVP (aka theme or PVE) builds an alternative to hiding at the back in ZA.
2. More options in the Nemesis system (if they ever get round to upgrading this)
A story arc could be added to the Nemesis system which specified your nemesis as some kind of galactic peacekeeper/headhunter. Who would be focussed on hunting you down and bringing you to justice, dialogue and missions to suit!
Neither of these are be the villain you want to be but do allow for a measure of the player being the villain.
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What, would we have alerts where we blow away a bunch of cops and then team up on Defender at the end?
Or world missions where we blow away groups of cops and until soldiers over and over?
No really... when you think about playing a villain... make sure you're thinking about it in the context of this game.
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we'd end up doing the same thing we do as heroes but in reverse. For instance, instead of stopping a prison break, we'd help cause a prison break, by defeating armored guards, policeman and other hyper cops. Instead of trying to stop Dr. Destroyer, Dr. Destroyer would be our Defender. And during the Villian nemcon instead of fighting Destroyer at the end, you'd fight Defender.
Villians are just heroes in reverse and vice versa. All the same context and ideas about what a hero does apply here, just think about them in reverse and viola you have your villian mission.
Yeah, what despairsrequiem said.
disagree that an anti-villain is somehow not just a type of villain. All of that sounds rather villainous to me.
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2: Make a ranged tank and kite like a boss ALL OVER the nemesis dockside dust off. Extra evil gold stars by doing it with nothing but moves that cause MASSIVE KB.
3: Make a bronie toon.
4: Make a bronie SG.
5: In alerts heal players that don't need heals.
6: In said alerts with your level 6 bronie toon attack boss with EB only attacks and once the rest of the team do the alert for you become a camera hog so everyone can bask in your utter noobness.
7: Make a FF bronie toon and gank AT's in BASH. s0 pr0 br0.
8: Go on forums and cry some more about how said AT's ganked you in BASH and how they need nerfed.
9: Make Grond jokes.
10: Go on about the utter joys of Guild Wars 2 on the CoX channel.
11: Make a BL2 Zero clone equip 5 ice nades become a s0 pr0 br0. ( pvpers will get the last one :P )
12: Pre order an Xbone help fund the NSA.
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Because it doesn't make sense for some good guy to go around beating up villains just so they can get some mods or something. That might as well make him a bad guy.
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I feel bad as I've done a good nine of these...
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Ever since doing the first PRISON BREAK, I've always said we were never STOPPING one, we were HELPING TO CAUSE one. Because the Nemesis only escapes because WE WERE THERE.
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How very... meta.
Champion can be a very broad term... so a giant rock champion would crush the purple gangers and kill them to prevent world disaster as opposed to a martial artist champion disarming them.
There was a thread long ago that went into detail that pretty much explained that even a champion could be selfish, greedy, etc. Maybe while robbing a bank, you sneak a few bags... or you end up throwing your nemesis out the window a few floors to high. Stuff like that.
Your goals are generally just not aligned to the total destruction of earth and it's major protectors.
I guess you could rationalize that the Nem would still be in jail if you hadn't done the mission. But you could then rationalize that since the game's purpose is to create scenarios where you can be a hero - by not playing you're lowering the City's crime rate. If we all avoided playing at all, Millenium city's problems would be over. But that's kind of like killing the patient so his disease doesn't spread.
Personally, I log in as often as possible, to generate as much crime as I can. It's the only way to be heroic.
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My friend and I always have some underlying theme that we try to stick to for our alts.
For instance, our current pair (of Villains) will not do: "Help a Citizen" missions or any other type of "rescue" mission unless we justify the ends with our means.
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Yup. Psion The Psinister is my toon and Mentella's Nemesis, I created him in game and I will not do "heroic" missions unless I stand to gain something ICly :biggrin:
Citizen: Please help me!
Psion The Psinister: Remove yourself from my presence before I tear you apart atom by atom, with JUST my mind!!
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He is a one off though, I made him purely for screens, but then his build was interesting and powerful and he sort of became level 40 ._.
Some missions where you work with bad guys like Early Worm Gets the Bird or some nemesis missions where you team with VIPER can be taken advantage of.
I even made a generic Telepathic Nemesis for him (The nemesis Telepathy set couldn't do Mentella justice. Ever. Aand it's complicated between Mentella and Psion xD)
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It didn't help that it utterly failed at giving a comic book super-villain experience. It was more or less just CoH reskinned and some names changed with different powers.
Heroes are generally reactive, and you can lead them along a storyline. Villains are generally more active, creating plots, leaving clues, creating trickery...almost impossible to create a general storyline to follow with that. CoV had you being a bunch of different people's flunkies for 90% of your arcs. It just didn't work like that.
Is DCUOs approach any better, or the same thing?
I'm afraid that's what Jack thought when he created CoV. He was wrong, and so are you.
In DCUO there is only a loose league of supervillains and you are doing things for them because you were told to do so.
Basically, you are their minion.
In CO the only equivalent to Arachnos is VIPER, or maybe ARGENT. Good for Deathstroke types, but not very good for others.
Either way, it's night impossible to create storyline for mastermind type villains.
Mercenaries may work for others and psychos may wreck things just for giggles, but to have an actual mastermind villain gameplay would require a RTS-like type of a game.
I think to successfully make a real-feel super-villain game, you'd probably have to make JUST that, and no hero side. It'd have to have a lot more active options and open-ended planning.