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PTS Group Testing: Cosmic Revamp April 9th 2pm ST

xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
edited April 2016 in Champions Online Discussion


Testing Complete!
Thank you for coming out everyone! We got a lot of good data! Hope you all had fun as well!
https://youtu.be/ELE0wN95Slo


Original post:

Conquer is gathering all available Champions for testing of the revamped Cosmic enemies. Currently this includes Teleiosaurus and Kigatilik (we will include Qwyjibo if he is ready by Saturday).

Conquer is one of the larger and more active groups on CO, however these Cosmic level enemies have been rebalanced for groups of 20 or more heroes. Therefore, we are reaching outside our group and to a variety of player, builds, and skill level to ensure the cosmic entities are both fun and challenging when they go live. No individual or Super Group can realistically test this update alone.

We have arranged for a developer to be there during the testing. They will be available to respawn Cosmics upon their defeat so we can test multiple times and not have to wait for the long cool down.

Details



Meeting Time: 2 pm Server Time Saturday April 9th (Early enough time for our European friends to join)
Meeting Place: Outside Argent Hunting Lodge (Coordinates -1564 207 329 - type "/loc" to see your current Coordinates)





If you would like to join:
  • You must be a Gold Subscriber to access the PTS.
  • Post that you will be joining us so we have an idea of how we will do the testing with the amount of people involved.
  • Also, please post your possible builds that you can bring (experience with ATs, Freeform builds) to give us an idea of what we can do for testing (healer, tank, dps, etc.) Example:
    • Mira Kimbal: Free Form
      Off-Tank
    • G.I. Broh: Soldier AT
      DPS
  • Keep in mind the pts characters were recently wiped: http://www.arcgames.com/en/my/character/copy/co to copy them back over).
  • If you can record video, or know how to use combat parsers, please show up and record data so it can be posted and used to balance the cosmic entities.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,467 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    It's time to come together as a community and help build the future of this game... together... with togetherness...and cooperation! s( ^ _ ^)z


    ps - this was my idea o3o

    PSS - I converted the time to some other time zones

    -----------------------------------------------------------
    PDT( US west coast )....2 PM
    EST ( US east coast ).....5 PM
    BST( UK ).....................10 PM
    CST( China )................5 AM*
    AEST( Australia )..........7 AM*


    * - I guess for these people it'd be sunday morning? Crazy time travelers...
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  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    List of Enemies People who are showing:
    • Cat@Splaid:
    • Queen Thickness@Kazecat
    • Silverspar@Silverspar
    • Mira@Razama
    • Lyn@aqa
    • Foxi@FoxiandFriends
    • Caliga@SSGOLDUS


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  • chaelkchaelk Posts: 7,746 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    2pm , that works out at about 4am to me, unless server is on DST, in which case its 3am
    yep, just checking 2.31am Server time is 5.31pm my time, so eastern states will be 3hrs later.​​
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  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,561 Arc User
    I think I can make it (that should be 5:00 on the east coast, right?). I have all kinds of characters. Would you like a particular type (healer, debuffer, dps, tank, etc)?
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  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    jaazaniah1 said:

    I think I can make it (that should be 5:00 on the east coast, right?). I have all kinds of characters. Would you like a particular type (healer, debuffer, dps, tank, etc)?

    There isn't a preference, we just thought it would be a good idea to have a number of what would be available. There is no "raid window" so we are going to have to divide up into teams of 4 or more. Just knowing what people are comfortable playing with would be nice so that others showing up know what kind of build they can bring to fill in the gaps and so we can plan out how to take down this Teleiosaraus and the baby Teleiosaruas it spawns.
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  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,533 Arc User
    I can never truly know what that Saturday has set out for me, but I'll join in if I can. Probably as Anatari.​​
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  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,561 Arc User
    OK, how about I bring a healer/debuffer type to see if that has much practical use.
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  • xcaligaxxcaligax Posts: 1,096 Arc User
    It's safe to assume that around 10-14 people from Conquer alone will be showing up. We'd really like it if more from the community would also participate as these are designed for 20+ players.
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    2 PM ST should be practical enough for me.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    I'm the second in command how in the actual %$£@ is this the first time I have heard of it!?



















