Bug list for July 11th 2013 Update.

theravenforce · July 2013

For Telepathy:

-The Login Screen ID's have reverted back to the Cryptic Login ID's instead of the PWE versions which made logging in easier as it remembered PWE login ID's. This bug has been around since the Bullet Bound For Biselle Open Mission was fixed on LIVE.

Mental Leech heals foes in PvP
These powers tooltips are a serious case of misrepresentation.
The fact that these powers do not proc TELEPATHIC REVERBERATION, is a stark reminder that they were not ready for LIVE.
Ego DoTs can be dodged using any means
The DoTs need more to be able to deal with resistances. The defense penetration does not work after the initial hit because the passive is on the player. If it was a debuff then it would allow for the damage to become penetrated but it isn't.
The debuffs cannot stack upon each other making multi telepath teams a simple case of refresh the stacks. Whilst stack refreshing can be done faster with two telepaths it is essentially the job of ONE telepath with high CD.
These stacks can be detonated by any one with Mind Break. <--Bad idea.

Please add to this list in subsequent posts.

gamehobo · July 2013

BUG:
Champions Online cannot afford a combat designer.

biffsmackwell · July 2013

That's a feature and you know it!

trailturtle · July 2013

Hmm. I'll pass these up the chain. The text issues, at least, should be fixed in the next update. Some of the other stuff may be design choices or problems that would take a little longer to fix, though. Thanks for posting these, I appreciate it.

theravenforce · July 2013

I guess then it is just one of those odd things then. I'd attribute it to the lack of effect ranking up has on both Mental Leech and Shadow of Doubt.

theravenforce · July 2013

Ego DoT's can be dodged. (Bug on Shadow of Doubt, Mental Leech and Mental Storm) Have not tested on Ego Sprites.

theravenforce · July 2013

Minor Bug: The Login Screen ID's have reverted back to the Cryptic Login ID's instead of the PWE versions which made logging in easier as it remembered PWE login ID's. This bug has been around since the Bullet Bound For Biselle Open Mission was fixed on LIVE.

theravenforce · July 2013

trailturtle wrote: »

Hmm. I'll pass these up the chain. The text issues, at least, should be fixed in the next update. Some of the other stuff may be design choices or problems that would take a little longer to fix, though. Thanks for posting these, I appreciate it.

It was my pleasure. Thanks for the response

blumoon8 · July 2013

Small bugs like those really should have been addressed. ._. Does kind of make it feel like someone upstairs said: NEXT. I can't test anything, I'm not subbed atm but good job keeping track. I'll just scurry off now since I'm not really helping this thread any xD

theravenforce · July 2013

blumoon8 wrote: »

Small bugs like those really should have been addressed. ._. Does kind of make it feel like someone upstairs said: NEXT. I can't test anything, I'm not subbed atm but good job keeping track. I'll just scurry off now since I'm not really helping this thread any xD

#PTSfeedbackpartlyignored.

I posted most of these bugs on the PTS ages back and they still made it in.

theravenforce · July 2013

Disconnect Update: Seems to be happening not only in MC, but also in the PH...odd..

chaelk · July 2013

do you want to enter Powerhouse? message does not appear.
only press z.
If you press z, it locks up the game

System] Banned command emote

emotes actually are banned now. Thats the message I got when I tried to use one.
just checked, they aren't banned in nevermind.

so what exactly was this maintencance supposed to do?

and apart from the telepathy stuffups, has the rimefire been fixed?
when I used it, the buffs were all mixed up and you got the wrong ones for-clingifre, frozen(whatever its called ) both and none.

I would check in the PH but I don't want to lock up my game again

atring · July 2013

Actually, for me, "Z" was the only way to interact. Clicking the "bar" wasn't working.

theravenforce · July 2013

Multiple players that are capable of stacking bleeds can stack more than 5 bleeds on a single target. I don't believe I've done a single Gravitar run with more than only one other player in it that was able to apply bleeds, so the most I've seen is 10.

We are not able to Rupture another player's bleeds. The only thing I can think of that someone may be able to benefit from another players' stacks of bleeds is if they were using Massacre (though I'm not even sure if that is true).
That being said, I'm sure there is no limit on the amount of stacks of bleeds a single enemy can take.

I'm not sure why the new Telepathy DoT's and Mind Break do not work the same way. It's common sense.

The above agrees with that I think.

You can argue that multiple instances of the debuff would be too much but that's pretty much utter "trite". These new powers are so bad I am yet to see another player who uses them outside of the PH apart from myself, as I have grown weary of waiting to play my main character.

Unless all in game stackable DoTs are capped at 5 or 4 and everyone can rupture or exploit each others stacks I maintain that this poor mechanic in place for Telepathy is a bug by design.

trailturtle · July 2013

I talked to GMC last night about the PvP-Dependency issue. He took a look at it, and apparently it's targeting Players instead of Allies -- should be a simple enough fix. Thanks for catching that.

