That explains why you are so sensible here and seemed so unreasonable there. :P I ignored microman almost 8 months ago, so this has nothing to do with meowing. However, if you'd ignore someone just for using a macro, then I wouldn't want to talk to you anyway.
I ignored whoever used that account because he QQ'd after I won a duel. I beat him before I started using an aura again, yet he was a real jerk so I blocked him. I haven't seen your bio. I typically don't care to read bios---most are just recycled RP nonsense about vampires or some mystical things---so I have no idea about that. I don't use any of those n00by powers so I can't blame you there. :P
I digress. b00m____RAAWR!!! >^..^<
Well i wouldn't ignore anyone for using an emote by itself, no. But, i can see why others would. People get upset at the silliest things now a days. But, being mean and rude to others? Yes, i would ignore that person.
And the story about the loss and being a jerk was not how i remember it...as a matter of fact there was very little disagreement at all. Like i said, it's been a while. But i remember it more like being upset about melee losing it's damage and knock powers, and stating that fact out loud, and had nothing to do with a duel.
And i remember being yelled at then ignored. Around that time, i changed my account over to a friend because of my disgust with what had been done to melee.
I really don't remember having a heated battle with you over anything serious, imo.
Not my style really, unless provoked.
Matter of fact i don't think i have ever fought you. So...you might have the wrong guy in your cross heirs. (ignore)Anyway, i have no ill will to wards you. If it makes you feel better to remember me as a jerk or whatever that's your deal, not mine. Whatever happened back then has no bearing on today imo.
I have a good memory, so I know that microman was being a jerk. I know it wasn't you doing that because you just explained that to me already. Anyone who ends up on my ignore list either was being a jerk to somebody or they were spamming. I never said it was a "heated battle." Microman just said something really rude to me after I won, so I blocked him.
I didn't know there were two people using that account until you told me here.
After a duel I give people a chance to either say gg or qq. :P If they qq they'll most likely get blocked, depending on the severity.
You care so hard that you lie about fighting people and winning.
lol... I never said I didn't care about anyone. If I didn't I'd never kick you in yer b0lloX. =P See, I knew you were the one trolling me and not the other way around. After your second reply, I just gave up on you and almost everything you said went in one ear and out the other. I reply to everyone else as normal, unless it's some know-it-all.
This made LOL so hard. It's a shame it's written wrong. The correct way it should be written is:
"I rage. I don't make others rage".
You are the single most farmed player I have ever seen in CO. The funniest is when you are in bash farming ATs (because those are the only players that your lame builds can kill) and I join and kill you and you say some random rage comment and quit bash instantly after 1 death. Then you try to hide your rage behind "meow"'s and other emotes in Ren Centre. If you spent less time raging and trolling and more time learning how to play, maybe you'd be somewhat mediocre at PvP and/or people might take your posts more seriously.
If you people who are doing this keep lying about me I'm just going to have to start recording you. I didn't want to have to do this, because I consider it to be 'hitting below the belt,' but your intellectual dishonesty and outstanding arrogance have forced my hand. How's that for backing up my "claims?"
This doesn't apply to everyone so quit getting so uptight about everything. :P
I've beaten the entire hive of min/max copytards at their own game, 10:0 multiple times and I have done exceptionally well on a consistent basis without exploiting or using n00by powers, I've been chased around BASH constantly with 8 ranged trolls with their broken devices and their hack builds with broken devices, and they silenced me multiple times just for telling the truth about their stupid "antics" and debunking their flawed perception of this game.... It's only when multiple people sometimes 5 at a time attacked only me that my performance started to drop, which is understandable for this game. I hardly need a legion of overpowered copytrolls and elitist "oldbies" try to tell me about this game.
Yet no matter how many times they fail a shadow strike with a whole team trying to help them it's still not enough proof to them that they have no idea what they're talking about. No, of course not. It's just me and I'm just "bragging." If I sound a little harsh, it's because I'm annoyed with their stupidity and tired of being silenced for no real reason.
If you think I'm lying about these things then you have no idea what you're talking about and you have no evidence to back up your biased claims. I know bradley is just a dumb teenyboopper and nothing he says is based on reality. I wanted to be more civil about this but some of you guys have crossed the line.
If any of you told me you did x I'd assume you are right about your abilities and falsify before thinking it's impossible. I have no reason to lie about one of you just because I feel threatened. Fallacy doesn't constitute falsification.
I've beaten the likes of him enough times to prove to myself that I know what I'm doing. I don't care about proving it to you, and I doubt brad would even understand the explanation, based on my previous arguments with him.
I don't care about winning in pvp, but I do care about being harassed by lying sociopaths who try to mask their ignorance.
While I didn't like Xenomorph Drone I can see now why he got so annoyed with some of you people and your elitism; and the fact that his posts usually made the most sense here while those from others were often either not accurate enough or complete fallacy makes all the thugs who post here seem even worse.
skipped most of what he says... time to clean up his puke
This guy started playing as a blade archetype and he harassed people beating up on people who were weaker, and when he got beat up, he'd complain about stupid stuff. "heal spam" and blah blah, any excuse to say he didn't lose. I turned off my heals, still nuked him. I happened to walk back to the ren center after playing an adventure pack, only to hear that he had been harassing other players and gloating like the ignorant little kid he is.
Then one day he was able to make freeforms and (yup you guessed it) somebody gave him a copybuild, and then he started doing all the things he complained about, and using the lamest powers. When I told him about people who invented those builds, he had no idea who they were or why he doesn't understand his hand-me-downs.
Now every build he's used since then has still been a cliche "elite pvp" copybuild; even Cryptic's Blade archetype wasn't his idea; and his stupid gimmicks and exploits don't work anymore.
He's just another teenybopper with minimal talent and a lot of arrogance. I'm hardly going to let someone who is so mentally incoherent and incapable of original thought try to tell everyone what I am, especially when he needs 7 other people to set up 1 kill for him and fail multiple times trying to do it, and then he lies about it.
If you think I'm lying about this then you have no idea what you're talking about and you have no evidence to back up your biased claims. I know what I saw since I was there and I remember everything that happened and all the evidence suggests that this guy is just a "troll" whether you're aware of it or not.
If any of you told me you did x I'd assume you are right about your abilities and falsify before thinking it's impossible. I have no reason to lie about one of you just because I feel threatened.
I've beaten the likes of him enough times to prove to myself that I know what I'm doing. I don't care about proving it to anyone else, and I doubt he'd even understand the explanation, based on my previous arguments with him.
Alright Yuko ("OH EM GEE. HE KNOWS MY REAL NAME. WTF? :O), lets get a few things straight since you're already a proven liar (just ask malware lol).
1) I never "picking people who were weaker than me" as a blade, I fought everyone from Archetypes to Freeforms. I usually was fighting FFs like blinky and soulstrike on my blade (and yes I can prove that, not that I need to). I lost MANY times, and at first yeah I did complain, but that was because I didn't know better since I was only a week or 2 into the game and didn't know the imbalance of powers. I however have beaten MANY FFs on my blade. It's actually funny you mention this because my blade AT is the only toon of mine you have ever beaten, and you beat it with your FFs. Congrats on the win though, I bet you feel pretty proud of killing an under 5k HP blade. Like i said in my previous post, all you can kill is ATs.
2) Ever since the day I went freeform, you have NEVER defeated ANY OF MY FFs. I mean how could you, I've been on your ignore list since August of 2012. If you don't remember, let me paint a vivid picture for you. We dueled 3 times that day. First duel I won, said "gf" and you proceeded to make your usual rage comment about my build. You then came back and dueled me a second time, where I 1-shotted you through teleport. You raged harder. Finally, you dueled me a third time in the attempt to troll me with evasive and teleport, but I once again 1-shotted you through them and you raged and ignored me. You go around raging and talking smack about me because you cant handle the losses you suffer because of me in bash. I need no proof of this as everyone who knows me or has PvPed with me knows how hard you rage in bash when I kill you. Oh, and there's more (shocking!), I hope you still remember the time a few weeks ago when a friend of mine joined CO, you said to him "I guess I have to show you what a newb shag really is", and unignored me for a duel. Do you remember? If not, let me refresh your memory. You kited the whole duel against my MELEE (about 5-10min), while I stood still and only attacked you to maintain my 8 stacks. I remained still in the middle the whole fight, knowing your builds never do any real damage. You lunged in to attack, I 1-shotted you to oblivion and your exact words were "finally, took you long enough". Playing it off as if you weren't RAGING like a wild monkey inside.
That was to set the record straight since you are already a proven liar who lies about beating people shes never dueled or has lost to. (read other threads/posts to confirm). Now in terms of the rest of your pointless post, all I will say is this:
I am most likely older than you are, considering you are either still in high school or early college and attend the same school Rylo does. Considering I am done college and am a working professional, the "teenybopper" comment is out the window.
I won't say anything in regards to my "talent" and just let my PvPing speak for itself. I will reiterate however that you have NEVER ONCE beat any of my FF characters in 1vs1 and all you have done is tagged kills in bash when a lot better PVPers have killed me.
Now for my final point. It's probably your attitude, behavior, and comments like the one you made above that have made you a laughing stock in Champions Online. You are nothing but a joke to us all. No one takes you seriously, and we all farm you in PVP. I mean, you have 2 gold accounts you pay for just to be able to talk to yourself because no one else does (except your best friend rylo). You only care about your own opinions (right or wrong) and anyone who disagrees with what you have to say, you ignore them or proceed to troll them. You say you don't care about winning but you rage so hard when you lose its quite hilarious. Saying comments like "LOL you're all nerds" or "takes 5 of you dorks to kill me, just proves I'm the best". You call this behavior not caring? LOL, get real kid.
I honestly don't even know why you still insist on participating in the PVP community when it's quite evident NO ONE likes you (okay, maybe a FEW). You should stop paying for your PVP account @katasyntax and just stick to playing your PVE toons on @liquiddata. You certainly have a completely different attitude on that one.
the end
(apologies to all except lucy for the post being on the long-winded side, but I felt I needed to get all points across)
P.S. I love how you changed your post after I posted this. good thing i got your original post quoted .