    Also good idea.
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  • rtmartma Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    I would attempt participation if I knew what time that was for me, most likely Sunday morning, which in that case I'm not gonna make it, Yay Time zones Differences.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,467 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    rtma said:

    I would attempt participation if I knew what time that was for me, most likely Sunday morning, which in that case I'm not gonna make it, Yay Time zones Differences.

    I converted the time to some time zones, it's in the 2nd post in the thread. I dunno where you're at but I tried to cast a wide-ish net




    Btw everyone, the goal here is a realistic test, and on live server we can assume that there will be two elements at play in the fights. One element will be the organized people who are set up in groups. Another element will be people who randomly show up and fight solo. And then there are people who show up in groups but are just some friends showing up together who didn't consciously try to set up a "good group". This test isn't just to see what happens when the
    "best of the best" show up super organized with nobody else present. I'd like for all these elements to be accounted for so we can see any issues that these elements might bring up, so the fights can be adjusted appropriately. If you want to "role play" as one of these elements in order to make a more complete test, then feel free to do so - and as was mentioned, make sure to fire up that parser so you have some hard data to provide.

    Remember that the goal here isn't to beat the fight, but to test it, find problems, and help mold it so that it is something that everyone can participate in.
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  • rtmartma Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    spinnytop said:


    I converted the time to some time zones, it's in the 2nd post in the thread. I dunno where you're at but I tried to cast a wide-ish net

    Thanks, Yep, Morning, wouldn't do me much good to stay up all night for it so, oh well then, Unless you want me, I won't make it.

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  • stellariodragonstellariodragon Posts: 588 Arc User
    I should be there, but I'm a bit rusty.​​
  • alt0angel0skalt0angel0sk Posts: 138 Arc User
    sounds like fun,i try make it there :)

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  • dragonfist8dragonfist8 Posts: 82 Arc User
    i'll definitely make it

  • captainhunter1captainhunter1 Posts: 409 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    Sounds like a great idea. :)

    But as this is a balancing test, don't forget that not all teams will be made up of super-uber-duber min-max builds with the bestest equipment in the game. What if a team is a pug with like half or more of them being silver ATs? It could be a very discouraging thing to finally get 20 people together and stand no chance at winning.

    Maybe have some kind of scaling mechanic in place based on group make up?
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  • aiqaaiqa Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    I think we would need at least 4 tanks and 3 healers to have a chance at this.
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    captainhunter1 said:

    What if a team is a pug with like half or more of them being silver ATs?

    I'm guessing the answer is "they fail".
    aiqa said:

    I think we would need at least 4 tanks and 3 healers to have a chance at this.

    I'm not convinced that single-tanking the bite is impossible, but the margin for error is really low if you try.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,467 Arc User
    captainhunter1 said:

    Sounds like a great idea. :)

    But as this is a balancing test, don't forget that not all teams will be made up of super-uber-duber min-max builds with the bestest equipment in the game. What if a team is a pug with like half or more of them being silver ATs? It could be a very discouraging thing to finally get 20 people together and stand no chance at winning.


    We welcome ATs at this testing event, in fact one of the first things I mentioned when I came up with this was that if nobody shows up who represents exactly what you're talking about that we would have people pretend to be them. This is to be a thorough test that attempts to mimic what realistic conditions on live would be, like I expressed a few posts ago.
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  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    captainhunter1 said:

    Sounds like a great idea. :)

    But as this is a balancing test, don't forget that not all teams will be made up of super-uber-duber min-max builds with the bestest equipment in the game. What if a team is a pug with like half or more of them being silver ATs? It could be a very discouraging thing to finally get 20 people together and stand no chance at winning.

    Maybe have some kind of scaling mechanic in place based on group make up?

    That is why we asked if people will post what they wanted to play as. The SG members were going to fill in the gaps if we didn't see enough variety. However...

    I doubt there will be any scaling. These are open world monsters. They drop Gold Champion Recognition. They are meant to be only do-able by large groups because of the rare rewards. Scaling isn't something that is going to happen, it is a set challenge where you can bring in more and more reinforcements. There isn't scaling with Mega Destroids, the Mechanon Event, Grond, or any of the other cosmics, I doubt they are going to do it now to cater to unorganized groups.

