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Hot off the presses, read and discuss amongst yourselves. Cryptic, take notes.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/15/a-mild-mannered-reporter-how-champions-online-could-get-its-gro/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/15/a-mild-mannered-reporter-how-champions-online-could-get-its-gro/
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I wish people would stop hungry-hippo keeping there broken stuff quiet and start shining the light on pressing exploits.
Eruption is granting permanent immunity to damage (God Mode), Boomerang Toss (the cone) is being exploited. These are game-breaking...and not enough people care about this?
It's a good report, but its a little thin and could do with including the other major problems (just as important as content, is some power-balance stability)
Especially since they never made a difference in the first place.
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Although, I think I have truly found the solution to all of the hard feelings. I spent some quality time in Neverwinter and its' Forums. Suddenly Champs doesn't seem so bad.
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Their forums are like their zone chat. Total nightmare. Way too many people around there.
Well, we know that, besides Trail Turtle, no one else on Cryptic reads or monitor this place
Maybe try putting it on Cryptics/Champions Facebook page?
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Yeah... opening comments are pretty damning. I see the link on one of the posts is to the compilation post (#17 I believe) on that 'Ask Cryptic Answers' thread where I compiled all of your ignored questions.
Like others have mentioned, there is literally nothing more that can be said when Cryptic-Studios act like they have been.
Interestingly Massively.com no longer get much communication from Cryptic-Studios, I believe their mutual channels of communication have been dried up for some time.
Its all an unnecessary shame and great pity - Champions-Online could of been a fantastic MMO with all that Hero Games Champions content. If only Cryptic would listen to and appreciate the Champions-Online playerbase.
But, little sympathy for them any more I'm afraid.
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You could make a million changes to the game but if you sell people the same old label that they walked away from in indifference, they won't buy any of the updates.
We can see this in all the 'new content'.
Over 3 million people have played this game, 'new content' is announced, spammed to e-mail accounts and still the MC population hovers between 150 and 500 (on a good day),
You can't put lipstick on a pig and sell the pig poop as beauty creme.
LegendOfVinnyT @simon3 :
"Agreed. The problems with Champions Online aren't technical, they're cultural.
I get the impression that NOBODY within Cryptic actually wants to work on CO anymore. From Jack Emmert on down, it's all STO and NW, with a little wistful nostalgia for City of Heroes on the weekends.
I sometimes wonder if STO and NW developers (which is to say ALL Cryptic developers) are under orders to not talk about CO? NW director Andy Velasquez tried to take credit for the Guardian Fighter's hold-Shift-to-block mechanic in an interview with Polygon, even though it's a core combat mechanic for all characters in CO. Dan Stahl and Jack Emmert have both spoken of splashy updates like Legacy of Romulus as the way Cryptic will release new content, but only in the context of STO and NW. CO certainly hasn't seen anything of the sort for about a year now, and no sign of it is on the horizon.
Meanwhile, the rarer-than-hen's-teeth Ask Cryptic @simon3 linked above was a bunch of "no" and "soon" answers to trivial questions, not to mention the hard questions that were ignored.
Honestly, I doubt Cryptic has any long term plans for CO, but they can't tell the players that because of the natural and well-deserved exodus that would result."
I wouldn't say that. They've interviewed Andy Velasquez, Dan Stahl, and :eek: Tom Edwards in the past month. Of course, Tom's half-assed "answers" were what sent Eliot down the "What's wrong with CO?" path he's been on ever since.
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Found the post where Breetoplay (Moderator and possibly editor in-chief?) at Massively.com mentions:
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"breetoplay moderatorMar 14, 2013
@ManastuUtakata That's putting it mildly!
@matixzun @simon3 Thanks for explaining all of that and indulging my curiosity there. We stopped getting press releases from Champs and the RSS feed stopped working a while back, so I'd started wondering why the game's outreach started to be shrinking. Guess there's no surprise it's shrinking on the inside too.
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From this article:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/03/13/a-mild-mannered-reporter-champions-online-lemurian-events-and/
And then there was what I think was their finest article to date:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/03/27/a-mild-mannered-reporter-so-whats-the-deal-with-champions-onli/
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Yeaaahhhh... That was me. (Don't follow that Twitter account unless you think barely-rational Pittsburgh sports fandom is as manageable as Gravitar force cascade spam.) (No, seriously. My Philadelphia Flyers hatred could one-shot Caliga.)
