A silly thought came to mind about Trump and 'fake news'...

xel · March 2017

I'm sittin' here, and something clicked in my mind.

Trump says the 'fake news' media is the "enemy of the American people", however, through Twitter, he reports quite a lot of inaccurate things himself.

...Is he not-so-stealthily calling himself an enemy of the American people...?

themightyzenith · March 2017

ealford1985 · March 2017

Stop Putin words in his mouth.

decorumfriends · March 2017

It's the old Republican trick. You see, they accuse YOU of what THEY'RE doing. They've been doing it for decades. In this case, Trump wants you to think everything else is fake news, so you think his is real.

Of course, hardly anyone's buying it because he's so bad at lying. He tells too many whoppers about things that are too easily checked.

It's sad, but they might not even really be lies. It's possible he's so delusional that he actually believes everything he reads on the internet that supports his positions.

catstarsto · March 2017

We are in the process of a political coup, its going to end badly no matter your politics! PM me if you want more info since i cant talk about it openly here...

markhawkman · March 2017

Enh, Democrats, republicans... they're still politicians. All you can do is vote for the somewhat less slimy one. Which was apparently Trump.

championshewolf · March 2017

markhawkman said:
Enh, Democrats, republicans... they're still politicians. All you can do is vote for the somewhat less slimy one. Which was apparently Trump.

If that were only true.

markhawkman · March 2017

championshewolf said:

markhawkman said:
Enh, Democrats, republicans... they're still politicians. All you can do is vote for the somewhat less slimy one. Which was apparently Trump.
If that were only true.

Enh, don't feel like explaining it.... you can read all about the various misdeeds of both parties if you choose to do so.

championshewolf · March 2017

markhawkman said:

championshewolf said:

markhawkman said:
Enh, Democrats, republicans... they're still politicians. All you can do is vote for the somewhat less slimy one. Which was apparently Trump.
If that were only true.
Enh, don't feel like explaining it.... you can read all about the various misdeeds of both parties if you choose to do so.

I already know of plenty of the misdeeds, but proclaiming either politician was less slimy than the other is just... ridiculous, unless you ignore the last 40 years of any of their lives. But that's just nitpicking then.

therealted · March 2017

decorumfriends said:
It's sad, but they might not even really be lies. It's possible he's so delusional that he actually believes everything he reads on the internet that supports his positions.

Another hypothesis - he knows exactly what he's doing. His main ambition to be the ultimate troll. I'd go so far as to say he's trolling the RNC along with everyone else, but the RNC are still too busy trying to ride his coattails to notice.

BTW, I'm only half-kidding. Everything he's done makes more sense, in as much as the word "sense" can apply, in light of this hypothesis.

So what's scarier - someone who's simply delusional, or someone trying hard to be the political equivalent of the Joker?

decorumfriends · March 2017

Yeah, I think there's a clear distinction between someone who's been accused of a ton of misdeeds, none of which ever stuck, and someone who was openly one of the scummiest "businessmen" of the 20th century.

baelogventure · March 2017

Awww, look at the wee little ones trying to discuss politics. It's like a baby deer trying to walk for the first time.

themightyzenith · March 2017

championshewolf · March 2017

baelogventure said:
Awww, look at the wee little ones trying to discuss politics. It's like a baby deer trying to walk for the first time.

I guess it's better than watching the deer in headlights when a train is coming.

decorumfriends · March 2017

baelogventure said:
Awww, look at the wee little ones trying to discuss politics. It's like a baby deer trying to walk for the first time.

Hee, how flattering, since I've been voting since 1978.

YAY, I'm fawn-like!

rtma · March 2017

It's hypocrisy, Politics are just a distraction in giving you the illusion of choice, with a system ran on manipulation and exploitation.

catstarsto · March 2017

rtma said:
It's hypocrisy, Politics are just a distraction in giving you the illusion of choice, with a system ran on manipulation and exploitation.

yup!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bBGGfZ_Yf8

themightyzenith · March 2017

A video from nuts who claim the rapture is coming and that they are combatting against the anti-christ.

