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cbob312
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Replace and expand the various stores (Nemesis, etc) with a much easier to understand (imho) reputation system from Star Trek Online.
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And playing by myself since Aug 2009
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What's X?
How do I get X?
How much X do I need?
Where do I spend X?
The Rep system put's it all in (mostly) one spot. I mean I did leave out an easy way to get X...
Currency.
Usually by defeating NPCs or completing missions.
Check the vendors, they're all in one location in RenCen and they list the prices for everything.
The vendors I just told you about.
So does CO. Rencen. Building opposite the powerhouse wheel, and for events a vendor to the left of the powerhouse wheel.
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Oh no, you have to walk ten feet for the event vendor. I mean come on, seriously, that's your gripe?
What other arbitrary location would you think is better? I mean, with rencen we have teleport devices that drop us right next to the vendors, you wanna make us walk even further than ten feet to get to all of them?
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What exactly do you want to see ported over from the STO rep system?
No, I think the current system handles transactions just fine. The only things about the current system that should probably go away (or at least be toned down significantly) are the perk requirements.
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I can pop into CO and run a few 5-15min missions and progress towards some SCR rewards too. Then if I want to play more, I can do a bunch of other things to progress even more.
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YMMV. If you're talking about QWZ it takes me at least 30 to get through everything. Cosmic runs are usually 20-45m+ for a fast run and hours for a slow one. This is the first time in about a year and a half I've actually had time to sit and do endgame, and observe the times. If it weren't for this one lucky break I'd never get endgame gear ever due to times. Not of course that endgame matters at all(nothing really matters in CO it's just that easy) but yeah for those wanting it I can see the time issues.
P.S: Before anyone comments, "Just make more time" or something in the similar vein, you can't exactly control RL so that's not always a possibility.
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I was actually talking about alert dailies.
Do you mean in an existential sense or are you just wondering why I'm here in this thread discussing your idea and criticizing it?
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Oh. Yeah then sure
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All I'm getting from him is 'it works for me'. That's not criticism or discussion, that's just fighting for the status quo.
In STO the dailies give marks for the reputation system. That eases you into the end game. I'm casual in both games and doing much better in sto.
A thing we haven't talked about is the traits you get from the rep system. While very similar to the specialization system in CO it's something else to do once you get to max level, letting us expand or refine our abilities.
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Meanwhile in CO, you just take your SCR (and/or GCR), walk up to the vendor, and buy the thing you want.
While I'll agree that STO does a far better job at easing players into endgame content, that's more a matter of STO having a better reward design and endgame flow, not the presence of its rep system.
I'd actually say STO's skill system is more in line with CO's Specializations--both of them are acquired via points each time you level up. They also both have annoying costs associated with resetting them. Rep traits are more of a bonus thing that gives you additional customization without the semi-permanent choices found in skills/specializations. (Since you can set your rep traits as you see fit without cost)
It depends on the requirement. Some are more reasonable than others. I actually wonder if anyone got moonstruck without entering into some sort of mutual farm pact or without repeated alt killing. As in, by playing the event how it was intended. Probably not many because the requirement was too high and the event was too poorly done.
If I'm required to kill Eido at least once in order to get his shiny costume pieces, that's perfectly understandable. But what is the requirement number actually at?
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The status quo isn't bad simply for being the status quo. Change for the sake of change is a bad idea. In this case, far as I can tell, your change makes the system worse and so by comparison I prefer the status quo.
Plenty of people just showed up when we were doing the pvp. We didn't really agree to anything, we just started attacking each other. Towards the end we started cooperating to make sure everyone got what they needed. Was that how the event was intended to be played? Well, they certainly put nothing in place to prevent us from playing it how it was played, and the event has been around for quite a while, so at this point the answer appears to be yes. In fact, I'm not sure of any other way that it could be played... people activated the devices and tried to kill each other. The event gives no real motivation to attempt to deny the other team perk progress, and I'd say that's a good thing. It's designed as an entirely positive experience.
50. Since the intent seems to be that those costume pieces are somewhat exclusive to those willing to go through the work of getting them, that number is reasonable. You may say that that is not reasonable to you, because you want to get the pieces without putting that much effort in, but that's not a matter of reasonableness. The intent is to exclude someone like you from getting it, and you just don't like that. That doesn't make the amount unreasonable, it simply makes it something you're not willing to do. Reasonableness becomes a question of "can somebody reasonably achieve that number?" and the answer is yes, given enough time and determination someone can achieve that number. It's just unfortunate that right now that determination needs to come from a new crew of Eido fighters since the people who have already rolled him into the dirt don't have anything to motivate them.
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They do, however, serve as an excellent example of perk gating done poorly. If the bolded part is true, then maybe the dev team needs to have another look at him. If he's That One Boss, then maybe it's time to tone him down a bit so people are more willing to include him in their cosmic killing sprees instead of skipping him in favor of the more farm-friendly ones.
Remember, this game is pretty small in terms of overall population. There probably won't ever be "a new crew of Eido fighters," so the ball's in the devs' court on this one. And no, adding more "you need to kill him X times to get Y unlocks or currency or whatever" isn't the answer. As long as the fight is an unpleasant shitshow, the endgame folks will farm him until they get theirs, then put him on ignore again.
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^ Basically this. The devs know there isn't ever going to be another group interested in Eido, so they're leaving him in his current state because they know that we were steamrolling the previous state, which would get boring quickly. In his current state he at least represents something to beat, a challenge. That's kind of what he was meant to be, so the fact that he was quickly becoming just another cosmic on farm status was an unintended result. He's meant to be lurking out there in the warzone, making us sweat whenever we think of fighting him.
Basically, the people who aren't part of that group are wasting their time trying to get it changed. You're not the audience, so move on. He'll never be as easy as you want. Oh, I'm sorry, I mean as "well designed" as you want
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We ARE part of the audience. We DESERVE to get a chance at the victories. We HAVE the right to ask the devs at least fix their mistakes. So YOU move on you smug little **** eater.
I doubt that. If he was intended to be something to beat, there'd be more of a lasting incentive to fight him and bugs would be corrected. I hate to break it to you, but the normal cycle of bosses in normal MMOs is "hard at first, easier as power creep and experience with the encounter takes over. Surely you've heard the term "progression" in relation to endgame in MMOs?
CO seems to have gone in the opposite direction for this particular encounter, which is unfortunate, because now it's just a thing in the game nobody bothers with. In short, it was a waste of developer time and resources, and will continue to be so until its bugs are corrected.
You can troll it however you want, but when nobody is doing a particular piece of content despite it being the most recent piece of endgame content, then there's something wrong. Contrary to whatever you believe, developers don't generally make content intended for the minority of the playerbase, especially when that content is meant as the feature of a quasi-expansion. This is especially true when their development resources are limited.
Fixing its bugs and getting it to a point where people are willing to regularly participate in it again should be a much higher priority than it seems to be.
But then you just catch-22'd yourself. If no one new's going to run it and if the audience who DID run it were the only ones really running it to begin with stopped, you see the fallacy here? Basically no one's going to do it. Which again, is wasted resources, first OV, now this. Disappointing.
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I'm surprised it's been broken for over a year. I'll check back in maybe another year and see if it's still broken. If it is, it's officially abandoned content.
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I mean, we did him a week ago. You wouldn't know that since you're not part of that crowd.
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And that is the challenge that has been laid out before us o3o/
I guess it's just unfortunate that everyone who could do that dps already has their 50 eido kills.
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With those points...see back on track!
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