Feedback Thread: Powers

kaiserin · July 2022

FC.31.20220721.2

Force

Dev Note: Force has been made to work with its shields a bit more and given some general Forms and Energy Unlocks. There are some additional changes I'd like to make to the passives (giving Personal Force Field something to better restore its shield effects, turning Inertial Dampening Field into a support passive, etc), but due to time constraints those may not happen this patch cycle.

New Effect: Power Shield

Places a shield on a enemy target, striking the target returns energy to you. The shield does not provide any damage absorption.

Force Blast

New Adv (2): Applies Demolish on full charge.
New Adv (2): Fully charging this power applies a shield effect on you. Scales with your protection Field rank.

Crushing Wave

Moved to Tier 1.
Changed to apply every 0.5 seconds (from 1).
Disruptive Force: Chance to knock down every hit.
New Adv (2): Chance to apply a Power Shield to targets.
New Adv (2): Maintaining this power temporarily shields you.

Kinetic Manipulation

Added knock resistance.

Gravitic Ripple

Corrected fx for area effect.
No longer applies gravity well.
This power now repels away targets.
Changed activation period ot 0.5 seconds (from 1).
Reduced cooldown to 10 seconds (from 30).
New Adv (2): Repels targets towards you instead of away.

Force Eruption

Gravitational Polarity Adv: Now applies a Power Field Rune in place of its old effect, which restores energy over time.
New Adv (3): if you are affected by a direct Shield effect, removes it and shields nearby allies.

Protection Field

Fixed a bug where it stated the energy gained from this power scaled with Ego. It scales with Recovery.
Expel Impurity Adv: Reduced cost to 1. Number of effects removed now scales with rank. Can now remove most damage over time effects.
New Adv (1): Applies breakout damage to the target.

Redirected Force

This power is now an Active Ultimate.
Provides a continuous shield to yourself and allies that uses resistance.
Gratly increases knock resistance of yourself and allies.
Makes you immune to most forms of control effects while maintaining.
Allies hit grants you energy.
Grants a stacking buff that increases your base damage for a short time. This effect expires once you attack.
New Advantage (1): This power counts as using a block for power interaction purposes for a short time. This does not grant any buffs, it only provides protections against powers that check if you are blocking for interaction purposes. The duration increases based on the rank of your Force Shield power.

Force Cascade

Reduced the damage on this power.
New Advantage (2): Turns this power into a single target ability. Boosts damage.
New Advantage (2): If you are affected by a direct Shield effect, when fully charged consumes the shield, increases the radius of this power and deals additional damage to secondary targets. If your target is affected by a shield effect, deals additional damage around them.
Removed Containment Blast advantage.

Gravity Driver

Reduced damage.
Removed Stun effect.
Knockdown can now apply to all affected targets.
New Adv (2): Applies a Stun to targets.

Force Geyser

New Adv (2): Applies Power Shield to nearby targets.

Containment Field

New Adv (2): Applies Power Shield to nearby targets.

Force Detonation

Corrected power cost.
Now deals increased damage against knock immune targets.

New Power: Force Control

Form
Boosts ranged damage primarily. Scales off of Endurance.
Triggers when attempting to knock a target.
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New Power: Vital Shielding

Form
Boosts healing ands shield strength. Scales off of Endurance.
Triggers when applying any direct shield effect or inverting shield effects.
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New Power: Impact Force
Energy Unlock
Scales off of Endurance and Recovery.
Triggers when attempting to knock a target.
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New Power: Power Barrier

Energy Unlock
Scales off of Endurance and Recovery.
Triggers when applying any direct shield effect or inverting shield effects.
Placeholder icon.

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kaiserin · July 2022

Ultimates

Crashing Incantation

Increased range to 25ft (from 20).

Mental Impact

Increased range to 25ft (From 20).
Increased damage.

Vorpal Blade/Bladed Fury/Meltdown

Increased range to 20ft (from 15).

Meteor Blaze

Increased range of initial hit to 25ft (from 20).
Increased Pyre Patch damage.

Planar Fracture

Fixed a bug where the damage from this power did not count as a Sorcery ability.
Increased damage.

Corrosive Pit

Fixed a bug where the pit effect could critically hit.
Increased damage.

EndBringer's Grasp

Increased range to 25ft (from 15).
FX adjustments.

Wind

Wind Reverberation

This power should apply more reliably against Repel immune targets.

Hurricane

Fixed incorrect power cost.
Moved this power to Tier 2.

New power: Weather Shaping

Form
Boosts ranged damage primarily. Scales off of Endurance.
Triggers when attempting to Repel a target.

Ice

Icicle Spear

Removed bonus damage with Chill stacks.
Increased base damage of power.
New Adv (2): Increases base damage based on number of your Chill stacks on a target.

Ice objects

Lots of under the hood changes have been made to Ice Objects made by ice powers for optimization purposes. Please check to make sure they are functioning properly.

Wall of Ice

Increased duration to 16 seconds (from 6).
Increased overall damage.
Reduced chance to apply Chilled to 15% (from 50) due to duration increase. Chance now increases with rank.
New Adv (2): Instead of applying Chilled, this power can now apply Bleed.

Martial Arts

Shadow Strike

This power has been removed from Night Warrior and is now an Ultimate power.
Reduced damage.
This power can now critically hit.
Increased activation time to 1 sec.
This power is considered to be a Claws power for mod purposes.

Night Warrior

No longer ignores defenses.
Increased damage bonus.
Increased Avoidance Rating.

Stealth

Reduced bonus damage at R3.
Increased Perception Stealth bonus.
Updated Stealth fx.

Munitions

Hold Out Shot

New Adv (2): Applies Frail Armor to targets.

Bullet Ballet

Updated tooltip.

Two-Gun Mojo

Close the Gap Adv: Increased bonus damage to 35% (from 30).

Rocket

Reduced cooldown to 15 seconds (from 20).

Concussion Grenade

New Adv (2): Applies Demolish to your primary target if they are affected by Disorient.
New Adv (2): Applies Disorient to targets.

Mini Mines

New Adv (2): Applies Disorient to targets.

Misc

Armor Piercing/No Quarter/Burn Through

These debuffs are now considered personal debuffs. Only the person who applied the debuff can now benefit from their effects.

Repel

All player repel effects now grant repel resistance. Against npcs this effect is minor, where against players this effect grants a greater resistance boost.

Energy Form

This effect has been retired. If you find any mentions of it, please report it.

New Effect: Frail Armor

Reduces Piercing damage resistance on a target.

Desperate Shot

New Adv (2): Applies Frail Armor to targets.
Updated tooltips.

Nuclear Shockwave

Lowered Damage.
Reduced cooldown to 15 seconds (from 30).

Energy Wave

Reduced cooldown to 10 seconds (from 15).
Fixed incorrect power cost.

Ball Lightning

Fixed incorrect power cost.

