It's a time based incentive program that was set up as a thank you for fans who were there for a certain period of time.
No it was set up for a way to thank people for being subscribed for certain period of time. Vet Rewards have always been about thanking long term customers.
It's unfair to the non-lifer gold members because in a lot of cases they've spent way more money
How in the world is that unfair? They chose their method, so it is not unfair to them. Plus if they decided to become LTS they'd get credit for all that time as a gold subscriber. How can anyone ever say that giving everyone the same options is somehow unfair?
if they've spent the equivalent money already, which would be fair to everyone.
Yes that would be fair. But that's also not what you're asking for. What you're asking for is for Sliver accounts who may of never spent a dime, be given the same rewards as those of use who have spent money on this game.
That's kind of the Pay to Win mentality people are so against
You're one of the people here who's actually against this, and one of the only people using the term Pay to Win...
2) It is not unfair because Cryptic allows anyone who plays the game to purchase an LTS. Anyone who does not have an LTS has been provided the option by Cryptic and has refrained for their own reasons. Such does not reflect on Cryptic.
it reflects on cryptic a lot more than you would think, and it's pretty evident over on the STO forums. yes it's unfair because while they have the option, they've already been paying way more but still have to wait even though they're already investing the time and money, asking them to pay an additional $200 for it up front isn't okay.
3) I have been playing since before the game's launch. I have yet to see a single valid example of how it is disrespectful to me for someone else who has spent as much or more money than I to get the same rewards.
because in sto it's been specifically mentioned by Developers that it's a thank you for those who have supported the game and continue to show support. It defeats the purpose of thanking someone when you can just their appreciation.
4) If veteran rewards qualified as Pay to Win then they are pay to win no matter how long you have to wait to get them. If they provide an advantage based on payment then gating them behind time as well increases the problem, not lessens it. Restricting something that provides an advantage to an even smaller group is worse than offering it up to everyone.
again, in STO the vet rewards can be a little pay to win because it was set up when every one was paying, before free to play. that's why i'm saying make it something everyone based on time, not money. it's not pay to win if every one gets it, it's pay to win when you have to pay to get it.
5) I agree and disagree that Veteran rewards should be for Silvers as well. I agree that Silvers spending money in the C-Store should accumulate vet rewards based on that expenditure. I disagree that all Silvers, regardless of whether or not they support the game financially, should get vet rewards.
again, yes for silvers because it's fair for all, but i still think it should be a time based investment, not money based. You shouldn't be able to call yourself a veteran just because you bought a uniform.
6) A company selling their product in order to provide employment to (I dont know how many people), make a profit for their investors, and continue to produce the product for those who enjoy it is perfectly reasonable. It is how things are supposed to work. Comparing that to engaging in violations of TOS, breaking the law in some areas, and engaging in account hacking and theft is ludicrous.
This on is the one i have the biggest issue with. Yes, they are a business, yes they have mouths to feed, but there is a better way. I've been saying this for a long time on the STO forums as well as occasionally here that there is a better way to make money that will bring in long term players with out having to resort to cheap cash grabs that upset so many people.
The STO forums and even CO forums are full of people not only willing to give cryptic money, but giving great suggestions on how to do it.
considering how on STO it gets you a few ships that are better than others as well as skill boosts to level you up quicker i would say it does.
Do you even play STO?
That ship is not better then the others you can already buy. Plus the time to lvl 50 is soooo short, that it makes the time to lvl 40 in CO seem like a long grind. Heck you can make it to lvl 50 in STO by simply logging in a couple times a day and sending your Doff's out on assignment.
because in sto it's been specifically mentioned by Developers that it's a thank you for those who have supported the game and continue to show support.
And spending $200 on a game doesn't show a huge amount of support. Also I'd like to point out that when they talk about those who have supported the game, they're talking about supporting it with money, and not simply how long ago they made their free account.
As an LTS holder, I'm perfectly Ok with those that gain it late gain the LTS full benefits of subscription time. Large injection of cash is well worth it to PWE/Cryptic to offer it.
As much as I can point out how "pay-to-win" in a game ruins the fun and creates unfair advantages that can destroy it; I have to admit, your logic is horrendously flawed wraithshadow13.
I strongly recommend you take a step back and look at the big picture.
Also there seems to be a ridiculous number of kids complaining how they don't get free stuff every time they come out with something new. I mean look at all the whining that was posted when the new archetype was released. It was all "it's unfair it should be free not premium blah blah blah"
At the whiners: GET A JOB!
At the developers: FIX THE BUGS & MAKE SOME NEW EXPLORABLE CONTENT! (i.e.: new Zone, new Comic Series, etc.)
