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ccarmichael07
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First new story in a while, and it appears that Cryptic has decided that if you want story, but play solo, you are out of luck.
It was bad enough that I had to beg for help to get through the first mission. But I was very relieved to see the second mission wasnt marked for recommended team of 2.
I fight all the way up to Cyberlord, only to find out....yep I NEED A FRIGGIN TEAM!!!!
What is your problem Cryptic? I thought this was supposed to be a game about SUPERheroes. Not mundane, average, barely heroes who have to beg for assistance anytime some villian crops up.
I get it, there is a need for team based play. Yes, I know its important. But to lock out new story content behind a wall of team up need is ridiculous, and only serves to drive people like me away. I enjoy Champions for the ability to play by myself and create my own heroes to have their own adventures. But if this game is all about Team Play only now, I guess I'll have to look elsewhere to be entertained.
Very, very, very disappointed in this Cryptic. :mad:
It was bad enough that I had to beg for help to get through the first mission. But I was very relieved to see the second mission wasnt marked for recommended team of 2.
I fight all the way up to Cyberlord, only to find out....yep I NEED A FRIGGIN TEAM!!!!
What is your problem Cryptic? I thought this was supposed to be a game about SUPERheroes. Not mundane, average, barely heroes who have to beg for assistance anytime some villian crops up.
I get it, there is a need for team based play. Yes, I know its important. But to lock out new story content behind a wall of team up need is ridiculous, and only serves to drive people like me away. I enjoy Champions for the ability to play by myself and create my own heroes to have their own adventures. But if this game is all about Team Play only now, I guess I'll have to look elsewhere to be entertained.
Very, very, very disappointed in this Cryptic. :mad:
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Mind you I'm gold and thus Free form so I dunno how some ATs would do.
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ATs do fine as well as long as you are high lvl. My main is a lvl 40 Blade AT, with blue primaries and she can solo both bosses of Fatal Error pretty easily.
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Silver here. I have a Glacier, a Devastator, and a Radiant, the glacier does fine solo, when I use the Devastator I need to take a couple healing items with me but otherwise do ok, though it's a close fight, the Radiant on the other hand is just a tad too squishy to solo it, of course I haven't gotten new gear on it since doing the VB crisis so getting a set of heroics might help that.
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Obviously it's harder at lower levels, or on squishy ATs, but if you need a hand, at all, be it a quick partner or some build tips to get a soloing monster of a character, I am more than willing to help you out, man.
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I agree with the OP somewhat some AT's epically at lower levels can have issues with the second mission. But this is something that can be tweaked I guess.
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I suppose if this new series was intended for Level 40's, and built around Level 40 characters, it would make sense if a 25 couldn't do it, even with the level scaling. I make it through the packs of henchmen just fine, it's just the boss which is the issue.
Going to try this solo on my Level 40 Power Armor character. If he can solo it, then I'll know what the general issue is.
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Also, soloed both Fatal Error's with my Disciple archetype, level 40. But well, i soloed even Vikorin with her.
Other than that, whats the problem with teaming up? I never understood this. You guys need to overcome this social anxiety and meet friends! Right now, on this very moment, there are several people like OP - shy people with builds not powerful enough - getting destroyed by Cyberlord. They need a team, but they're too shy or whatever to ask for one so we have just a bunch of individuals failing instead of a happy team being victorious. I have made several friends in Champions Online - compared with the other mmo's i've played it has a very nice community. Dont be fooled by one douche or another, they really dont represent us!
Also, if you ever need help in that game, send me a mail (@AlexOfSpades)! I love helping people. (One of these days, helped a forum member do Necrull).
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That tells me 2 things:
1. The missions are being optimized for max level characters.
2. If you have a below 40 character you try to run against Cyberlord, it needs to be a well optimized build to succeed.
It's unfortunate that lower level characters can't enjoy this mission without begging for help, but apparently that's the way it's going to be. Guess I can stick to Whiteout, Resistance and the Serpent Lantern missions on my lowbies and skip the new one till max level.
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I soloed FE1 with my lvl 21 squeashy Ego blader. I didn't and won't try FE2 under lvl 35 as there's a bug about Cyberlord HP (which doesn't scale with lvl).
So, aside with this Cyberlord HP issue, I'm not sure what do you mean by not soloable for mid lvl character?
I need to try it with a few other characters, but provided the devs don't change the mission I think it will make a good benchmark for determining if I need to take certain builds back to the drawing board or not. I gotta say I like the mission as is.
I have not completed fatal error 1 on most of my characters.