Call To Battle

Reduced cooldown to 20 seconds (from 30).
New Adv (1): Using a damaging Brick power reduces the cooldown on this power.

Howl

Reduced cooldown to 20 seconds (from 30).
New Adv (1): Using a damaging Supernatural power reduces the cooldown on this power.

Moonstruck

Frenzy Adv: Removed cooldown effect. Now adds shield effect to the caster while standing in Moonlight if you have used the Howl power.

Tractor Beam

Final Delivery Adv: Fixed a bug where this knock ignored resistances.

Ricochet Throw

Moved to Tier 0.
New Adv (2): Fully charging this power applies Shredded to your initial target.

Banish

New Adv (2): Applies Power Shield to nearby targets.

Holy Water

Increased breakfree damage.

Mindful Reinforcement

Revitalizing Boost: Fixed an issue where this advantage was scaling off the target's Presence.
New Adv (1): Applies breakout damage to the target.

Lance Rain

Reduced cooldown to 10 seconds (from 20).

Defile

New Adv (2): Increases base damage based on the number of poison stacks on a target.

Devices

Demonic Flesh Graft/Force Shield Belt

Reduced cooldown to 60 seconds (from 180).

Specs

Vulnerability/Trapped/Initiative/Debilitating Challenge/Rend

Updated tooltips.

Honor

Changed to boost base damage.
Reduced damage boost to 2.5% (from 5) to account for base damage boost.
Changed to only trigger on direct heals.
Will no longer expire on dots.

Enforcer

Now affects ranged combo powers.

Arbiter/Overseer Ruthless

Increased max count to 3 (from 2).

Arbiter Aura/Overseer Aura
These specs have been retired.
Dev note: The damage bonuses on these specs were negligible. We chose not to buff them due to teamwide auras like that being taxing on the game.

Enhanced Mending

This spec will be replacing Arbiter Aura and Overseer Aura.
Increases the duration of Rune powers when attacking.

Arbiter Mastery

Can no longer heal targets at full health.
Heal can no longer be dodged.

Wither

This effect was being applied directly on the Mez effect, which prevented it from being used against any target that was immune to those effects. This effect has now been changed to work on those targets, and its duration scales based on rank of the target.

FC.31.20220721.4

Powers

Power Shield

Effect can now be refreshed.

Shield Effects

Direct Shields and Personal Force Field now credit during open missions.
Note: Some open missions may not credit damage taken, please call those out.

Shadow Pact/Gravitic Ripple
Fixed a bug where this wasn't triggering Repel effects.

Icicle Spear

Fixed a bug where this power was innately applying Clinging Flames.

Ice Cages

Fixed a bug where Ice Cages were not triggering specs that triggered off of roots.

Force Detonation

Made the Field Inversion effect innate to this ability.
New Adv (2): Knocks Up targets instead of back.
New Adv (2): Applies Restoration.

Force Eruption

Field Expulsion: Shield effect will no longer trigger if there are no applicable targets nearby.

Shadow Strike

Fixed an issue with the R3 damage.

Force Bolts

New Adv (2): Chance to apply Power Shield.

Containment Field/Banish

Now applies Power Shield on immune targets.

Field Surge

The amount it repairs your Personal Force Field now scales with how potent it is.
Increases the regeneration of PFF as if you were blocking.
Shield granted by this power now takes into account your resistances.

Sorcery Aura Passives/Medical Nanites

Updated the way these powers grant their bonuses for optimization purposes. Please check to make sure they are applying properly.

Sentinel Aura

This specialization will now only trigger while in combat.

Inertial Dampening Field

This power is now a Support Passive
Can only be slotted in Support role.
Reduced shield effect.
Shield effect now takes into account resistances.
Increases Knock and Hold resistance.

Forms

Fixed an issue where some forms were not triggering.

Frail Armor

Fixed an issue where this effect was not applying properly.

Redirected Force

Fixed an issue with how the bonus damage was applying.

New Power: Singularity Bomb

Tier 2 Force
15 Second Cooldown
Deals Crushing damage and knocks targets towards your primary target.
Chance to apply power shield based on charge time.
Adv (2): Instead of knocking, on full charge this power now Paralyzes the primary target and stuns secondary targets.

New Power: Shield Restoration

Tier 1 Force
Applies a small shield to targets within the rune.
If the target is affected by a Direct Shield, restores the shield instead.

FC.31.20220721.7

Powers

Fixed an issue where some NPC's inherited the changes to Force Detonation.

Inertial Dampening Field

Directly shielding allies now improves the effectiveness of your shields and the damage absorption on this power for a short time.

Shielding Rune

Adjusted the shield restoral scaling effect to scale off of your Endurance.
Adjusted scaling of the shield effect.

Force Blast

Fixed an issue where Demolish would not reapply.

Singularity Bomb

Adjusted sound.

Become Devices

Fixed an issue where the Disable effect would disable these devices.

Psionic Echoes Device

Fixed an issue where these would expire after their target was defeated.

FC.31.20220721.9

Powers
New Power: Tornado

Wind Ultimate
Deals Crushing and Cold damage to nearby targets.
Deals Crushing damage to far away targets.
Pulls in far away targets.
Chance to repel, knock back or knock up near targets.
Grants flight.
Grants immunity to Control effects while maintained.

Strafing Run

Corrected cost.
Adjusted damage per hit. Overall damage remains the same.

Shadow Strike

Fixed a bug where this power wasn't triggering Ultimate based effects.

Lead Tempest

Fixed a bug where the damage chance of this power was not varying based on range.

Showdown/Power Chord

Now applies knock resistance and CC immunity while maintaining.

Fury of the Dragon

Corrected power cost.

Force Cascade

Tooltip fixes.

Inertial Dampening Field

Tooltip fixes.

Support Passives

Lingering effects now expire when the passive is swapped out.

Devices
Roinesh Artifact

Now has unique values independent from Planar Fracture.

Invocation of the Eclipse

Now considered ranged damage.
Reduced overall damage.
Reduced activation to time 1.67 sec (from 2).

Totemic Helm

Fixed a bug where this power didn't always apply properly.

Tame Warbeast/Horn of Allegiance/Slaver Remote

Now a toggle device to match other summon devices.

FC.31.20220721.10

Powers
Support Auras

Fixed a bug where some untargetable pets were taking up spots for support auras.
Fixed a bug where some pets weren't being affected by support auras.
Reduced activation period for support auras.

Specs

Fixed a bug where various summoned entities were being extended by Enhanced Mending.

Devices
Pirated override Codes

Now a toggle ability to match other device summons.
Added device to Fixer vendor to correct versions with a fixed lower level.

spookyspectre · July 2022

Wow and folks were wondering when the next powerset review would be! Even the Specialization tress are being fixed! Double wow!!

wrathsoul1 · July 2022

Crashing Incantation
Increased range to 25ft (from 20).