Maybe saying "nobody" wants to work on CO was hyperbolic, but I do believe they we're in a long wind-down, not on the verge of some great comeback. Cryptic doesn't have to spoil anything to tell us that we're getting meaningful content soon, so why stay silent? Because it's all bad news.
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Certainly we haven't done much press outreach, but I think we all know that there hasn't been a lot to reach out about. We've looked at the Races and a few other pieces of content, and ultimately we decided that they didn't have enough meat to really reach out about.
Whenever we have something we really want to brag about, trust me, we'll do it. We're always making sure that content gets publicity according to its scope.
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These need to be done under the banner of a "all new game". I like "World of Champions"
not to sound negitve, but there hasnt been anything to brag about this game in a very long time. the only time there was when vibora bay launched.
what i would like to know (i know you willo never answer my questions or concerns.) why hasnt jack or anyone from upper management even tried to come in here. to even ease our concerns about this game, and why we have been consentily been put on the back burner with actual content and the foundery. its time to be honest with us.
dont you think we desirve atleast that much?
Releasing the same game under a different more popular sounding name with more limitations to game play and character creation is deception at its finest. That's why we have STO and NWO.
What this game needs is a studio that won't ruin the chance at expanding its horizons by blowing the money it makes on an unrelated project. The FtP launch numbers being the prime example.
So Resistance, Aftershock, Whiteout, and the immediate On Alert Launch means nothing? (excluding the decimation of PvP and not following up on the new system thanks to PWE's order to delay NWO's release for a year to change it into a PW kind of g̶a̶m̶e̶ bore fest.)
We've known the answers to that since Whiteout's "failure".
Frankly, the F2P model doesn't work right now for the game. The best parts of the game are locked behind subscription, and there's no way to balance ATs to get on par with Freeforms.
So offer the game you created but make cash choices more attractive.
I realise its a case (from Cryptic-Studio's point of view) that its a case of 'no news' and no press communication because there has been so little development - but WHY has there been so little development?, - I think everyone reads between the lines here Trailturtle and realises this anyway.
The fact that when Cryptic did reach out for communication with your playerbase with the last 'Ask Cryptic' - fifty people asked the same roundabout question and Cryptic-Studios completely blanked them.
Take a look at that linked post (#17) on that 'Ask Cryptic Answers' thread where I compiled this community's ignored questions - we were all asking the same thing and Cryptic couldn't see fit to give us an answer. Have you any idea how damaging that is to your community?, how revealing that is to all the MMO press that have read it?.
Seriously Cryptic, this community is withering, the game is dying and your reputation is being badly tarnished with your neglect of Champions-Online - and PWE/Cryptic are still neither communicating with the community nor even alluding whether or not you are going to put any effort and investment into the title to save this game.
If the executive team there at Cryptic (not the Devs, the PWE/Cryptic executive team) are not aware of just how bad things are (and I honestly don't know how they can not be) but if they are unaware and how badly a game being left to rot reflects on the company as a whole, I sincerely hope Trailturtle that you forward some emails up to Jack Emmert and Co and make them aware of it.
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Give it time. One good exodus worth of time.
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We need more content, new zones, more content, new powers, more content, more costume options, more content, phasing environments and more content. After you level your first character to 40 you have to run Alerts or the same missions over again. And I know that you get to pick the desert or Canada at 15, but as a lifer, I?ve already done those as well.
But as has been stated here so very often, all we get is no response from the devs or worse, new and different lock boxes.
Lots of people = lots of money = real development. Id say a crowded forum is worth a game getting actual content.
If Neverwinter has Cryptic's A team ...
And they're in the midst of a "no-wipe" beta with some lulzy bad exploits gone horribly public ...
What do you think would happen if Cryptic unleashed its C team over here?
Doesn't make what I said any less true. Topics fly by like crazy. Would not want to be a moderator over there.
Your post that I quoted didnt say anything about moderation, you said there were "too many people over there". And my response is there is no such thing as "too many people", for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post. Champions is currently suffering because it has too few people. I'll happily take the alternative. If you want to talk about moderation thats fine, but I was just replying to what you actually said, not what you didnt say.