The balance:
Make things we want to buy, for reasonable prices. Make those things are not going be game breaking, make sure it's the super powers we choose that make our characters strong, not something like overpowered become devices.
Hint:
Look at what the most valuable stuff is on the AH.
@wraithshadow13 Now, I'm just wondering: Are you a LTS or a monthly subscriber?
Lifer in both games, who already has all the vet rewards, which is why i'd rather it was time based for all instead of just something you can buy right off the bat.
As for vanor, it's 3 ships you get from the vet reward system, two of which have better stats and one has better abilities than the others you get in the store, the third is a token for one of the +1 ships you can get in the store. As for most MMO's there are always people that hit top level in a few days, usually though they don't have to add a monetary fee to get that advantage.
And no, spending $200 doesn't show support. Continuously spending money on a game that is broken at launch because you love the IP is support, not jumping ship when the company is bought and sold several times is support, sticking around when developers constantly make promises they can't keep or fail to flesh out the second faction like they keep saying they will, staying around when they keep saying the game isn't going free to play only to go free to play the next month that's support. Support not only for the IP but for the company as well because while they tend to make a lot of bad business decisions they also have a habit of making fun games and until 2012 had been pretty good about handling the fans and long term players.
There are some things you really shouldn't be able to get for money and Cryptic has crossed that line. there are many many many better ways to make money without resorting to such terrible short term tactics as they have in the past.
As for vanor, it's 3 ships you get from the vet reward system, two of which have better stats and one has better abilities than the others you get in the store
That's not what they're saying on the STO forms. It's quite clear most people think of the new vet ship as just another Escort.
As for most MMO's there are always people that hit top level in a few days, usually though they don't have to add a monetary fee to get that advantage.
You don't have to spend a dime to make it to lvl 50 in STO in next to no time. Just playing the Doff system will do that quite quickly, without actually finishing a single mission.
And no, spending $200 doesn't show support.
Yes it does. Spending $200 on a game a few years old is showing as much support as anything else is. You're giving them a fairly huge chunk of money to keep playing the game for as long as it lasts. Considering that it will take some time to see a return on that, doing it now is as big of a show of support as was buying a LTS in beta.
However nothing in your long list of what you consider support, gives any weight to your idea that Sliver players should get Vet Rewards.
So what does 1000 day Lifetime vet rewards get you? The ones that will actually attribute to "Pay to Win".
Heroic Resonance
Experience Boost for first 15 levels
Veteran Bag of Holding MOST
Extra Bag Slot for free
40 shared Bank slots
Veteran's Core of Might
Seems pretty poor of an excuse to say this is "Pay to Win" considering...
A whole hour or more recharge, when they give items with similar effects away as you level.
Just the first 15 levels is poor even at a +1/8 boost.
My bags are never full enough to use this.
I have more than enough space in my character bank to hold everything.
Its just 26 stat points, but that may be as close to Pay to Win as you can get.
If they gave this to everyone who paid for lifetime I'd say it hurts no one. Besides, Freeform is technically paid to win considering more powers and whatever godly build you want.
Change veteran rewards to dedication rewards and its the same thing.
There are some things you really shouldn't be able to get for money and Cryptic has crossed that line. there are many many many better ways to make money without resorting to such terrible short term tactics as they have in the past.
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Last i checked the only thing you shouldn't be able to get for money is love and friendship. All the "hardships" you have endured? You've played a fun game for 3 years. you have gotten your investment back twice over by now. How does other people getting the same things you have make what you have less valuable? You talk about buying LTS as if it was a small thing someone does. the cost is more than many people's weekly pay in the world. its a major chunk of investment and a huge leap of faith(especially considering the amount of bugs these days). This is a business, what you got you got for free (vet rewards, you payed for a subscription) and you got it sooner. Stop whining because you are afraid you won't be as elite or special anymore.
Just enjoy the game you paid for and stop whining about something that really doesn't even affect you anyways
I believe that Lifetime subscribers should be able to get Veteran's awards. None of them are really gameplay-affecting items. They're just costumes and some little trinkets here and there, that's all. As it stands, lifetimers get what- A costume?
If you think these veteran rewards being available to Lifetimers would be 'pay to win', you're obviously not looking at the Catalysts tab in the Z-store. PWE owns this game. Deal with it, it's the way the asian gaming market works.
Good on you for being here since beta. Maybe you do deserve a little something extra, some little shiny trinket or whatever. However, like someone said- we're going to get them anyway. You keep your sub going to look forward to a veteran's reward, mine's paid in full already. No reason why I should wait.
Or what, some 'Veteran' is going to get mad and stop playing after 1000+ days of being loyal because of it? I don't think so.