You meant radius, right? Unless it's range is nerfed to 25ft?

spookyspectre · July 2022

wrathsoul1 wrote: »

Crashing Incantation
Increased range to 25ft (from 20).

You meant radius, right? Unless it's range is nerfed to 25ft?

I'm sure it's radius

vonqball · July 2022

Thassalotta changes at once!

miorum · July 2022

Out of the grand total of two Ranged (50ft+) powers in that set which do Slashing damage (Ricochet Throw at 100ft and Throwing Blades at 50ft) ... you took the former and gave it a Shredded application advantage, effectively 'balancing' the damage it could potentially do ... while boosting the only other Slashing damage 50ft+ power, which is an AoE.

I'm not sure I understand why that particular choice was made.

Edit: there's also Boomerang Toss (50ft) and Shuriken Throw (100ft), one of them an Energy Builder. There's a grand total of 4 Ranged powers benefiting from Shredded, one of the arguably strongest now 'balanced' to apply said debuff in the first place.

Those who know me well enough know I've been asking for a Ranged Shredded applicator for a while (I play a niche build), but this feels like the monkey's paw has curled a finger.

Suggestion:

Either:
A ) Create an additional ranged power to cast Shredded -- there is no Boomerang 'combo';
B ) Lower the cost of Ricochet Throw's Microelectric Controllers to 1; or
C ) Have Shredded on Ricochet Throw be innate on a full cast.

theravenforce · July 2022

BUG: Focus stacking issue.
Where it happens: PTS - Form of the Tempest/Tiger
What happens: Form of the Tempest no longer grants Focus stacks.

(ty Steel Ghost / Hound)

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BUG: Redirected Force
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: The shield that Redirected Force grants the caster and allies within its radius appears to be fluctuating wildly for the entire duration.

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BUG: Noxious Poison interaction (from Corrosive Pit).
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: The timer for Noxious Poison seems to continue ticking down while tapping Infernal Blast (using the Virulent Propagation advantage), even though the timer that is seen on the target indicates that it has been refreshed.

(ty Pernicious / Axis)

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BUG: Redirected Force
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: The damage buff that Redirected Force applies stacks to 10 on every user of Redirected Force present in the vicinity, allowing each user to gain in excess of 10 stacks. i.e. 2 users casting at the same time, gain 20 stacks each and the damage buff applies.

I think the duration of this buff should be extended greatly and make it a buff that sticks around for up to 40 seconds unless it is consumed by dealing damage. At higher level game encounters, sometimes blocking is a sustained feature that may be required in excess of 7 seconds, so this buff duration / linger should be adjusted to compensate.

deadman20 · July 2022

I like a majority of the Force changes. Being able to gain shielding via more attacks is something the set will benefit from as a whole. In addition we get a new mechanic to lean on in Power Shield. Less about seeing how quickly we can ping pong the enemy before they become immune to our shenanigans. I am interested in what sort of passive IDF will be turned into in due time, though I will miss it as a form.

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However... Personal Force Field, with nothing about it changing, still has fundamental issues that need to be addressed. As it stands, PFF will still struggle during sustained engagements, especially during Cosmics where incoming damage is significantly higher than its shielding can manage or when those mechanics outright ignore shielding effects as with Kigatilik's passive storm... The shielding from PFF is quick to fizzle out and hard to recover when required to block during cosmic mechanics, which is rather odd since blocking is supposed to increase the shield regen and make PFF tougher.

I'm not entirely sure what to do with PFF, but its best use-case is to use it as a buffer at the beginning of an engagement, and then either forget about it or struggle to feed it beyond those first few seconds being a half-extension to the HP bar.

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Ice Objects appear to be functioning normally... including CC-immune targets instantly destroying Ice Cages that try to control them.

theravenforce · July 2022

BUG: Force Cascade
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: The description for Force Cascade mentions a relic effect called "Exhaustion" which is a lockout for Force Cascade after charging. Please can the description be updated to remove this reference.

BUG (?): Power Shield effects
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: The Power Shield effect does not seem to refresh duration when conditions are fulfilled. Is this intended?

lunnylunny · July 2022

Electric Sheath mentions being an Energy Form.

theravenforce · July 2022

BUG (?): Force Eruption's Field Expulsion advantage
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: This effect seems to consume and then further disperse Nimbus of Force device, is this intended?

theravenforce · July 2022

Suggestion: Force Eruption's Field Expulsion advantage
Your suggestion: Is there a way to make this actively check for nearby allies? I'm wondering if its possible that this advantage doesn't activate on full charge if you are just knocking back enemies? OR if this could be made to only apply shields on tap, instead of full charge?

jer · July 2022

Is there a reason why Weather Shaping makes hurricane do less damage than when I use either chilled form or concentration?

deadman20 · July 2022

jer#1883 wrote: »

Is there a reason why Weather Shaping makes hurricane do less damage than when I use either chilled form or concentration?

Is it Hurricane in particular or are all powers similarly less potent? The former is more likely a bug, while the latter is more than likely due to the form's choice of scalar stat.

Remember that Endurance offers no innate bonus to damage, where a Dex-scaled Chilled Form or Ego-scaled Concentration also have their stats respective innate bonuses. Crit from Dex, Ranged Damage from Ego.

theravenforce · July 2022

Suggestion: Force Control
Your suggestion: Buff stacks of this toggle form to be renamed to KINETIC ENERGY

Suggestion: Vital Shielding
Your suggestion: Buff stacks of this toggle form to be renamed to SURGING SHIELDS

Suggestion: Power Barrier
Your suggestion: EU to be renamed to ENERGIZED SHIELDING or ENERGIZED BARRIER

Suggestion: Power Shield
Your suggestion: Effect to be renamed to Combat Forcefield

shadowolf505 · July 2022

theravenforce wrote: »

BUG: Focus stacking issue.
Where it happens: PTS - Form of the Tempest/Master/Swordsman/Tiger
What happens: Form of the Tempest no longer grants Focus stacks.

(ty Steel Ghost / Hound)

Swordsman works and grants stacks for me, as linked here.

Master also works and grants stacks for me, as linked here.

Tempest doesn't grant stacks, nor Tiger however.

theravenforce · July 2022

shadowolf505 wrote: »

theravenforce wrote: »

BUG: Focus stacking issue.
Where it happens: PTS - Form of the Tempest/Master/Swordsman/Tiger
What happens: Form of the Tempest no longer grants Focus stacks.

(ty Steel Ghost / Hound)

Swordsman works and grants stacks for me, as linked here.

Master also works and grants stacks for me, as linked here.

Tempest doesn't grant stacks, nor Tiger however.

ty! Edited for clarity now!

theravenforce · July 2022

ENERGY FORMS

ENERGY PROJECTOR

BUG: Stormbringer/Ice Form/Fiery Form/Electric Form/Hearth/Immolation/Electric Sheath/Kinetic Manipulation/Ice Sheath
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Description mentions across all ranks that these powers count as an ENERGY FORM. For the passives, this is also apparent when slotting/unslotting as they still cancel themselves with the Energy Form Cancel effect. This is present in hovering tooltips as well as expanded tooltips within power trees for all listed powers.

