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sturmwolf65
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Why is most of the regular mission content so pathetically easy?
Even on Very Hard or Elite I can solo all my regular missions.
Missions can be Orange or Red and I have hardly a problem with it.
Is that the way CO is intended to be?
The missions I'm always looking forward to do are the 5 men team dungeons, which I solo.
Will the difficulty chance if I reach the endgame (atm my main is Lvl 35)?
Even on Very Hard or Elite I can solo all my regular missions.
Missions can be Orange or Red and I have hardly a problem with it.
Is that the way CO is intended to be?
The missions I'm always looking forward to do are the 5 men team dungeons, which I solo.
Will the difficulty chance if I reach the endgame (atm my main is Lvl 35)?
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Wow...no need to be so harsh lol. The missions can be amped in difficulty..perhaps you are running a good build and this is why you find everything easy.
If you want amped difficulty, get a five man mission, on elite, get a five man team and enter the mission then leave the team try doing that.
Also yes, I am not sure but I think it's pretty difficult to solo Therakiels Temple... Once you hit higher end lairs you may change your mind. Level 40 may be a challenge to you it may not...
But difficulty does increase..that's sort of the whole point xP
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On a side note, this game is very friendly to the casual gamer just because of that.
The difficulty Adventure Packs and Comic Series increases with the number of people in the team. Aftershock and Resistance had two different experiences for me when I soloed them and when i went with a team of 5.
OP, think the game is too easy? Wait till you get to fight gravitar.
RIP Caine
I am an altoholic, that's why I am "only" Lvl 35 so far.
So I not yet had met Gravitar.
But shouldn't the difficulty settings be the tool for adjusting difficulties?
Not "just" some special endgame foes?
In my opinion the difficulty should go from easy to elite.
With easy -CO call it "normal"- should be the setting for the gimped toons to be manageable and Elite the setting for the hardcore powerbuild player.
(Always referring to Freeform of course)
I'm just in between.
I don't gimp my builds, but I'm not a real numbercruncher and still worry about my characters concept and looks of the power when I choose them.
But I'm playing on very hard or elite and I try to leave a zone when I'm about to outlevel the content (missions getting blue/green or worse).
Missions 2 Lvl about mine are more fun to play.
That's kind sad, because I don't think I qualify myself as an "elite level player".
But still I want some missions that push the abilities of my character.
Missions that are a challenge and force me to improve.
(Ok, maybe that's kind of my sportmanship attitude I'm transferring to the game^^)
PS:
I still have the feeling that not the endgame is my ultimate goal, but I also want the way to max level be challenging and fun to play.
You should get many more mobs per scene with increased damage, resistance and speed.
You'll should get more/better villian types.
If not, then use different instances, they don't have all the same functionality.
Also team with people higher level and get their missions.
Solo those missions though, if you don't want it to be a cake walk.
Vipers Nest, Mandragalore and Ruins of Andrith are soloable but seriously challenging, not every build can do it.
Sigh I remember suggesting scaleable instances for more challenge on Snakebitewildlifes more challenge please thread(s).
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Get a team and leave it to solo the instance is no real option.
That is a serious idea. In CoH/CoV we used to get "fillers" to ramp up the mob spawn in an instance. I used to fight instances set for teams of 5 regularly there are part of my farming for loot repertoire.
A superhero game is going to be more accessible (read easier) than your usual game.
Regular missions aren't going to push the difficulty scale, they're not meant to as they have to cater to everyone.
Try soloing the following:
The Burial Caves (Canada) - self healing goes a long way here, without it, and you'll easily get your "challenge"
Teleios Tower (Canada) - see above
Rhinoplasty (Monster Island) - This one makes even survival focused builds have to try
Viper's Nest (Monster Island) - see above
Vikorin (already forgot entrance name) - see above, though not as much as it doesn't debuff defenses like the previous two
Mandragalore (Lemuria) - The sheer amount of tough mobs one has to deal with will feel like doing a grab alert solo.
Therakiel's Temple (Vibora Bay) - It can still be solo'd but I'm not saying how
It's one of the few instances where I still prefer to have a full team of capable players just for the sake of efficiency. Of course, I've watched an SG mate running an off passive solo Valerian, but said sg mate is also one of the most skilled players in the game.
