Kind of disappointing to look at the forums now... I get that most people are upset over the lack of content, but when it becomes all that you talk about with others, it gets other people down, too. I'm probably going to be lumped in with the cheerleader squad by saying this... But, I'm content with what I have right now. I can't do a whole lot to impact their executive decisions being where I am, so all can do is wait and hope for the best for now. I'm not saying you shouldn't have complaints. I'm just saying to cool off a bit. Too much negativity can be destructive and it could potentially crush this fanbase.
What? Alerts? Vehicles? Temporary events with 15 minutes of content each? These are the efforts to revitalize the game to bring back customers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
1) I am not a cheerleader. I detest what Cryptic has done with my favorite IP.
2) Just because you dont like them doesn't mean that they are not efforts to increase revenue.
3) It is not cheerleading to contradict ridiculous statements. There are very real, substantiated, problems with the game and Cryptic/PWE's handling thereof, you don't need to invent evidence for a personal agenda.
1) I am not a cheerleader. I detest what Cryptic has done with my favorite IP.
2) Just because you dont like them doesn't mean that they are not efforts to increase revenue.
They're half-assed attempts. Pitiful, in fact. People here are hungry for a new zone or the Foundry, and table scraps are allegedly suppose to bring back customers.
3) It is not cheerleading to contradict ridiculous statements. There are very real, substantiated, problems with the game and Cryptic/PWE's handling thereof, you don't need to invent evidence for a personal agenda.
I'm not inventing anything, and what's ridiculous is your attempt to defend the above ridiculous table scraps as "effort."
You are what I like to call a sucker. A chump. You wrap your lips around the funnel and swallow whatever bull**** comes from the other side. You'll even smile when they tell you it's chocolate.
This is your response translated:
"I dont like what she said but I cant think of anything intelligent to say so I'll say something stupid to troll and see what happens."
They're half-assed attempts. Pitiful, in fact. People here are hungry for a new zone or the Foundry, and table scraps are allegedly suppose to bring back customers.
I'm not inventing anything, and what's ridiculous is your attempt to defend the above ridiculous table scraps as "effort."
I am not defending anything. There is nothing to defend. You admit in this very post that they are attempts. You don't like the attempts. I (greatly) dislike the attempts. But they are attempts to increase revenue.
You invented evidence in the quoted section below.
Where's the updates?
where's the new classes?
Where's the cheap shop stuff?
where's the prestige classes?
why aren't they fixing all the bugs?
why aren't they stopping all the exploits?
why aren't they getting rid of the bots?
why aren't they fixing the server problems?
Free players don't spend money. Hence, "free". However, logging in costs the company money in terms of server resources and bandwidth. Therefore, every time they log in, they cost the company money. If they stop logging in, they stop costing the company money, and therefore, profits increase.
If they start spending money, then they offset those costs, and also increase profits. Probably by a greater amount.
But the ones that never spend a dime, and refuse to ever do so ("It's a free game, why should I pay for it?") decrease the bottom line.
_________________________________________________ @flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
You're right. I'm a Lifetime Subscriber. Therefore, every time I log into the game, I cost them money, but I am not currently paying anything extra, so I'm not adding revenue.
Look, I like the game. That's why I used a sizable portion of my tax return to buy that LTS. That's why I do buy Zen when I have a few extra bucks to do so.
But if I stop liking the game, for any reason, then I will stop playing the game, and certainly won't be paying for it any more. I cannot fathom the mindset of "If I keep paying, they'll eventually fix things!" The ARE fixing things, and have been all along - they have been adjusting things so that they get the most revenue possible for the least commitment, just like they have all along. As I said repeatedly before, giving them money tells them that they're doing it right, so why would they change their tack?
I don't care what you do with your money. If you want to continue rewarding PWE for making Cryptic do things you don't approve of, that's your prerogative. But let me ask you this: Do you HONESTLY think that you will convince them to change things?