Nice

ealford1985 · March 2017

Here is the thing about the Anti-Christ....everyone will love him!

So when I see a dick head in office, I at least take a sigh of relief that everyone hates him because it could be worse...everyone could love him and then the fantasy prophecy will be complete!!

beezeeze · March 2017

I can only see this ending badly.

I mean this thread mostly...

but yeah the current administration also.

catstarsto · March 2017

beezeeze said:
I can only see this ending badly.

I mean this thread mostly...

but yeah the current administration also.

it was a bait...because it was a one sided rant allowed to continue until they flushed out the none liberals...i bit

and threw down my mitten!

themightyzenith · March 2017

catstarsto said:

it was a bait...because it was a one sided rant allowed to continue until they flushed out the none liberals...i bit
and threw down my mitten!

It's not only "liberals" who think Trump is a liar tho'.

"Allowed to continue" by who?

orangeitis · March 2017

themightyzenith said:

catstarsto said:

it was a bait...because it was a one sided rant allowed to continue until they flushed out the none liberals...i bit
and threw down my mitten!
It's not only "liberals" who think Trump is a liar tho'.

Preach it, brutha!

The reason that the whole "fake news" thing is harmful is simple. Even if the media lies(and it does), that doesn't give any justification to call the media ITSELF "fake news". Only the nuanced parts of the reports can honestly be called 'fake'. When you(as in Trump) are ready to say that the facts the media reports on is accurate, but STILL call them 'fake news' without hesitation, you aren't interested in what's true or not. You have different motives. That statement just spotlights that fact.

What country leader over history has tried this desparately to discredit the media that WASN'T a dictator? I'm not saying our president is one at all, but he's displaying an awful lot of the signs, and just because we elected him in doesn't mean he's automatically disqualified from being one.

bulgarex · March 2017

Whether Trump has any desire or intent to become a dictator isn't a subject to broach on this thread. However, I work with many immigrants (educated professionals -- full disclosure), no few of whom come from countries with dictatorial regimes. They all agree that the line Trump is using to counter his critics and opponents is a familiar one from the leaders of their home countries: "I am the only one you can trust. Everyone who disagrees with me is a liar and a traitor."

ashensnow · March 2017

decorumfriends said:
It's the old POLITICIAN trick. You see, they accuse YOU of what THEY'RE doing. They've been doing it for decades.

Fixed that for you.

Both (all) sides do it to one degree or another.

jonsills · March 2017

orangeitis said:
...just because we elected him in doesn't mean he's automatically disqualified from being one.

In this context, it may be worth noting that both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini were elected by the people of their nations - before seizing on (differing) pretexts to make their offices permanent.

catstarsto · March 2017

themightyzenith said:

catstarsto said:

it was a bait...because it was a one sided rant allowed to continue until they flushed out the none liberals...i bit
and threw down my mitten!
It's not only "liberals" who think Trump is a liar tho'.

"Allowed to continue" by who?

Enough people voted him in due to his platform...so that was the majority of the nation. What ever you may think of him, hes doing what he said he would and the only people who are complaining about it are ether not from the US or are against his platform to begin with. And they are angry because he kept his word and began to fix things towards American values and not socialist. Europe is about to sink, and I cant say a bad word about someone wanting to actually honor his oath to serve protect and defend this country according to its founding documents....so thats where trump stands with me. Hes been hired and I expect him to do what he said! "i'll be watching you mr president!!" =O.O=

But I know somethings going to happen soon, and they will get their global government/religion...with everyone wearing their cattle tags. I expect to be killed mercilessly for resisting during this time!

Your second question brings up another issue that needs to be addressed; I need to apologies to the mods and people in this thread. Ive allowed my cynical attitude I'd acquired in the sto forums to cause me to misjudge you, I expected the worst from everyone and ask for you forgiveness for not giving you a chance.

themightyzenith · March 2017

catstarsto said:
Enough people voted him in due to his platform...so that was the majority of the nation.