FYI- the bird set is dumb. The best you'll get out of me with it is a Big troll chicken.
Wraith, the 1000+ reward in STO may be a big new ship - but in case you haven't noticed, we're not in STO, and nobody uses starships here. THe Vet Rewards are almost exclusively cosmetic; the ones that aren't, as pointed out above, also aren't that big a deal.
As for your repeated use of the word "fair", I keep hearing the voice of David Bowie as the Goblin King: "You use that word so often. I wonder what your standard of comparison is."
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Continuously spending money on a game that is broken at launch because you love the IP is support, not jumping ship when the company is bought and sold several times is support, sticking around when developers constantly make promises they can't keep or fail to flesh out the second faction like they keep saying they will, staying around when they keep saying the game isn't going free to play only to go free to play the next month that's support.
Yep, you are most certainly a STO player. I feel your pain.
Well that's the thing. It is on STO and not CO, but when i voiced my opinion about it people seemed immediately keen on telling my i was wrong, and the further i tried to explain why i felt that way i was further told how wrong i was and how i was selfish, small minded, and spiteful as well as others just making jokes at me.
I try to explain i think that it would be fair for everyone to get it based on time, not money and yet i'm told how wrong i am as well as people trying to twist what i'm saying and adding things like how i'm suffering or making it seem like $200 is a small thing when i've said nothing as such.
It's very frustrating to voice an opinion to suddenly have so many people turn on you like this. I get that most people don't like how i feel about STO's decision, but i hardly think it's necessary to twist my words or put words in there that i didn't say.
Wraith, we were discussing the idea of taking the perk from STO and applying it to CO. You were the one who started in about "pay to win" and all that.
Now, since we don't have a "pay to win" in CO, why not let LTS have the whole shebang up front? It's not like they have to be enticed to stay here, after all - they've already got the lifetime sub, whether they use it or not...
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
It would make sense to add this,i mean,with LTS,you're subbed for as long as the game runs,so you're most likely doing to reach said date of subs,so why not get the whole thing upfront,its another perk for getting LTS over regular sub.
After this, anything you have said and keep trying to say, i take as form of trolling. No matter how big wall of text you try to puke out. You are on a one track and don't really seems to understand or even care what people are saying.
I just pressed imaginary ignore button.
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And it would probably push a friend of mine who's been teetering on the lifetime sub precipice to actually take the leap of faith and pour his funds into Cryptic's funds-hole. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't the only one who felt like this. Plus, even the 'The Indomitable' title is really sweet to have.
Though I wish they'd do more comic book titles, I'd really enjoy having titles like 'The Astounding,' 'The Amazing,' and 'The Astonishing' in my repertoire. Though I might already have some of those and I've forgotten. This is entirely possible! As many things are. But I digress.
Yes, I think that the OP's idea would benefit their LTS adoption rates massively. Do eet, Cryptic.
That ship is not better then the others you can already buy. Plus the time to lvl 50 is soooo short, that it makes the time to lvl 40 in CO seem like a long grind. Heck you can make it to lvl 50 in STO by simply logging in a couple times a day and sending your Doff's out on assignment.
And spending $200 on a game doesn't show a huge amount of support. Also I'd like to point out that when they talk about those who have supported the game, they're talking about supporting it with money, and not simply how long ago they made their free account.
Not only that, but has been mentioned a number of times on the STO forums, paying a monthly fee or LTS does not guarantee that that individual has actually *played* all that time. In other words, just having a sub does not mean such rewards are earned by investing played time in the game, just given for investing money for that long.
This is not truly a "time-based" reward; it is a *paid* time reward. If one was a monthly subscriber for six months, then canceled their sub, then the fact that they started playing the game 1000 days ago does not matter if they resubscribe. Whereas someone could maintain their sub the whole 1000 days and not play much at all and still get the rewards.
A lifetime subscriber has paid for the life of the game. From that perspective, there is actually a logic to unlocking all the vet rewards for them.
A lifetime sub is a gamble on the game's longevity. This unlock guarantees some small return on investment if the game were to fold less than 1000 days from now.
Besides which, we couldn't have entertaining forum skirmishes if there were not controversy of some sort.
Well that's the thing. It is on STO and not CO, but when i voiced my opinion about it people seemed immediately keen on telling my i was wrong, and the further i tried to explain why i felt that way i was further told how wrong i was and how i was selfish, small minded, and spiteful as well as others just making jokes at me.
I try to explain i think that it would be fair for everyone to get it based on time, not money and yet i'm told how wrong i am as well as people trying to twist what i'm saying and adding things like how i'm suffering or making it seem like $200 is a small thing when i've said nothing as such.