BRICK

BUG: Earth Form
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Description mentions across all ranks that it counts as an ENERGY FORM. For the passives, this is also apparent when slotting/unslotting as they still cancel themselves with the Energy Form Cancel effect. This is present in hovering tooltips as well as expanded tooltips within power trees for all listed powers

MENTALIST

BUG: Ego Form/Congress of Selves/Ego Surge
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Description mentions across all ranks that it counts as an ENERGY FORM. For the passives, this is also apparent when slotting/unslotting as they still cancel themselves with the Energy Form Cancel effect. This is present in hovering tooltips as well as expanded tooltips within power trees for all listed powers

MYSTIC

BUG: Seraphim/Shadow Form/Shadow Shroud/Circle of Arcane Power/Ascension
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Description mentions across all ranks that it counts as an ENERGY FORM. For the passives, this is also apparent when slotting/unslotting as they still cancel themselves with the Energy Form Cancel effect. This is present in hovering tooltips as well as expanded tooltips within power trees for all listed powers

redcastle56 · July 2022

Wow Lots of changes.

Can we get a list of what powers are considered "Runes" for purposes of Enhanced Mending.

Suggestion
Change powers that can apply stealth "briefly" to just apply stealth as if using sneak. (maybe as an adv) So that Shadow Strike can be used more generally instead of only with Night Warrior.

theravenforce · July 2022

Out of everything listed here so far...I have been THE MOST excited to test and use Redirected Force.

The visuals do NOT disappoint. It is a BEAUTIFUL power and is something I've wanted since I pitched this power to the last powers dev for CO.

It is great to see it finally has the visuals I had been imagining...AND that it has a very appropriate in set scaling block check advantage which I fully intend to use.

However I do have a SUGGESTION...

Suggestion: Redirected Force
Your suggestion: With the highly DISTRESSING knowledge that I can be knocked whilst maintaining this power, I am STRONGLY recommending that the innate knock resistance for the CASTER is changed to KNOCK IMMUNITY. Reason for this is that, this is no ordinary ultimate which just takes up an Ult slot. It takes up:

- Ultimate Slot
- Active Offensive lockout
- Active Defensive lockout

That is a hell of a lot to NOT to have ultimate protection from everything for 10 seconds.

I don't mind a bit of repel, but being knocked into the air whilst maintaining that power and seeing it go on its lengthy cooldown early is no fun.

(Alternatively apply some weird DevMagicTM to it, so it maintains the effect even if you are knocked. PUH-LEASE!!!)

negusonic · July 2022

I'll only speak of the way these changes will affect my (non-traditional) build and the build state of the game at large in this post.

1) With all of these alternative cooldown methods and lowered general cooldowns it really is making INTELLIGENCE a less desireable stat. Now seemingly moreso than even ENDURANCE.

2) For players that enjoy being Force Multiplyers like myself (Debuff/Buffs) the Overseer and Arbiter Aura were great ways to add support that are now gone and I dont see the tie to those builds being Rune users in gameplay.

3) Also creating Debuffs that only work on the single, casting player is another way to greatly reduce Debuffing builds efficiency to the team.

4) Also Creating more Breakfree producing powers and DoT wiping powers is a direct imbalance to the low performance of Hold/DoT builds like Telepathy and there's still NO mechanism to dispell Hold Resistance Stacks. Basically making all Crowd Control powers easier to get out of and less useful to cast.

5) Without testing I dont know it to be true but the debuffs like Wither seem like they should be applying to more targets but with duration tied to rank I fear this is yet another Crowd Control nerf.

TL:DR
I have been consistently against Champions Online's continued Nerfing and Eradication of Debuff/Crowd Control in every new Patch released and it continues to go completely ignored or even cheered on by the devs who seem to generally hate the mechanic and those who desire to enjoy the gameplay mechanic as a whole. You already dont get Combat Credit (Open Mission Scoring) for them. It seems now casting Crowd Control (Holds AND Confuses) powers will be entirely visual only with no actual positive gameplay effect.

qawsada · July 2022

Both of the adv for Concussion Grenade seem to work just fine. Wall of Ice with that other walking adv works together. Call to Battle fast CD adv works with all the Brick powertree. The FX adjustment was needed on the shadow ultimate. Here is the image base on rank.

I do not know if you work on Ice Cage (the effect, not the power) but the cage persist after being use on an immune target (the dummy) in the PTS. Usually the Ice Cage disappear in the Live game. I am curious if you did something about Ice Cage.

leuchadegoutiere · July 2022

Suggestion
Maybe give back FC some of its flavor : high cost but high damage ? Now, it's the same as Typhoon

theravenforce · July 2022

redcastle56 wrote: »

Wow Lots of changes.

Can we get a list of what powers are considered "Runes" for purposes of Enhanced Mending.

Suggestion
Change powers that can apply stealth "briefly" to just apply stealth as if using sneak. (maybe as an adv) So that Shadow Strike can be used more generally instead of only with Night Warrior.

- Bad Sector
- Healing Runes (anything that applies a heal rune)
- Energy Runes (anything that applies a + Energy Over Time / Siphon Energy Over Time (to enemies)

These should all count.

spookyspectre · July 2022

negusonic#7245 wrote: »

I'll only speak of the way these changes will affect my (non-traditional) build and the build state of the game at large in this post.

1) With all of these alternative cooldown methods and lowered general cooldowns it really is making INTELLIGENCE a less desireable stat. Now seemingly moreso than even ENDURANCE.

Imho, people are taking INT for defense penetration, form stacking and/or energy maintenance far more than they are for cooldown reduction. Many folks are going to see the cooldown reductions as a buff and not a nerf.

2) For players that enjoy being Force Multiplyers like myself (Debuff/Buffs) the Overseer and Arbiter Aura were great ways to add support that are now gone and I dont see the tie to those builds being Rune users in gameplay.

Unfortunately, the Overseer and Arbiter Auras were not a great way to add support, except, maybe, at low levels. The +damage numbers in the Specialization descriptions are heavily impacted by DR and the actual damage increases were miniscule at higher levels with optimized builds and gear.

3) Also creating Debuffs that only work on the single, casting player is another way to greatly reduce Debuffing builds efficiency to the team.

It would be an odd Debuff build that applies Armor Piercing/No Quarter/Burn Through in support of others. You'd probably be more effective applying Stagger for overall team debuff support. This change is likely to address multiple Crushing damage debuffs being applied in team content, like Cosmics.

4) Also Creating more Breakfree producing powers and DoT wiping powers is a direct imbalance to the low performance of Hold/DoT builds like Telepathy and there's still NO mechanism to dispell Hold Resistance Stacks. Basically making all Crowd Control powers easier to get out of and less useful to cast.

