If you're able to lunge and catch someone using Ascension, they're doing it wrong.
I use Ascension for the heal boost mostly. Not so much to kite. In BASH it's a great escape, sure, and a great way to chase someone down who's running away from me.
Rocket boots plus lunge , I get up close and personal and depending on the situation DW or FC dont see the problem?
That's why I specified "they're doing it wrong" not "you're doing it wrong". If you're able to catch them in melee when they have Ascension it means either they aren't timing their NttG properly or they are using Ascension at the wrong time.
Ascension is a great advantage to have for anyone that wants to stay out of melee. It can be countered, but the counters pretty much always rely on the other person screwing up. And "hope the other person screws up" isn't exactly a shining endorsement of balance.
But hey, I've been retired from PvP for like a year or so. So maybe the metagame's changed now and people got really bad at using Ascension.
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That's why I specified "they're doing it wrong" not "you're doing it wrong". If you're able to catch them in melee when they have Ascension it means either they aren't timing their NttG properly or they are using Ascension at the wrong time.
I think this can be said only for duel.
If someone can use Ascension only at "right time" Team Game or in B.A.S.H., he/she is PvP GOD.
Anyhow, Ascension is just a similar power like EM, Smoke or Teleport used this way. We already had same problem from first day CO started.
Saying PvP is only duels now anyway , PvP isnt dead its rather healthy when compared to DC , CoX , DDO or LoTRo.
People should get it into thar heads that its the Hero Games that have died a death not actually PvP. Hundreds of PvP matches are played out each day in ren cen.
Again Hero games died because of poor teaming and bollocks rewards.
The way to fix Hero Games as others before me have said is fix the rewards people wont care if they get their asses farmed as long as they get some new shiny stuff at the end of it.
And adding an algorithm that sorts out players into more fair teams isnt that hard also and Cryptic you do have the tech.
>_> Some nerds down the stairs from me are working on wut they call TES 3 Arena, a full Quake 3 conversion for Morrowind they showed me how such an algorithm would work , heck the even showed me how to spell algorithm.
If 2 and a half nerds on minimum wage can get something like that working I am pretty Cryptic that has the backing of China's largest computer game company can also do it
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People should get it into thar heads that its the Hero Games that have died a death not actually PvP. Hundreds of PvP matches are played out each day in ren cen.
Nepht my dear, HG is the heart of PvP as can is reflected by the dwindling pvp community. Sure, people still duel in ren cen, but how many of them actually understand the game mechanics. If I happen to pass through MC, its still not a surprise (albeit terribly irritating) to hear someone dueling complaining about something like his/her opponent flying.
There are select number of people that will beat me consistently, but all but one have ER, and the one non ER keeps me slept to eat the full sl/chest beam.
Dueling is pvp - but when dueling is all that's left, its just a matter of time before that too fades away.
If I happen to pass through MC, its still not a surprise (albeit terribly irritating) to hear someone dueling complaining about something like his/her opponent flying.
I was actually in a Duel recently where someone called me a noob for using a device
Whaa? I'm a healer (Mind AT) and I can duel ok. It's just that support roles are designed to support so in a one on one duel usually a dedicated healer is at a disadvantage because we innately do less damage, but we also can be harder to kill.
It is indeed a different skill set to go from playing defensively to offensively though.
I was actually in a Duel recently where someone called me a noob for using a device
Whaa? I'm a healer (Mind AT) and I can duel ok. It's just that support roles are designed to support so in a one on one duel usually a dedicated healer is at a disadvantage because we innately do less damage, but we also can be harder to kill.
It is indeed a different skill set to go from playing defensively to offensively though.
I fail to see any point you are trying to make? Unless your point is to say how cool you think you must be.
I think, however, the healer comment you are attempting to reply too has been highly misunderstood by you. Freeform healers in PvP might have 1 attack but a lot just use an energy builder and thats it. They are pretty much impossible to kill, and in the same hand they have an impossible time killing others. They are designed for UTC & Stronghold Hero Games mostly. For support in a team environment.
If I happen to pass through MC, its still not a surprise (albeit terribly irritating) to hear someone dueling complaining about something like his/her opponent flying.
