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I have been enjoying champions for well over four years now. Lifetime member. Even with my group helped with player run events like DawnCon and entertainment with Dawn Radio. I have known many a player from all styles of gameplay. All this during this time period, a common mantra has been chanted. Not just the discouraged but the ones who also enjoy the game. So please take this into account when i make this plea/
WE WANT NEW CONTENT MISSIONS
Now some would say what about the q zone or the cosmics. Well that is all good, its not the common factor of those who I have talked to really want. So, again, I shall go into detail in my explanation....
1) A storyline/plot related to the game
2) NON cosmic related
3) NON alert related
4) NON PvP related
5) NON zone cap causing monster attack needing large team ups
6) NON needing the top of the line gear
7) more than just a room attck boss and then done, actually continues on to another part to get the full storyline
8) It doesnt have to be must be 40 to get it. Good for new players to cut their teeth on.
As we seen in several forum thread people are happy with the cosmics and such, but a lot miss the days when new adventure packs came add to the lore of the game. some even said if the cosmics and the OV were introduced in a way with a "more than a one page " mission to follow, it would have encouraged others who now fight the idea of doing them.
and there is so much open ended stuff to build on. One i pointed in another forum thread.
(spoiler alert)
We know Mechanon was the benefactor to the roi'nesh. We also know the Steel Crusade. You can combine the two to create a new AP where Mechanon breaks into the Canadian cell of the captured roi'nesh, injects him with the nanovirus and let him loose . The first scene would be reuse of the Whiteout's Canadian Stronghold since the roi'nesh is there. It could lead to the battle in space using vehicles (showing love to the those who are vehicle collectors).
Another possiblility is with Whisper in Vibora Bay , Her sanctum has hallwways leading to reportedly, the desert. canada and monster island. She could send in AP style players to any storyline that can be bult around it. One sugeested idea was related to the cosmics as in find out who aused these giant monsters to be powered up even more (cue OV connection). Tie two areas of the game nnad make a storyline that could get people who been resistant to them to participate. Leaadin to a battle with the good doctor Telios to try to get the capability to reverse it ( obviously not going to lower the cosmics but you get the idea)
There is so much possibilities with what exists now and if use the main source, the PnP books, could create more interesting things ( personal plea: bring C.L.O.W.N.)
So i subit this forum to the masses and those who read it and hope it is recieved if not well, least for a healthy, intelligent discussion.
Thank you for you time
Mad Vyking. Co leader and co founder of Paragon Dawn and Dawn Radio
WE WANT NEW CONTENT MISSIONS
Now some would say what about the q zone or the cosmics. Well that is all good, its not the common factor of those who I have talked to really want. So, again, I shall go into detail in my explanation....
1) A storyline/plot related to the game
2) NON cosmic related
3) NON alert related
4) NON PvP related
5) NON zone cap causing monster attack needing large team ups
6) NON needing the top of the line gear
7) more than just a room attck boss and then done, actually continues on to another part to get the full storyline
8) It doesnt have to be must be 40 to get it. Good for new players to cut their teeth on.
As we seen in several forum thread people are happy with the cosmics and such, but a lot miss the days when new adventure packs came add to the lore of the game. some even said if the cosmics and the OV were introduced in a way with a "more than a one page " mission to follow, it would have encouraged others who now fight the idea of doing them.
and there is so much open ended stuff to build on. One i pointed in another forum thread.
(spoiler alert)
We know Mechanon was the benefactor to the roi'nesh. We also know the Steel Crusade. You can combine the two to create a new AP where Mechanon breaks into the Canadian cell of the captured roi'nesh, injects him with the nanovirus and let him loose . The first scene would be reuse of the Whiteout's Canadian Stronghold since the roi'nesh is there. It could lead to the battle in space using vehicles (showing love to the those who are vehicle collectors).
Another possiblility is with Whisper in Vibora Bay , Her sanctum has hallwways leading to reportedly, the desert. canada and monster island. She could send in AP style players to any storyline that can be bult around it. One sugeested idea was related to the cosmics as in find out who aused these giant monsters to be powered up even more (cue OV connection). Tie two areas of the game nnad make a storyline that could get people who been resistant to them to participate. Leaadin to a battle with the good doctor Telios to try to get the capability to reverse it ( obviously not going to lower the cosmics but you get the idea)
There is so much possibilities with what exists now and if use the main source, the PnP books, could create more interesting things ( personal plea: bring C.L.O.W.N.)
So i subit this forum to the masses and those who read it and hope it is recieved if not well, least for a healthy, intelligent discussion.
Thank you for you time
Mad Vyking. Co leader and co founder of Paragon Dawn and Dawn Radio
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There are as MV stated many open ended bits, projects started and rolled aside, incomplete. So many potential areas to expand upon.