These changes are by and large going to effect PVE. Unless you're talking about PVP, these changes won't negatively impact CCers. If anything, they're going to add options for Support builds.

5) Without testing I dont know it to be true but the debuffs like Wither seem like they should be applying to more targets but with duration tied to rank I fear this is yet another Crowd Control nerf.

The change to Wither is not a nerf and absolutely a buff. It wasn't applying at all to CC immune targets. It would apply to trash mobs and still will. The duration scaling with the rank of the target should mean it still lasts as long on trash mobs as before but now will also apply to high level CC immune targets (ex. Kiga, Ape, Dino and many more).

TL:DR
I have been consistently against Champions Online's continued Nerfing and Eradication of Debuff/Crowd Control in every new Patch released and it continues to go completely ignored or even cheered on by the devs who seem to generally hate the mechanic and those who desire to enjoy the gameplay mechanic as a whole. You already dont get Combat Credit (Open Mission Scoring) for them. It seems now casting Crowd Control (Holds AND Confuses) powers will be entirely visual only with no actual positive gameplay effect.

This statement doesn't apply to any of the changes in this patch unless someone is actually using the Containment Blast advantage on Force Cascade, and with replacing the inherent Stun from Gravity Driver with a 2 point advantage. Debuffers and CCers gained more than they lost in this patch.

theravenforce · July 2022

Bug: Redirected Force
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Redirected Force's shield is vulnerable to energy drains from shield cancelling effects like Energy Storm and Corrosive Energy.

Suggestion: Shield Drain/Corrosive Energy immunity
Your suggestion: Make Redirected Force, Field Surge & Personal Force Field immune to shield cancelling effects like Energy Storm and Corrosive Energy.

shadowolf505 · July 2022

theravenforce wrote: »

shadowolf505 wrote: »

theravenforce wrote: »

BUG: Focus stacking issue.
Where it happens: PTS - Form of the Tempest/Master/Swordsman/Tiger
What happens: Form of the Tempest no longer grants Focus stacks.

(ty Steel Ghost / Hound)

Swordsman works and grants stacks for me, as linked here.

Master also works and grants stacks for me, as linked here.

Tempest doesn't grant stacks, nor Tiger however.

ty! Edited for clarity now!

yk i gotchu

avianos · July 2022

We got all the power updates and changes we didn't got the whole year in a single day 😵‍💫
Overwhelming Emotions!
Kinetic Manipulation not getting consumed by Force Cascade feels like a dream coming true! Great Ranged Toggles and EU for Force too!
Redirected Force turned into an Ultimate and getting GOD TIER Visual barrier is amazing!

Force Detonation

Corrected power cost.
Now deals increased damage against knock immune targets.

Suggestion: Give Force Detonation a Knock INTO Center ADV! This power NEEDS IT
It's a cool power yes, but its a very dangerous and OBNOXIOUS power in team content because of the obnoxious knock spam!
It needs more Utility adv to make up for its CD too
Suggestion: Give Force Detonation a Healing Rune ADV
Suggestion: Give Force Detonation a Demolish Debuff ADV (only primary target)

Force Cascade

Reduced the damage on this power.
New Advantage (2): Turns this power into a single target ability. Boosts damage.
New Advantage (2): If you are affected by a direct Shield effect, when fully charged consumes the shield, increases the radius of this power and deals additional damage to secondary targets. If your target is affected by a shield effect, deals additional damage around them.
Removed Containment Blast advantage.

Icicle Spear

Removed bonus damage with Chill stacks.
Increased base damage of power.
New Adv (2): Increases base damage based on number of your Chill stacks on a target.

Defile

New Adv (2): Increases base damage based on the number of poison stacks on a target.

With this and including EBON RUIN's bonus damage advantage, I'm NOT a fan of Sacrificing rank 3 Visuals to Heavy Alpha Strike attacks

Suggestion: Have Force Cascade's, Icicle Spear's, Defile's and Ebon Ruin's Damage Boost ADV also increase the powers' visual to the Rank 3 ones

There is one thing getting us to Min-Max with those ADV, but please don't punish us with having us being stuck on RANK 2 Visuals!

Force Blast
New Adv (2): Applies Demolish on full charge.
New Adv (2): Fully charging this power applies a shield effect on you. Scales with your protection Field rank.

Great victory with the Demolish ADV alone! Force Blast is finally useful

Suggestion: Give Force Blast an ADV that turns it into an AOE blast
My reasoning behind this: Force Blast looks great with Hand Cannons costume pieces and it makes perfect for Blasters as an AOE alternative!

Lance Rain
Reduced cooldown to 10 seconds (from 20)

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I LOVE THIS! Lance Rain is one of my fav powers and this buff makes it even better consider it already required you to build Ego Leech stacks for it to be viable! ✌️

Shame I can't say the same for Gravitic Ripple and Nuclear Shockwave...
And Nuclear Shockwave got it damaged Nerfed, whats the point of this power again? Surely you need to give it more synergies with it's respective Powerframe, Brick!
As it stands right now it's more useful for RANGE DPS than a Melee Brick character

Gravity well getting completely removed makes me sad because I was hoping it could be re-balanced to be a part of Force's mechanics

Night Warrior

No longer ignores defenses.
Increased damage bonus.
Increased Avoidance Rating.

As Long as NW's all damage bonus for both Range and Melee are not getting removed, I'm ok with this change!
My Elemental Mage (Fire, Ice, Crushing, Electric) and Warlock (Fire, Darkness, Magic) need it since there are not passive ingames that boost all those damage combos on the same time

Thought NOT A fan of the new Night Warrior's Icon

Desperate Shot

New Adv (2): Applies Frail Armor to targets.
Updated tooltips.

BUG: The Frail Armor does nothing, same with Hold Out Shot!
Interesting that your provided a 100% Piercing Debuff now! I guess you do want us to stack it with Armor Piercing to make Archery's DPS optimized better?
Suggestion: Give Desperate Shot an Open Wound ADV

Wall of Ice
Increased duration to 16 seconds (from 6).
Increased overall damage.
Reduced chance to apply Chilled to 15% (from 50) due to duration increase. Chance now increases with rank.
New Adv (2): Instead of applying Chilled, this power can now apply Bleed.

Ok that's random but it does make sense, Sharp Icicles tear apart the enemy :V

Moonstruck

Frenzy Adv: Removed cooldown effect. Now adds shield effect to the caster while standing in Moonlight if you have used the Howl power.

NEAT! More Shielding Runes! I love this! Give more option for other melee powerframe in the future too please~

BUG: Right now Midnight Frenzy doesn't even require Howl to give you the Shield ADV
EDIT: After relogging with the character now it works properly! Removing complety Howl from my powers seemed to keep the effect persisting

Force Eruption

Gravitational Polarity Adv: Now applies a Power Field Rune in place of its old effect, which restores energy over time.
New Adv (3): if you are affected by a direct Shield effect, removes it and shields nearby allies.

