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bjoernr
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1. Add 2000% HP to every Hero in PvP like in Burst Alerts but only HP not Damage!
2. Now PvP isnt "First Force Casquade = Win"
3. ????
4. Profit
Yo Cryptic, are you even play your own Game? Try some Tier 4 PvP its really fun.
2. Now PvP isnt "First Force Casquade = Win"
3. ????
4. Profit
Yo Cryptic, are you even play your own Game? Try some Tier 4 PvP its really fun.
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I'd still one shot you.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Tell me more how strong you are in a broken PvP system... :rolleyes:
Problem is.. everyone would NEED to have Force Cascade or Sniper Rifle, people use it because it's the only way to put an end to a character cycling a crapload of active defenses, 13k hps, imbued convictions and ressurgences. People already have a hard time dying.
Nepht was trolling you, looks like it worked like a charm, bravo.
I ain't strong but I'd still one shot YOU.
Cry some more.*
You cant masterful dodge Nephts random. ITS IMPOSIBRU \o/
*PvP section expect to be taunted.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Yeah. It totally trolled me.
Just look how rage i am.
Waaah. :mad:
:rolleyes: Seriously. Everyone who is defending the games balance .... its just broken.
Thats the spirit man taunt back \o/
Also I think your idea of an extra 2000 hp has much merit and is a good idea thats easy to put in game.
Also shut up
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Consolidate currency!
Munitions additions
Petition to take in game report spam function out
Why not to do surveys and free offers
Are u kidding? :biggrin:
Ashanta - Playing EvE
That way we can all shoot eachother with FC and hop about with versatility like crackmonkeys like development envisioned, right?
This is UT pulse rifle instagib in low G with a better character creator, fewer maps, inherent aimbot, and more bad performance-hindering choices than ever before at the moment.
But I shouldn't insult UT. At least you have more combat options.
When she says she'd one shot you, it should be clear you're missing the point.
Hp isn't the big deal - as forz said you're stuck trying to break through fast cycling ADs, and that's not counting if they have a def passive or not.
We keep losing folks as each day goes by, and without a major overhaul of the system, starting with rewards, it's not gonna stop.
It's not comming back, the development team did everything they could do to reduce the pvp community to nothing by breaking stealth sight, removing all of our acclaim rewards and making it abundantly clear that they hold no value, no regard for anyone or anything related to pvp so comming here to rage about a corpse is stupid.
The model now is a theme park MMO where people come stop by for a month or two, maybe they will spend a little cash maybe they won't and when they realize how bad this game sucks, how many bugs there are and no end game content they will move on, leaving some cash behind, rinse and repeat. There is no viability for PVP in a theme park MMO model. Time to move on.
same in pvp.
Longer matches is a side effect of good pvp gameplay/balance...not the means of getting good games.
RIP Caine
Take a good, long look at Imbue and fix every possible problem it has.
- Imbue doesn't consume when used on a heal.
Make Active Defenses' shared cooldown unaffected by cooldown reduction.
Take a good, long look at stealth and fix every possible problem it has.
- Too hard to counter, requires legacy gear and SS Int to even begin to think about it.
Suddenly, PvP is in decent shape.
If CO needs PvP, then gut the whole system to change it's focus towards indirect competition- two teams trying to indirectly perform some task better than the other. Obstacle courses / races, DPS races, survival (last person standing against waves of mobs)- that kind of junk. There's a thousand ways to actually play up the strengths of the FF system and keep players competing against other players without falling into the pitfalls of having to balance every power or tier of powers without success (which is what's happened). Direct competition plays up the worst aspects of the FF system.
If you want FF balance and direct competition, there are tons of fun and interesting PvP games other than CO that fulfill that desire, and you should play there because those communities deserve you. If you're not seeking balance in PvP, then my guess is you're enjoying CO PvP as it is and as it has been.
Ummm.. no
Here's the problem with PvP in this game..
..it's in a PVE game.
..like me it has no class[es]
You can't really have total or even great PvP balance in this enviroment unless you nerf powers that have perfectly good PvE uses.
And I for one and sick of PvP peanut butter getting in my PvE chocolate*. This is a PvE game first, PvP is hopefully an interesting side game.
Live with it.
And for the record, you fixes will not work, not in the long term. I've played this game long enough to know, it'll just be something new next week and PvE will have suffered for nothing.
In fact I'm pretty certain some powers never get made for the game, or their potential snuffed out because of how they'd effect PvP.
*ok, you're going to have to be of a certain age to get that joke. If not just read the food references out of the sentence.
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
Where there's love and darkness and my sidearm
In game as @forgemccain
2000%. Seems legit.
This is possibly the funniest thing I've ever read. It's like you took the tears of a teenager who's parents made him look silly at his birthday party, and somehow translated them into a forum post. Well done.
Until the players get their hands on it again. If only we could keep them out of pvp somehow, then it would be perfect... hey wait!
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Also, it lets you skip the mobs in Hi-Pan's alert.
I spent the better half of the day in the PH workin on one character - one way or another her pvp variant was practically following a template, but never to the point of satisfaction.
Waaaay too much work for something that continues to die a slow and painful death.
Wait wut shut up... that is hilarious
Cryptic are never going to remove moves that a lot of PvE players use just to keep the few of us that enjoy PvP happy.
They aint gonna piss off the many to make like 20 people in game happeh.
And its bloody useful in avoiding the Yin Yang attack.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Skarn%27s_Bane
That didn't ever work.
Destroying things that other people enjoy does feel good doesn't it? Haters unite!
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
A melee user closes in and you just push Ascension to get away and heal up while you devastate them from above. Twelve seconds of free, unstoppable, unsnareable R3 Flight is a LONG time in PvE and PvP. Ascension also buffs healing, the strongest form of defense in PvP.