Um, no. The majority of the nation did not vote for him

catstarsto said:
And they are angry because he kept his word and began to fix things towards American values and not socialist.

There are plenty of traditional Republican's in the US who would disagree with you there. Also, it's perfectly possible to have many American values and to be a liberal socialist.

catstarsto said:
Europe is about to sink

Irrelevant to this conversation................and debateable.

catstarsto said:
But I know somethings going to happen soon, and they will get their global government/religion...with everyone wearing their cattle tags. I expect to be killed mercilessly for resisting during this time!

End times indeed. Let's hope the rapture comes first.

(Jesus not included)

catstarsto · March 2017

themightyzenith said:

End times indeed. Let's hope the rapture comes first.

You mentioned that, i didnt.

...I cant say that I agree with you on much of anything concerning this discussion friend.

themightyzenith · March 2017

catstarsto said:
...I cant say that I agree with you on much of anything concerning this discussion friend.

Well, apart from the last joking point about the rapture

(you did post a video by the Tribulation Saints who believe in the rapture and that the anti-christ is coming, amongst other things), what do you disagree with in the other points I made in my last post. I'm curious.

catstarsto · March 2017

themightyzenith said:

catstarsto said:
...I cant say that I agree with you on much of anything concerning this discussion friend.
Well, apart from the last joking point about the rapture (you did post a video by the Tribulation Saints who believe in the rapture, amongst other things), what do you disagree with in the other points I made in my last post. I'm curious.

Its no secret I am a Christian, and even Wayne Levi who hosted that video believes as I do that He will only be back once...the ones waiting for a quick escape before the trouble will be disappointed, as they are warned about that trick, but still fall for it! But I dont want to push things, we should pm to talk of this further. Concerning the bible I mean.

..oh yeah, and I disagree with your points because i dont believe in liberalism or the media that feeds it. I go to Alex Jones for news. I know i know, not everyone likes him and he gets carried away, but he one of the last best sources for news IMO.

spinnytop · March 2017

markhawkman said:
Enh, Democrats, republicans... they're still politicians. All you can do is vote for the somewhat less slimy one. Which was apparently Trump.

This is what the Drumf campaign wanted you to believe. What you were supposed to do was vote for the one whose policies you agreed with. Instead, they managed to manipulate millions of people into voting for the guy with almost no concrete policies and a history of self-serving, shady business practices as "the lesser of two evils". The fact that the campaign was won not by having a better plan for the presidency, but by being better at manipulating people's perception of facts, makes it no surprise the situation we ended up with as a result: a team with no plan, constantly trying to manipulate people's perception of the facts. After all, it got them here so it must be the right thing to keep doing yeah?

People keep talking about "I did research and they're both bad!"... well I did research too, and it lead to the conclusion that one candidate was incompetent and prone to deception in the name of self benefit, constantly screwing over less wealthy people to keep themselves afloat, and the other candidate was desperately hated by half of the political spectrum and had a lot of nutjob conspiracies circulating about them that have never been confirmed ( while everything about the other one was confirmed ).

One of the things I find most dismaying is that the campaign in a sense vindicated the very idea of nutjob conspiracies, so now the people who live their lives around them have become louder and crazier than ever.

PS - people need to stop referring to american things as "the best in the world"... it's just getting more embarrasing with time... that guy saying that america has the best health care system in the world nearly made me choke on my breakfast..

catstarsto · March 2017

Just be careful not to allow arguments like this to make you angry at one another, what ever our leaders do or dont do, we as a people are still the ones who have to get along and live together. In the US right now many are showing their true colors and burning down neighborhoods and businesses over this, out of control, their evil has come to the surface like wild beasts. And people suffer. Ive seen people from both sides making posts on google mocking our leader and each other with irrelevant pics and posters, this doesnt help, nor does it give a good impression to others, it only divides us and creates more anger.