Nesno was only annoyed (outright pissed even) at the devs crashing the PvP of this game on the ground, he welcomed with open arms any form of opposition because it gave something to do. He never admitted it, or rarely, but he liked the main faces of Spectre, and Dark Crusade. To appreciate the guy, you had to come on Vent, this time was the best part of the PvP most of us ever experienced, it's already been more than one year ago. Don't even try to shield yourself behind him.
Besides if you have better things to do than talking with us 'thugs' you wouldn't be here writing essays to say that you look badass and that others are not. Everyone knows that you don't do what you say you're doing, we've all had a piece of the truth (aswell as some laughs). You shouldn't play mindlessly with the word 'ignorant' and 'liar', even you don't get to believe what you're saying in there.
And besides, you are a couple of years late for all of this BUT, I can send a piece of your own text back to you, maybe you'll listen to yourself if you refuse to do so with others. Here:
Have you ever considered the possibility that there is a good reason why I don't like you? Of course you haven't. Pretty soon the population will be nearly zero and then there will be plenty of room for you and your ego.
I don't need such a ridiculous "explanation" when you haven't a clue of what I'm referencing... and I have no particular interest in any one of your beloved "elites"; and as you can see it makes no difference that you know my characters since I was the one dropping plenty of breadcrumbs for the blind pigeons who wandered aimlessly and then took months to reach 75% certainty, and that claim still remains unproven.
Nevertheless I'll give you what you asked for since you started messing with my account. That way you and other midgets like brad here will be humiliated properly.
The sad part is I doubt you'll even understand the evidence or why I'm even bothering to upload it, and in the end you still won't be able to accurately state what claims I made about each topic (if there ever were any) and why it's supposedly incorrect. So we'll get to watch you weasel your way out of it.
Then after all this I'll still have to deal with a swarm of them biting at my ankles while I'm just trying to have fun simply because I used a better strategy.
I don't need such a ridiculous "explanation" when you haven't a clue of what I'm referencing... and I have no particular interest in any one of your beloved "elites"; and as you can see it makes no difference that you know my characters since I was the one dropping plenty of breadcrumbs for the blind pigeons who wandered aimlessly and then took months to reach 75% certainty, and that claim still remains unproven.
Nevertheless I'll give you what you asked for since you started messing with my account. That way you and other midgets like brad here will be humiliated properly.
The sad part is I doubt you'll even understand the evidence or why I'm even bothering to upload it, and in the end you still won't be able to accurately state what claims I made about each topic (if there ever were any) and why it's supposedly incorrect. So we'll get to watch you weasel your way out of it.
Then after all this I'll still have to deal with a swarm of them biting at my ankles while I'm just trying to have fun simply because I used a better strategy.
I am not giving an explanation, just merely transforming your wild imagination int reality and letting people who you are so desperately trying to seek the approval of (its obvious by you going out of your way to explain every reply to every post you make) know what the facts of the situation are.
You put so much effort in each post explaining your actions when in reality, i doubt 99% of people on here and in the community as a whole care the slightest bit about what you have to say or your opinion on anything. I certainly don't. You are a proven liar and have NO CREDIBILITY whatsoever in the PVP community. Also, what's funnier is the fact that you paint these farfetched lies and stories for people in PvE to try and get them "on your side" because you don't know the truth about you and you care too much. I will continue to make you rage day after day in bash (if you choose to join) and just laugh at your raging comments and excuses of why you lost/died. Thanks for the laughs from your posts, it was a funny yet failed attempt to troll.
And in regards to you recording all your bashes in attempts to prove you can kill me and others like myself, I invite you to come in bash and record as much as you'd like. You'll probably be recording A LOT of fail videos though, because the day you win a bash when I, or any of rest of the PVP community (not AT or RP PVP) are in there with you, is the day Michael J. Fox comes to a stand-still. (without meds)
I bet your zero subscribers can't wait for your lies to fail.
BTW bradd, NEVER mention my name in your comments. As far as I'm concerned, you are no better than lucy. You are both equally newbs.
LOL looks like you're still mad from the old days, that's a shame. Too bad you "only duel friends" now . No hard feelings though mal. Hope to see you in bash sometime
I've been farming you for months, so I'll remember this as your famous last words. Pretty soon we'll see if you're capable of thinking on your own.
The revolution WILL be televised. >^..^<
LOL? you farmed s3rju for months? That's HILARIOUS since he doesn't PVP 99% of the time and I have NEVER seen him in bash or talk about any sort of participation. So again, you are talking out of your bunghole.
Your concept of "old days" =3 months ago. Further evidence of your newbiness.
Shut your mouth newb.
Yep, you're mad. So you got farmed in bash for a bit. Get over it and stop QQing. lol raging about it now doesn't change the past. It's okay, your attempt to troll me is fail. You can unignore me to duel me to try to make me shut my mouth if you'd like, I'd love to see that! Until then, I'll keep talking all I want. kthx BAI!
Yep, you're mad. So you got farmed in bash for a bit. Get over it and stop QQing. lol raging about it now doesn't change the past. It's okay, your attempt to troll me is fail. You can unignore me to duel me to try to make me shut my mouth if you'd like, I'd love to see that! Until then, I'll keep talking all I want. kthx BAI!
Huh? No. You're the fail copybuilder who tried stealing my builds. Nice try on looking tough, though (just like Lucy tries.)
I recall farming you, and you spending entire matches fleeing. You only did damage when you had others outnumbered at least 5 to 1.
Huh? No. You're the fail copybuilder who tried stealing my builds. Nice try on looking tough, though (just like Lucy tries.)
I recall farming you, and you spending entire matches fleeing. You only did damage when you had others outnumbered at least 5 to 1.
Again with the fail trolling. You mean the pes defile LA build that SOULSTRIKE made way before you, that I tried out after I saw you using it? yes, I for sure stole it from YOU. LOL (sarcasm). You make me laugh. Of course I got farmed, by you and 3 or 4 of your friends when I was the only one in bash. You should go check out the videos of you getting farmed and refresh your memory. Do you have any videos of me getting farmed by you alone? Didn't think so. Yes, we farmed you 5/6/7 vs 1 sometimes, but hey, paybacks a biatch Man, I thought lucy raged hard but you're on a whole other level. LOL.
In fact, you are trash. Not worth even recording duels with, because you are a newb not worth the effort.
Oh and I enjoyed when you got kicked out of Altered Egos, you know, cuz you're a ****stick.
Ha, words of anger always amuse me. If I am trash, it must make you worse than trash to let yourself get farmed by me.
You realize I was in Dark Crusade when I joined Altered Ego's right? They wanted me to quit DC on my alts and join AE on all my alts and I refused, so I got kicked. Nothng to do with you or anything you did or said. I can get an invite into AE right now if that's what I wanted since times have changed.
Anyway, I'm done reminiscing about the past with you, you can rage and troll all you want, won't change the fact you got farmed by a "trash" player. :P If you ever feel like you're tired of hiding behind forum posts, you can come and duel me anytime.
As a competitive gamer for over 15 years, I would like to step in here and give some perspective. I know what it takes to win, I know what it's like to lose to a better player, to have an extremely challenging game where the win/loss is barely achieved while your heart pounds in your chest as that last bullet flies out of your gun and into their head; sweat dripping from the side of your head in relief.
With that said, I have chosen one particular person whose statement epitomizes what is wrong with most competitive gamers. To note: these competitive gamers are probably not true competitive gamers. A lot of pro gamers actually know the difference between playing for fun and playing for tournament prizes/acclaim. Fun is usually the last thing on the list of reasons to go pro.
Troll fail. Did lolucy send you here? Competitive gaming is competitive. Winning in PvP is the point.
Actually, the point is to have fun.
Somewhere along the lines, lost people forget that video games are actually about fun, not winning.
FYF (Facts you forgot)
1) Yes, you can have a blast losing when it's a great fight.
2) Fun comes from playing the game, not from winning the game. It's sad when people forget this. It's also sad when people have this perspective, as that is a big reason why game design "gets ruined" or does not get the attention it deserves. People's perspectives skew erroneously to think that winning, not playing, is what casual competition is about.
3) A sense of accomplishment, not fun, comes from winning the game. Arguably, you casually compete in a video game to have fun. If fun was conditioned on winning, then you'd have no fun until the very end, in which you'd have a large burst of fun after you won. This would suck if true, as it would equate to 1 second of fun for 10-120 minute games. Reiterated: It is another feeling, SEPARATE OF FUN, that you get when you win or lose. The sum total fun of the entire game played is greater than any fun associated with this momentary feeling.
4) Your current state of emotion does not dictate if you had fun with the game as a whole. To the emotionally undeveloped, it may feel like it, but it is simply not true. Example: I have played competitively, and will be the first to tell you I can have fun for the first 20 minutes, be miserable with no fun for the last 20, and end a competition winning with a sense of accomplishment (kind of like a confidence boost, or receiving a compliment- but certainly NOT like having fun) or losing with increased frustration/misery. Likewise, I have won competitions where I had next to no fun the entire time because it was too easy or too frustrating, with the win feeling empty or me questioning why I even play if I'm not having fun. I have lost competitions with more fun than most wins give me, due to the challenge and positive personality or equality of skill of my opponent.
5) If winning in competitive gaming truly is important to you, then either....
5a) You are competing for a prize, acclaim, etc. A professional tournament where winning means more than a video game, more than fun, more than enjoyment. Your self-esteem needs to win, your wallet wants the money, your shelf wants the prize. This goes beyond gaming, beyond fun, beyond even competitive PvP. This becomes an entirely different event. The lines begin to blur, and soon diminish all together as you go from a video game to a job. This same psychological event could also explain when people go from playing for fun, to "grinding for gear". In the interest of fun, this is a disaster.
5b) You are a lost, confused person, who seems to have forgotten the healthy way to approach video gaming. You have lost perspective on fun, and most likely don't enjoy yourself at the same level as people who play games for fun, not for winning. While you may immediately want to argue, "LOL, I have more fun competing than I ever do as a sissy PvE carebear!" you need to pause and look as to why. Most likely, playing against human opponents is infinitely more challenging than the predictable and often moronic PvE A.I. This alone adds a big fun element to PvP.
