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omally15
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I was doing the quest Reptile's Retreat, and I had just walked out of the instance. As soon as I did, I got ambushed by about 10 NPC's. I managed to take out 7 or 8 of them before being "knocked out".
As soon as I walk out of an instance, I get an ambush due to bad programming and bad NPC placement? Is this a joke? Does every programmer seriously lack the common sense to not spam about a dozen NPC's right outside of a walkable instance?
That's just sad. WoW didn't even pull this crap at launch, and that was 2004. And the only reason I'm using WoW as an example is because every MMO, literally EVERY MMO TO DATE, has ripped off of that franchise's mechanics, including this one (using 1-0 as a toolbar, a quest system, and if anyone denies it, they're delusional).
As soon as I walk out of an instance, I get an ambush due to bad programming and bad NPC placement? Is this a joke? Does every programmer seriously lack the common sense to not spam about a dozen NPC's right outside of a walkable instance?
That's just sad. WoW didn't even pull this crap at launch, and that was 2004. And the only reason I'm using WoW as an example is because every MMO, literally EVERY MMO TO DATE, has ripped off of that franchise's mechanics, including this one (using 1-0 as a toolbar, a quest system, and if anyone denies it, they're delusional).
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The mechanics you are describing as having been ripped from WoW predate that game's existence by a matter of no some years.
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Back on topic - sadly, such spawns are common in CO. There is also cave on MI where Viper Infiltrators are spawned in their stealth state near to the entrance. Another such location is on the desert, thankfully there Infiltrators aren't stealthed.
Quite bad design, indeed. Not really problematic with smoke nade and jet pack, but bad design nonetheless.
Damn... Ninja'ed by ashen.
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Not to mention one building in Canada where bigfoot warlord with retinue is spawned very close to the entrance which can be hooked to the random help-a-citizen mission for the lower levels...
Basically, your best bet is having any flight power and run to the instance/start flying after exiting from instance as fast as you can - perfectly doable but it's only a player made workaround for an unnecessary nuisance.
Seriously? are you one of those people that think WoW is the first MMO ever? Don't make me laugh. There are many MMO's that Predate WoW by years. So like it has been said, if anyone ripped off anything it was WoW ripping off its predecessors. :biggrin:
Anyways, when you entered the instance did you have to kill a couple mobs to get to the door? if so common logic dictates that they will most likely be there when you leave. Also based on "my" experience, mobs will not automatically target you the moment you load in. Unless otherwise provoked by an attack.
example: I finished clearing one of the purple gang missions with 3 of those tough gang guys guarding the instance door with a bunch of trash mobs as well. I zone back in and "surprise" they have respawned, but none of them attacked me. I just sat there for a couple seconds, then charged flight and flew off. Not a single mob hit me.
Loved entering the starting area... Qeynos I think, and getting jumped by that dang Werewolf everyone ran from :biggrin:
guild wars anyone.........no ripping there.....or cloning......or ....whatever WoW has....
Oh wait, no they're not, they're just open missions. Generic fantasy game #323 is awesome!
Nah .. WoW has invented it all .. WoW has even created Mankind .. humans have not even
existed before we saw them first at WoW
2) Add the additional note that this game is one of the most distant MMOs from WoW I've played so far. Almost everything about this game is pretty different from WoW--combat mechanics are different, customization (both visual and ability-wise) is miles away different, the setting is obviously different, /not a WoW clone--except for the part that both games being "MMOs" they're bound to share at least some similarities, because they're... you know--MMORPGs. And the game having a 10 icon power tray probably springs from the facts that our keyboards have numbers on top that go from 1 to 0 (where "0" is the 10th key) and these keys are generally used as key shortcuts for our powers in every single MMO (duh), plus the deca system is rampant and things grouped in 10s are pretty common as a form of measurement.
3) On the actual topic: Yeah, I agree that mobs lying waiting for you right at the door to an instance are pretty lame, though, I don't think that they happen that often in this game, but they do happen occasionally. As someone already mentioned mobs also don't normally automatically target you uppon exiting an instance, so it might be best to look out for them and if you do see mobs at the door uppon existing, set up your defenses and try to run away first rather than automatically try to attack them or you will agro the entire mob at that point and force yourself into a fight. Though, I don't entirely blame you for having to run into this issue, but given the layout of some instances (such as doors inside enemy bases common in some missions dealing with Argent or Viper) I suspect that they're kinda hard to avoid as design flaws.
Yes, you literally are...
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Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
And the 10 mob ambush has never happened to me, maybe the 1 VIPER guy coming thru the entrance about the same time as me but thats about it.
And LOL's about the WoW...
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since when does guild wars have dynamic events?.......it's instances and story based.....:rolleyes:
Oh my bad, after all your talk of Guild Wars 2, I thought you were referring to your little prized jewel.
Sorry then, I'll change that to generic fantasy game #247.
do we know each other then?
Hmmmm.......reads the psycho-babble......wonders wth......reads again......oh WoW player........randomly looks at the posters's forum id......puts wow+id together = troll :rolleyes:. Math is wonderfull you all!!! Long live the stuff of nonsense!!!
Seriously:
You died and then respawned with only the loss of a star. Are you seriously whining about that?:eek: Here is a PRO TIP: press Respawn and continue playing instead of wasting your time making this ridiculous thread.
But I lost all motivation to do so when, based on the OPs name alone, I figured this whole topic is some grand troll.
And I, refuse to be baited *stands proudly* :biggrin:
But, I did respond......so.....dang
Im a gonna go back to my corner now.
WoW is the Al Gore of MMOs...
:rolleyes:
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
Yes because anyone that's played WoW before or references it in a rage post is a troll.
PRO TIP: Learn what irony is.