You were not harsh in any way.
Something to consider is that the difficulty slider does not affect anything except instanced missions.
There is some harder content available at level 40, but not much.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
I don't like Fillers.
If I want to play with other people, I team...but I don't go around begging people to "just fill in" to make up for the lack of difficulty, or the missing opportunity to raise it.
And the 3 instances above, I already solod them with my PA Character.
With Rhinoplasty being the most fun of the 3.
I'm glad that the game is relatively easy with occasional moments of difficulty or many of us would have lost interest. But it is kind of too bad the difficulty settings don't do more.
If the game cant rise to your level of challenge. You always have the option reduce yourself to increase the challenge.
So, if you find the game to easy. Try a naked Lair run. Or perhaps a passive free weekend. Or something similar to ramp things up. I promise, it will make things more difficult.
Now, i'm not saying the game cant do without some harder content. I really think it needs some. But by the same token if you make a powerhouse type build that can steamroll the game like easy mode. Is it the games fault because you made the steamroller? Sure, the game gives you the tools to do so. But how you use them is up to you.
Ive just found that the entire concept of self-gimping. As a way to increase challenge. Is seen as so abhorrent and unnatural that few seem even wiling to entertain the thought of it.
It is seen that way because its having to create a challenging situation artificially instead of the game itself providing it.
I don't bother getting fillers here.
You're not going to get real difficulty, either the difference is minor, or grossly out of proportion. Grav is a perfect example. It takes her hitting for over 80k and casting 4k cascades up to 3 times in unison to create "difficulty".
If you can self-heal without a lengthy cd - you'll basically be throwing difficulty out the window.
And that's the problem. You are expecting a game marketed to the masses to provide individual challenge. Something that is both difficult to do and rarely makes everyone happy.
It seems slightly unfair to put the entire onus on the game...when it by its nature has to cater to everyone. Then, by contrast, put the onus on the individual, who needs only to please themselves. and has the tools, ability, and insight to make that happen.
Expecting content designed for solo play to provide solo challenge is perfectly appropriate.Thats how every game on the market (that I am aware of at least) is designed.
What is odd about this, "unfair," to put the onus on the game is that the player with a weaker character that could perhaps not handle more challenging content has just as much in the way of tools, ability, and insight available to increase their character's ability to handle more challenging content as the tougher character has to self handicap.
If it took someone spending weeks at a time in the PH or on PTS figuring out the most optimal combinations of stat, power, and specs to produce characters that trivialized the game's content...I might be inclined to agree that players who engaged in such would just have to live with a lack of content to challenge them.
But such is not the case. The game is designed to provide little or no challenge for many purely concept oriented characters. One almost has to try to purposefully create a weak character in order to find a significant challenge outside of a very few instances.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
You don't leave the team.
Your 'team' can be getting their -sigh- on in Club Caprice, or tweaking their
powers in the powerhouse, or playing fancy pants in the tailor.
They don't need to follow you around or even be in the same zone, thats the beauty of it.
All you need is there existence in the team format to amplify the difficulty of missions.
I'm guessing you just can't get a team together.
The other solution is stop going to the powerhouse every time
get an advantage point, stop upgrading your items every time you can.
Run with what you have available and see how far it goes.
RIP Caine
You still can do the mirror trick, it doesn't use parry.
Basically you make an infinite loop with a buddy and then one of the two targets the statue with a separate mirror (have to have the correct control targeting settings). But you can do Therakiel's Temple with two people, as I have often done with XTMSX.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
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The mirror trick requires a toon had two mirrors in device slots before the fix, otherwise it's game over.
There's still a way to solo it but it's a closely guarded secret. One that should remain that way since those who know (or at least should know) wouldn't bother using it anyway.
Oh yea...you got me...I'm just to dumb to do that. [/sarcasm]
If you can't offer anything else than insulting guesses, please don't say anything at all.
I just don't like running around with a ghost team to make up for the lack of difficulty.
It should be a part of the system to give the opportunity for a tougher challenge.
I shouldn't have to cripple myself -like playing without items- to find a challenge while I level up.
I'm not a powergamer, so I should be challenged without crutches like that.