In the process though, if you have any competitive edge or competitive nature to your inner self, it is EXTREMELY easy to forgo fun for winning. Example: You start off as your dream superhero, a life-draining super strength masked avenger! Entering PvP, you find that your build is entirely gimped. This is not fun at all, as the game is entirely unfair, and even if you are better than others, the gap in balance can make it to where you go 1:1 and are nothing like your normal (victorious) self. You sacrifice that life-draining because you read up on how it is gimp, and go with a power set that still sticks with your character (well...kindof right?!) that helps you out. You begin to win more, but...that competitive edge inside you screams at you: "WE CAN DO BETTER, MY PRECIOUS!"
Soon you find yourself with a vague representation of what you once wanted to be. A superhero cocktail of powers that resembles a Frankenstein monstrosity more than the shadow of what you once were. You win most games, but at what cost? You have ruined the fun, not only for yourself, but for everyone else involved. If you truly saw your actions (in relation to the fun you could be having if the game or playerbase were more balanced) the image of your character you view in the mirror would haunt you. Then you would realize as you achieved victory over a gimped build: they too will become a monstrosity, perpetuating the circle of appeasement to "the goal" of winning.
I'm sorry, but unless it's a niche tournament with only a handful of pro players with extremely large tournament prizes, it is "just a competition, dude." Get real, and stop playing to win. The sooner you play to have fun, the more fun you will be having AND the more satisfying your wins will be. Winning is a lot more fun when you win the way you want to win, as opposed to winning because you tilted the scales of balance in your favor. In competitive terms, "Win because of your SKILL, not because of your exploitative knowledge of balance." Although in a broken system, especially in a MMORPG, the former often becomes the latter.
"The sum total fun of the entire game played is greater than any fun associated with this momentary feeling."
I should have preceded that statement with, "For a healthy person,"
There are individuals who actually "live to win" because their self-esteem needs the win. They play to feel better about themselves, not to have fun.
If the reason you are playing is not for fun, but for satisfaction to a low self-esteem, then no one should condemn you for playing to win. After all, no one can say that video games are ONLY for fun. They can be great counseling tools to help our psychological health.
However, if you are a healthy individual, you should be having the most fun throughout the entire process, not only at the end. I'd argue someone's psychological health if they literally could not have fun without winning. (I am not talking about being steamrolled, as there is no fun in extremely unfair conditions. There is however, fun in challenging fights. Losing CAN and often SHOULD be fun.)
Of course, I believe most people DO enjoy playing the game even when they lose. I believe it's actually a lie for the sake of supportive argument that people state, "I play to win" or "The point is to win." They simply cannot articulate better points or have no real argument to support their belief in winning because it is unhealthy or confused, forgetting that the point is (or at least, once was) to have fun.
I'd love to give people perspective and show them that winning is not everything. I win 99% of games I play of any genre. I top scoreboards in literally every game I play. (Note I said scoreboards for that particular instance of a game, NOT leaderboards. My time is not infinite, and I do not cheat to get ahead.) I have frustrated others before to the point of them leaving, which makes me realize I did something wrong. I also have kicked people from servers I own because they were too good for those playing. (Example: One time I kicked someone from Monday Night Combat who was significantly better than even me, because 31 players in the server were having no fun. His allies couldn't get a single kill, and most of his enemies couldn't live for very long. I was not good enough to keep him off my team, or I was placed on his team as well. After kicking him, 30 players cheered, thanked me, and the game was then fun for everyone. I explained to the guy and apologized to him, but he was a grade-A a-hole in response before I kicked him. This was all after I asked him nicely to switch to a less overpowered class.) Ever since, I have learned that if I am doing too good, I need to handicap myself to make it more fun for everyone involved. Easy wins are not fun for me. Heck, even medium wins are not very fun. It's very hard for me to play without gimping myself at least somehow.
Balance among player skill is important. That is why I often go after the best on the enemy team, so my allies can have more fun playing against people their skill level. I get a lot of gratitude when I take out and focus on a player who is getting K/D ratios of 30:1 or more.
This is why I never understood the moronic decision of Call of Duty developers to give extremely powerful abilities for kill streaks. If you're winning, they give you the means to win even further. Giving good players even more power is like a MOBA game- it snowballs. Soon it is irrelevant if your enemy is as good as you, as even if they are better they stand no chance due to your snowballing character. In reality, the best design would reward bad or unlucky playing with rewards. Giving the worst players more power, as opposed to rewarding the best players. This design would provide more challenge for the best players (thus more fun, more rewarding victories) and more fun for the worst players (more balance against better players).
That is because while the point of the game is to play to have fun, and losing SHOULD be fun. Losing over and over...and over...and over... and not standing a chance against the enemy, is NOT fun. Being denied the ability to play the game due to the skill level or overpowered exploitation of the enemy is NOT fun. It is not fun because it is the equivalent of NOT playing. This would be a fail argument to say it is not fun because "the point is to win, because winning is fun."
1) Winning can be fun or not fun.
2) Playing is fun.
3) Losing should be fun.
4) Losing to the point of not being able to play is NOT fun, not contrary to but BECAUSE OF 2) Playing is fun.
angelof2077 just about everything you said is EXACTLY word for word how I feel.
I play various games and some of them have a lot of competition (some of those include Dota or any game similar to it, Natural Selection 2 and various RTS)
In most of these games even if I get utterly destroyed and defeated I usually ended the game really happy as it was a great experience playing the game in the first place. I am happy not because I lost but because I was out played and I genuinely appreciated the skill the other players had.
I tend to think that most of those remaining in PvP right now are the ones who are way too afraid to face loss in other games as in here, ultra min-maxed builds will grant you gamebreaking survivability, luck will be a higher factor than your skill (knock-spamming), and anyone can do it, conflicts will grow, braggers will brag and will come in here to look after their image. First it will be fun, then stale, some people will look for fun mechanics to play with, they will pay the price for not taking the cheese, they're not having fun, they leave.
Guess what the remaining PvP'ers are here for, and at what cost, I highly doubt it is fun, unless they're getting their fun off hmm... other people's frustration? And... does it inspire respect?
Guess what the remaining PvP'ers are here for, and at what cost, I highly doubt it is fun, unless they're getting their fun off hmm... other people's frustration? And... does it inspire respect?
You assume that all PvPers are just playing because they are sadistic bastards that enjoy breaking the game. You are wrong.
Even the so called "OMG UNKILLABLE EXPLOTED FREEFORM PAY TO WIN BUILD"
can still be beaten if played right.
I PvP for the fun of it and then wash a battle down with a pleasant talk about builds and theory with my opponent.
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
You assume that all PvPers are just playing because they are sadistic bastards that enjoy breaking the game. You are wrong.
Even the so called "OMG UNKILLABLE EXPLOTED FREEFORM PAY TO WIN BUILD"
can still be beaten if played right.
I PvP for the fun of it and then wash a battle down with a pleasant talk about builds and theory with my opponent.
It's cool that you're cool and all, but when the majority of PvP'ers consist of flying clowns with guns throwing rocks and ice grenades while immune assaulting you because they don't recognize the SG name, I definately assume it what you summarized of my comment, what's in Renaissance Center can just refuse the duels with said clowns, and yell after the others because this or that power is overpowered. The usual crowd you fight with will in BASH insult you if you just put up a fight.
For the 'playing right'. Let's break it down will you. You know how the outcome of a battle between 2 ranged majesty clowns with STR superstatted and heal debuffs is decided? Luck. Face it, whoever manages to actually land that Geyser knock regularly over an opponent during the few seconds where he's stripped of his active defenses and heals will win.
I experienced it everyday with Rhino's build consisting of Roomsweeper-Knockup, Unleashed Rage + Haymaker as I need the knockup to not be resisted and most of my attacks to not be at least dodged. And determining how favorable is the KB chance I can potentially break the tankiest builds like not being able to harm hybrids, there's no skill that will get a STR superstatted build (everyone) to be knocked up WHEN you want it.
I actually dispute your claim that it is "Luck" as I have a similar build to what you described but I have different choices in passives and abilities. I have fought plenty of "ranged majesty clowns with STR superstatted and heal debuffs" and are easy to dispatch "when done correctly" I could go into detail if you wish on how it is done.
Generally melee builds do not fare well against those kinds anyway. I am assuming you are melee.
Of course, pure Might, I know I start at a disadvantage already but being a majesty clown helps at not dying, it just gives fewer occasions. Punching people in the skies is the thing I enjoy the most.
Besides, go for it. The details, right here.
(If it involves INT based Ego Sleep + Shadow Strike you're fired)
Most people claim it has no use but when it amps up (and that amps up instantly when you take a big hit) you can heal 1500 per 3 seconds.
A lot of things can happen in 3 seconds so I couple that with decent dodge gear and a few abilities to keep myself from taking damage to keep my regen on top.
Force geiser (I am evil I know)
Allows me to take control over the fight and keep them off of me as I keep firing
Protection Field - Gives me a few seconds of time to regenerate some more and also note dodge is applied before damage is applied to the shield.
Masterful dodge - well why not?
Evasive manuvers - stealth for 3 seconds lets me initiate the attack again with my cycle.
And while all of that is occuring I am constantly firing at the enemy due to form of the tempest and kill instinct giving me unlimited energy.
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Of course this build is not perfect and there are plenty of builds that can defeat it. But I have built myself to fight other DPS toons like myself.
And I want to be clear I am not trying to pick a fight I am looking to expand my knowlege of builds and other strategys as I love PvP.
Hard to make theories on paper, it's already VERY hard to defeat any of the said 'clowns' without knock-spamming + Strafing Run and Ebon Ruin but... I'm just seeing 'firing' which means main attack being ranged, FoTT kind of gimps the damage, DEX based I understand, but with the stats you must get in order to behave right it means not much room for massive STR, more likely to get Geyser-knocked up by those. Ebon Ruin will ravage a good part of the Regen on top of it. It's very hard for me to imagine an eventual winning possibility. Unless... the target is Defiance, but that's pretty much it.