I know some people mentioned that it was healing Cosmics as well, though. If that's the case, please get a screenshot or something so we can be sure. That would be a deeper and more bizarre bug.

heroicsinger · July 2013

theravenforce wrote: »

#PTSfeedbackpartlyignored.

#CrypticStandardPractice

trailturtle wrote: »

I talked to GMC last night about the PvP-Dependency issue. He took a look at it, and apparently it's targeting Players instead of Allies -- should be a simple enough fix. Thanks for catching that.

I know some people mentioned that it was healing Cosmics as well, though. If that's the case, please get a screenshot or something so we can be sure. That would be a deeper and more bizarre bug.

Isn't there ANYONE else who can do it.. he's done enough

theravenforce · July 2013

trailturtle wrote: »

I talked to GMC last night about the PvP-Dependency issue. He took a look at it, and apparently it's targeting Players instead of Allies -- should be a simple enough fix. Thanks for catching that.

I know some people mentioned that it was healing Cosmics as well, though. If that's the case, please get a screenshot or something so we can be sure. That would be a deeper and more bizarre bug.

Dependency no longer heals Cosmic Level Entities like Gravitar. Just tried it.

Results of Mentella vs Gravitar are as follows.

Gravitar deals 2329 (81969) Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

lmao.

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theravenforce · July 2013

gradii wrote: »

and you say the new powers suck.. apparently not. my tough tanks take slightly more damage than that. this does NOT make sense.

For the most part yes.

Buggy, some have bad FX and these DoTs can be dodged.

DPS wise they are viable.

chaelk · July 2013

trailturtle wrote: »

I talked to GMC last night about the PvP-Dependency issue. He took a look at it, and apparently it's targeting Players instead of Allies -- should be a simple enough fix. Thanks for catching that.

I know some people mentioned that it was healing Cosmics as well, though. If that's the case, please get a screenshot or something so we can be sure. That would be a deeper and more bizarre bug.

hey a new Pvp game, two teams. One attacks the cosmic. the other keeps healing it

lucasjackson · July 2013

theravenforce wrote: »

Dependency no longer heals Cosmic Level Entities like Gravitar. Just tried it.

Results of Mentella vs Gravitar are as follows.

Gravitar deals 2329 (81969) Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

lmao.

Nerf Telepathy?

theravenforce · July 2013

lucasjackson wrote: »

Nerf Telepathy?

lol impossibru!!

That Alert instance was seriously messed up. As soon as she was on her last legs it started kicking people out of the instance.

She had 3k HP left and it was just me. I got 1.5k Q and her necklace :eek:

And I'm not entirely sure HOW I survived that hit even with MD active. I've weathered worse on other toons but they had either Invuln/LR or PFF.

theravenforce · July 2013

Just a summary of things wrong.

[*]Mental Leech heals foes in PvP *FIXED*
[*]These powers tooltips are a serious case of misrepresentation.
[*]The fact that these powers do not proc TELEPATHIC REVERBERATION, is a stark reminder that they were not ready for LIVE.
[*]Ego DoTs can be dodged using any means
[*]The DoTs need more to be able to deal with resistances. The defense penetration does not work after the initial hit because the passive is on the player. If it was a debuff then it would allow for the damage to become penetrated but it isn't.
[*]The debuffs cannot stack upon each other making multi telepath teams a simple case of refresh the stacks. Whilst stack refreshing can be done faster with two telepaths it is essentially the job of ONE telepath with high CD.
[*]These stacks can be detonated by any one with Mind Break. <--Bad idea.

kittykaboomboom · July 2013

theravenforce wrote: »

For Telepathy:

- Rank 3 of both Shadow of Doubt and Mental Leech seem to have NO effect. (apart from CD redux) There is no damage increase at all.

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correction all THREE ranks of shadow of Doubt say the same thing, 25 per sec for 6 secs
same rec harge penalty same damage penalty

theravenforce · July 2013

kittykaboomboom wrote: »

theravenforce wrote: »

For Telepathy:

- Rank 3 of both Shadow of Doubt and Mental Leech seem to have NO effect. (apart from CD redux) There is no damage increase at all.

-).[/B]

correction all THREE ranks of shadow of Doubt say the same thing, 25 per sec for 6 secs
same rec harge penalty same damage penalty

Update: This supposedly has been fixed on PTS, I'll be testing it later to confirm.

kittykaboomboom · July 2013

ok tried shooting the weghts in PH,

shadow of doubt, says 31 per sec mental leech 24 per
gigantic 33 ..................... 25
maSSIVE 32 ........................ 24
MEDIUM 30 ................... 22
LIGHT 28 ....................... 25
(forgot to put spacers in, silly me, I thought normal spaces would work)

lets see them explain that, I shot the boxes becasue I was getting all diferent amounts on the same level dummy with one shot. not crits, normal damage

the weights supposedly have no defences, so how do they all take different damage. i shot each size in turn. If you do a group you get differing amounts too

flamingbunnyman · July 2013

I'm not interested in the telepathy powerset, so I haven't tested anything, nor will any changes to the set ever likely directly impact me. However, one thing I keep seeing:

theravenforce wrote: »

The debuffs cannot stack upon each other making multi telepath teams a simple case of refresh the stacks. Whilst stack refreshing can be done faster with two telepaths it is essentially the job of ONE telepath with high CD.

