Devices are just a scam, give me more powers options

psychicslug · November 2023

Wonder as to why we don't get new powers, well devices that you can get, that are bound to the character are a way to limit powers and make money. Where as before they would make a power or set of them and then all could make many characters using them. This limits it to only one, power unlocks were the start of power limiting. Another was limits of number of characters you can make, this has gotten out of hand and i for one am tired of this game being little more than a fashion show of which i can't make any more characters as i am at 140 or so so way over the limit. this has stifled my creative ability to a point i rarely even log on long any more as even getting something you are now force to do things like 10 times or so.

I am just going to log off for maybe a year or so and do something more fun like watching paint dry or hit my head with a hammer. The forced game play and constant hurdles you make a person jump through just for a different power look or some cosmetic costume option is just stupid. The game was fun this would not be as big an issue as it is, but the fun has been sucked out beaten to death skinned and the hid tacked up and tanned and cryptic is wearing it as a suit to board meetings with a smile.

jaazaniah1 · November 2023

The devs say that revamping power sets is hard. Devices are easier and they claim that players love devices (not sure if this is from a systematic stratifed random pol, or if they just asked their friends). I do agree that powers useable across all characters are much better (by far) than the devices the devs have become so fond of.

rhymere · November 2023

I love devices. I just wish they were account bound.

avianos · November 2023

I didn't bother farming nor buying the new Bloodmoon Devices! I have my own powers to apply the Debuffs
As for the Toxic Melee PVDs, I have a Dual Blade Toxic melee build and I'M NOT sacrificing my Dual Blade weapon skins for Radioctive Ego Blades, it ruins my aesthetic for this reason alone!
EDIT: after some calculations and PTS testing, I gave in because the PVDs make the Theme build more optimized and stable, RIP Dual MA Blades

At least that Mutated Axe skin from TT available in TK skins is a nice replacement for what i was using

In my opinion the PVDs, even though they can be fun and creative, they are causing a lot of damage and extended Gaps to the unrevamped powerframes which inner core is still stuck on Pre-Alert era!
Gadget Powerframe is basically a JOKE now

Not only that, Melee PVDs have their respective debuffs stuck on range only (Sonic and Electric damage for example but TOXIC blades PVD was given a melee Debuff WTH?) creating a whole GAP between Theme and Build Efficiency!
Take Electric Vengeance PVD for example, oh cool Electric Melee power, but no melee power to apply the Electric Debuff!

Also it's freaking hilarious they wasted DEV Time to create the Havoc Hammer PVD only to waste additional DEV time to nerf it and make it useless! WELL DONE!

As good as NERFING the entire vehicle system instead of fixing and revamping an entire powerframe, 10/10

The Devices/PVDs are the Carrot on the Stick and the CO playerbase is the Donkey that keeps falling for it!

I wished for ELEMENTAL Melee powers, and the Monkey Paw has corrupted my Wish!
Can't wait to get Fire Melee PVDs with Bestial as Base /s

godhandxiii · November 2023

I don't hate devices at all, but I like them as something to complement or fill a gap for your build, not something that's central to a build in the way that PVDs are. I've suggested this before but... yeah.

In-character-wise, the concept of PVDs can be stupid too. It's like being Human Torch, except he needs a flamethrower to function instead of relying on his own powers.

I really wish I'd get an answer though - is this a database issue that's making new powers "hard?" From a scripting standpoint, how the devices function should practically be the same as the powers. PVDs even cross reference power ranks (which could potentially even spiral into more spaghetti code) so... what is going on here?

omega2764 · February 27

I think devices are a fun way to get more powers outside your limit or AT. I just wish some of them had shorter cooldowns and that some of the event ones were account bound instead of character.

qawsada · February 29

Making a new power require 3 animation and fx for each Rank. This alone was touted as the reason why there aren't any new powers as of late. PVD only require one animation in comparison, and its "profitable".

spookyspectre · February 29

The new power Sonic Beam came out about a week ago. I'd rather another power set revamp over new powers personally. The Earth power set, in particular, since it seems subpar compared to others.

jaazaniah1 · February 29

qawsada wrote: »

Making a new power require 3 animation and fx for each Rank. This alone was touted as the reason why there aren't any new powers as of late. PVD only require one animation in comparison, and its "profitable".