It's very frustrating to voice an opinion to suddenly have so many people turn on you like this. I get that most people don't like how i feel about STO's decision, but i hardly think it's necessary to twist my words or put words in there that i didn't say.
Perhaps you could look at it this way: Those paying $200 right now are giving an influx of money to STO, which could be invested in producing more content for those of us who have been there longest.
I'm an STO beta tester, preorder customer, and lifetimer myself and have no problem at all with this promotion.
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
I vote to bring this to CO as well. It only makes sense. Vet rewards are there as an incentive to stay subscribed, as LTS you're permanently subscribed, so what's the point in making them wait.
Will CO Lifers get the new Perk that the STO Lifetime Subs get tomorrow: Instant Vet Rewards?
Not that it affects me, I hit 1k days weeks ago. :cool:
I remember suggesting this (several times) in the past and being met with some fairly stiff resistance. If this is occurring (or has occurred) in STO hopefully it will materialize here as well. It's always been pretty dense to keep vet rewards gated by time for a subscription that can't lapse. That's one of several reasons why numerous other games that offer vet rewards and lifetime subs made the rewards instant for lifetime subscribers.
This whole thing has left me feeling like I've just been bullied. I would have gladly moved on with the subject had I not been either getting attack or had people asking questions about what I said. I should be allowed to defend my self when people gang up, insult, or poke fun at me like that but at the same time I didn't want to be rude and not answer questions asked by those who honestly wanted an answer.
I don't mean to offend any body with my opinion of the vet rewards being a time based reward for every one rather than just being some thing you can buy, but this whole thing has really been blown out of proportion thanks to people over reacting, not reading what I said, or misquoting. Again, I honestly didn't think my opinion would set so many people off like it has because I honestly didn't mean to upset any one.
First, while there were a few rude posts, I felt as though a majority of the posts directed towards you were merely in disagreement, hardly bullying. If you felt ganged up on, it was because a majority of the posters disagrees with you...
Second, you effectively tried to bring an STO argument to CO. They may be sold by the same store, but they're still apples and oranges...
Third, "Pay to Win". That may be a bit more of a valid argument over at STO,with that ship and all, but it's one that doesn't even remotely apply in CO. There is little to no gaming advantage with any of the Vet Rewards...
Finally, your statements regarding giving Silvers Vet Rewards. This, combined with your stance on LTS, implies that those who have potentially given nothing to the game should be rewarded at the same rate as those who have definately contributed hundreds of dollars...
You hit a lot of trigger points there. In fact, I've found this thread to be downright civil, considering...
But what do I know, I'm apparently just a troll...
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
First, while there were a few rude posts, I felt as though a majority of the posts directed towards you were merely in disagreement, hardly bullying. If you felt ganged up on, it was because a majority of the posters disagrees with you...
Second, you effectively tried to bring an STO argument to CO. They may be sold by the same store, but they're still apples and oranges...
Third, "Pay to Win". That may be a bit more of a valid argument over at STO,with that ship and all, but it's one that doesn't even remotely apply in CO. There is little to no gaming advantage with any of the Vet Rewards...
Finally, your statements regarding giving Silvers Vet Rewards. This, combined with your stance on LTS, implies that those who have potentially given nothing to the game should be rewarded at the same rate as those who have definately contributed hundreds of dollars...
You hit a lot of trigger points there. In fact, I've found this thread to be downright civil, considering...
But what do I know, I'm apparently just a troll...
Best response in the thread thus far.
I find it completely silly that it's even suggested that this should be given to silvers, who don't give jack ****e to the game compared those with LTS or pay a monthly sub.
(Yeah, yeah I know they buy stuff from the store--so do monthly paying customers and LTSers.)
If there had never been a COH there would never have been a CO. :cool:
It's one of those things that i'm hoping doesn't cross over here, but obviously because i'm biased about it being on STO, and as it stands, just because one game has something, doesn't mean the other one gets it. Just look at the 16000 Q cap, DStahl said something along the line of they were thinking about it.
If they DID bring it over i would hope that they would change the name since a pricetag kind of invalidates the whole "Veteran" concept.
If they ever change the LTS to include all veteran rewards i would be all over it.
Right now it would take close to 2 years to get to the good stuff for me
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A short bump to get this post up.
I'm still curious if there is something like that coming for CO, i still have to wait around 500 days for the Avian Warrior set..
My take? If Lifetimers got instant Vet Rewards, I'd put down the money as soon as I could free up the funds.