And yes, I really speak of the lamest stuff one can ever offer, including devices. It's really easy to achieve. Could go a long way with theories but most of people in BASH can't be bothered with it.
Well to counter the ebon ruin I use my stealth and other abilities to let my regen do its work. Even if its cut in half that is still 700 healing roughly. and yes I do use 2 gun mojo as it is one of the only powers that has a static damage amount not "100-200" and fits the theme.
I primary Dex. second Con. third Ego.
I can get knocked a lot as I dont have any STR but I always throw up my defenses after I get up to recover then blast them myself with a knock.
I can eat popcorn and roll my eyes at the same time!
now let's see you walk and chew gum at the same time.
angel also summed up my opinions quite eloquently regarding the typical CO player, i.e. players who play to be rewarded (pve grinders) and players who play to beat up other players (pvp elitists).
Having fun is the only reason I play CO, and the only reason I like to win at PvP is because I can. I can understand people who want things from grinding; I only bothered with BASH because I wanted to get the malvan emblem faster so I could see annoying people, and then I didn't really need to see them anyway. Stronghold is actually better for that, in my opinion. Most of the time when I win at pvp, the game is still annoying and I don't really have fun because I have to fight a lot of annoying builds that are usually used by people who hate me.
Cyrax is right about the supposed OMGZ UNKILLABLE PVP ELITE ROFLSTOMP BUILD!. I eat that build for breakfast; its pilots are usually archetypes with a hand-me-down; and to a nimble veteran it's pretty much garbage without ice grenades, depleted uranium, and immunity hack devices, not that broken devices do anything to help them without their bodyguards. I already invented a counter-build for it that I rarely use.
I don't care about winning or about who's #1 at pvp, and I certainly don't care about whoever's supposedly good at it. Even some of the people who used to argue with me here don't even play anymore, and they certainly don't play hero games. BASH isn't even about being the best, it's about getting 10 points before everyone else does. That's why I decided to attack all targets and kill anyone who's vulnerable no matter what they say about my methods. The look on their faces after winning without exploiting and using overpowered debuffs (i.e., cheating) is priceless to me, because the game ends before they can go "WTF?!" ...but I'm not too interested in these things.
I also find it funny that the players who are super-competitive automatically think people trying to improve at pvp care about winning as much as they do. If you retcon in the arena, they think you care about pvp. Main reason I go there is to get away from the noisy children in the main area, especially after the On Alert patch/fiasco.
I'd like to sum up angel's post with two statements:
The object of the game (a game type) is to win.
The purpose of playing it is to have fun.
I'm not too concerned if people who read my posts don't like what I'm saying; I say these things not because I'm trying to take jabs at other players, but because I have to be honest about my perspective, and I try to explain my understanding of this game so that they learn from their mistakes.
I can understand if somebody else were to bring up an example about a victory he had against me or someone else, as long as what he says about it is accurate. My responsibility is to take it into context so I know why it was brought up.
Yes, you can win the way you want to, yes you can win without cheating, and yes melee is viable. Several changes to this game broke certain powers that my main character had, and I regret making certain changes now that she's moving further and further from the concept that inspired her design, so I can relate a lot to angel's post.
I hope some day people realize that they can still build the way they want to and win, and that they don't have to join them if they can't beat them. I also hope that people stop assuming the advice from veteran builders is absolute fact and start finding their own solutions for each of their builds, as these solutions are often better for a particular character than any standard 'quick fix.'
Hard to make theories on paper, it's already VERY hard to defeat any of the said 'clowns' without knock-spamming + Strafing Run and Ebon Ruin but...
What this guy doesn't understand is that most of the clowns you guys mentioned aren't hard to defeat at all. Most are new players who have no idea why their rocks hardly do anything or why ice grenades and immunity hacks don't really help much. It's quite possible to beat them without strafing run and ebon ruin... or even knock spam, and it's very easy too. People who say things like that just perpetuate myths, and people who consider veteran players as more knowledgeable than they are start believing it too.
There are other things one can do besides trying to min-max powers that everyone thinks are good. If one wants to do it that way, he can, but it isn't necessary at all. Even strafing run can be avoided, which is why lately several players have been missing their targets completely; knocks can be avoided or one can recover from them. People who copy every power and don't even change the energy builder don't realize why things like bolas don't do much. They don't realize that strafing run isn't a win button, shadow strike doesn't guarantee victory, even without targetless AoE or perception.
Most of the time I that I spent fighting through hell (BASH) I played without using targetless AoE and without statting Intelligence, so I can confirm that night warrior nonjas weren't much of a problem when they were alone. You can't just talk trash about cyrax and say he's just theorizing when it's absolute fact that there are other ways to win.
I dont think he was trash talking me, he just had a seperate opinion.
And I just want to point out that just because someone uses
*<Insert current build that everyone hates here>*
does not mean they are a dickhead who is only focused on winning and participating in other **** head activities.
I have my toon built the way he is because I like him that way and the powers I choose work the best with what I want to do.
I basically see PvP rounded into 3 main groups regardless of role.
-Dealing damage (I consider debuffs to fit this role as well)
-Taking damage (dodge/other resistances)
-Healing
If you can make something that uses all three of these well then that is what I consider a good build. And fighting someone who is on equal terms is the most fun for me.
Also to Lucy. I have played for some time but I am not a professional. I just share what I know in hopes of learning more along the way
You assume that all PvPers are just playing because they are sadistic bastards that enjoy breaking the game. You are wrong.
Even the so called "OMG UNKILLABLE EXPLOTED FREEFORM PAY TO WIN BUILD"
can still be beaten if played right.
I PvP for the fun of it and then wash a battle down with a pleasant talk about builds and theory with my opponent.
Not arguing your comment at all that any build can be beaten because i to believe that to be true. I do however have an issues with people using freeform along with exploited or pay to win. What alot of people dont seem to realize is that Archetypes didnt exist at first there was no segregation in players because everyone was a freeform subscriber.
Without the freeform subscriber that many enjoy bashing today Champions online wouldnt be here. Freeform players paid for the continued development of champions with subscriptions and other purchases. Freeform is not cheap or bs etc.. it is what the game was designed for!!!
Freeform is not an exploit and is not paying to win in anyway shape or form its simply the original way of champions. Now seeing as F2p Happened a divide in the player base between subscribers/lifetimers and silvers has been made. Question is whay down someone else just because they pay to play the way they want to play? I mean in the end its all good for the game because it is bringing champions income right.
If fun was conditioned on winning, then you'd have no fun until the very end.
Some excellent points but also some (apparent) misunderstanding of winning. Winning is not an instant at the end of a match as you describe. It is likely to occur at the beginning of a match, before a match begins, or (most likely) as a process throughout the match.
Sure whatever rewards might be present for victory will not be assigned until the end of a match, but the win itself is not. The win is an aggregate experience starting with the process of conceptualization of build and ending with the match victory notification.
Also, part of the process of competition in a game of this sort involves developing the build itself. Since the game launched part of the PvP experience in CO has been the build wars (pardon borrowing the term from Guild Wars). Designing ultimate builds to compete against others attempting to do the same thing is akin to a CCG player attempting to design an optimal deck. It is an exercise in game mechanics, game play. and understanding of the current metagame. The fact that one player doesn't consider this aspect of the game to be fun doesn't change the fact that others do.
People putting effort into min/maxing PvP builds is not any more an indication that they are not in the game to have fun than would be the case for those choosing not to do so. Attempting to portray those whose definition of fun is different than yours as, "unhealthy," or in some way wrong is just another example of poor sportsmanship.
I have always felt that the differing perception of fun was one of the true failings of PvP in CO. In another game those who enjoy spending countless hours designing and tweaking builds for that tiny bit more performance may not be thrown into the same ring with those not so inclined. Unfortunately CO does not do a very good job of providing different (separate) avenues for pursuing fun in PvP.
Also, part of the process of competition in a game of this sort involves developing the build itself. Since the game launched part of the PvP experience in CO has been the build wars (pardon borrowing the term from Guild Wars). Designing ultimate builds to compete against others attempting to do the same thing is akin to a CCG player attempting to design an optimal deck. It is an exercise in game mechanics, game play. and understanding of the current metagame. The fact that one player doesn't consider this aspect of the game to be fun doesn't change the fact that others do.
People putting effort into min/maxing PvP builds is not any more an indication that they are not in the game to have fun than would be the case for those choosing not to do so.
Agreed. One of the things I enjoy doing is thinking about builds and power synergy when I am stuck in slow traffic driving to work. Players who first start on the game will enjoy making costumes and playing regular content. Then the moment they move into the arena of freeform, the game opens a whole new dimension for players to explore. For those who plainly copy builds, they are missing a whole lot of fun from this game.
IMO, "Good" build for B.A.S.H. and Duels becomes very similar now. Yes. But it isn't "Best" in Team PvP . Probably CO became best balance in team match then ever, but people just doesn't notice.
SH and UTC Queue system are dead anyway. My support toons are all taking nap in Hideouts.
I didn't mean that he was talking trash, I just mean that to try to minimize what you were saying as 'theorizing' is pretty disrespectful, not only taking the personality of the person who said it into consideration, but considering that there are a lot of ways to defeat something, not just whatever this or that person or group says is possible.
Even new players are created with their own intelligence, so even if they might not know as much specific information about powers in this game like we do, that doesn't mean they can't have a more accurate point of view.
I try to get stronghold games going as well as UTC. I don't really like the High Tech Arena except in tier 3. Games have started there quite a bit; I'm not sure when monaahiru can play, but on the weekends its a lot harder to get a game going, even on holidays like Valentine's Day.
You are 3 years late many people used to adopt that kind of morale back then, me included, it's not the case anymore, may it be theme wars or build wars. And besides you have a very weird concept of 'defeating' poking with a revitalize copycat tank doesn't count.
The point is that Devs are still trying to leave what's left of PvP to rot, a high percentage of the remaining community doesn't really make it more attractive, some bits of fun can be achieved through build theorizing, although you must carefully select the people.