I was just giving another example of someone complaining about someone else using an in game mechanic.
It's just that support roles are designed to support so in a one on one duel usually a dedicated healer is at a disadvantage because we innately do less damage, but we also can be harder to kill.
Freeform healers in PvP might have 1 attack but a lot just use an energy builder and thats it. They are pretty much impossible to kill, and in the same hand they have an impossible time killing others. They are designed for UTC & Stronghold Hero Games mostly. For support in a team environment.
It is indeed a different skill set to go from playing defensively to offensively though.
I was really speaking from personal experience because I am very used to playing defensively, so when dueling and playing BASH I have to get into a offensive mindset which I am still working on.
Anyways, I hope I have cleared up what I meant to you now and hopefully you see that I did indeed understand the healer comment. I also hope you see that I was in no way bragging, but just saying that not all healers should be generalized.
Nepht my dear, HG is the heart of PvP as can is reflected by the dwindling pvp community. Sure, people still duel in ren cen, but how many of them actually understand the game mechanics. If I happen to pass through MC, its still not a surprise (albeit terribly irritating) to hear someone dueling complaining about something like his/her opponent flying.
There are select number of people that will beat me consistently, but all but one have ER, and the one non ER keeps me slept to eat the full sl/chest beam.
Dueling is pvp - but when dueling is all that's left, its just a matter of time before that too fades away.
I agree with 80% of what your saying ..pvp is dull without a fully working HG but I doubt dueling will ever fade out ..seems the opposite is happening more people are dueling.
If only we could get em all to q for some cage matches that be just grand
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I should say like this. "Someone specialized for Heal without any offense power has no place in duel and B.A.S.H." xD
We still had place in UTC and SH even we were for "full support".
Ugh.. can we stop futzing with powers to please the PvP crowd?
Or let us keep PvE versions..
Wait, no I got it!!
Lets get a new, shinny PvP power set.
Three EB, on ranged, one melee and one aoe melee
A couple of close in aoe powers, a singe, cone and an aoe
A couple of ranged powers, a long range, a cone and a blast
A heal, one heal other, one heals self
One active defense
One active offense
two passive, on defensive and one offensive
A lungs, and a few other utility powers
Make the mall literally named and generic with very bat-man tv show 'bam' 'Pow' FX
All PvP balancing with be with -these- powers alone.
I don't think this will be a popular idea but I think it might be necessary to stop the FotM and constant 'nerf this' threads.
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I certainly do not want pvp to be limited to just a fix set of powers then everyone will be like everyone and everyone will play the same way as everyone. It will just be like FotM except they are fixed. FotM still has a chance to vary if someone comes along with another flavour which is better and everyone starts to switch over. I admit currently most pvp builds are quite similar but not all.
I certainly do not want pvp to be limited to just a fix set of powers then everyone will be like everyone and everyone will play the same way as everyone.
Oh come on, then it would really be about skill wouldn't it?
I'm kind of kidding.
But there could be a tier of PvP that only used the PvP Set.
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I use Ascension for the heal boost mostly. Not so much to kite. In BASH it's a great escape, sure, and a great way to chase someone down who's running away from me.
Pvp needs to be rewarding and fun to find a new life - I don't see that happening long term ever again.
Rocket boots plus lunge , I get up close and personal and depending on the situation DW or FC dont see the problem?
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That's why I specified "they're doing it wrong" not "you're doing it wrong". If you're able to catch them in melee when they have Ascension it means either they aren't timing their NttG properly or they are using Ascension at the wrong time.
Ascension is a great advantage to have for anyone that wants to stay out of melee. It can be countered, but the counters pretty much always rely on the other person screwing up. And "hope the other person screws up" isn't exactly a shining endorsement of balance.
But hey, I've been retired from PvP for like a year or so. So maybe the metagame's changed now and people got really bad at using Ascension.
(I like typing it because I've just now gotten over the subliminal urge to consistently misspell it. Go me)
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I think this can be said only for duel.
If someone can use Ascension only at "right time" Team Game or in B.A.S.H., he/she is PvP GOD.
Anyhow, Ascension is just a similar power like EM, Smoke or Teleport used this way. We already had same problem from first day CO started.