_________________________________________________ @flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Free players don't spend money. Hence, "free". However, logging in costs the company money in terms of server resources and bandwidth. Therefore, every time they log in, they cost the company money. If they stop logging in, they stop costing the company money, and therefore, profits increase.
If they start spending money, then they offset those costs, and also increase profits. Probably by a greater amount.
But the ones that never spend a dime, and refuse to ever do so ("It's a free game, why should I pay for it?") decrease the bottom line.
Ah, okay, I was under the impression that you were refering to the paying players.
I'm beginning to think the cheerleader squad actually hates the game, as they keep telling everyone with legitimate complaints and concerns for the game to leave.
They even admittedly condone it:
Really? How petty of you. I think it's frankly folks like you that help drive customers away with that kind of attitude. I think if you quit, profits would increase.
What? Alerts? Vehicles? Temporary events with 15 minutes of content each? These are the efforts to revitalize the game to bring back customers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Of course, he's a Cryptic employee. He's trying to sell you the vehicles.
He's the community manager. It's his job to lie to us.
Pretty much.
Wow. The levels of irony, hostility and paranoia being displayed in this post alone would lead one think this were the EA forums or some equally ****ty hellhole like /v/. Keep up with the crazy though, I wouldn't want to "force" or tell you how to type.
Free players don't spend money. Hence, "free". However, logging in costs the company money in terms of server resources and bandwidth. Therefore, every time they log in, they cost the company money. If they stop logging in, they stop costing the company money, and therefore, profits increase.
If they start spending money, then they offset those costs, and also increase profits. Probably by a greater amount.
But the ones that never spend a dime, and refuse to ever do so ("It's a free game, why should I pay for it?") decrease the bottom line.
I think that there is a less readily quantified element though. Even those, "never gonna spend," players can add to the perception that the game has a thriving population which, from my experience, encourages those willing to spend money to do so.
The individual, "never gonna spend," player might not add anything to the game, but as a group they can. Add in the possibility that such players may bring in friends that will spend money and their value as players is muddied further.
I am not arguing the point that you have made here, someone who is not spending money on the game while playing it is costing the company money, but rather pointing out that there is more to the equation.
Wow. The levels of irony, hostility and paranoia being displayed in this post alone would lead one think this were the EA forums or some equally ****ty hellhole like /v/. Keep up with the crazy though, I wouldn't want to "force" or tell you how to type.
Free players are a resource, not a cost, and modern mmos have figured this out.
It's a mmo. Having other people to play and interact with makes your experience richer.
And a 'free player' is a potential customer, the more you draw them in and excite them about the game. With micro transactions you can get more money from people who might only be willing to buy $5 of stuff a month -- that's $5 you wouldn't be getting under a subscription.
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Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
Wow. The levels of irony, hostility and paranoia being displayed in this post alone would lead one think this were the EA forums or some equally ****ty hellhole like /v/. Keep up with the crazy though, I wouldn't want to "force" or tell you how to type.
Pffft, we could never be confused with /v/. We actually talk about video games here at least.
I am not defending anything. There is nothing to defend. You admit in this very post that they are attempts. You don't like the attempts. I (greatly) dislike the attempts. But they are attempts to increase revenue.
You invented evidence in the quoted section below.
He's the community manager. It's his job to lie to us.
Sometimes, my job is to spin. That's life. But if I ever thought that CO was in actual danger of shutting down? You'd know. I've invested too much in this game emotionally to be able to poker face something like that.
Also, this thread is getting way, way too heated, and I'm not going to have players flaming each other. Locked.
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1) I am not a cheerleader. I detest what Cryptic has done with my favorite IP.
2) Just because you dont like them doesn't mean that they are not efforts to increase revenue.
3) It is not cheerleading to contradict ridiculous statements. There are very real, substantiated, problems with the game and Cryptic/PWE's handling thereof, you don't need to invent evidence for a personal agenda.
He may be referring to bandwidth and such. I am not sure that the argument holds up though.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
They're half-assed attempts. Pitiful, in fact. People here are hungry for a new zone or the Foundry, and table scraps are allegedly suppose to bring back customers.