Maybe a return to Multifaria as the resistance finally figures out who their hero (Citizen Harmon) really is. Or possibly have some of the characters from there come looking for payback. Lapis might think it fair to come blow up the Superjet in MC (she probably never got that trip to Bermuda).
Also I would love to see some content that doesn't require being Cosmic powered. Maybe some new lower level content for veteran players to bring up new characters. Also some content that is soloable. Many heroes in books are individuals and have solo adventures that don't ALWAYS require finding a legion of heroes to complete.
Maybe some new nemesis content? Something like Nemcon but more super villain like (i.e.: Teamed up hero's nemesi (not sure on plural of nemesis) gather to destroy Millennium City making a Battle Royale with the city's Champions.
Also as MV pointed out there are pages of content you could draw from in the PnP resources.
Please quit making new currencies for each event, it seems a waste of programming power since there are already a lot of currencies that have no real value already, also if you're going to create a special currency that people have to do special things for, make it easier to dispense. (personally waiting for almost a year for a Dev token from a PTS event, and I know I'm not the only one) If they are too busy programming to reward it, why have it? (Not like it cost anything to give out digital curreny for digital items). Especially if you want us to keep giving up real money for those same digital items.
Finally, I understand there are limited resources but Superheroes are a thing right now. Why miss out on a market that wants to be tapped. Advertise this game more effectively (Burying it on the 3rd page of your games available is wasteful) It's probably your cheapest license to maintain with the greatest potential for some profit if you just gave it some love.
Sincerely Duke3Eye
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2. Costumes! Make a way to get costume pieces easier and earlier! The game is all about your character from the START! I should not be level 40 not having at least half of the pieces I want.
3. I really don't mind the lock boxes. I think they're a good idea, BUT the keys are the WORST idea I have ever seen! Make them drop just as often as the boxes do! Either that or get rid of them! What good are 500 boxes that you're going to have to spend either around 42500G or over $400 to open (unless you have the keys already)?
4. I'm not sure about other people, but I like to change my builds quite often and my Questionite supply doesn't appreciate when I have to remove mods. I myself would love to see that wiped off the face of CO. Use Questionite for the Q store.
5. Add items to the Q store that can no longer be obtained or have lost a way of being obtained (eg. Depleted Uranium Core I believe was found in an Alert which no longer exists). Make Questionite easier to get and in higher quantities and add WAY more items for people to buy: Gear, costumes, auras, mods, devices, vanity items, powers, etc.
6. 1-40 then grind. We all know the content, so for everyone who is still playing all we want to do is get to 40 and get our gear which is just a grindfest since the story is old and the content is reused. Add new people, extended the story.
7. Make the game less gear related, make it more character driven. I don't want to be collecting tens of thousands of something for new items next. CoX was a prime example for gear, you only had enhancements for your powers, but you didn't need any high end enhancements to be a great character. It was all about HOW you played your character.
Most normal players want new stuff
1. raising the level cap..I would just put it to 45 since that is the level of the mobs in the QWZ
2. There were talks earlier about making more missions in space but we know that was nixed in favor of Telios Ascendant and the QWZ. New space missions could have been a gold mine.
3. new zones..this I get there just aren't enough devs to make a whole new zone but no one says you cant copy and paste current zones and just add new landmarks.
4. the APs are a good thing. so many storylines are unresolved.like the OP said the whole Mechanon thing. He survived the Steel Crusade and probably still has some of his nano machines.
5. A personal thing I would love to see done is bring back the original Doctor Destroyer. We know he is still in Multifaria in control there. Bringing him back in a storyline where the heroes have to prevent MIllennium City from becoming another Detroit.
6. With all the mystical stuff, I am sure Cryptic can lay off Shadow Destroyer and bring in other mystic threats..I mean we already have three of the Crowns of Krim, and I know we have the powersets to bring in Force, Tremblor and Dark Seraph himself..Turn that into an adventure pack or new content.
7. As for the keys and lockboxes..I understand that keys keep the game afloat but it gets annoying when you have 200 boxes and no keys to open them..Make lair bosses drop them with a certain percentage
Many things can still be done to save this game if only cryptic wanted to
Another nice thing I'd like to see is related to the Nemesis system, which is already dying slowly as we all know. New Nemesis missions, customization (some Powersets aren't available yet, and we can't even change the weapon skin for Martial Arts !), henchmen, and why not an unlockable Nemesis solo arc, in which the previously defeated Nemesises band together to defeat their common enemy the same way the Sinister Six took on Spider-Man. Of course, the unlockable part is when we have defeated enough Nemesis to make this mission available, like, if we defeat five, the arc will pick three of them randomly for the sake of the story. Or even better : Supergroup Nemesis.