Many of you may even hate me for not agreeing with your standing, but dont let politics do that to you! We are better then that as a people!! We should learn from cats on how to live together...

decorumfriends · March 2017

ashensnow said:

decorumfriends said:
It's the old POLITICIAN trick. You see, they accuse YOU of what THEY'RE doing. They've been doing it for decades.
Fixed that for you.

Both (all) sides do it to one degree or another.

Your "one degree or another" is one side doing it a 100:1 ratio or more.

There's a huge false equivalency on most things in this area.

decorumfriends · March 2017

catstarsto said:
I go to Alex Jones for news. I know i know, not everyone likes him and he gets carried away, but he one of the last best sources for news IMO.

Uh, no, he's actually batshit crazy and demonstrably wrong time and time again. Now HE'S "fake news".

catstarsto · March 2017

decorumfriends said:

catstarsto said:
I go to Alex Jones for news. I know i know, not everyone likes him and he gets carried away, but he one of the last best sources for news IMO.
Uh, no, he's actually batshit crazy and demonstrably wrong time and time again. Now HE'S "fake news".

shruggs, looks like we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter then. Your assessment is how I perceive company's like CNN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVuqInRfOKo

themightyzenith · March 2017

Alex Jones doesn't give the news. At best he's a distraction from the real news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWieh7YIgY

catstarsto · March 2017

themightyzenith said:
Alex Jones doesn't give the news. At best he's a distraction from the real news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWieh7YIgY

I know he gets carried away, for the drama and humor of the show. But I trust his news...he tells whats going on, CNN tells a one sided story...the video i shared, there where plenty of people there to ask, but they still needed a scripted employee.

Now I know you dont believe in dimensional beings, but if your aware of science you know there are higher dimensions then the one we are able to interact with. Naturally this would lead to the talk of Intelligent Deign I have linked below...Hilary even knows about it, she wanted Bill To tell everyone she communicated with Eleanor Roosevelt through her summoning practices the night before. She had spats of violently wiggling and crazy laughing like a Chaos Marine...so i it just comes down to, if you dont like someone they can do no right, but if you like someone they can do no wrong. People can deceive themselves by just that alone. I look at our leaders according to how they represent us, and follow their oath of office...the news, to its legitimacy. Thankfully Wayne Levi sorts through the filler and posts the news portion for us in his ministry.

spinnytop · March 2017

catstarsto said:
Now I know you dont believe in dimensional beings, but if your aware of science you know there are higher dimensions then the one we are able to interact with.

That point in a conversation when you realize the person you've been talking to doesn't even live on the same planet as you and you wish you could get your time back o3o

jonsills · March 2017

Cat, Jones maintains that every mass shooting in the US is a "false flag" attack as part of a massive conspiracy to take away yer GUNS!!! (A conspiracy which, oddly enough, has yet to actually do anything to accomplish its alleged goals...)

His claims are demonstrably false, particularly as any conspiracy capable of manipulating all available data to the extent he claims would be sufficiently powerful as to no longer need to manipulate data. It's quite silly when analyzed with objective logic.

themightyzenith · March 2017

catstarsto said:
Thankfully Wayne Levi sorts through the filler and posts the news portion for us in his ministry.

You mean like when he claims that the coming of Trump was prophesied in the Book of Revelations? Or when he also claims that Aliens are kinda demons who are trying to alter our thoughts? Or when he claims that cutting your wang off will get you closer to God?

Yeah, Wayne Levi Price gives the real news

jonesing4 · March 2017

decorumfriends said:

Your "one degree or another" is one side doing it a 100:1 ratio or more.

There's a huge false equivalency on most things in this area.

You're right, objectivity is very important.

spinnytop · March 2017

themightyzenith said:

You mean like when he claims that the coming of Trump was prophesied in the Book of Revelations? Or when he also claims that Aliens are kinda demons who are trying to alter our thoughts? Or when he claims that cutting your wang off will get you closer to God?