Cryptic only has two teams. NWO and STO teams. Yeah. Meta.
seconded, i am really sick and tired of the beating around the bush this game hasn't had anything good added to it since vibora.
i think its time to come clean, or ship out and be done with it, get someone from upper management here to tell us what is going on with this game.
because if they don't and are too cowardly to at LEAST be honest with us, then its pretty much a given that the game is doomed to fail
The Nemesis system needs fixing and here's ideas:
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My point here is, if I want to be a part of some online comunity, I have nowhere else to go. And I don't want to go, I liked it here before PWE took over. Give me back my game, you corporate leeches!
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Not the publishers fault bro, like I said in another thread, you can rage at iTunes all you wan't deadmau5 still writes the songs.
So its in Cryptics hands to develop the things we need, PWE has a dev team in china, but thats it, that chinese dev team doesn't have any say so over what gets put into Champions, so if it seems like your favorite band has been slow with releasing albums blame the band not wal-mart.
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Isn't PWE based in California (not too terribly far from Cryptic as I recall) ?
And, Walmart doesn't own the band as PWE does Cryptic. We have been told by Cryptic employees that they had to ask PWE about the possibility of making modifications to aspects of Cryptic's games.
Cryptic did not intend for NWO to be an MMO, PWE directed its release be delayed so that it might be made so.
Ultimately PWE owns Cryptic and Cryptic's games completely. PWE has absolute say over what goes into Cryptic's games. They may not choose to exercise their prerogative at all times, but it is their decision and their say.
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Now, it's pretty obvious that other PWE titles have more active developers but if Cryptic is not as active as other PWE underlings, it's up to PWE to force such change.
If PWE doesn't care then Cryptic management will not start to care of their own as well.
There are easy ways to improve this game if they were willing to put Devs here and do some work.
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You know, I decided to try something different, so I started a toon and I'm playing without any recourse to alerts--just pure missions, story arcs and such--and I'm really enjoying it. I find myself dreading the day that I hit 40 and get gear.
I used to while away (that is the original and grammatically correct phrase) the time in CoH after I hit 50 plus IO's and Incarnate powers soloing simple 4/8 set radio missions and Astoria arcs because of two things--the stories were good and I had to know what I was doing and would die if I messed up--not only if I stopped fighting back and was patient enough.
If I saw someone doing to a puppy what they are doing to this game, I wouldn't stop punching till they put me in jail.
You're mistaking "publisher" with "distributor." iTunes is a distributor of published works.
PWE does call the shots, or at least that's what I believe. I'm very skeptical that PWE just bought Cryptic and left them to remain autonomous. If that were the case, they wouldn't have delayed Neverwinter for a year after the acquisition. That was a PWE move.
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Posi actually just finished up some freelance work on the Klingon Tutorial to go along with the Romulan expansion on STO.
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I swear I would sell my blood to help fund a kick-start for Posi to start his own company as long as he promised to keep a Superhero mmo as one of his major projects at all times.
Or...
Jack could just get his head out of his butt and hire Matt to head up the new CO team and then sit back and enjoy the success of ONE OF THE OLDEST AND MOST VENERABLE IP'S THAT SHOULD NOT BE TREATED LIKE THIS!!!
I played D&D and Champions growing up, and I would like 5 minutes--just 5 minutes--to sit across a campaign table from Jack and look him in the eye and say "Champions... CHAMPIONS!?! After all of those hours of joy being able to BE your own superhero because of THIS GAME, you chose to throw CHAMPIONS to the wolves?!?"
And I'm afraid he'd say, "yep, that's the biz."
You know, the only thing I can put it down to is complete and terminal lack of enthusiasm for the superhero MMO genre by Cryptic-Studios - the very genre that made their studio's fortunes.
How can you have the good fortune to be in the position of hiring the guy responsible for running and evolving the most successful Superhero MMO of all time - and fail to assign him to turn-around their ailing Champions-Online!?..... i don't even....
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which could be a good thing actually (looks at Tencent's Monster Hunter Online)
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I would finally take the plunge and download that Origin and spyware of theirs, than continue with PWE/Cryptic doing what theyre doing now...if it means someone....ANYONE with the ability to update this game would come and do so.
I'm sorry, I really respect the Mild-Mannered Reporter, but that last part is one of the worst suggestions I've heard so far. :rolleyes:
The guy does think being able to choose 8 powers and what rank they are going to be is a bit too much for character customization. Or he doesn't understand how simple specializations are.