I agree I would like to see more 'normal' content, but I think that they could easily reuse zones like Millennium City, revamp missions one zone at a time for replayability and switch up what happens in the zones.
Or
Expand on UNITY 2 missions and add new villains or storylines from CU into it.
There is the Gateway Hub which is still largely unused, which hopefully will one day see some space faring development. I think the focus seems to be on revamping a lot of team based content to force team gameplay and endgame content as Level 40s for a long time have complained that there is nothing to do.
Now some who enjoy the recently added content and its difficulty are getting just that. This does appear to leave some out in the cold, so hopefully that'll be addressed when more resources are in place/available.
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Yes i have did all missiosns once i hit 40 by backtracking and combing over areas i missed. Needless to say was feeling silly for a 40 doing level 10 misions but it was fun seeing stuff I missed.
And added up some stuff that at first didnt make sense story wise. Only ones who have more perks points than me are ones who been on game with same toon since beginning.
I know others ware in same catagory just some vairances as in kill perks etc.
I mean yeah, I'd like it too. It's just not priority for me, even now that I've begun leveling new characters.
My dream would be for them to make it so you can start every zone at lvl 6, including MI and VB and even Lemuria, and then fill in all the missing level ranges with new missions. I know that'd get me excited about leveling new toons.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
add a "skull" difficulty level to the difficulty settings ( or even a skull ++ for extra difficulty for those that find it too easy ) so you can still do the missions you outgrew at whatever level and they level up appropriately with you
This is already being used automatically on nemesis missions ,action packs and mini story arcs like the mechanon and fatal error ,
It used to happen on the mission the where you take on zoe loft ,well did last time I played it ,
The missions would then drop levelled gear and rewards and have an interest for revisiting lower end content for everyone
unlock the help a citizen missions for level 40 , never understood why once you hit 40 they stop asking for help ,I'm pretty sure these level with you as well
hopefully this would take a small amount of dev resources to implement and revitalise some of the existing content
please update unity one and two rewards perhaps add a couple of gcr to the final special mission to make them relevant and desirable again , people seem to have forgotten/ or don't even know about them
(( btw this is not intended to be a discussion on the nature of gcr , just an incentive to do the level 40 missions , I know its a sensitive subject and people get distracted by it ))
2: costumes are a reason why a chunk of the playerbase even bothers with certain content.. remove costumes and you remove that motivation
3: oh gee.. it's almost as if they make people buy the keys to..oh idk MAKE MONEY TO KEEP THE GAME AFLOAT
4: now... this is the only suggestion in here which is actually worth while.. however doing it would have the side effect of having the value of questionite drop rather.. notable
5: that would be awesome, but there's also going to be other ways to get them.. content, collector store, scr/gcr vendor and so on... also, ima just point out you're wrong about the depleted urainium core, it drops from the harmon labs alert [which rotates in for 1 week every ~2months]
6: ok, so you got to level 40 and got all your gear handed to you on a sliver platter then what? and before you point out the "extend the story" part.. they tried that, the result is the q-zone which is "fun"
7: you do realize having the gear be as potent as it is atm actually affords more flexability to your build capabiltity? for a simple reason that if you could "have your cake and eat it" when it comes to builds, people would just graviate towards the most effective things (and don't say they wouldn't, it's already happened with specs), but by imposing these limitations via the gear system, it forces people to get creative with things, and that helps keep things (at least somewhat) diverse.
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Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
However this is right back to the point of the thread, the gear on a platter; now thrown into a nearly bottomless pit. People only stay playing because they are FORCED to in order to get that shiny gear, but when they get it (like you asked): Then what? The q-zone only made me realize I needed a new build and slotted secondaries to kill the stronger guys more effectively, but it just seemed like a jumbled together difficult area for grinding or testing builds, not an actual story extension. Whiteout for instance was a good story (at least I thought so). I personally don't care if they reuse areas, I'd just like to see more involved content where you can go solo or in a team/teams. Open missions shouldn't be are that's being added/revamped, especially when some have such a high failure rate and such a low drop rate (not to mention zone restrictions keeping the group numbers down).
I mean cosmic wise the only one who havnet gotten the cosmic touch yet is Grond. Save that for later and build on the lore to let people have fun.
RP'ers can have fun by role playing the plot.
MIssion grinders: nuff said
builds people: test out combos safely seeing damage
New people get to have fun without being harassed for not knowing (seen in some cosmic groups)
Vets go yes new thing to do (ok may go to wayside afterwatds but that also then helps altitis people)
The idea is not zen store or gear or lockboxes its time fro something new to do wheter solo or in team.