For someone like me (100 characters) this math doesn't work. I'd much rather the devs spend 3x the time to revamp/create powers that I can potentially use on many characters than on a device that I will only use on one character.

warcanch · March 7

jaazaniah1 wrote: »

qawsada wrote: »

Making a new power require 3 animation and fx for each Rank. This alone was touted as the reason why there aren't any new powers as of late. PVD only require one animation in comparison, and its "profitable".

For someone like me (100 characters) this math doesn't work. I'd much rather the devs spend 3x the time to revamp/create powers that I can potentially use on many characters than on a device that I will only use on one character.

Even if I'd like to use the device on a few characters, the chance of getting ONE drop, let alone multiples is very low. So many players never see a single drop for themselves, while others can get multiples. And, if it is new, then the price of the new PVD is so outrageous on the AH due to it's rarity.

I suppose THAT is the point though. Make the players PLAY (farm) in order to (maybe) get one as a drop. At least the ones released during a Blood Moon(?) event were added to the SCR store. So, you could farm tokens and, as long as you had the requisite perk, you could just outright buy it there.

jaazaniah1 · March 7

The PVDs are such rare drops that I don't even bother to try to farm for them.

andondarkmore · March 8

Maybe they can simulate a new power set with Devices. They may need a method of Grouping them and make the Bind to Account.

jaazaniah1 · March 13

Thaat's the way the original PnP game works. However, the original CO devs didn't go that route. Maybe they feared there would be even more mini-maxing than there is now? Maybe it was too complicated? Who knows. But this would be such a massive overhaul of the basic game that it will never, ever happen.

locochoco · March 16

mysterygrayleaf#8549 wrote: »

I've been on and off since 2009, the game has yet to get good in gameplay. Whereas the way powers are implemented are boring, lackluster, uninspired.

Which is why, I don't think anything of that will ever be actively targeted. We never got anything of true major significance post-F2P. Most of that content was already being worked on around 2010.

I agree. I was praying, still am, that Gearbox was aware enough to see what they inherited on the Cryptic deal, and develop a CO 2rd Age, or some sequel game that appeals to both returning and current player as well as new players who want a good, quality cbm mmo.

But there doesn't seem to be an awareness surrounding what they can do going forward, and the gameplay/writing just doesn't excuse the poor character aesthetics.

I've tried to get a few people, ex-DCUO players on CO, but it just didn't click when it should have on paper.

jaazaniah1 · March 16

mysterygrayleaf#8549 wrote: »

I feel like new staff will have a higher chance for an overhaul than old staff.

Not unless they (new owners) think that what they do (putting money into CO) is going to bring in more return on ivestment, which no owner of CO since the beginning seems to have believed. Throwing good money after bad, and all that.

I feel kind of bad of all the wasted resources that went into dead end vehicles and the inept Onslaught system. How many better things could those resources have been used on. Sigh.

jonsills · March 20

Watched the Twitch livestream with the execs today, and I was a little surprised. I was hoping to hear CO would at least remain in maintenance mode, but they were talking about a new mission, which (to the best of my knowledge) hasn't come about since the Cobra mess at the docks! All remains to be seen, of course (I've long since learned not to believe anything here until it actually comes across my screen), but at the very least the game won't be going away despite my concerns.

renegade0 · March 23

At this point, I'd like to have more Device slots since I doubt they'd raise the level cap for more power slots, lol

warcanch · March 23

renegade0 wrote: »

At this point, I'd like to have more Device slots since I doubt they'd raise the level cap for more power slots, lol

+1
Another Device slot bar (5 slots) would be welcome.

Devices are just a scam, give me more powers options

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