You are 3 years late many people used to adopt that kind of morale back then, me included, it's not the case anymore, may it be theme wars or build wars. And besides you have a very weird concept of 'defeating' poking with a revitalize copycat tank doesn't count.
No, it is the case. There are other ways of doing things besides whatever you think works, no matter what you say. I didn't really care about pvp back then. So what?
I don't use revitalize, or even Super Intelligence, and I don't know what "poking" is supposed to mean, and apparently I don't even need to know. You're really making yourself look stupid by trying to disprove a valid principle and then making incorrect guesses about my builds.
I never meant that he was trash talking, I just meant that you were trying to downplay other methods of winning.
...and I don't need to copy anyone, nor would I want to. Other builds tend to look uninteresting to me, especially in pvp. I never care about what other people are doing, not even during a battle, whether pvp or pve. I spent years without even glancing at the forums or talking to anyone. I barely started becoming active on the forums. Before I started posting here more often, you didn't even know I existed. Imagine what else you don't know.
Before I started posting here more often, you didn't even know I existed. Imagine what else you don't know.
Oh yes, I do remember you. Took a long time making the link between the forum account and the ingame account.
If PvP was the way you keep brainwashing people with, there would certainly be much more players remaining in there, and since it's not the case, you're just trying to act like you're naturally godlike with everything you play. We all know what you do is borderline laughable but it can change, bring something solid other than words (I kill this and that and this yada yada) and people, including me, may take you seriously, after all, it shouldn't take long, right?
It also depends of what you're meaning by 'Variations', and 'Winning'.
Variation is like Ketas' olde pestilence DE character, DarkonX's sturdy WotW MA character, Brou's pure Might. Variation for you seems to be 'AoPM Enrage with all the usual boring stuff all the clowns use' and replacing your main attack with something forgotten like Tiger's Bite. Most of us don't call that variation, we call that an excuse.
Winning for you seems to be about exploiting the system, making ringouts; (Hell if that's true my Rhino gets to be ULTIMATE PvP'er of all the time!!1) scoring ten points in a BASH match by abusing the tagging mechanics and hoping that the rest of people get to defeat eachother.
Tell me frankly, is that true? Because if it is, it's going to explain alot and I may even accept all of the above from this point of view. I'm not even asking this out of enmity.
Some excellent points but also some (apparent) misunderstanding of winning. Winning is not an instant at the end of a match as you describe. It is likely to occur at the beginning of a match, before a match begins, or (most likely) as a process throughout the match.
Sure whatever rewards might be present for victory will not be assigned until the end of a match, but the win itself is not. The win is an aggregate experience starting with the process of conceptualization of build and ending with the match victory notification.
Also, part of the process of competition in a game of this sort involves developing the build itself. Since the game launched part of the PvP experience in CO has been the build wars (pardon borrowing the term from Guild Wars). Designing ultimate builds to compete against others attempting to do the same thing is akin to a CCG player attempting to design an optimal deck. It is an exercise in game mechanics, game play. and understanding of the current metagame. The fact that one player doesn't consider this aspect of the game to be fun doesn't change the fact that others do.
People putting effort into min/maxing PvP builds is not any more an indication that they are not in the game to have fun than would be the case for those choosing not to do so. Attempting to portray those whose definition of fun is different than yours as, "unhealthy," or in some way wrong is just another example of poor sportsmanship.
I have always felt that the differing perception of fun was one of the true failings of PvP in CO. In another game those who enjoy spending countless hours designing and tweaking builds for that tiny bit more performance may not be thrown into the same ring with those not so inclined. Unfortunately CO does not do a very good job of providing different (separate) avenues for pursuing fun in PvP.
You really seem to have missed nearly everything I have stated.
I would advice that before you submit an argument over semantics, you first go back and re-read my post to try to understand it better.
Others seem to have gotten the point. You however, seemed to have construed a different conclusion entirely. I believe you have misunderstood nearly everything I have stated, most likely due to predefined assumptions about my argument.
Also to note, you should not argue against the event of "winning" or "Losing a match" as being resolved at the end of a match. According to your semantic argument, "Winning" goes from...actually winning...an event that concludes victory/defeat of a match, to a odd lengthy process called 'winning' that includes conceptualization of a build. According to that logic, whether or not you win or lose (the event that occurs at the end of a match) you are winning. In other words your logic changes the semantics of winning to "Even if you lose, you're winning." Very odd argument.
Also to note: semantic arguments are not real arguments. Altering my definition of winning doesn't make me wrong, it only makes you right. By this, I mean you change the very definition of a word already defined in an argument, and do so only to submit your argument which according to the NEW definition is correct. Something no one even discussed or disputed.
Once again, I firmly suggest revisiting my mini-blog and trying harder to contemplate what is being communicated. Rest assured, it is less that I disagree with what you are saying, and more I am confused as to why you are saying it. It is as if you read what I communicated and concluded something completely different. Others don't seem to have this problem, so a simply retry on your behalf will probably resolve it.
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And the story about the loss and being a jerk was not how i remember it...as a matter of fact there was very little disagreement at all. Like i said, it's been a while. But i remember it more like being upset about melee losing it's damage and knock powers, and stating that fact out loud, and had nothing to do with a duel.
And i remember being yelled at then ignored. Around that time, i changed my account over to a friend because of my disgust with what had been done to melee.
I really don't remember having a heated battle with you over anything serious, imo.
Not my style really, unless provoked.
Matter of fact i don't think i have ever fought you. So...you might have the wrong guy in your cross heirs. (ignore)Anyway, i have no ill will to wards you. If it makes you feel better to remember me as a jerk or whatever that's your deal, not mine. Whatever happened back then has no bearing on today imo.
Peace
I have a good memory, so I know that microman was being a jerk. I know it wasn't you doing that because you just explained that to me already. Anyone who ends up on my ignore list either was being a jerk to somebody or they were spamming. I never said it was a "heated battle." Microman just said something really rude to me after I won, so I blocked him.
I didn't know there were two people using that account until you told me here.
After a duel I give people a chance to either say gg or qq. :P If they qq they'll most likely get blocked, depending on the severity.
lol... I never said I didn't care about anyone. If I didn't I'd never kick you in yer b0lloX. =P See, I knew you were the one trolling me and not the other way around. After your second reply, I just gave up on you and almost everything you said went in one ear and out the other. I reply to everyone else as normal, unless it's some know-it-all.
This made LOL so hard. It's a shame it's written wrong. The correct way it should be written is:
"I rage. I don't make others rage".
You are the single most farmed player I have ever seen in CO. The funniest is when you are in bash farming ATs (because those are the only players that your lame builds can kill) and I join and kill you and you say some random rage comment and quit bash instantly after 1 death. Then you try to hide your rage behind "meow"'s and other emotes in Ren Centre. If you spent less time raging and trolling and more time learning how to play, maybe you'd be somewhat mediocre at PvP and/or people might take your posts more seriously.
*b00m....rawR*
If you people who are doing this keep lying about me I'm just going to have to start recording you. I didn't want to have to do this, because I consider it to be 'hitting below the belt,' but your intellectual dishonesty and outstanding arrogance have forced my hand. How's that for backing up my "claims?"
This doesn't apply to everyone so quit getting so uptight about everything. :P
I've beaten the entire hive of min/max copytards at their own game, 10:0 multiple times and I have done exceptionally well on a consistent basis without exploiting or using n00by powers, I've been chased around BASH constantly with 8 ranged trolls with their broken devices and their hack builds with broken devices, and they silenced me multiple times just for telling the truth about their stupid "antics" and debunking their flawed perception of this game.... It's only when multiple people sometimes 5 at a time attacked only me that my performance started to drop, which is understandable for this game. I hardly need a legion of overpowered copytrolls and elitist "oldbies" try to tell me about this game.
Yet no matter how many times they fail a shadow strike with a whole team trying to help them it's still not enough proof to them that they have no idea what they're talking about. No, of course not. It's just me and I'm just "bragging." If I sound a little harsh, it's because I'm annoyed with their stupidity and tired of being silenced for no real reason.
If you think I'm lying about these things then you have no idea what you're talking about and you have no evidence to back up your biased claims. I know bradley is just a dumb teenyboopper and nothing he says is based on reality. I wanted to be more civil about this but some of you guys have crossed the line.
If any of you told me you did x I'd assume you are right about your abilities and falsify before thinking it's impossible. I have no reason to lie about one of you just because I feel threatened. Fallacy doesn't constitute falsification.
I've beaten the likes of him enough times to prove to myself that I know what I'm doing. I don't care about proving it to you, and I doubt brad would even understand the explanation, based on my previous arguments with him.
While I didn't like Xenomorph Drone I can see now why he got so annoyed with some of you people and your elitism; and the fact that his posts usually made the most sense here while those from others were often either not accurate enough or complete fallacy makes all the thugs who post here seem even worse.
Alright Yuko ("OH EM GEE. HE KNOWS MY REAL NAME. WTF? :O), lets get a few things straight since you're already a proven liar (just ask malware lol).
1) I never "picking people who were weaker than me" as a blade, I fought everyone from Archetypes to Freeforms. I usually was fighting FFs like blinky and soulstrike on my blade (and yes I can prove that, not that I need to). I lost MANY times, and at first yeah I did complain, but that was because I didn't know better since I was only a week or 2 into the game and didn't know the imbalance of powers. I however have beaten MANY FFs on my blade. It's actually funny you mention this because my blade AT is the only toon of mine you have ever beaten, and you beat it with your FFs. Congrats on the win though, I bet you feel pretty proud of killing an under 5k HP blade. Like i said in my previous post, all you can kill is ATs.