My Lock n Load doesn't give me free unsnareable-unstoppable R3 Acro for twelve seconds, nor does it make my self-heals more potent. Ego Surge doesn't give me unsnareable-unstoppable R3 Superspeed either.
As it is now, Ascension stands far above other Active Offenses. The flight it grants needs to respect Nailed to the Ground and travel power cancelers on maps, then maybe it'll stop being THE thing that unbalances PvP and breaks some PvE maps.
Also, Skarn's Bane is a horrible counter, because it likely won't even work, it self-roots and has a 50 ft range. Good luck getting within 50 ft of someone with Ascension on, who is quickly flying to 100 ft range so they can pelt you with Force Cascades and Ebon Ruins.
Yes I enjoy being a dark demon god creature from other dimensions and I'd be nothing without ascension.
When I RP my dark demon god creature from another dimension, I always make sure to pack R3 Smoke Grenade, Ascension, Imbue and Ebon Ruin, so when some generic hero tries to punch me I can one-shot them and eat their souls.
True story, I was hanging out with my pals in front of Caprice and we had someone telepathically telling us that she was going to kill us. I look up her build on the NOW DEAD character page, and find out she has a carbon copy of Xeno's build.
Oh, pre-On Alert was so much better.
Awww so sad people with Ascension pick on you ima so sad to hear that
I dont want to use ur crappy ego surge I want to use powers I like you seem to like to dictate what people should and should not use.
Next u'll say nerf FF lets all use AT's.
Did i tell you how sad ima feeling
If it aint nades or teleport or heck I even read a thread were someone wanted two gun mojo nerfed people are always nerf herding .
Meh ascension aint gonna get removed or nerfed it aint that great in the first place and the cooldown sucks to much .
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
And you're right. It's unfortunate that Ascension will never be changed or adjusted to be more in-line with the other Active Offenses.
Love how you assume I play a melee or that I'm butthurt. This is why we can't have civilized PvP balance threads.
If they could figure out a way to lock-down certain powers in PvP and duels, fine..
Ask For That.
I'd be fine in supporting that.
Don't keep asking for total removal of a power just because it's a problem for you.
There is a primary part of the game for whom nifty powers is part of the draw, don't nerf that because the PvP community can't pay CO's bills on it's own.
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
Where there's love and darkness and my sidearm
In game as @forgemccain
Can't say the same for melee people.
Wither it applies to you or not, Don't ask for a power to be removed from the game because it inconveniences PVP players.
Ask for a PvP lockout instead.
I'm going to resist all efforts by the PvP community to harm the main game for their own balance whining. Not because I don't care, it's because it never ends.. the will never be an end to the balancing acts, ever.
I support the PvP community when they aren't trying to f-up the main game's powers, functions and areas. But that is all.
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
Where there's love and darkness and my sidearm
In game as @forgemccain
Sure why not fix that, but who cares?
I would have swore this thread was about PvP
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
Where there's love and darkness and my sidearm
In game as @forgemccain
The subject's changed.
But, its able to built up like Permanent-Ascension. And i feel it can be OP using it by myself. I can fly without any flight travel power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-p_CIsHDMM
I say NO for "Bubble is OP!", but I have to say we need some fix for Permanent-Ascension.
It took long time, much Globals and player's energy to build this tho. xD
We don't need any Energy Form to be active for full charging Force Cascade now.
Force Cascade became too much useful by AoPM. I'm using it myself too.
So many people are now using AoPM-Force Cascade (or Ebon Ruin)-Imbue-Conviction-Ascension-Masterful Dodge with over 10k HP, Doing Hero Game became like showroom of very similar copy builds now.
I think we need more Cryptic love for other Ranged/Support passive powers.
And I also think we need more love also for other Melee passives, not just upcoming Night Warrior.
/Signed
Thanks for writing that what i cant with my poor english
You're sure it's Force Cascade that needs to be tinkered with and not ehm... AoPM?
OK I'll turn off the snide just for you ( its hard very hard and it hurts :O )
I can deal with ascension with my melee toons use a lunge stalk the nub \o/
ASScension as I some times call because it isnt great at all, doesnt last long massive cooldown. Heck the few times I use it it is to break out of holds.
I would see your point if the damn thing lasts for like a min or so but were are talking 15 seconds here with over a minute for a cool down.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Otherwise these post are all talk because the DEVS will not put any time or effort into a single thing you or anyone else says until more people show interest in pvp.
Still we have broken turrets in SH, that cannot die, no acclaim rewards where before we had a full vendor, broken stealth mechanics that will soon get worse and unplayable against in PVP (34k CRITS from complete steath that cannot be countered even with legacy gear) 4k crit taps.
The list goes on.
Just let it die already, it was great in it's day but let it rest in peace.
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I'm honestly not amazed after 280 days to come back and still see aopm, ascension, fc/ER. Cycling AD as a core for a solid pvp build.
Ascension can be countered it requires line of sight and being smart; duels in MC only enforce ranged superiority because there is no Los to exploit, it's a bit easier in the games.
It's always been up to the community to make pvp fun. Arms race pvp was never fun and is probably why the pvp is so dead. That and on alert jacking offense through the roof.
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
Where there's love and darkness and my sidearm
In game as @forgemccain
But .. but ... Melee can kill everything with just one tap of DC .. right ? right ??
If you're able to lunge and catch someone using Ascension, they're doing it wrong.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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If she has any sort of Flight, yes she can do it.
Stun and Root affects someone using Ascension.
Using Hold is also one of the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-p_CIsHDMM
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