For a challenge, apart from those already listed - soloing Vikorin, Mandragalore etc, try soloing GRAB or Harmon Labs when they get their turn on the rotation. Gravitar can be hard depending on party too.
Sadly, challenges aren't rewarding in this game so the only thing you get is Youtube/bragging rights
If you want a challenge as other people have said roll out an AT, for maximum challenge I'd say go with a Mind AT or an Inferno, Inferno has good damage but limited survival, Mind has decent survival and healing but worst damage of all AT's
Constantly spamming Ego Sprites can only get you so far xP
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Ah, so you are either an average freeform or a competent archetype.
Yes.
Again, average freeform or competent archetype.
Not especially, no.
... what gave you the idea that this was supposed to be a 'challenging' or 'difficult' game?
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Just wanted to dissagree with this little bit. I think what alot of people misjudge, and this will sound harsh, is the "average or competant" level of players in this game. I would argue, from PUG experience(ugh), that the average is much lower than alot of people think.
While there are people out there with toons in the 3000-4000+ DPS range with very little effort it is common to assume that an average player is somewhere in the 2000 ish DPS range. From my date in various scenarios I would suggest that the actual average player DPS is somewhere in the 800-900 DPS range....and that's if they're not dead every 15 seconds(since corpse DPS is 0
So no, this game is not hard for alot of us but it's a nightmare for some people. My solution....revamp the difficulty sliders to be more than simple +HP/+Dmg(there are rare places where this is already true but there needs to be more) by adapting mob AI to actually perform better on Elite and then put in a better reward system for taking on that particular challenge. Scaling gear(SL Elite Blues) is dead but a Dev told me in the past that the difficulty sliders were supposed to be a way for players, in the post On-Alert System, to be able to get the same item they would get on normal except get the next color grade up with those stats(so a Blue Paragon's Boots instead of a green one). At the very least...Make Elite increase Mod Drop Rates and give them all +1. This way the players who are struggling can enjoy their game and those who want to push themselves more can not feel like they're forced to generate artificial difficulty just to obtain a sense of challenge and a better reward system means some people would strive to be better heroes for better payoffs.
Well, that's my take on the whole thing at least. :cool:
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make the game more of challenge. Instead he has chosen to demand
others to solve the problem for him.
I find no issue with challenge in the game when I don't play like a spoiled child.
The moment I fully gear, and spend all my advantage points, sure I can face roll content, tha'ts what being fully geared and fully advantaged is all about, else it would be pointless.
Have you ever solo'd lets say Mega Destroid in MC? Most people busy with Alerts so not hard to party with MegaD alone. Or jump to PTS.
Create Nemesis with dodge (lets say Archery based) and go do Nemesis Alerts. Its a challenge. Did that (sorry to all that where 'forced' to group with me), not doing it again. Or maybe I will
Because you are the leetest of the leet. At a level so far above everyone else that you can no longer see that you stride across Millennium City like a god. The other players looking up at you in fear. Kowtowing and offering up sacrifices in the hopes that you smile upon them and continue to make the sun rise every twenty minutes.
Wait? Whaaaa..?
That's kinda common place. My soldier solo's mega D. A gadgeteer nem, now that's trouble
Hence, Nerf incoming. As it always has been, so it always will be.
As I already said, these aren't "solutions".
Gimping myself, begging for fillers, soloing groupinstances.
These are crutches at best.
I'm not lazy, because these problem is not something players should have to solve, but gamedesigner.
It's their job to scale difficulties, not mine.
Have you even read what I wrought?
I called myself a mediocre player, so no need to start flaming.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. If you aren't paying for it, you aren't the customer; you are the product being sold.
Dollar, dollar, bill, yo. Cash rules everything around you and me.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
And he is a paying customer expressing an opinion, preference really, regarding the product for which he is paying.
His OP did not attack or insult anyone (to bad the same cant be said about some of the people who responded).
Companies pay small fortunes to gather customer feedback that gives them an insight into how to retain paying customers. The OP provided exactly that sort of information.
Any number of improvements and/or changes to the game have occurred due to player feedback of the sort provided in the OP.
Those choosing to be abusive or insulting to the OP for expressing opinions and preferences for what he would like to see in game are doing CO a disservice. In some cases they are also being hypocrites of the highest order because they have made suggestions, complaints, or expressed preferences themselves.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Viper is one of the (if not THE) hardest villainous organization in the game. Do not let it get to you if you run into problems with them.