2) Ever since the day I went freeform, you have NEVER defeated ANY OF MY FFs. I mean how could you, I've been on your ignore list since August of 2012. If you don't remember, let me paint a vivid picture for you. We dueled 3 times that day. First duel I won, said "gf" and you proceeded to make your usual rage comment about my build. You then came back and dueled me a second time, where I 1-shotted you through teleport. You raged harder. Finally, you dueled me a third time in the attempt to troll me with evasive and teleport, but I once again 1-shotted you through them and you raged and ignored me. You go around raging and talking smack about me because you cant handle the losses you suffer because of me in bash. I need no proof of this as everyone who knows me or has PvPed with me knows how hard you rage in bash when I kill you. Oh, and there's more (shocking!), I hope you still remember the time a few weeks ago when a friend of mine joined CO, you said to him "I guess I have to show you what a newb shag really is", and unignored me for a duel. Do you remember? If not, let me refresh your memory. You kited the whole duel against my MELEE (about 5-10min), while I stood still and only attacked you to maintain my 8 stacks. I remained still in the middle the whole fight, knowing your builds never do any real damage. You lunged in to attack, I 1-shotted you to oblivion and your exact words were "finally, took you long enough". Playing it off as if you weren't RAGING like a wild monkey inside.
That was to set the record straight since you are already a proven liar who lies about beating people shes never dueled or has lost to. (read other threads/posts to confirm). Now in terms of the rest of your pointless post, all I will say is this:
I am most likely older than you are, considering you are either still in high school or early college and attend the same school Rylo does. Considering I am done college and am a working professional, the "teenybopper" comment is out the window.
I won't say anything in regards to my "talent" and just let my PvPing speak for itself. I will reiterate however that you have NEVER ONCE beat any of my FF characters in 1vs1 and all you have done is tagged kills in bash when a lot better PVPers have killed me.
Now for my final point. It's probably your attitude, behavior, and comments like the one you made above that have made you a laughing stock in Champions Online. You are nothing but a joke to us all. No one takes you seriously, and we all farm you in PVP. I mean, you have 2 gold accounts you pay for just to be able to talk to yourself because no one else does (except your best friend rylo). You only care about your own opinions (right or wrong) and anyone who disagrees with what you have to say, you ignore them or proceed to troll them. You say you don't care about winning but you rage so hard when you lose its quite hilarious. Saying comments like "LOL you're all nerds" or "takes 5 of you dorks to kill me, just proves I'm the best". You call this behavior not caring? LOL, get real kid.
I honestly don't even know why you still insist on participating in the PVP community when it's quite evident NO ONE likes you (okay, maybe a FEW). You should stop paying for your PVP account @katasyntax and just stick to playing your PVE toons on @liquiddata. You certainly have a completely different attitude on that one.
the end
(apologies to all except lucy for the post being on the long-winded side, but I felt I needed to get all points across)
P.S. I love how you changed your post after I posted this. good thing i got your original post quoted
oh yeah.....b00m______RAWR!
Hit the nail right on the head!
Nesno was only annoyed (outright pissed even) at the devs crashing the PvP of this game on the ground, he welcomed with open arms any form of opposition because it gave something to do. He never admitted it, or rarely, but he liked the main faces of Spectre, and Dark Crusade. To appreciate the guy, you had to come on Vent, this time was the best part of the PvP most of us ever experienced, it's already been more than one year ago. Don't even try to shield yourself behind him.
Besides if you have better things to do than talking with us 'thugs' you wouldn't be here writing essays to say that you look badass and that others are not. Everyone knows that you don't do what you say you're doing, we've all had a piece of the truth (aswell as some laughs). You shouldn't play mindlessly with the word 'ignorant' and 'liar', even you don't get to believe what you're saying in there.
And besides, you are a couple of years late for all of this BUT, I can send a piece of your own text back to you, maybe you'll listen to yourself if you refuse to do so with others. Here:
Good Journey.
Nevertheless I'll give you what you asked for since you started messing with my account. That way you and other midgets like brad here will be humiliated properly.
The sad part is I doubt you'll even understand the evidence or why I'm even bothering to upload it, and in the end you still won't be able to accurately state what claims I made about each topic (if there ever were any) and why it's supposedly incorrect. So we'll get to watch you weasel your way out of it.
Then after all this I'll still have to deal with a swarm of them biting at my ankles while I'm just trying to have fun simply because I used a better strategy.
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In loving memory of AngelofCaine.
I am not giving an explanation, just merely transforming your wild imagination int reality and letting people who you are so desperately trying to seek the approval of (its obvious by you going out of your way to explain every reply to every post you make) know what the facts of the situation are.
You put so much effort in each post explaining your actions when in reality, i doubt 99% of people on here and in the community as a whole care the slightest bit about what you have to say or your opinion on anything. I certainly don't. You are a proven liar and have NO CREDIBILITY whatsoever in the PVP community. Also, what's funnier is the fact that you paint these farfetched lies and stories for people in PvE to try and get them "on your side" because you don't know the truth about you and you care too much. I will continue to make you rage day after day in bash (if you choose to join) and just laugh at your raging comments and excuses of why you lost/died. Thanks for the laughs from your posts, it was a funny yet failed attempt to troll.
And in regards to you recording all your bashes in attempts to prove you can kill me and others like myself, I invite you to come in bash and record as much as you'd like. You'll probably be recording A LOT of fail videos though, because the day you win a bash when I, or any of rest of the PVP community (not AT or RP PVP) are in there with you, is the day Michael J. Fox comes to a stand-still. (without meds)
^ LOL best way to explain trollucy's PVP experience in CO right here. Good job s3rj!
Git Gud M8!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Cause I'm worth it. Playing since 2009.
I've been farming you for months, so I'll remember this as your famous last words. Pretty soon we'll see if you're capable of thinking on your own.
The revolution WILL be televised. >^..^<
I bet your zero subscribers can't wait for your lies to fail.
BTW bradd, NEVER mention my name in your comments. As far as I'm concerned, you are no better than lucy. You are both equally newbs.
LOL looks like you're still mad from the old days, that's a shame. Too bad you "only duel friends" now
LOL? you farmed s3rju for months? That's HILARIOUS since he doesn't PVP 99% of the time and I have NEVER seen him in bash or talk about any sort of participation. So again, you are talking out of your bunghole.
Good day troll.
Your concept of "old days" =3 months ago. Further evidence of your newbiness.
Shut your mouth newb.
Yep, you're mad. So you got farmed in bash for a bit. Get over it and stop QQing. lol raging about it now doesn't change the past. It's okay, your attempt to troll me is fail. You can unignore me to duel me to try to make me shut my mouth if you'd like, I'd love to see that! Until then, I'll keep talking all I want. kthx BAI!
Huh? No. You're the fail copybuilder who tried stealing my builds. Nice try on looking tough, though (just like Lucy tries.)
I recall farming you, and you spending entire matches fleeing. You only did damage when you had others outnumbered at least 5 to 1.
Oh and I enjoyed when you got kicked out of Altered Egos, you know, cuz you're a ****stick.
Again with the fail trolling. You mean the pes defile LA build that SOULSTRIKE made way before you, that I tried out after I saw you using it? yes, I for sure stole it from YOU. LOL (sarcasm). You make me laugh. Of course I got farmed, by you and 3 or 4 of your friends when I was the only one in bash. You should go check out the videos of you getting farmed and refresh your memory. Do you have any videos of me getting farmed by you alone? Didn't think so. Yes, we farmed you 5/6/7 vs 1 sometimes, but hey, paybacks a biatch
Ha, words of anger always amuse me. If I am trash, it must make you worse than trash to let yourself get farmed by me.
You realize I was in Dark Crusade when I joined Altered Ego's right? They wanted me to quit DC on my alts and join AE on all my alts and I refused, so I got kicked. Nothng to do with you or anything you did or said. I can get an invite into AE right now if that's what I wanted since times have changed.
Anyway, I'm done reminiscing about the past with you, you can rage and troll all you want, won't change the fact you got farmed by a "trash" player. :P If you ever feel like you're tired of hiding behind forum posts, you can come and duel me anytime.
Peace noobtree
Git Gud M8!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Cause I'm worth it. Playing since 2009.
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With that said, I have chosen one particular person whose statement epitomizes what is wrong with most competitive gamers. To note: these competitive gamers are probably not true competitive gamers. A lot of pro gamers actually know the difference between playing for fun and playing for tournament prizes/acclaim. Fun is usually the last thing on the list of reasons to go pro.
Actually, the point is to have fun.
Somewhere along the lines, lost people forget that video games are actually about fun, not winning.
FYF (Facts you forgot)
1) Yes, you can have a blast losing when it's a great fight.
2) Fun comes from playing the game, not from winning the game. It's sad when people forget this. It's also sad when people have this perspective, as that is a big reason why game design "gets ruined" or does not get the attention it deserves. People's perspectives skew erroneously to think that winning, not playing, is what casual competition is about.
3) A sense of accomplishment, not fun, comes from winning the game. Arguably, you casually compete in a video game to have fun. If fun was conditioned on winning, then you'd have no fun until the very end, in which you'd have a large burst of fun after you won. This would suck if true, as it would equate to 1 second of fun for 10-120 minute games. Reiterated: It is another feeling, SEPARATE OF FUN, that you get when you win or lose. The sum total fun of the entire game played is greater than any fun associated with this momentary feeling.
4) Your current state of emotion does not dictate if you had fun with the game as a whole. To the emotionally undeveloped, it may feel like it, but it is simply not true. Example: I have played competitively, and will be the first to tell you I can have fun for the first 20 minutes, be miserable with no fun for the last 20, and end a competition winning with a sense of accomplishment (kind of like a confidence boost, or receiving a compliment- but certainly NOT like having fun) or losing with increased frustration/misery. Likewise, I have won competitions where I had next to no fun the entire time because it was too easy or too frustrating, with the win feeling empty or me questioning why I even play if I'm not having fun. I have lost competitions with more fun than most wins give me, due to the challenge and positive personality or equality of skill of my opponent.
5) If winning in competitive gaming truly is important to you, then either....
5a) You are competing for a prize, acclaim, etc. A professional tournament where winning means more than a video game, more than fun, more than enjoyment. Your self-esteem needs to win, your wallet wants the money, your shelf wants the prize. This goes beyond gaming, beyond fun, beyond even competitive PvP. This becomes an entirely different event. The lines begin to blur, and soon diminish all together as you go from a video game to a job. This same psychological event could also explain when people go from playing for fun, to "grinding for gear". In the interest of fun, this is a disaster.