If Vet Rewards were awarded according to the amount of real money spent by and on the account (including past subscription fees and other purchases), then maybe I could get behind Silver players getting them. Maybe rename them Champion Rewards? *shrug*
Of course instant access to LTS rewards is pay to win. I hear Millennial Flight gives a -1000% perception debuff. I would look for myself but whenever someone flies up to me with it my screen goes pure white. vOv
My take? If Lifetimers got instant Vet Rewards, I'd put down the money as soon as I could free up the funds.
If Vet Rewards were awarded according to the amount of real money spent by and on the account (including past subscription fees and other purchases), then maybe I could get behind Silver players getting them. Maybe rename them Champion Rewards? *shrug*
Just my 2 Ls.
Honestly, look at it from TT's point-of-view: what percentage is there in him answering this post, especially if he has no information or is required by his bosses not to tell? No matter what he says, someone's going to get their shorts in a twist.
If he says "Yes, CO will get the same all vet bonuses up front that STO just got," then he and the devs will get roasted for making the game Pay-to-Win or for trivializing the investment of time 1000+ day subscribers have already made.
If he says "No, CO will never fork over vet bonuses for anything other than time subscribed," he will get dragged over the coals for playing favorites to STO and turning CO into the red-headed stepchild (never mind that TT has no real power to make or significantly influence decisions of this nature). He also risks being called a liar should the policymakers change their minds later on for some reason.
Even if he's less definite- "I'll keep you posted" or something similar- he runs the risk that people will assume that a) he's in on the decision making process, b) he is trying to make it happen, or c) he is trying to keep it from happening.
Basically, this is the sort of thing that he's probably best steering clear of until an official decision has been made- and then he'll probably make the announcement in an official thread, as well.
For my money, I wouldn't mind seeing LTS get all the bonuses up front- it would save me about 400 days before I got flashy, glowy STROBE flight! That said, I wonder if CO needs the influx of a sudden burst of capital from LTS more than they need steady income from ongoing subscriptions. I suspect that's really going to be the factor driving the decision making process, here.
No matter how you try justify it, giving all vet perks up front for LTS is not pay to win.
I say add as many perks as possible to all current and new LT subscribers to get as much revenue for the game as they can so CONTENT comes out already. I'm frankly tired of doing Alerts and 2 year old missions.
1. They need more people to sub STO.
2. They have a bunch here. Both gold & LTS.
Thats why there is such a price difference between the 2 zen exchanges on the games.
I have LTS and considering what the rewards are, I'm happy to wait.
"ACK NO! not the blinding attack" as another strobe light flies past. The flag speed is bad enough, actually flag speed isn't as bad as rainbow travel, any of them.
on the same note, could you please limit the red writing, its hard to read and thats with antiglare coating on my glasses.
I wonder if CO needs the influx of a sudden burst of capital from LTS more than they need steady income from ongoing subscriptions. I suspect that's really going to be the factor driving the decision making process, here.
One thing I've always wondered is whether having too many life timers will shorten the life of the game, as lifers don't pay future subscription fees.
If the game isn't doing well after the LT's have played their bought time, it's game developers fault not making more stuff for people to spend money on it...
Cryptic, i got money but nothing to spend it on. *wink*
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If the game isn't doing well after the LT's have played their bought time, it's game developers fault not making more stuff for people to spend money on it...
Cryptic, i got money but nothing to spend it on. *wink*
Been a while since they released a new costume set....(I bet costume sets are one of the most profitable C-Store items)
If the game isn't doing well after the LT's have played their bought time, it's game developers fault not making more stuff for people to spend money on it...
Cryptic, i got money but nothing to spend it on. *wink*
Same here, i have even a nice amount of Zen on my account, but nothing to buy anymore, devices are just too expensive for their use and the costume sets and hideouts i have already all of them, same counts for the Q-Store unlocks.
And to get a bit to the pay-to-win topic, in my eyes there is no real pay-to-win with that lifetime perk, we only get a few more titles and costume sets a bit earlier aswell one TP, which is really more blinding and more for fun use).
if they did this, it would be a HUGE incentive to LTS for me, as one of the big drawbacks to it in my book has been needing to wait just over three years to get the same stuff that all the other LTS members have.
I got an e-mail from Cryptic/STO advirtising about this new LTS Perk in STO. I find it funny since I'm already a 900+ day vet with a STO LTS.
I really would love this "Perk" be added to my CO LTS.
PLEASE!?!? :biggrin:
When XP earnings during a Double-XP Weekend still feel like I'm underperforming,
there's something terribly wrong with the reward system...
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No it was set up for a way to thank people for being subscribed for certain period of time. Vet Rewards have always been about thanking long term customers.
How in the world is that unfair? They chose their method, so it is not unfair to them. Plus if they decided to become LTS they'd get credit for all that time as a gold subscriber. How can anyone ever say that giving everyone the same options is somehow unfair?