These stacks can be detonated by any one with Mind Break. <--Bad idea.

I like Single Blade. It's in my top three favorite sets. If I couldn't stack Bleeds because someone else had already put 5 on my target, or I couldn't maintain my Bleeds because someone else kept Rupturing them, I would be pissed off.

The stacks should be changed to be like Bleeds (and presumably Poison) in that each player has their own stack, and can only Detonate their own. If there's an issue with the debuffs stacking too much, make it like Aura passives and IDF, where stacks over a certain threshold have reduced effectiveness.

theravenforce · July 2013

flamingbunnyman wrote: »

I'm not interested in the telepathy power set........

If I couldn't stack Bleeds because someone else had already put 5 on my target, or I couldn't maintain my Bleeds because someone else kept Rupturing them, I would be pissed off.

The stacks should be changed to be like Bleeds (and presumably Poison) in that each player has their own stack, and can only Detonate their own. If there's an issue with the debuffs stacking too much, make it like Aura passives and IDF, where stacks over a certain threshold have reduced effectiveness.

This guy. Sees Sense.

Glad to hear another person agrees, perhaps with enough goading the devs can fix this issue.

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chaelk · July 2013

ok, Mental Leech also has the same amounts for rank1,2,3 at least listed. just like Shadow of Doubt
couldn't they at least write them in so we think that they do more damage

chaelk · July 2013

whoops I'll have to reload them.

no consistency at all

theravenforce · July 2013

gradii wrote: »

so basically you did mind break at the last moment and prayed.

No, I didn't even have time to fire off mind break fully charged for detonation. I piled on the DoT debuffs and she came running towards me and then I tapped Mind Break and she collapsed.

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theravenforce · July 2013

gradii wrote: »

so she didn't attack... I wish I had half that luck.

She tried to, but her attacks were on CD or something from my last debuffing so she came closer (within 100ft range) to use Force Yank on me, but thankfully I had 2 stacks of KB resist and debuffed and cracked her mind open

:cool:

theravenforce · July 2013

Update: Mental Leech (the power) is NERFING itself on LIVE. The heal value is decreasing itself.

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theravenforce · July 2013

gradii wrote: »

well if you still had a team the malaise and mental weakness would be useless. as its control effects, broken by damage.

Incorrect. Malaise and Mental Weakness are not broken by any damage and are NOT control effects, they are utility debuffs.

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wraithshadow13 · July 2013

Thank you for posting this thread, i've been wanting to get in and try the new powers out so it's good to be able to come to the forums and see an honest post about what's not working properly. STO and NW could use a few like this.

chaelk · July 2013

what? there's plenty of Pvp threads on NWo saying the game is broken becuase this class/power doesn't let me win easy.

theravenforce · July 2013

wraithshadow13 wrote: »

Thank you for posting this thread, i've been wanting to get in and try the new powers out so it's good to be able to come to the forums and see an honest post about what's not working properly. STO and NW could use a few like this.

My pleasure

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lucasjackson · July 2013

gradii wrote: »

btw please try to get in contact with tech support over your autoignore issue. its driving me crazy. I can't even send a friend invite to get around the bug.

also, I know next to zero HTML. IMO Primus database is needlessly user unfriendly, mind giving me some help/advice/instructions on how to use it? provided you can talk to me and I can talk back of course. :rolleyes:

It's standard Wikipedia stuff. You don't need to know or learn HTML to do it. Just find someone's page that you kinda like the style of, or if you see a particular thing that you want to copy (like making text bold, or making a headline), just hit the "View Source" tab on the top of the page, and see how they did it.

theravenforce · July 2013

gradii wrote: »

btw please try to get in contact with tech support over your autoignore issue. its driving me crazy. I can't even send a friend invite to get around the bug.

also, I know next to zero HTML. IMO Primus database is needlessly user unfriendly, mind giving me some help/advice/instructions on how to use it? provided you can talk to me and I can talk back of course. :rolleyes:

There are PLENTY of support pages regarding exactly how to build your desired PRIMUS page.

theravenforce · July 2013

lucasjackson wrote: »

It's standard Wikipedia stuff. You don't need to know or learn HTML to do it. Just find someone's page that you kinda like the style of, or if you see a particular thing that you want to copy (like making text bold, or making a headline), just hit the "View Source" tab on the top of the page, and see how they did it.

Just make sure if possible you get in contact with that person, as they may be able to help you with their style.

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theravenforce · July 2013

gradii wrote: »

know a particularly good one?

Help Page

Personally I am still working on my various character pages, updating them with text and other effects, however that page I have linked will help with colouring and the character boxes.

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theravenforce · July 2013

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Bug list for July 11th 2013 Update.

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