In short, Time to have fun on game for all whether love the cosmics or not, pvp or not, anything else or not. Just something new
Sometimes Basic stuff can help in the long run for game
There's still so much content which is half-finished and underused, though; I hope they can make the original lairs queueable, split off Supervillain Rampages (Gravitar/F&I) from UNITY/UNTIL crises (Lemurian Invasion, Sky Command), and maybe add some more Rampages (a level 40 version of Menton, Eclipse or Talisman would be fun).
I don't agree with the idea of raising the level cap; what we need to get is more understanding in the design of content for level 40s and how it should be signposted to the player.
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May I ask how we know this to be the case? Not suspect or infer. Is there an official source of verification somewhere?
1. Players like to stand around in RenCen in MC.
2. Devs have limited resources and want/need to reuse content.
So, what I'd love to see is a level 35-40 version of MC that provides a mix of mission types: some boss fights and some fights vs. teams of villains. It'd be nice to have content somewhere between Cosmics of endgame and mook grinding of leveling. As has been said on other threads, there are a variety of villains that are only used in a single mission. It would be nice to gather some of them together (level boosted) for small scale group content. Could also be away to get some more use out of Nemeses. Possibly the AI can't make a good 3 on 3 fight (for example) but maybe 3 heroes vs. 5 villains, or 3 villains supported by mooks. Maybe the occasional new villain(s) could be imported from the Champions universe?
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One problem with heading to Desert/VB/Lemuria right now is that you might not have anybody in zone chat. The game becomes less social, which is a drawback for many players. Likewise, lacking the many zone chat, people miss LFG messages, trade messages, event chat, etc.
Yes, yes--I know there are many other chat channels, but may players focus on Zone chat, including the ones sending such messages.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
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There are as MV stated many open ended bits, projects started and rolled aside, incomplete. So many potential areas to expand upon.
Maybe a return to Multifaria as the resistance finally figures out who their hero (Citizen Harmon) really is. Or possibly have some of the characters from there come looking for payback. Lapis might think it fair to come blow up the Superjet in MC (she probably never got that trip to Bermuda).
Also I would love to see some content that doesn't require being Cosmic powered. Maybe some new lower level content for veteran players to bring up new characters. Also some content that is soloable. Many heroes in books are individuals and have solo adventures that don't ALWAYS require finding a legion of heroes to complete.
Maybe some new nemesis content? Something like Nemcon but more super villain like (i.e.: Teamed up hero's nemesi (not sure on plural of nemesis) gather to destroy Millennium City making a Battle Royale with the city's Champions.
Also as MV pointed out there are pages of content you could draw from in the PnP resources.
Please quit making new currencies for each event, it seems a waste of programming power since there are already a lot of currencies that have no real value already, also if you're going to create a special currency that people have to do special things for, make it easier to dispense. (personally waiting for almost a year for a Dev token from a PTS event, and I know I'm not the only one) If they are too busy programming to reward it, why have it? (Not like it cost anything to give out digital curreny for digital items). Especially if you want us to keep giving up real money for those same digital items.
Finally, I understand there are limited resources but Superheroes are a thing right now. Why miss out on a market that wants to be tapped. Advertise this game more effectively (Burying it on the 3rd page of your games available is wasteful) It's probably your cheapest license to maintain with the greatest potential for some profit if you just gave it some love.
Sincerely Duke3Eye
"There are some of you I like more than you'll know, and some of you I know more than you'd like." ~ Me.
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As one who plays the game and as one who likes to be with friends, this is the reason I am asking here to help get the devs to start putting in new regular mission or adventure packs.
Business wise, more content means could bring back people like my friend who left or is leaving due to lack of it. It means then more income for cryptic on the champions side. Simple math to me.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
While she has been rescued
what diabolical mastermind
was behind the devious brain-napping of
the Volterrific Dr Cerebellum?
This is in striking contrast to a previous super-hero style game where it was quite easy to get together a group to run similar stand-alone content. The question is, why do so few people run the comic book series? I don't really know, but my guess would be:
1a) They are boring.
1b) They are slow-moving.
2) They are not challenging enough, especially the end bosses (except possibly Resistance).
3) The rare drops are not very interesting (except possibly Dark Speed).
I think if they were spruced up a bit, given more name villains, set to scale by party size, given more interesting rare drops and were given multiple completion rewards (like QWZ Dailies), then they might attract more players. Gating end-game gear behind them would be good, too, and more appropriate than Rampages and Cosmics.
Then, it would be easier to add content. Rather than having to wedge in more leveling content, of which there is already plenty, that will be ignored by Grab-spamming power-levelers, they create evergreen, stand-alone, story content that can be played at any level.
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
42 40s, LTSer.
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