5b) You are a lost, confused person, who seems to have forgotten the healthy way to approach video gaming. You have lost perspective on fun, and most likely don't enjoy yourself at the same level as people who play games for fun, not for winning. While you may immediately want to argue, "LOL, I have more fun competing than I ever do as a sissy PvE carebear!" you need to pause and look as to why. Most likely, playing against human opponents is infinitely more challenging than the predictable and often moronic PvE A.I. This alone adds a big fun element to PvP.
In the process though, if you have any competitive edge or competitive nature to your inner self, it is EXTREMELY easy to forgo fun for winning. Example: You start off as your dream superhero, a life-draining super strength masked avenger! Entering PvP, you find that your build is entirely gimped. This is not fun at all, as the game is entirely unfair, and even if you are better than others, the gap in balance can make it to where you go 1:1 and are nothing like your normal (victorious) self. You sacrifice that life-draining because you read up on how it is gimp, and go with a power set that still sticks with your character (well...kindof right?!) that helps you out. You begin to win more, but...that competitive edge inside you screams at you: "WE CAN DO BETTER, MY PRECIOUS!"
Soon you find yourself with a vague representation of what you once wanted to be. A superhero cocktail of powers that resembles a Frankenstein monstrosity more than the shadow of what you once were. You win most games, but at what cost? You have ruined the fun, not only for yourself, but for everyone else involved. If you truly saw your actions (in relation to the fun you could be having if the game or playerbase were more balanced) the image of your character you view in the mirror would haunt you. Then you would realize as you achieved victory over a gimped build: they too will become a monstrosity, perpetuating the circle of appeasement to "the goal" of winning.
I'm sorry, but unless it's a niche tournament with only a handful of pro players with extremely large tournament prizes, it is "just a competition, dude." Get real, and stop playing to win. The sooner you play to have fun, the more fun you will be having AND the more satisfying your wins will be. Winning is a lot more fun when you win the way you want to win, as opposed to winning because you tilted the scales of balance in your favor. In competitive terms, "Win because of your SKILL, not because of your exploitative knowledge of balance." Although in a broken system, especially in a MMORPG, the former often becomes the latter.
"The sum total fun of the entire game played is greater than any fun associated with this momentary feeling."
I should have preceded that statement with, "For a healthy person,"
There are individuals who actually "live to win" because their self-esteem needs the win. They play to feel better about themselves, not to have fun.
If the reason you are playing is not for fun, but for satisfaction to a low self-esteem, then no one should condemn you for playing to win. After all, no one can say that video games are ONLY for fun. They can be great counseling tools to help our psychological health.
However, if you are a healthy individual, you should be having the most fun throughout the entire process, not only at the end. I'd argue someone's psychological health if they literally could not have fun without winning. (I am not talking about being steamrolled, as there is no fun in extremely unfair conditions. There is however, fun in challenging fights. Losing CAN and often SHOULD be fun.)
Of course, I believe most people DO enjoy playing the game even when they lose. I believe it's actually a lie for the sake of supportive argument that people state, "I play to win" or "The point is to win." They simply cannot articulate better points or have no real argument to support their belief in winning because it is unhealthy or confused, forgetting that the point is (or at least, once was) to have fun.
I'd love to give people perspective and show them that winning is not everything. I win 99% of games I play of any genre. I top scoreboards in literally every game I play. (Note I said scoreboards for that particular instance of a game, NOT leaderboards. My time is not infinite, and I do not cheat to get ahead.) I have frustrated others before to the point of them leaving, which makes me realize I did something wrong. I also have kicked people from servers I own because they were too good for those playing. (Example: One time I kicked someone from Monday Night Combat who was significantly better than even me, because 31 players in the server were having no fun. His allies couldn't get a single kill, and most of his enemies couldn't live for very long. I was not good enough to keep him off my team, or I was placed on his team as well. After kicking him, 30 players cheered, thanked me, and the game was then fun for everyone. I explained to the guy and apologized to him, but he was a grade-A a-hole in response before I kicked him. This was all after I asked him nicely to switch to a less overpowered class.) Ever since, I have learned that if I am doing too good, I need to handicap myself to make it more fun for everyone involved. Easy wins are not fun for me. Heck, even medium wins are not very fun. It's very hard for me to play without gimping myself at least somehow.
Balance among player skill is important. That is why I often go after the best on the enemy team, so my allies can have more fun playing against people their skill level. I get a lot of gratitude when I take out and focus on a player who is getting K/D ratios of 30:1 or more.
This is why I never understood the moronic decision of Call of Duty developers to give extremely powerful abilities for kill streaks. If you're winning, they give you the means to win even further. Giving good players even more power is like a MOBA game- it snowballs. Soon it is irrelevant if your enemy is as good as you, as even if they are better they stand no chance due to your snowballing character. In reality, the best design would reward bad or unlucky playing with rewards. Giving the worst players more power, as opposed to rewarding the best players. This design would provide more challenge for the best players (thus more fun, more rewarding victories) and more fun for the worst players (more balance against better players).
That is because while the point of the game is to play to have fun, and losing SHOULD be fun. Losing over and over...and over...and over... and not standing a chance against the enemy, is NOT fun. Being denied the ability to play the game due to the skill level or overpowered exploitation of the enemy is NOT fun. It is not fun because it is the equivalent of NOT playing. This would be a fail argument to say it is not fun because "the point is to win, because winning is fun."
1) Winning can be fun or not fun.
2) Playing is fun.
3) Losing should be fun.
4) Losing to the point of not being able to play is NOT fun, not contrary to but BECAUSE OF 2) Playing is fun.
I play various games and some of them have a lot of competition (some of those include Dota or any game similar to it, Natural Selection 2 and various RTS)
In most of these games even if I get utterly destroyed and defeated I usually ended the game really happy as it was a great experience playing the game in the first place. I am happy not because I lost but because I was out played and I genuinely appreciated the skill the other players had.
Guess what the remaining PvP'ers are here for, and at what cost, I highly doubt it is fun, unless they're getting their fun off hmm... other people's frustration? And... does it inspire respect?
You assume that all PvPers are just playing because they are sadistic bastards that enjoy breaking the game. You are wrong.
Even the so called "OMG UNKILLABLE EXPLOTED FREEFORM PAY TO WIN BUILD"
can still be beaten if played right.
I PvP for the fun of it and then wash a battle down with a pleasant talk about builds and theory with my opponent.
I can eat popcorn and roll my eyes at the same time!
I are talented!
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M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
It's cool that you're cool and all, but when the majority of PvP'ers consist of flying clowns with guns throwing rocks and ice grenades while immune assaulting you because they don't recognize the SG name, I definately assume it what you summarized of my comment, what's in Renaissance Center can just refuse the duels with said clowns, and yell after the others because this or that power is overpowered. The usual crowd you fight with will in BASH insult you if you just put up a fight.
For the 'playing right'. Let's break it down will you. You know how the outcome of a battle between 2 ranged majesty clowns with STR superstatted and heal debuffs is decided? Luck. Face it, whoever manages to actually land that Geyser knock regularly over an opponent during the few seconds where he's stripped of his active defenses and heals will win.
I experienced it everyday with Rhino's build consisting of Roomsweeper-Knockup, Unleashed Rage + Haymaker as I need the knockup to not be resisted and most of my attacks to not be at least dodged. And determining how favorable is the KB chance I can potentially break the tankiest builds like not being able to harm hybrids, there's no skill that will get a STR superstatted build (everyone) to be knocked up WHEN you want it.
It would be idiotic to refuse to admit that.
Generally melee builds do not fare well against those kinds anyway. I am assuming you are melee.
Besides, go for it. The details, right here.
(If it involves INT based Ego Sleep + Shadow Strike you're fired)
Most people claim it has no use but when it amps up (and that amps up instantly when you take a big hit) you can heal 1500 per 3 seconds.
A lot of things can happen in 3 seconds so I couple that with decent dodge gear and a few abilities to keep myself from taking damage to keep my regen on top.
Force geiser (I am evil I know)
Allows me to take control over the fight and keep them off of me as I keep firing
Protection Field - Gives me a few seconds of time to regenerate some more and also note dodge is applied before damage is applied to the shield.
Masterful dodge - well why not?
Evasive manuvers - stealth for 3 seconds lets me initiate the attack again with my cycle.
And while all of that is occuring I am constantly firing at the enemy due to form of the tempest and kill instinct giving me unlimited energy.
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Of course this build is not perfect and there are plenty of builds that can defeat it. But I have built myself to fight other DPS toons like myself.
And I want to be clear I am not trying to pick a fight I am looking to expand my knowlege of builds and other strategys as I love PvP.
And yes, I really speak of the lamest stuff one can ever offer, including devices. It's really easy to achieve. Could go a long way with theories but most of people in BASH can't be bothered with it.
I primary Dex. second Con. third Ego.
I can get knocked a lot as I dont have any STR but I always throw up my defenses after I get up to recover then blast them myself with a knock.
now let's see you walk and chew gum at the same time.
angel also summed up my opinions quite eloquently regarding the typical CO player, i.e. players who play to be rewarded (pve grinders) and players who play to beat up other players (pvp elitists).
Having fun is the only reason I play CO, and the only reason I like to win at PvP is because I can. I can understand people who want things from grinding; I only bothered with BASH because I wanted to get the malvan emblem faster so I could see annoying people, and then I didn't really need to see them anyway. Stronghold is actually better for that, in my opinion. Most of the time when I win at pvp, the game is still annoying and I don't really have fun because I have to fight a lot of annoying builds that are usually used by people who hate me.
Cyrax is right about the supposed OMGZ UNKILLABLE PVP ELITE ROFLSTOMP BUILD!. I eat that build for breakfast; its pilots are usually archetypes with a hand-me-down; and to a nimble veteran it's pretty much garbage without ice grenades, depleted uranium, and immunity hack devices, not that broken devices do anything to help them without their bodyguards. I already invented a counter-build for it that I rarely use.