People should get it into thar heads that its the Hero Games that have died a death not actually PvP. Hundreds of PvP matches are played out each day in ren cen.
Again Hero games died because of poor teaming and bollocks rewards.
The way to fix Hero Games as others before me have said is fix the rewards people wont care if they get their asses farmed as long as they get some new shiny stuff at the end of it.
And adding an algorithm that sorts out players into more fair teams isnt that hard also and Cryptic you do have the tech.
>_> Some nerds down the stairs from me are working on wut they call TES 3 Arena, a full Quake 3 conversion for Morrowind they showed me how such an algorithm would work , heck the even showed me how to spell algorithm.
If 2 and a half nerds on minimum wage can get something like that working I am pretty Cryptic that has the backing of China's largest computer game company can also do it
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Nepht my dear, HG is the heart of PvP as can is reflected by the dwindling pvp community. Sure, people still duel in ren cen, but how many of them actually understand the game mechanics. If I happen to pass through MC, its still not a surprise (albeit terribly irritating) to hear someone dueling complaining about something like his/her opponent flying.
There are select number of people that will beat me consistently, but all but one have ER, and the one non ER keeps me slept to eat the full sl/chest beam.
Dueling is pvp - but when dueling is all that's left, its just a matter of time before that too fades away.
And Healer has no place in duels. >.<
It is indeed a different skill set to go from playing defensively to offensively though.
I fail to see any point you are trying to make? Unless your point is to say how cool you think you must be.
I think, however, the healer comment you are attempting to reply too has been highly misunderstood by you. Freeform healers in PvP might have 1 attack but a lot just use an energy builder and thats it. They are pretty much impossible to kill, and in the same hand they have an impossible time killing others. They are designed for UTC & Stronghold Hero Games mostly. For support in a team environment.
Ok. I will break down my post for you.
When I said,
It was in response to this I was just giving another example of someone complaining about someone else using an in game mechanic.
Then, I said, In Response to this I was just giving an example that the blanket statement made about healers may not apply to all healers.
Next I Said this, Which is very similar to this :redface:
Finally when I said, I was really speaking from personal experience because I am very used to playing defensively, so when dueling and playing BASH I have to get into a offensive mindset which I am still working on.
Anyways, I hope I have cleared up what I meant to you now and hopefully you see that I did indeed understand the healer comment. I also hope you see that I was in no way bragging, but just saying that not all healers should be generalized.
Fix powers. I won't say how, I don't care how. You got us into this. Put yourself in our shoes. Just fix it.
Jack up Acclaim bonus during those special hours.
Release one new UTC venue.
Send out an email.
We still had place in UTC and SH even we were for "full support".
I agree with 80% of what your saying ..pvp is dull without a fully working HG but I doubt dueling will ever fade out ..seems the opposite is happening more people are dueling.
If only we could get em all to q for some cage matches that be just grand
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Ugh.. can we stop futzing with powers to please the PvP crowd?
Or let us keep PvE versions..
Wait, no I got it!!
Lets get a new, shinny PvP power set.
Three EB, on ranged, one melee and one aoe melee
A couple of close in aoe powers, a singe, cone and an aoe
A couple of ranged powers, a long range, a cone and a blast
A heal, one heal other, one heals self
One active defense
One active offense
two passive, on defensive and one offensive
A lungs, and a few other utility powers
Make the mall literally named and generic with very bat-man tv show 'bam' 'Pow' FX
All PvP balancing with be with -these- powers alone.
I don't think this will be a popular idea but I think it might be necessary to stop the FotM and constant 'nerf this' threads.
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
Where there's love and darkness and my sidearm
In game as @forgemccain
Oh come on, then it would really be about skill wouldn't it?
I'm kind of kidding.
But there could be a tier of PvP that only used the PvP Set.
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
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Yes to this. I am sorry if something works great in PVE and people want it nerfed in PVP because its too powerful then I just couldn't care less.
That being said, it would be cool for powers to be changed for PVP and Only PVP. That way we each can get what we want.:biggrin:
I want this as AT. xD
BTW I love AGX-04 and Cima Garahau very much. xD