I'm not inventing anything, and what's ridiculous is your attempt to defend the above ridiculous table scraps as "effort."
This is your response translated:
"I dont like what she said but I cant think of anything intelligent to say so I'll say something stupid to troll and see what happens."
Try harder next time.
I am not defending anything. There is nothing to defend. You admit in this very post that they are attempts. You don't like the attempts. I (greatly) dislike the attempts. But they are attempts to increase revenue.
You invented evidence in the quoted section below.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Yes but after years of patience...ahg.
After rereading pretty much everyone makes good points and it's a fun read. But after looking at the op what the devil is fueling this?
Anyways to op:
I think we have one. Lordgar of team Lordgar.
Where is Brad Stokan in all of this? Did I miss something?
BS?
No no .. BS esta fuera
XD
No, Noooo Brad Stoken Mister, no es here...h-he's afuera... -Consuela
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Where's the updates?
where's the new classes?
Where's the cheap shop stuff?
where's the prestige classes?
why aren't they fixing all the bugs?
why aren't they stopping all the exploits?
why aren't they getting rid of the bots?
why aren't they fixing the server problems?
etc etc etc
and this is in beta.
Glad I'm not there
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Free players don't spend money. Hence, "free". However, logging in costs the company money in terms of server resources and bandwidth. Therefore, every time they log in, they cost the company money. If they stop logging in, they stop costing the company money, and therefore, profits increase.
If they start spending money, then they offset those costs, and also increase profits. Probably by a greater amount.
But the ones that never spend a dime, and refuse to ever do so ("It's a free game, why should I pay for it?") decrease the bottom line.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
You're right. I'm a Lifetime Subscriber. Therefore, every time I log into the game, I cost them money, but I am not currently paying anything extra, so I'm not adding revenue.
Look, I like the game. That's why I used a sizable portion of my tax return to buy that LTS. That's why I do buy Zen when I have a few extra bucks to do so.
But if I stop liking the game, for any reason, then I will stop playing the game, and certainly won't be paying for it any more. I cannot fathom the mindset of "If I keep paying, they'll eventually fix things!" The ARE fixing things, and have been all along - they have been adjusting things so that they get the most revenue possible for the least commitment, just like they have all along. As I said repeatedly before, giving them money tells them that they're doing it right, so why would they change their tack?
I don't care what you do with your money. If you want to continue rewarding PWE for making Cryptic do things you don't approve of, that's your prerogative. But let me ask you this: Do you HONESTLY think that you will convince them to change things?
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Ah, okay, I was under the impression that you were refering to the paying players.
I just went back and reread that post. You made a reasonable assumption, since I wasn't as clear as I meant to be.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Wow. The levels of irony, hostility and paranoia being displayed in this post alone would lead one think this were the EA forums or some equally ****ty hellhole like /v/. Keep up with the crazy though, I wouldn't want to "force" or tell you how to type.
I think that there is a less readily quantified element though. Even those, "never gonna spend," players can add to the perception that the game has a thriving population which, from my experience, encourages those willing to spend money to do so.
The individual, "never gonna spend," player might not add anything to the game, but as a group they can. Add in the possibility that such players may bring in friends that will spend money and their value as players is muddied further.
I am not arguing the point that you have made here, someone who is not spending money on the game while playing it is costing the company money, but rather pointing out that there is more to the equation.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Low blow... But ya got me.
It's a mmo. Having other people to play and interact with makes your experience richer.
And a 'free player' is a potential customer, the more you draw them in and excite them about the game. With micro transactions you can get more money from people who might only be willing to buy $5 of stuff a month -- that's $5 you wouldn't be getting under a subscription.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
We actually talk about video games here at least.
Go ahead, ignore the elephant in the room.
Sometimes, my job is to spin. That's life. But if I ever thought that CO was in actual danger of shutting down? You'd know. I've invested too much in this game emotionally to be able to poker face something like that.
Also, this thread is getting way, way too heated, and I'm not going to have players flaming each other. Locked.