Yeah, Wayne Levi Price gives the real news

O_o ...I mean I knew the guy was nuts... I didn't know he was THAT nuts...

themightyzenith · March 2017

spinnytop said:
O_o ...I mean I knew the guy was nuts... I didn't know he was THAT nuts...

I think he's more a manipulator who tries to take advantage of certain folks for money (click here to donate, go to -insert web site- to donate) ....... and a bit nuts, prophet complex nuts.

His outrageous claims are easy to find on Youtube, but I'll spare folks the sanity loss by not linking that brainwashing BS.

guyhumual · March 2017

decorumfriends said:

catstarsto said:
I go to Alex Jones for news. I know i know, not everyone likes him and he gets carried away, but he one of the last best sources for news IMO.
Uh, no, he's actually batshit crazy and demonstrably wrong time and time again. Now HE'S "fake news".

He's the original fake news, back before facebook, and Glen Beck was stealing his "the government is out to get you" shtick.

decorumfriends · March 2017

catstarsto said:

decorumfriends said:

catstarsto said:
I go to Alex Jones for news. I know i know, not everyone likes him and he gets carried away, but he one of the last best sources for news IMO.
Uh, no, he's actually batshit crazy and demonstrably wrong time and time again. Now HE'S "fake news".

shruggs, looks like we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter then. Your assessment is how I perceive company's like CNN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVuqInRfOKo

**facepalms** Oh, Cat. That's not a CNN cameraman, that's a cameraman Don Lemon worked with back in Chicago years and years before. He's just another protestor, not a CNN plant

catstarsto · March 2017

spinnytop said:

That point in a conversation when you realize the person you've been talking to doesn't even live on the same planet as you and you wish you could get your time back o3o

Im not going to apologies for existing, but I can accommodate you with leaving you be from now on, assuming im not already on ignore. >.>

themightyzenith said:

Me: X=3
X+X=6

Far right wing: "You dont know what you are talking about Cat, X = 10 in Roman numerals! Therefore X+X=20

Far left wing: "Cat you are the stupidest (censored) around, I was educated by the greatest minds in (insert liberal college), X is the 24th letter in the English alphabet! Do you even know how to read? So X+X would equal 48!"

...those who catch on to the above scenario, will be few but are open minded enough to hear instead of talk. Its a personal character thing!

jonsills said:
Cat, Jones maintains that every mass shooting in the US is a "false flag" attack as part of a massive conspiracy to take away yer GUNS!!! (A conspiracy which, oddly enough, has yet to actually do anything to accomplish its alleged goals...)

His claims are demonstrably false, particularly as any conspiracy capable of manipulating all available data to the extent he claims would be sufficiently powerful as to no longer need to manipulate data. It's quite silly when analyzed with objective logic.

I do see your reasoning to a certain point, Jones is far right, and ether side that lives for their politics tends to be a bit nutty, like Ashley Judd and her speech about being dirty...followed by wearing those obscene hats. But if your familiar TS videos about current events, most of Jones news I see is given by a man and woman sitting at a news desk, Jones's antics in that other video isnt worth my time, the news given on his show is.

But concerning the guns thing, there has been a lot of fudging with those stories, some are lies. Like videos of this nature:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4922rWCZ890

But there is also the fact that operation fast and furious was put into place to arm insurgents coming across the open borders, while there was a campaign from the same president to take our guns because citizens where too dangerous. (reminded me of Wags the Dog)

PLus the shipping in of all adult male refugees, none of which are documented or have their where abouts tracked by law...this is how you build an army. Obama is 2 miles away from the whitehouse, organizing to overthrow trump, the rioters inthe streets have "Communist Revolution" on their some of their signs. Soro's is funding this, from the Bush's to the clintons, to obama...they want the NWO. Trump, unless hes bluffing, is standing int he way of that, so hes getting hammered with all they have to throw at him, even misinformed voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAFvAcXXfFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oHwaSs0HsE

jennymachx · March 2017

Yeah sure, Obama's plotting to overthrow Trump and his administration, just like how Trump claims Obama has been wiretapping without evidence to back that claim up, then proceeds to urge Congress into starting a probe into it with the hopes that the commander-in-tweets doesn't come off as a complete loud-mouthed jackass.