RIP Wind Rune visuals...
Suggestion: Please REUSE the old original visuals of the Gravitational Polarity into a different power! It's extremely fitting for Wind and Elementalist builds in general

miorum · July 2022

Suggestion - Ricochet Throw:
Make Shredded innate to the power on a full cast.

There are several Tier 0 powers (which Ricochet Throw will be moved to) which cast Shredded innately on completion.

avianos · July 2022

Mod vendor is back on PTS powerhouses But we still can't access OSV tokens!

So far Force Revamp is being shaped nicely, but FORCE NEEDS MORE FLAVOUR AND POWERS
we got in a single day power updates we haven't got in an ENTIRE YEAR

PFF being ignored on this Update Entry is worrying
BUG: Force Control power tray uses Electricity Power Source's description, stating Negative Ions, Arcs and Circuits being part of the toggle's mechanics while they are not

Gravitic Ripple

Corrected fx for area effect.
No longer applies gravity well.
This power now repels away targets.
Changed activation period ot 0.5 seconds (from 1).
Reduced cooldown to 10 seconds (from 30).
New Adv (2): Repels targets towards you instead of away.

BUG: Gravity Ripple's CD is not 10 but 20 Seconds
This power now that I lost its Gravity Well effect is NOT useful at all! The AOE damage is not justified for the it's OSV Token Price

All player repel effects now grant repel resistance. Against npcs this effect is minor, where against players this effect grants a greater resistance boost.

This mechanic update basically fixes the issue I had with Hyper Voice on a Sonic DPS!
Hyper Voice's pull was such a huge magnitude it kept putting the targets out of its 50feet range!

Which btw, after so many years Hyper Voice is still using Place Holder Icon!

Meteor Blaze

Increased range of initial hit to 25ft (from 20).
Increased Pyre Patch damage.

Once again, Obligatory Suggestion: Please make Meteor Blaze's Pyre patch NOT GET EATEN by your other Firepatch! Just make it count as a Earth Fissure!

Energy Form

This effect has been retired. If you find any mentions of it, please report it.

Force Cascade + Circle of Arcane Power can now exist together, LOVE WINS!

I adore the new FORMS!

Force Geyser

New Adv (2): Applies Power Shield to nearby targets.

Force Geyser has a Demolish Refresh adv now too

theravenforce · July 2022

Bug: Night Warrior Slotted Passive
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Rank 2 Night Warrior has a bigger damage bonus than Rank 3 Night Warrior as shown below. Please flip them.

shadowolf505 · July 2022

Bug: Icicle Spear
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Icicle Spear is granting a chance to apply Clinging Flames to target without having the Freezer Burn advantage being taken.

hallsofwalls · July 2022

Bug
Gravitic Ripple
The repel from Gravitic Ripple does not add stacks when used with the Weather Shaping form, nor does it trigger the Wind Reverberation energy unlock.

theravenforce · July 2022

I was really hopeful with Icicle Spear but I'm not even sure what to make of it with the changes.

Bug: Icicle Spear
Where it happens: PTS (all ranks)
What happens: Icicle Spear is innately applying AND refreshing Clinging Flames. This is WITHOUT Freezer Burn advantage. Please fix.

Bug: Icicle Spear's Bitter Cold
Where it happens: PTS
What happens: Hover over text shows that it is "Chance to apply Clinging Flames". Please fix.

I think the "bonus damage" is either not doing what it is supposed to do, or is ignoring refreshed stacks of Chill, or something it just feels terribly underwhelming.

For reference with a build with 121% crit sev & Avenger tree (ew):

Icicle Spear: Rank 2 & Bitter Cold advantage yields:

[Combat (Self)] Your Icicle Spear deals 14794 (15534) Cold Damage to Regenerating Test Dummy.

Icicle Spear: Rank 3 yields:

[Combat (Self)] Your Icicle Spear deals 15705 (16490) Cold Damage to Regenerating Test Dummy.

Suggestion: Icicle Spear
Your suggestion: Please first check if Bitter Cold advantage is working. As I am not convinced it is. If it IS working, it should become a 1 point advantage. At present it doesn't appear to be doing much for apparently being a 30% base damage increase when conditions are fulfilled.

hexcaster · July 2022

This is a great update however there are some parts that are very confusing.

Force Eruption's new advantage that can spread your shield to allies is such a short range. You need to be practically right beside them to do it and most of the content in this game just is not geared toward standing next to people for any significant length of time.

Suggestions

My suggestion would be to give the shield-spreading range of Force Eruption's Field Expulsion advantage the same range as Redirected Force (40ft sphere).

On top of this Gravitic Ripple should be a ranged AoE and not a PBAoE. It really makes no sense to have PBAoE powers in the force set as almost everything else about it is completely ranged and geared toward knocks. Except in the case of Force Eruption that is clearly supposed to be a power to give you breathing space from melee mobs.

Force Detonation should have an advantage that knocks all targets toward its centre. Gravitic Ripple being changed to a ranged AoE that gathers mobs together would make considerably more sense too. There's real room in this game for powers that gather widely spread mob groups. THIS IS THE SET FOR IT.

Redirected Force's new animation is top notch, change nothing on that.

Also is it just me or does it just make sense in synergy that Force Detonation should pop the shield on Containment Field for significantly extra damage?

theravenforce · July 2022

Night Warrior

Suggestion: Night Warrior VFX
Your suggestion: Please add the OLD Night Warrior stealth VFX as an aura that NW users can pick up if they preferred the old VFX.

guardiannexus · July 2022

My two cents/feedback on the changes to force in particular

Over all I think that the changes make them more inline with being Ms Fantastic support without the option of thematically using it for other purposes outside of harassment of the enemy. I don't agree with that and will elaborate below.

powers feedback

Force Cascade
Force Cascade's new iteration seems more like a utility attack than an actual damage attack. With the secondary explosions, it just draws aggro from a group but won't kill full at full charge and the setups for it lower the dps output by the time to cash out the buffs.

The power shield effect does not last long enough to fully charge force cascade to cash out the to the secondary explosions of the buff/debuff. I am finding that I will fully use the crushing wave for the buff then by the time I charge it I am a second to late to cash it out.

Suggestion
-Increase the damage by approx .5%

-Increase the duration of the Power Shield effect.

-And an advantage that removes knockback but turns force cascade a sustained DOT beam ( Pillar of Poz size ) that repels and stuns anyone affected by the Power shield affect at the full duration of the attack. The stun effect is not effective on Cosmic or Supervillain level so just more damage on those types.

Gravity Driver
Gravity Driver is not an ultimate now. Its a wide range debuff with a bit of damage that takes 4 points on to make it viable. With out the stun component it is hard to get any attack off fast enough to cash out the debuff before it goes away or you are attacked by the group you hit ou are hit by something. Also at rank 1 I can't see a visual sfx to see it when it charges. I am fine with the lower damage. However not fine with the stun component not being on by default.