Yes that would be fair. But that's also not what you're asking for. What you're asking for is for Sliver accounts who may of never spent a dime, be given the same rewards as those of use who have spent money on this game.
You're one of the people here who's actually against this, and one of the only people using the term Pay to Win...
it reflects on cryptic a lot more than you would think, and it's pretty evident over on the STO forums. yes it's unfair because while they have the option, they've already been paying way more but still have to wait even though they're already investing the time and money, asking them to pay an additional $200 for it up front isn't okay.
because in sto it's been specifically mentioned by Developers that it's a thank you for those who have supported the game and continue to show support. It defeats the purpose of thanking someone when you can just their appreciation.
again, in STO the vet rewards can be a little pay to win because it was set up when every one was paying, before free to play. that's why i'm saying make it something everyone based on time, not money. it's not pay to win if every one gets it, it's pay to win when you have to pay to get it.
again, yes for silvers because it's fair for all, but i still think it should be a time based investment, not money based. You shouldn't be able to call yourself a veteran just because you bought a uniform.
This on is the one i have the biggest issue with. Yes, they are a business, yes they have mouths to feed, but there is a better way. I've been saying this for a long time on the STO forums as well as occasionally here that there is a better way to make money that will bring in long term players with out having to resort to cheap cash grabs that upset so many people.
The STO forums and even CO forums are full of people not only willing to give cryptic money, but giving great suggestions on how to do it.
@Remok
Do you even play STO?
That ship is not better then the others you can already buy. Plus the time to lvl 50 is soooo short, that it makes the time to lvl 40 in CO seem like a long grind. Heck you can make it to lvl 50 in STO by simply logging in a couple times a day and sending your Doff's out on assignment.
And spending $200 on a game doesn't show a huge amount of support. Also I'd like to point out that when they talk about those who have supported the game, they're talking about supporting it with money, and not simply how long ago they made their free account.
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Silver is more likely.
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Now that kinda makes sense.
@Remok
I strongly recommend you take a step back and look at the big picture.
Also there seems to be a ridiculous number of kids complaining how they don't get free stuff every time they come out with something new. I mean look at all the whining that was posted when the new archetype was released. It was all "it's unfair it should be free not premium blah blah blah"
At the whiners: GET A JOB!
At the developers: FIX THE BUGS & MAKE SOME NEW EXPLORABLE CONTENT! (i.e.: new Zone, new Comic Series, etc.)
The balance:
Make things we want to buy, for reasonable prices. Make those things are not going be game breaking, make sure it's the super powers we choose that make our characters strong, not something like overpowered become devices.
Hint:
Look at what the most valuable stuff is on the AH.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
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Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
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Lifer in both games, who already has all the vet rewards, which is why i'd rather it was time based for all instead of just something you can buy right off the bat.
As for vanor, it's 3 ships you get from the vet reward system, two of which have better stats and one has better abilities than the others you get in the store, the third is a token for one of the +1 ships you can get in the store. As for most MMO's there are always people that hit top level in a few days, usually though they don't have to add a monetary fee to get that advantage.
And no, spending $200 doesn't show support. Continuously spending money on a game that is broken at launch because you love the IP is support, not jumping ship when the company is bought and sold several times is support, sticking around when developers constantly make promises they can't keep or fail to flesh out the second faction like they keep saying they will, staying around when they keep saying the game isn't going free to play only to go free to play the next month that's support. Support not only for the IP but for the company as well because while they tend to make a lot of bad business decisions they also have a habit of making fun games and until 2012 had been pretty good about handling the fans and long term players.
There are some things you really shouldn't be able to get for money and Cryptic has crossed that line. there are many many many better ways to make money without resorting to such terrible short term tactics as they have in the past.
There''s a better way and no one seems to care.
That's not what they're saying on the STO forms. It's quite clear most people think of the new vet ship as just another Escort.
You don't have to spend a dime to make it to lvl 50 in STO in next to no time. Just playing the Doff system will do that quite quickly, without actually finishing a single mission.
Yes it does. Spending $200 on a game a few years old is showing as much support as anything else is. You're giving them a fairly huge chunk of money to keep playing the game for as long as it lasts. Considering that it will take some time to see a return on that, doing it now is as big of a show of support as was buying a LTS in beta.
However nothing in your long list of what you consider support, gives any weight to your idea that Sliver players should get Vet Rewards.
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Experience Boost for first 15 levels
Veteran Bag of Holding MOST
Extra Bag Slot for free
40 shared Bank slots
Veteran's Core of Might
Seems pretty poor of an excuse to say this is "Pay to Win" considering...