When people look for a team for this part 2 for 20 minutes I can't help.
Well, if they do like they did with Whiteout... at the end, we won't be able to select Fatal Error mission by mission.
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I get bored to sleep in that first part of Whiteout, so I've never seen the rest of it.
Something to do this winter, maybe.
Srsly? ...so not only do we have to balance content so ATs can solo it, but now we have to balance it so low level archetypes can solo it??
At some point, we're just going to have to add a button to all content that says "Auto-Complete This Content" that only shows up for people with a freeform.
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That's... kind of the point of scaling, isn't it?
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First time go no deaths. Level 21 singleblade/invul freeform. Once I realized he summon two robots regardless of how many I kill and only two, I figured I just ignore them and pound on him until he dies. Which worked, then killed the two robots after the mission complete cut scene.
Next time will be a bit quicker as I know now to not waste too much time focusing on killing off the robots but didn't find it too hard or unsoloable and god knows I don't make uber builds.
Yeah, I know, the screenshot doesn't have the UI, so it doesn't PROVE that I soloed him.
I make no claim to have soloed him on an AT. That's a freeform, and the battle took well over an hour, and involved four deaths, all in the final phase.
But he IS soloable. In fact, that's the ONLY lair that I've successfully soloed.
Let's go back to the OP for a moment though.
Level 10. Solo. Yes, another freeform. Equipped with Heirloom Gear. I used one Healing Patch. The device on cooldown is a Poisoned Shuriken.
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Well one AT I tried it with a level 25 Inferno and I just kept dying >_> Maybe I have been relying on my FF crutches to long that Ive forgotten how to play ATs :<
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Haha, no way! With that AT character, i dont even queue for Gravi. She can kill me in a single strike! The AT i used to solo Vikorin has 5100 health, lulz. She's a Disciple character with Heroic gear and 104% crit severity, so that my Siphoning Strikes (ID Weaponry adv) often heal for 2800 a single hit (Wheres your BCR/Conviction now?). Since ID Weaponry is the skill that builds up Ego Leech stacks the best, this effectively turns my lil Disciple indestructible as long as she's doing that combo. And then she unleashes 18,000 with Annihilation, which is the source of my DPS. Perfect defense and offense at the same time... she's a beast.
Once he hits low health i admit i had trouble and died four to five times in the lava, but then i kept flying over his head and for some reason his knock skill simply didnt hit me at all. He did it (it looks like a Force Eruption right?) but it didnt hit. Not sure if a bug or what, i just know it saved me and i kept up the attacks till he was dead and dropped the Shoulder Pads.
I havent attempted to solo him ever since - i did it just for the challenge, just to prove that an archetype can do what a freeform can do. Maybe i should try it again to be sure its possible to bypass his knock with that trick. I used Jet Boots to fly above his shoulder (My idea was that if he knocked me, i'd be knocked up instead of to the lava). I should have taken a screenshot like flamingbunnyman, but i was so excited for dropping his shoulder pads that i completely forgot. Here's me soloing Bronze King instead.
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Soldier AT, skipped the tutorial, equipped with Heirloom Gear, Inky Ooze Travel power to stealth past enemies I don't want to fight and to put distance between me and the boss when things got hairy, the contents of my Starter Pack, and my Heroic Resonance device.
I leveled up once during the mission. I used 7 charges of my Healing Patch, and used the Heroic Resonance to refill my Energy during the boss fight. I used several charges of the Heroic Might up front to make sure it stayed stacked for the whole mission.
I died once during the boss fight, because he webbed me just as I was going for a Healing Patch.
He also reset once, because I hid too long when he summoned three Villain rank enemies at the same time.
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You know you can avoid his knockback by walking down the stairs when he's about to do it right? Vikorin is easy to solo.
Scaling can only do so much, since scaling an never give you the equivelant of having more powers; all it can do is make the powers you do have stronger. How do you buff a lvl 10 so that it has the same abilities as a lvl 40 who has 14 powers, full specializations, and full talents/SS?
We can all be grateful that they didn't level-gate this content. However, giving access does not come with guaranteed success. I'm glad that I can say something like that again after a long long time.
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I actually facepalmed. Like, really. You just made a guy in Brazil facepalm, and loudly too.
Sorry man, i edited the post. I'm a dumbass sometimes
Oh REALLY. Nice to know!
Heh. No worries.
It's a pretty small area. You probably won't find it reliably at first.