Suggestion
-Add the 2nd new advance of Force cascade onto Gravity driver. However,this one removes the stun function but adds the inversion advantage as an alternative path of the attack. That way you can add power shield effect with crushing wave then cash out with the attack with explosions. This makes the power visually seems like an ultimate and stops attacks.

Speaking of that advantage, I don't understand what a direct shield is in the context of shielding.

New Effect: Power Shield feedback:
The SFX on the energy bar makes it hard to see how much damage you are doing to an enemy. Especially if they already have a shield on themselves (like DEMON enemies)

We have bubbles shields from force (and ego but I have not tested those interactions) and their interactions seem to work from my testing but

Possible bug

anything using bastion as a base for making a shield is not considered a shield so the the new advantages ( Force Cascade New Advantage (2)) will not proc with them. (the ones from the Might powerset, Onslaught secondary offensive Gear)
Bug
Where it happens
What happens
when using Might powers or Onslaught gloves of the Defender

Suggestion
-clearly state what is a "direct shield" type with examples.

- Fix the interaction with the new advantage so it works with Bastion.

Possible Bug:

Denial of Service device has the same damage as the Live's Force Cascade when used with the new version of Force Cascade on Test.
Bug
Where it happens
What happens
Using the Denial of Service variant Device

Suggestion
-Lower damage to fall in line with new damage of Force Cascade

avianos · July 2022

Suggestion: Give Force Detonation a Knock INTO Center ADV! This power NEEDS IT
It's a cool power yes, but its a very dangerous and OBNOXIOUS power in team content because of the obnoxious knock spam!
It needs more Utility adv to make up for its CD too
Suggestion: Give Force Detonation a Healing Rune ADV
Suggestion: Give Force Detonation a Demolish Debuff ADV (only primary target)

To addition to this! I know Force Detonation is supposed to be used as a DPS power 100% but it's such an obnoxious one that could use some flavour on the ADV utilities
Suggestion: Give Force Detonation the Power Shield ADV as well
Suggestion: Give Force Detonation a Healing Rune ADV

And along other powers

Suggestion: Give Gravitic Ripple the Power Shield ADV as well

Suggestion: Give Force Snap the Power Shield ADV as well
Yeah Force Snap kinda got completely ignored on this update entry

Shadow Strike

This power has been removed from Night Warrior and is now an Ultimate power.
Reduced damage.
This power can now critically hit.
Increased activation time to 1 sec.
This power is considered to be a Claws power for mod purposes.

If you gonna sell Shadow Strike as a stand alone Ultimate you need to do something with the FORCED Stealth mechanic!
You can't possible expect an ultimate that can easily fail and do 2-digits damage acceptable for the game! 🤨

Not to mention, that just means you need 100% Night Warrior to make a Single Ultimate work! 🤨

What about Fighting Claws TANKS that want to use the power for theme?
How about Fighting Claws DPS which don't use Night Warrior and instead use Pestilence or Earth Form for example

Suggestion: Have Shadow Strike deal an acceptable amount of of damage outside Stealth BUT have that damage being DOUBLE during stealth! Just like unique interaction bonuses of Ricochet Throw and Throwing Knives work during stealth!

That way you solve the issue of the Ultimate failing but also make it additionally optimized if you do use Stealth powers

Armor Piercing/No Quarter/Burn Through

These debuffs are now considered personal debuffs. Only the person who applied the debuff can now benefit from their effects.

With this new universal balance buff rule, can we please have Debuff needed for Unarmed
Suggestion: Please create a Crushing+Dimensional DEBUFF for Unarmed

shapey · July 2022

As people have already pointed out; Focus from Form of the Tiger/Tempest are not triggering.

I adore all these tweaks! I'm glad that Force is getting a facelift, though... it is a bit peculiar that it didn't get any new damage powers and instead just got reworked to use what it already had. Still, the new forms and EUs give room to synergize with other builds, or outright create new ones with borrowed pieces. But it isn't all sunshine and rainbows here.

Suggestions:
Abandon the stealth requirements to use Shadow Strike or make it so you enter stealth as you activate it.
You moved this to Ultimate category, and there's absolutely nothing ultimate about suddenly being removed from Stealth and hitting like a wet noodle and going on CD. Not to mention this power you've now made completely available to all Freeforms is completely reliant on said Freeforms taking a specific passive... unless you figure everyone will use it from their Threat Wipe. (Assuming that works)

Put Frail Armor onto more powers
I hadn't thought about it until this was made that there is no straight piercing debuff, which makes me think about how the powerframes using piercing don't actually use crushing damage. At least, not regularly. So why keep all these powers only using Armor Piercing? Shotgun Blast, Gatling Gun, Straight Shot or Snap Shot, and Storm of Arrows I feel are all good candidates for it. (Snap Shot even has an advantage already named "Frail Armor")

Prolong or entirely remove the duration of the buff from Redirected Force
Using this power can't always be directly followed up with an attack, so it seems fair to increase the window in which you can use the buff, if not simply have no limitation and have it consumed on your next attack. It is a cooldown power, after all.

Bake Shredded into Riccochet Throw as a full charge effect (on primary target)
Unless you plan on adding new ranged Slashing damage powers, as stated prior by others, there's little point in putting Shredded on the target with the only power you'd be using that Slashing debuff for. You'd just take Rank 3 and get better results.

Also, Force Control's tooltip is saying it triggers from Repel, rather than Knock

I hope you get more time to touch up on Kinetic Manipulation and Person Force Field! With the scope of this update, it's understandable you haven't gotten the time for it so far, but what we got is wonderful! Glad that 2GM is buffed, OSV powers are more viable, Ice has a proper DoT (still wish it had more debuff applicators), Wither isn't bad anymore, Ults are more ult-y, buff powers got a fresh coat of paint, and Energy Form is no longer a thing!

guardiannexus · July 2022

Adding this here since I did further testing.

Bug
Power Shield buff does not renew/refresh stacks when using crushing wave or force geyser for the full duration with advntage.

Where it happens
Powerhouse 1 dummy testing

What happens
When using crushing wave to the full duration, the stack of Power Shield does not renew and only counts down for a 5 second duration.

theravenforce · July 2022

guardiannexus wrote: »

Possible Bug:

Denial of Service device has the same damage as the Live's Force Cascade when used with the new version of Force Cascade on Test.
Bug
Where it happens
What happens
Using the Denial of Service variant Device

Suggestion
-Lower damage to fall in line with new damage of Force Cascade

No idea why you are advocating for a nerf on a device that has no bearing on the base power. Denial of Service functions perfectly fine as is and already has drawbacks baked into the design. It does not need a nerf.