A whole hour or more recharge, when they give items with similar effects away as you level.
Just the first 15 levels is poor even at a +1/8 boost.
My bags are never full enough to use this.
I have more than enough space in my character bank to hold everything.
Its just 26 stat points, but that may be as close to Pay to Win as you can get.
If they gave this to everyone who paid for lifetime I'd say it hurts no one. Besides, Freeform is technically paid to win considering more powers and whatever godly build you want.
Change veteran rewards to dedication rewards and its the same thing.
Just enjoy the game you paid for and stop whining about something that really doesn't even affect you anyways
I would agree with you, If the game launched as F2P.
The game was always about freeform. ATs/F2P are the newcomers to the party.
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If you think these veteran rewards being available to Lifetimers would be 'pay to win', you're obviously not looking at the Catalysts tab in the Z-store. PWE owns this game. Deal with it, it's the way the asian gaming market works.
Good on you for being here since beta. Maybe you do deserve a little something extra, some little shiny trinket or whatever. However, like someone said- we're going to get them anyway. You keep your sub going to look forward to a veteran's reward, mine's paid in full already. No reason why I should wait.
Or what, some 'Veteran' is going to get mad and stop playing after 1000+ days of being loyal because of it? I don't think so.
FYI- the bird set is dumb. The best you'll get out of me with it is a Big troll chicken.
Wraith, the 1000+ reward in STO may be a big new ship - but in case you haven't noticed, we're not in STO, and nobody uses starships here. THe Vet Rewards are almost exclusively cosmetic; the ones that aren't, as pointed out above, also aren't that big a deal.
As for your repeated use of the word "fair", I keep hearing the voice of David Bowie as the Goblin King: "You use that word so often. I wonder what your standard of comparison is."
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Yep, you are most certainly a STO player. I feel your pain.
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I try to explain i think that it would be fair for everyone to get it based on time, not money and yet i'm told how wrong i am as well as people trying to twist what i'm saying and adding things like how i'm suffering or making it seem like $200 is a small thing when i've said nothing as such.
It's very frustrating to voice an opinion to suddenly have so many people turn on you like this. I get that most people don't like how i feel about STO's decision, but i hardly think it's necessary to twist my words or put words in there that i didn't say.
Now, since we don't have a "pay to win" in CO, why not let LTS have the whole shebang up front? It's not like they have to be enticed to stay here, after all - they've already got the lifetime sub, whether they use it or not...
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After this, anything you have said and keep trying to say, i take as form of trolling. No matter how big wall of text you try to puke out. You are on a one track and don't really seems to understand or even care what people are saying.
I just pressed imaginary ignore button.
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And it would probably push a friend of mine who's been teetering on the lifetime sub precipice to actually take the leap of faith and pour his funds into Cryptic's funds-hole. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't the only one who felt like this. Plus, even the 'The Indomitable' title is really sweet to have.
Though I wish they'd do more comic book titles, I'd really enjoy having titles like 'The Astounding,' 'The Amazing,' and 'The Astonishing' in my repertoire. Though I might already have some of those and I've forgotten. This is entirely possible! As many things are. But I digress.
Yes, I think that the OP's idea would benefit their LTS adoption rates massively. Do eet, Cryptic.
Not only that, but has been mentioned a number of times on the STO forums, paying a monthly fee or LTS does not guarantee that that individual has actually *played* all that time. In other words, just having a sub does not mean such rewards are earned by investing played time in the game, just given for investing money for that long.
This is not truly a "time-based" reward; it is a *paid* time reward. If one was a monthly subscriber for six months, then canceled their sub, then the fact that they started playing the game 1000 days ago does not matter if they resubscribe. Whereas someone could maintain their sub the whole 1000 days and not play much at all and still get the rewards.
A lifetime subscriber has paid for the life of the game. From that perspective, there is actually a logic to unlocking all the vet rewards for them.
A lifetime sub is a gamble on the game's longevity. This unlock guarantees some small return on investment if the game were to fold less than 1000 days from now.
Besides which, we couldn't have entertaining forum skirmishes if there were not controversy of some sort.
Perhaps you could look at it this way: Those paying $200 right now are giving an influx of money to STO, which could be invested in producing more content for those of us who have been there longest.
I'm an STO beta tester, preorder customer, and lifetimer myself and have no problem at all with this promotion.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
I remember suggesting this (several times) in the past and being met with some fairly stiff resistance. If this is occurring (or has occurred) in STO hopefully it will materialize here as well. It's always been pretty dense to keep vet rewards gated by time for a subscription that can't lapse. That's one of several reasons why numerous other games that offer vet rewards and lifetime subs made the rewards instant for lifetime subscribers.