Dont you people know your history. No, not that stuff you hear on the interwebs, but the real history of things. Ok, lemme splain.
WoW, created Al Gore. So that he could create the internets. They were going to use him as a puppet to rule the world. You know, kinda like in the Manchurian Candidate. But Florida rebelled, something about the heat and blue hair dye messing up the implanted micro chips. So he lost and WoW dumped him.
It was at that point WoW created Steve Jobs as a replacement.
True story. :biggrin:
LOL not before you learn to read :rolleyes:.
Have you read the OP? What exactly do you call someone who complains about the loss of a star because of a most probably scripted event (mission or nemesis based). It's not a bug it's part of the mission and loosing a star is no big deal.
I would think it would be common sense to avoid the combat altogether if it was more than you could handle.
There are plenty of things to complain about in CO. I don't see this as one of them.
Can we talk about The Elder Scrolls Online instead? People say it's such a WoW Clone!! :cool:
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Yup, read the whole thing. I've also read your post history as well and you're the last person who should be calling someone else a troll. -insert sarcastic smiley for effect-
As for the mission being at fault. The only mission event that requires you to get knocked out is the one that gets you into Project Stein in the desert. Reptile's Retreat takes place in Downtown MC, the door to the indoor portion of the mission does have regularly spawned mobs but they only appear one at a time, won't aggro at the door unless you shoot first and are scripted to make a bee line to the the top of the stairs if they aren't messed with. The door also doesn't trigger an ambush upon exiting. Nemesis minions sound like they may have been responsible but they don't appear in groups larger than four and are as strong as a wet paper sack.
Was this exaggerated? Probably. Was this a trolling attempt? Probably not. Learn to spot the difference between an angry post and a troll post.
You don't say huh. Well that's interesting since I can't see my post history from before the PW transfer anymore so how can you? :rolleyes:. Please spare me the nonsense OK. You act as if there is some sort of evidence but you know what? You don't provide any of it and your so called claim of knowing/reading my post history is nothing but a bad joke.
Most people that posted in this thread agree with me so why don't you go and read their "post history" and tell them that you KNOW that they are this and that and whatnot based on obvious nonsense and thin air. :rolleyes:
Anyone can just make up ridiculous claims such as yours. If they are true then back them up.
Feel free to believe what you like, if that includes the impossibility of me having read your posts or having spoken with you before on these forums before the new format took place then so be it. I'm not about to go quoting "Archived Post" to prove anything to you.
About that. There are two instances of the word "troll" on page 2. One from you and the other from Sockmunkey. One was done in jest and the other was yours.
I think it's safe to say we can all agree that this was an angry reaction from the OP but applying "most people that posted in this thread agree" to the trolling bit would be pushing it.
My point about the mission still stands though.
That's pretty damned hilarious.
And Champions just ripped off open missions from Warhammer, but it doesn't matter who did it first but who does it best.
And Guild Wars 2 does it best.
Edit: Arenanet is really the master of illusion. They just changes the "kill 0/50 centaures" to a nice looking loadbar and all are happy.
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they also have 7 million fans and are at the top of the MMO world, cryptic on the other hand.......:rolleyes:
Where did you get the seven million fans number ?
I am an ANet fan myself, but the last I checked they had seven million sales of all GW1 boxes combined. Since many (if not most) of the sequel boxes would have been sold to the same people who bought the previous boxes (and some people such as myself had multiples of each box) that seven million sales is likely to represent less than half that many actual players, and perhaps as low as a third as many.
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Argumentum ad populum.:rolleyes:
Eat crap, all those beetles and flies cannot be wrong!! :cool:
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So Cryptic should downgrade also the Graphics to WoW niveau, cause 12 millions like that
and so it simply must be the best
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
Ok, im gonna go hide now before folks chase me down *poofs*
GW is not WoW, it's like saying CO is the same as CoH........
GW is a fully story based game with everything against the flow a regular MMO has, WoW is a clone of every regular MMO out there.
....wait, i could also link to all the previews about GW and GW2 about why the game is so good, then again searching for an article about how good CO is is simply an impossibility.
but if you guy's just talk BS just to justify all the flaws in CO, you're the only one deluding your self.
*poofs back in*
Wait?! Didnt you just argue that WoW was the best. Simply due to numbers....
Why yes. Yes you did.
So, if WoW = awesome. and GW is doing everything different, you know "against the flow of regular MMOs" Would that not mean that by being an inverse to WoW it must then suck?
I know logic problems are hard and all, but it seems your own arguments are at odds with each other.
Perplexing.
Anyhow carry on.
*poofs back out*
Do you really expect coherent responses about tastes???
*rolls out, giggling*
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So why then argue with the 7 Millions ? If that should be an argument that a game is good
then that also means that WoW >> All.
Btw.: i also wait for GW2, but i never like GW1 really. But if GW2 will be fun for longer,
i'm still not sure about that, and i also fear running around searching for Public Events
all day long, can get old very fast.
Sorry man, you are a bit off. He said that Arena Net has 7 million fans and is at the top...Not WoW.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
I've read tons of great reviews of games that I thought sucked. I've read horrible reviews of games that I thought were great. Reviews are nothing but opinion, just as valid as any other opinion expressed anywhere else, including these forums. (In fact, some reviews are paid for by the game manufacturer, making them far less valid than a mere opinion). Reviews (or previews) mean pretty much diddly/squat to me.
For the record, both my wife and I played GW. Neither of us liked it (:eek:)...
CO is my no means perfect, but for close it 3 years it's been my favorite MMO, bar none. And THAT is all that matters to me...
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
Go play World of ********. Problem solved.
EDIT - lol, look what got censored.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Nightwatch
Wristwatch
World of ********
**** (A i o n)
Oh, that's just too funny!
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!