IF DoS does need to change, some of the restrictions built into the power would likely need to be removed to compensate for the loss of damage.

spordelia · July 2022

Wowza! 🙌
I’m glad to see Force finally getting a rework, and the concept of force-fields as bubbles/shielding within the set being explored more (#BarrierWarrior). Excited about Redirected Force (<3), and curious to see how PFF, Field Surge & etc… will turn out.

Anyhow. Everyone seems to be doing a great job providing feedback, but I’m looking forward to doing some testing of my own. Good stuff, guys!

jaazaniah1 · July 2022

Wondering if the Recharge adv on Force Snap should heal/boost PFF, PF, Force Shield (maybe also Mindful Reinforcement and Bionic Shileding). The whole point to Force seems to be to block incoming damage, so something that temporarily boosts such abilities seems more fitting as an advantage than a minor heal.

spordelia · July 2022

A couple of notes, after some quick testing:

1)- Redirected Force: LOVE it!

- VFX: It’s pretty great. But I’m thinking, it could use a more defined “bubble” aspect, and utilizing Force’s (Protection Field, Field Surge… Force Shield, most of all) signature energy look, according to power ranks, of course. The sound effects are *perfection*. Nice work!

- Definitely could use a Repel (innate or Adv.) effect for enemies caught within the bubble (you’re pushing/keeping stuff out with your force-field, so, it stands to reason).

2)- Force Eruption:
- Add Inner Peace advantage.

3)- Gravitic Ripple:
Not sure about the Repel change, and losing the “yoyo” combo from gravity well… yeah, IDK. 🤔

theravenforce · July 2022

spordelia wrote: »

A couple of notes, after some quick testing:

1)- Redirected Force: LOVE it!

- VFX: It’s pretty great. But I’m thinking, it could use a more defined “bubble” aspect, and utilizing Force’s (Protection Field, Field Surge… Force Shield, most of all) signature energy look, according to power ranks, of course. The sound effects are *perfection*. Nice work!

- Definitely could use a Repel (innate or Adv.) effect for enemies caught within the bubble (you’re pushing/keeping stuff out with your force-field, so, it stands to reason).

I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. I was actually writing a post suggestion here. Whilst I don't mind the current VFX...if it could be more like Force Wall, that would be quite nice!

So backing this suggestion:

Suggestion: Redirected Force VFX
Your suggestion: Please use Force Wall's VFX for the force field dome.
Force Wall VFX for reference:

ALSO

Suggestion: Redirected Force
Your suggestion: An initial cast of Redirected Force should knock back any knockable NPCs within the field's area. Additionally, any NPCs who breach the shield dome should be repelled (similar to the strength of Wind Barrier) for the duration.

spordelia · July 2022

theravenforce wrote: »

I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. I was actually writing a post suggestion here. Whilst I don't mind the current VFX...if it could be more like Force Wall, that would be quite nice!

So backing this suggestion:

Suggestion: Redirected Force VFX
Your suggestion: Please use Force Wall's VFX for the force field dome.
Force Wall VFX for reference:

PERFECT!
Exactly what I had in mind. It's clear enough, more visually cohesive... 100% fits the bill. (*Stunning* VFX, too!

)

theravenforce wrote: »

ALSO

Suggestion: Redirected Force
Your suggestion: An initial cast of Redirected Force should knock back any knockable NPCs within the field's area. Additionally, any NPCs who breach the shield dome should be repelled (similar to the strength of Wind Barrier) for the duration.

Also perfect!;)
/SIGNED

guyhumual · July 2022

So Shadow Strike is now an ultimate power, meaning you can only get it once it starts suffering serious diminishing returns. Also, without Shadow Strike, Night Warrior seem like a pretty crummy passive, it's one advantage was in PvE solo, but without the Shadow Strike it seems a lot less useful for that. Nether passive or ultimate are going to be particularly useful outside of PvE solo I'd imagine.

spookyspectre · July 2022

theravenforce wrote: »

I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. I was actually writing a post suggestion here. Whilst I don't mind the current VFX...if it could be more like Force Wall, that would be quite nice!

So backing this suggestion:

Suggestion: Redirected Force VFX
Your suggestion: Please use Force Wall's VFX for the force field dome.
Force Wall VFX for reference:

Redirected Force is a 40' sphere and the VFX on PTS look like they reflect the size of the AoE. Whatever VFX is used, I'd like it to continue to fit the size of the AoE.

On a side note, Canada's lighting super increases bloom effects and force fields can look very bright and opaque. I hope whatever VFX used for Redirected Force doesn't do the same. A huge wall of blinding light would not be good.

shadowolf505 · July 2022

guyhumual wrote: »

So Shadow Strike is now an ultimate power, meaning you can only get it once it starts suffering serious diminishing returns. Also, without Shadow Strike, Night Warrior seem like a pretty crummy passive, it's one advantage was in PvE solo, but without the Shadow Strike it seems a lot less useful for that. Nether passive or ultimate are going to be particularly useful outside of PvE solo I'd imagine.

Granted that you don't -need- Night Warrior for Shadow Strike, you just need stealth (can take a Threat Wipe to grant stealth) and it's going to still be useful to some people to be honest.

sergeantmahoff1 · July 2022

negusonic#7245 wrote: »

I'll only speak of the way these changes will affect my (non-traditional) build and the build state of the game at large in this post.

1) With all of these alternative cooldown methods and lowered general cooldowns it really is making INTELLIGENCE a less desireable stat. Now seemingly moreso than even ENDURANCE.

2) For players that enjoy being Force Multiplyers like myself (Debuff/Buffs) the Overseer and Arbiter Aura were great ways to add support that are now gone and I dont see the tie to those builds being Rune users in gameplay.

3) Also creating Debuffs that only work on the single, casting player is another way to greatly reduce Debuffing builds efficiency to the team.

4) Also Creating more Breakfree producing powers and DoT wiping powers is a direct imbalance to the low performance of Hold/DoT builds like Telepathy and there's still NO mechanism to dispell Hold Resistance Stacks. Basically making all Crowd Control powers easier to get out of and less useful to cast.

5) Without testing I dont know it to be true but the debuffs like Wither seem like they should be applying to more targets but with duration tied to rank I fear this is yet another Crowd Control nerf.

TL:DR
I have been consistently against Champions Online's continued Nerfing and Eradication of Debuff/Crowd Control in every new Patch released and it continues to go completely ignored or even cheered on by the devs who seem to generally hate the mechanic and those who desire to enjoy the gameplay mechanic as a whole. You already dont get Combat Credit (Open Mission Scoring) for them. It seems now casting Crowd Control (Holds AND Confuses) powers will be entirely visual only with no actual positive gameplay effect.

wat

1. lowered cooldowns mean int is even more effective at lowering cooldowns
2. those auras did literally nothing for damage
3. debuffs had dr, this is a buff to people that actually apply them and a nerf to people who didn't contribute with their own
4. wat
5. its literally stated that it works on more targets now

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