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I don't mean to offend any body with my opinion of the vet rewards being a time based reward for every one rather than just being some thing you can buy, but this whole thing has really been blown out of proportion thanks to people over reacting, not reading what I said, or misquoting. Again, I honestly didn't think my opinion would set so many people off like it has because I honestly didn't mean to upset any one.
First, while there were a few rude posts, I felt as though a majority of the posts directed towards you were merely in disagreement, hardly bullying. If you felt ganged up on, it was because a majority of the posters disagrees with you...
Second, you effectively tried to bring an STO argument to CO. They may be sold by the same store, but they're still apples and oranges...
Third, "Pay to Win". That may be a bit more of a valid argument over at STO,with that ship and all, but it's one that doesn't even remotely apply in CO. There is little to no gaming advantage with any of the Vet Rewards...
Finally, your statements regarding giving Silvers Vet Rewards. This, combined with your stance on LTS, implies that those who have potentially given nothing to the game should be rewarded at the same rate as those who have definately contributed hundreds of dollars...
You hit a lot of trigger points there. In fact, I've found this thread to be downright civil, considering...
But what do I know, I'm apparently just a troll...
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Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
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Best response in the thread thus far.
I find it completely silly that it's even suggested that this should be given to silvers, who don't give jack ****e to the game compared those with LTS or pay a monthly sub.
(Yeah, yeah I know they buy stuff from the store--so do monthly paying customers and LTSers.)
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If they DID bring it over i would hope that they would change the name since a pricetag kind of invalidates the whole "Veteran" concept.
Right now it would take close to 2 years to get to the good stuff for me
I'm still curious if there is something like that coming for CO, i still have to wait around 500 days for the Avian Warrior set..
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If Vet Rewards were awarded according to the amount of real money spent by and on the account (including past subscription fees and other purchases), then maybe I could get behind Silver players getting them. Maybe rename them Champion Rewards? *shrug*
Just my 2 Ls.
Honestly, look at it from TT's point-of-view: what percentage is there in him answering this post, especially if he has no information or is required by his bosses not to tell? No matter what he says, someone's going to get their shorts in a twist.
If he says "Yes, CO will get the same all vet bonuses up front that STO just got," then he and the devs will get roasted for making the game Pay-to-Win or for trivializing the investment of time 1000+ day subscribers have already made.
If he says "No, CO will never fork over vet bonuses for anything other than time subscribed," he will get dragged over the coals for playing favorites to STO and turning CO into the red-headed stepchild (never mind that TT has no real power to make or significantly influence decisions of this nature). He also risks being called a liar should the policymakers change their minds later on for some reason.
Even if he's less definite- "I'll keep you posted" or something similar- he runs the risk that people will assume that a) he's in on the decision making process, b) he is trying to make it happen, or c) he is trying to keep it from happening.
Basically, this is the sort of thing that he's probably best steering clear of until an official decision has been made- and then he'll probably make the announcement in an official thread, as well.
For my money, I wouldn't mind seeing LTS get all the bonuses up front- it would save me about 400 days before I got flashy, glowy STROBE flight! That said, I wonder if CO needs the influx of a sudden burst of capital from LTS more than they need steady income from ongoing subscriptions. I suspect that's really going to be the factor driving the decision making process, here.
I say add as many perks as possible to all current and new LT subscribers to get as much revenue for the game as they can so CONTENT comes out already. I'm frankly tired of doing Alerts and 2 year old missions.
2. They have a bunch here. Both gold & LTS.
Thats why there is such a price difference between the 2 zen exchanges on the games.
I have LTS and considering what the rewards are, I'm happy to wait.
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on the same note, could you please limit the red writing, its hard to read and thats with antiglare coating on my glasses.
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One thing I've always wondered is whether having too many life timers will shorten the life of the game, as lifers don't pay future subscription fees.
Cryptic, i got money but nothing to spend it on. *wink*
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Been a while since they released a new costume set....(I bet costume sets are one of the most profitable C-Store items)
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Same here, i have even a nice amount of Zen on my account, but nothing to buy anymore, devices are just too expensive for their use and the costume sets and hideouts i have already all of them, same counts for the Q-Store unlocks.
And to get a bit to the pay-to-win topic, in my eyes there is no real pay-to-win with that lifetime perk, we only get a few more titles and costume sets a bit earlier aswell one TP, which is really more blinding and more for fun use).
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I really would love this "Perk" be added to my CO LTS.
PLEASE!?!? :biggrin:
When XP earnings during a Double-XP Weekend still feel like I'm underperforming,
there's something terribly wrong with the reward system...
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