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There is one common thread I've noticed - the key to defeating CL seems to be having Invulnerability, preferably at R3. That's Happifun's passive, too. I'll have to try him later on Piqsirpoq, a 23rd-lvl Glacier, and see how it goes.
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All I did was use Enrage, Force Bolts to build energy, use RoomSweeper to build stacks of Enrage and send Cyberlord's minions flying :biggrin:, Imbue, Demolish, Demolish, Demolish... each time I got to around 2/3 of my health, use Bionic Shielding and block till' it was back to 100% and then continue to KTFO anything in sight XDD Oh and blocking Cyberlord's charged attacks was very important but it was THAT simple to solo him at level 32!
Yeah, my soldier from the earlier post can't take down Cyberlord. Not suprising, considering that he has 38,394 hp, and my level 7 Soldier doesn't have any attacks that do more than 100 points of damage per tick.
In comparison, the Master Villains have 1,019 hp, and the Enforcers have 1,014 hp. There is definitely a scaling issue here.
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I'll say. While I can manage to beat Cyberlord on my 40s, I am unable to beat him on my alts that range between 6 to 28. 28 being my Unleashed AT with full Nemesis Heirloom. While I get close to beating him wasn't enough until I brought with me a few health devices when my Bountiful Chi Resurgence and Force Shield with Force Sheath advantage wasn't enough to save me over his attacks and the minions he spawns. Plus he likes to move back a lot so I couldn't use Eye of the Storm as effectively. Playing duck duck goose around the platform.
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Hey by the way, you cannot set your build for 0 more seconds.
HAHAHAHA, I know! :biggrin: It has to do with this button I keep pressing and I should really re-configure my keyboard in Champions
Umm, I solo-farmed Andrithal to get the full costume set from Vikorin, so it's absolutely doable. There's plenty of vids on Youtube that shows how to do it if you want proof, or I can make a vid if you want... Vikorin is a piece of cake once you know how to do the fight. You can avoid the knockback entirely by taking a few steps down the pyramid stairs, there's a safe distance where you can be. So when you see him charging that particular power, you just have to do that. Block all his other powers for minimal damage. There's another KB that can occur if you aggro the golems that spit fire in the corners of the room in the 3rd phase I believe and, true, that one is really annoying, but generally I can do the fight without aggroing them. Also if you die but got Vikorin's HP below 2/3rd he will only reset back to 2/3, or 1/3 if you got him that low, so you can wear him down if it's that hard of a fight for you.
Side note, and I don't know if this is true: At one point I was teamed some people I was with said that the final fight with Cyberlord is always happening as if level 30, regardless of what level characters get brought in. If his scaling isn't... scaling... that that could explain some of the issues.
I understand your desire to solo the missions of FE. Do you think there is something specifically the mission could have done differently to help you enjoy it solo?
I understand from many it is soloable, but that does not always mean its soloable for all builds. As a crowd controller people would tell me all the time "missions are soloable" but that didn't apply to my build type.
Perhaps your chosen playstyle is not supported for solo content as well, and if you can understand this now it may lead you to fewer disappointing player experiences in your future as it has me.
The first mission was great from a 'new stuff' perspective, but I ran it solo and never once even thought about it being a 2 man mission. New, yes. Challenging, no.
I enjoyed the 2nd mission a bit more, but CL wasn't a threat - just really seemed a bag of HP. I forgot he spawned minions until I read it here. Guess I'll try my glass cannon ranged toons to see how tough it is for them.
Not perfect, but not disappointed. I'm just happy there are new things to do... for a while :biggrin:
I guess it depends on your build, or AT if you're Silver - but I was able to solo Cyberlord (and his summoned adds) on my Lvl 40 freeform on Elite no less. Had one faceplant, but got him on the second go. YMMV.
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In my followup, I noted that on my Level 40, I had no issues completing the fight against Cyberlord.
It was my Level 25 Force build that couldnt bring him down.
The big difference seems to be 2 things.
1. Someone in an earlier post noted that Cyberlord is not scaling properly. If this is true, that explains alot.
2. My Force build doesn't have any healing in it, and it seems everyone that beat him below Level 35, had a healing power of some sort.
If Cryptic confirms #1, then I will gladly retract my OP, and wait until the bug is fixed. If it is working as intended, then I might suggest that Cryptic look at how scaling works for thoswe below Level 30, because it's not working very well.
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I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
indeed.
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You may check on your own with a lvl 40 toon and a lvl 25 toon and you should notice that in both cases, Cyberlord HP is the same (no scaling).
It's unusual and noone can tell if it works as intended or if it's a bug but be aware of it nonetheless.