They are pretty much the only group that is designed to fight as a group and to provide a challenge that goes beyond health and DPS.
The Tartrappers will debuff any dodge you might have and the Brickbusters will debuff your defenses and self heal. If you prioritize those (Brickbusters first) you will have an advantage.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
I'm guessing that you have a squishy, if you run with an Invuln or Defiant toon (+ good self heal) you will find it easier.
I've gotten to the point where I can solo some (maybe not all) 5 man content with a Defiance, Invuln or Lightning Reflex toon.
The challenge for me (if I want it) is to do the same things or solo the Mega D with a squishy toon.
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I advise the martial artist using only attacks with dimensionnal advantages and shadow form as passive, that's my type of challenge :biggrin:
Well, on the other side, I'm not going to do a Gravitar alert with this one, I'm not that crazy
Come SH and if your opponwnt are me, it will be endless hell. xd
The only thing I could suggest if the normal stuff in game is too hard is to set yourself up for difficult situations. Such as:
Agro as many mobs together and fight them at the same time in instances.
Fight the armies in Aftershock Issue 3 head on.
Fight the Avatars of the Kings of Edom by yourself in Aftershock Issue 6.
Take on cosmics solo. (the problem here is their dumb respawn rates)
The main thing about difficulty beyond these certain situations is that if you are taking on tasks like this and brisking through, you've pretty much built your character to be resilient. How good you are and how you play determines the true difficulty bar in this game.
The problem is grinding. People grind things like Serpent Lantern and get these absolutely crazy purple items, items with godlike stats which obviously trivialise content. But they got these from spending almost 24/7 in the game. And then they want more difficult content.
The problem is is that the majority of the player-base doesn't do that. So the way to fix this is to either add a new difficulty level (Super Elite) which makes those shiny purples about as useful as average white items, or people need to create their own difficulty and realise that their lack of difficulty is created by their grinding.
But I understand the lure of the shiny purple loot with the big numbers. So perhaps the solution isn't to make the game harder, but to introduce a Super Elite difficulty which does what I described. And then to make zones also use difficulty settings, so that you can go into a world zone instance (like Monster Island) where everything is Super Elite.
The only problem here is that we can't expect them to include items for these Super Elite world zones, so it'll be an increase in difficulty only. You could then grind Serpent Lantern for your shiny purples or whatnot, and then have your challenge in a Super Elite world zone.
That's what would fix this.
Again, the problem here is that some people have way, way, way too much time on their hands. And not everyone has purple gear with amazing avoidance, dodge, and crit numbers on them. Yes, a tiny per centage of players who put too much time into the game do, but that's not everyone.
And I'm not saying 'stuff it, deal with it' as you can read.
I'm just saying that the best solution is to include an increased difficulty level with no increased rewards. And make it work across the board.
Actually the, "godlike," gear is attainable with casual play doing just daily UNITY missions. In less than a week, a few minutes each day, you are set.
This is not a matter of hardcore grinders spending countless hours farming for gear that trivializes the game. This is a game that can be very lacking in challenge with or without good gear, and some of the best gear is available through extremely casual play.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Let me present the problems as I see them.
UNITY missions are a nontrivial time investment.
It's not a 'few minutes.' To be frank, that's just... out there. A few minutes. Seriously? Maybe your super-powered time-travelling character can blaze through 10-15 missions in a few minutes, but that doesn't count for everyone, you realise?
A few minutes. Sheesh.
But speaking realistically, and not taking the mickey, it's a nontrivial time investment. So it's grind. And it's not casual-friendly if you have to grind it as a necessity. If you're grinding for nontrivial periods every day, then sure, you can get items very quickly. But that's not an option for everyone. If a person is playing casually, it means that they either A) have other games they want to play, or
Grinding shouldn't be a thing that's forced on people when an optional difficulty level gives you the challenge you want without ruining the game for everyone else.
UNITY missions don't happen until level 40.
So we want an increase in difficulty across the board, in missions and dungeons from level 1 to level 40, which would make the game unfun for casual players, which would be forced upon them, and your answer to their woes is for them to 'stick it out until 40' and then (as mentioned above) grind out some good gear?