Gotta love those conspiracy theories. And speaking of conspiracy theories, Alex Jones is a conspiracy nut who has made a career out of being a sensationalist, and the convenient thing about sensationalist conspiracy theories is that you don't need to make a lot of effort to try to verify them as actual facts. I mean, we're talking about the guy who hilariously called Obama and Hilary "demons who smell of sulfur". The same guy who accused Obama of using classified weather weapons to create tornadoes with the intent of wiping out populations for political gains. The same guy who compared the Obama administration's intent to maintain net neutrality to modern day Nazism, identical to how Hitler in his heyday wanted "telegraphic neutrality" (what the actual ****?).

The guy doesn't "tell what's going on". The guy tells his version of what he thinks is really going on within his own personal headspace, with an obvious bias towards the left.

catstarsto · March 2017

jennymachx said:
Yeah sure, Obama's plotting to overthrow Trump and his administration, just like how Trump claims Obama has been wiretapping without evidence to back that claim up, then proceeds to urge Congress into starting a probe into it with the hopes that the commander-in-tweets doesn't come off as a complete loud-mouthed jackass.

Gotta love those conspiracy theories. And speaking of conspiracy theories, Alex Jones is a conspiracy nut who has made a career out of being a sensationalist, and the convenient thing about sensationalist conspiracy theories is that you don't need to make a lot of effort to try to verify them as actual facts. I mean, we're talking about the guy who hilariously called Obama and Hilary "demons who smell of sulfur". The same guy who accused Obama of using classified weather weapons to create tornadoes with the intent of wiping out populations for political gains. The same guy who compared the Obama administration's intent to maintain net neutrality to modern day Nazism, identical to how Hitler in his heyday wanted "telegraphic neutrality" (what the actual ****?).

The guy doesn't "tell what's going on". The guy tells his version of what he thinks is really going on within his own personal headspace, with an obvious bias towards the left.

...but you have to also take into consideration, that your assessment of opposing news sources also can condemn your own with the same case you spoke of. It comes back to what YOU the viewer choose to believe. So shouting me down or anyone else that you are right and they are wrong isnt proof, its just stomping your foot demanding "im right and your wrong" this is why I trust Wayne Levi to filter through the rubbish.

This isnt about me looking down on you nor forcing you to believe this or that, Im sharing my opinion and what I believe so you know where I come from and dont think im just trying to disagree or make stuff up. Politics doesnt really matter to me, we game together and shouldnt let a different opinion cause us to have anger, nor feel rivalry due to said difference of news outlets. My heals, rez and anything else you guys need from me is and has always been at your service to help you in the game. How you feel about me doesnt affect that!

IM not going to respond anymore on this thread since its just making you guys madder. So if you have more to say to me, please be nice and give me your thoughts without beating me up. if its a question Ill PM you.

spinnytop · March 2017

catstarsto said:
Im not going to apologies for existing, but I can accommodate you with leaving you be from now on, assuming im not already on ignore. >.>

I don't really put people on ignore for anything other than spamming. I can handle seeing what other people type, even if it disagrees with what I think. I think that's an ability that more people could adopt, especially in political environments. I feel that people who feel the need to silence the opinions of others simply don't have much confidence in their own opinions ~.^

catstarsto said:

IM not going to respond anymore on this thread since its just making you guys madder. So if you have more to say to me, please be nice and give me your thoughts without beating me up. if its a question Ill PM you.

I don't really see anyone getting mad. Jenny's quote doesn't really give the impression that she hates you or anything. She's just pointing out some really good facts about the ridiculous statements that Alex Jones has made, as are other people. Might wanna think about why that bothers you so much. As for why it bothers us, it's because people believing that stuff helps get incompetent, corrupt businessmen elected into office.

A silly thought came to mind about Trump and 'fake news'...

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