I don't care about winning or about who's #1 at pvp, and I certainly don't care about whoever's supposedly good at it. Even some of the people who used to argue with me here don't even play anymore, and they certainly don't play hero games. BASH isn't even about being the best, it's about getting 10 points before everyone else does. That's why I decided to attack all targets and kill anyone who's vulnerable no matter what they say about my methods. The look on their faces after winning without exploiting and using overpowered debuffs (i.e., cheating) is priceless to me, because the game ends before they can go "WTF?!" ...but I'm not too interested in these things.
I also find it funny that the players who are super-competitive automatically think people trying to improve at pvp care about winning as much as they do. If you retcon in the arena, they think you care about pvp. Main reason I go there is to get away from the noisy children in the main area, especially after the On Alert patch/fiasco.
I'd like to sum up angel's post with two statements:
The object of the game (a game type) is to win.
The purpose of playing it is to have fun.
I'm not too concerned if people who read my posts don't like what I'm saying; I say these things not because I'm trying to take jabs at other players, but because I have to be honest about my perspective, and I try to explain my understanding of this game so that they learn from their mistakes.
I can understand if somebody else were to bring up an example about a victory he had against me or someone else, as long as what he says about it is accurate. My responsibility is to take it into context so I know why it was brought up.
Yes, you can win the way you want to, yes you can win without cheating, and yes melee is viable. Several changes to this game broke certain powers that my main character had, and I regret making certain changes now that she's moving further and further from the concept that inspired her design, so I can relate a lot to angel's post.
I hope some day people realize that they can still build the way they want to and win, and that they don't have to join them if they can't beat them. I also hope that people stop assuming the advice from veteran builders is absolute fact and start finding their own solutions for each of their builds, as these solutions are often better for a particular character than any standard 'quick fix.'
What this guy doesn't understand is that most of the clowns you guys mentioned aren't hard to defeat at all. Most are new players who have no idea why their rocks hardly do anything or why ice grenades and immunity hacks don't really help much. It's quite possible to beat them without strafing run and ebon ruin... or even knock spam, and it's very easy too. People who say things like that just perpetuate myths, and people who consider veteran players as more knowledgeable than they are start believing it too.
There are other things one can do besides trying to min-max powers that everyone thinks are good. If one wants to do it that way, he can, but it isn't necessary at all. Even strafing run can be avoided, which is why lately several players have been missing their targets completely; knocks can be avoided or one can recover from them. People who copy every power and don't even change the energy builder don't realize why things like bolas don't do much. They don't realize that strafing run isn't a win button, shadow strike doesn't guarantee victory, even without targetless AoE or perception.
Most of the time I that I spent fighting through hell (BASH) I played without using targetless AoE and without statting Intelligence, so I can confirm that night warrior nonjas weren't much of a problem when they were alone. You can't just talk trash about cyrax and say he's just theorizing when it's absolute fact that there are other ways to win.
And I just want to point out that just because someone uses
*<Insert current build that everyone hates here>*
does not mean they are a dickhead who is only focused on winning and participating in other **** head activities.
I have my toon built the way he is because I like him that way and the powers I choose work the best with what I want to do.
I basically see PvP rounded into 3 main groups regardless of role.
-Dealing damage (I consider debuffs to fit this role as well)
-Taking damage (dodge/other resistances)
-Healing
If you can make something that uses all three of these well then that is what I consider a good build. And fighting someone who is on equal terms is the most fun for me.
Also to Lucy. I have played for some time but I am not a professional. I just share what I know in hopes of learning more along the way
Not arguing your comment at all that any build can be beaten because i to believe that to be true. I do however have an issues with people using freeform along with exploited or pay to win. What alot of people dont seem to realize is that Archetypes didnt exist at first there was no segregation in players because everyone was a freeform subscriber.
Without the freeform subscriber that many enjoy bashing today Champions online wouldnt be here. Freeform players paid for the continued development of champions with subscriptions and other purchases. Freeform is not cheap or bs etc.. it is what the game was designed for!!!
Freeform is not an exploit and is not paying to win in anyway shape or form its simply the original way of champions. Now seeing as F2p Happened a divide in the player base between subscribers/lifetimers and silvers has been made. Question is whay down someone else just because they pay to play the way they want to play? I mean in the end its all good for the game because it is bringing champions income right.
Some excellent points but also some (apparent) misunderstanding of winning. Winning is not an instant at the end of a match as you describe. It is likely to occur at the beginning of a match, before a match begins, or (most likely) as a process throughout the match.
Sure whatever rewards might be present for victory will not be assigned until the end of a match, but the win itself is not. The win is an aggregate experience starting with the process of conceptualization of build and ending with the match victory notification.
Also, part of the process of competition in a game of this sort involves developing the build itself. Since the game launched part of the PvP experience in CO has been the build wars (pardon borrowing the term from Guild Wars). Designing ultimate builds to compete against others attempting to do the same thing is akin to a CCG player attempting to design an optimal deck. It is an exercise in game mechanics, game play. and understanding of the current metagame. The fact that one player doesn't consider this aspect of the game to be fun doesn't change the fact that others do.
People putting effort into min/maxing PvP builds is not any more an indication that they are not in the game to have fun than would be the case for those choosing not to do so. Attempting to portray those whose definition of fun is different than yours as, "unhealthy," or in some way wrong is just another example of poor sportsmanship.
I have always felt that the differing perception of fun was one of the true failings of PvP in CO. In another game those who enjoy spending countless hours designing and tweaking builds for that tiny bit more performance may not be thrown into the same ring with those not so inclined. Unfortunately CO does not do a very good job of providing different (separate) avenues for pursuing fun in PvP.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Agreed. One of the things I enjoy doing is thinking about builds and power synergy when I am stuck in slow traffic driving to work. Players who first start on the game will enjoy making costumes and playing regular content. Then the moment they move into the arena of freeform, the game opens a whole new dimension for players to explore. For those who plainly copy builds, they are missing a whole lot of fun from this game.
SH and UTC Queue system are dead anyway. My support toons are all taking nap in Hideouts.
Even new players are created with their own intelligence, so even if they might not know as much specific information about powers in this game like we do, that doesn't mean they can't have a more accurate point of view.
I try to get stronghold games going as well as UTC. I don't really like the High Tech Arena except in tier 3. Games have started there quite a bit; I'm not sure when monaahiru can play, but on the weekends its a lot harder to get a game going, even on holidays like Valentine's Day.
You are 3 years late many people used to adopt that kind of morale back then, me included, it's not the case anymore, may it be theme wars or build wars. And besides you have a very weird concept of 'defeating' poking with a revitalize copycat tank doesn't count.
Haha. Well, the '90 Mask is probably best for that, but there are no outfits close to any of the protagonists/antagonists unfortunately.
Oh, and thanks for making the difference between telling an opinion and trashtalking. I have absolutely no problem with you.
All I have gotten so far is that it's a mixture of advice and hate?
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No, it is the case. There are other ways of doing things besides whatever you think works, no matter what you say. I didn't really care about pvp back then. So what?
I don't use revitalize, or even Super Intelligence, and I don't know what "poking" is supposed to mean, and apparently I don't even need to know. You're really making yourself look stupid by trying to disprove a valid principle and then making incorrect guesses about my builds.
I never meant that he was trash talking, I just meant that you were trying to downplay other methods of winning.
...and I don't need to copy anyone, nor would I want to. Other builds tend to look uninteresting to me, especially in pvp. I never care about what other people are doing, not even during a battle, whether pvp or pve. I spent years without even glancing at the forums or talking to anyone. I barely started becoming active on the forums. Before I started posting here more often, you didn't even know I existed. Imagine what else you don't know.
Oh yes, I do remember you. Took a long time making the link between the forum account and the ingame account.
If PvP was the way you keep brainwashing people with, there would certainly be much more players remaining in there, and since it's not the case, you're just trying to act like you're naturally godlike with everything you play. We all know what you do is borderline laughable but it can change, bring something solid other than words (I kill this and that and this yada yada) and people, including me, may take you seriously, after all, it shouldn't take long, right?
It also depends of what you're meaning by 'Variations', and 'Winning'.
Variation is like Ketas' olde pestilence DE character, DarkonX's sturdy WotW MA character, Brou's pure Might. Variation for you seems to be 'AoPM Enrage with all the usual boring stuff all the clowns use' and replacing your main attack with something forgotten like Tiger's Bite. Most of us don't call that variation, we call that an excuse.
Winning for you seems to be about exploiting the system, making ringouts; (Hell if that's true my Rhino gets to be ULTIMATE PvP'er of all the time!!1) scoring ten points in a BASH match by abusing the tagging mechanics and hoping that the rest of people get to defeat eachother.
Tell me frankly, is that true? Because if it is, it's going to explain alot and I may even accept all of the above from this point of view. I'm not even asking this out of enmity.
You really seem to have missed nearly everything I have stated.
I would advice that before you submit an argument over semantics, you first go back and re-read my post to try to understand it better.
Others seem to have gotten the point. You however, seemed to have construed a different conclusion entirely. I believe you have misunderstood nearly everything I have stated, most likely due to predefined assumptions about my argument.
Also to note, you should not argue against the event of "winning" or "Losing a match" as being resolved at the end of a match. According to your semantic argument, "Winning" goes from...actually winning...an event that concludes victory/defeat of a match, to a odd lengthy process called 'winning' that includes conceptualization of a build. According to that logic, whether or not you win or lose (the event that occurs at the end of a match) you are winning. In other words your logic changes the semantics of winning to "Even if you lose, you're winning." Very odd argument.
Also to note: semantic arguments are not real arguments. Altering my definition of winning doesn't make me wrong, it only makes you right. By this, I mean you change the very definition of a word already defined in an argument, and do so only to submit your argument which according to the NEW definition is correct. Something no one even discussed or disputed.
Once again, I firmly suggest revisiting my mini-blog and trying harder to contemplate what is being communicated. Rest assured, it is less that I disagree with what you are saying, and more I am confused as to why you are saying it. It is as if you read what I communicated and concluded something completely different. Others don't seem to have this problem, so a simply retry on your behalf will probably resolve it.