I say thee nay! That's ridiculous. That's borderline villainous. This isn't City of Villains, you know. Just sayin'.
The fact of the matter is is, to say it again, the game would benefit from having an extra difficulty level. And the game would benefit from allowing players to select open world zone difficulty levels. Now, we have to accept that the devs couldn't rewrite all the rewards for those difficulty levels, so it'd just be the difficulty.
My proposal.
If you want difficulty, you can grind.
See, the way I see it is that a Super Elite difficulty could be worked into the game. This Super Elite difficulty would reduce most gear to the worth of about whites. In instances, it would have no better gear than Elite, the rewards would be capped at Elite. So you grind Elite for the very best rewards, and then you're about ready to face Super Elite. But Super Elite will still be a challenge because it gives no better rewards than Elite.
If we include rewards better than Elite, then eventually we get to the point where people like you will demand that the entire game needs to be made tougher. And we're back at square one, and talking about Super Ultra Elite.
And then Super Ultra Mega Elite.
And then Super Ultra Mega Extreme Elite.
And then Super Ultra Mega Extreme Elite Plus.
Do you see the problem?
If we cap the rewards to Elite, you get the grinding and the challenge that you desire. But at the same time this doesn't break the game for casual players. This is not an unfair proposal. If you want to play with the big boys on Super Elite, then you get the challenge. You don't get rewarded, but you do get bragging rights. You beat Teleios on Super Elite. Wow man, that was one heck of a fight!
You can put that up on Youtube to show off.
Everyone wins.
Everyone is happy.
This is the solution.
Have you read this thread before answering?
Have you even read my very first post?
(I'm the opener)
I don't grind for gear and ask then.
I'm playing regular content with regular gear I get when I play throught the content.
Most of my gear is just blue.
Of course a higher challenge level should increase the rewards in form of XP and items, but not in a gamebreaking fashion.
And no one should be forced to play a higher difficulty.
There should just be a POSSIBILITY to increase it for those players that want it.
And again -because I still think you haven't read- gimping myself to increase the diff is NO option.
Good day sir.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
The only other option is to add a new difficulty level like what STO did. But that would take man hours this game cannot afford with its small crew.
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It makes me sad whenever I see that lifer title and said lifer can't get the facts straight.
SL Elite farming pre-alert never dropped crazy purples. Ever, at least as far back as a year since I started. What it did offer were stat bonuses scaled to difficulty, which made them better than typical purples, and on par with hero game purples.
What you propose doesn't fix anything. This game is easy by gamer standards. "Casual" gamers are typically lacking in skill as they simply don't devote much time in learning, whether it be game mechanics, understanding what the "trinity" is, or even as far as what the block button does.
I've killed a level 40 elite mega-destroid terminator solo on a simple AT. They can be found in resistance, and if you have no idea why that's meaningful, just walk towards one
In any game, reward is what it all comes down to. The same reward may be valued very different between 2 players, but ultimately players want to feel rewarded for their efforts. Casual gamers need to be rewarded just as much as more dedicated and hardcore gamers.
However, one must understand, just because both need to be rewarded, doesn't mean both should receive the same rewards. In the real world, folks that dedicate themselves to years of higher education (e.g. doctors/lawyers) are expected to make more than those that only devote themselves to a high school education. In MMOs, those who put more time and effort are deserving of better rewards than the typical casual gamer.
Don't get me wrong, being of the superhero genre, it's clear that these games cater to the casual gamer, and rightfully so. Just as not every player is elite, not every player is casual. What may be child's play for me can lead another player to struggle horrendously, and trying to establish a standard of difficulty when players can be on both extremes of the spectrum is a daunting task.
Once alert hit, I swapped all my difficulties from elite to normal. Short of a DS or TT run, there's absolutely no significant benefit to running elite anymore. All it does is slow down your efficiency as things take longer to kill. Of course, I'm still able to recreate that sense of challenge in pvp combat. If not for pvp, I would have been bored to tears and gone months ago.
On the flip side, not everyone is willing and/or capable to compete against other players, and thus require that sense of challenge to come from their pve experience. Just as I don't think folks should feel forced to pvp, folks should be able to feel challenged in their pve experience should they desire it.