    So we will try to test more than just "uber" builds and get realistic conditions, but we aren't going to purposefully go soft or use a bad setup (not enough tanks for instance) to make sure gimped builds and teams have a chance.

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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,467 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    If you show up with your "unorganized group of silver ATs" and find that you are unable to succeed, send someone back to Millenium City and send out the call for more people to show up in zone chat. In that way, you can scale up the number of players you have in your group to whatever size you need, no encounter scaling required. I believe that the maximum group size for such an event is 99? Should be enough :smiley:
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  • captainhunter1captainhunter1 Posts: 409 Arc User
    Oh, so there's no real number of heroes required to start (or end) the event then?

    Is 20 fairly high skilled, well equipped characters what you are trying to balance the encounter for?

    But would still be winnable with say 5 super-ultimate, built only for the encounter, builds?

    ....or by 85 gimped silver ATs - lol.
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  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    captainhunter1 said:

    Oh, so there's no real number of heroes required to start (or end) the event then?

    Is 20 fairly high skilled, well equipped characters what you are trying to balance the encounter for?

    But would still be winnable with say 5 super-ultimate, built only for the encounter, builds?

    ....or by 85 gimped silver ATs - lol.

    We took 7 of our best, and we died lol.

    It truly is not winnable versus Teleiosuarus with less than 15 of the strongest players, in part because at 2/3rds life a baby teleiosaraus spawns (the one from TA). So in essence you have to fight two cosmics at once. Also, teleiosaurus' attacks are practically impossible to tank alone. There is a mechanic that makes the damage spread among 3 targets, so you need 3 tanks to keep aggro on Teleiosaurus alone, then you need another tank or two to take on the baby. You need healers for all of this - THEN throw in the DPS (don't forget they regain health if you don't do enough dps during their healing buff), and mind the mobs that naturally roam that area.

    Oh and for good measure, that baby? If you kill it, the mom gets mad and also revives it. I also heard talk of some penalty for kiting the baby away too far.
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  • iamdamoiamdamo Posts: 5 Arc User
    I'm Australian but I'll try to get up early enough to join
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  • dr490nbr347hidr490nbr347hi Posts: 276 Arc User
    I'll make it.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,467 Arc User
    captainhunter1 said:


    ....or by 85 gimped silver ATs - lol.

    85 gimped ATs would get torn to shreds by this encounter. However, 85 normal ATs would be able to beat it so long as there's a minimum of team work at play.
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  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    spinnytop said:

    captainhunter1 said:


    ....or by 85 gimped silver ATs - lol.

    85 gimped ATs would get torn to shreds by this encounter. However, 85 normal ATs would be able to beat it so long as there's a minimum of team work at play.
    They might be able to zerg rush it if they had really fast TPs :P

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  • warcanchwarcanch Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    I copied 3 over to PTS, a healer, dps, and a tank. None of them are beyond Heroic gear. Going to stage them at the Argent Hunting Lodge in hopes that I can make this event.
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  • xcaligaxxcaligax Posts: 1,096 Arc User
    Just bumping this thread to get more eyes on it.
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  • dragonfist8dragonfist8 Posts: 82 Arc User
    *flips all the tables (tactical post with a purpose)

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  • bluhmanbluhman Posts: 2,411 Arc User
    I'ma help out. I can bring a Tank, Melee or Ranged DPS, or Healer.

    The Tank and DPS' got legion/rampage/onslaught/vigilante gear, the healer's just heroic/determination gear.
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  • xcaligaxxcaligax Posts: 1,096 Arc User
    Conquer would like to thank all that have participated in this testing event, along with Kaiserin for helping out.

    In total, there were 37 testers at peak to help with the Cosmic revamps.

    Thank you all for your efforts.
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  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,561 Arc User
    Looking forward to hearing all the feedback. Tele wasn't so bad, but, boy, Kigatilik is tough!
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  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    Verdict: Teleiosaurus is pretty close to being just right, Kigatilik is impossible XD
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  • dragonfist8dragonfist8 Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    kigatilik didn't like us very much and definitely got his pay back from all the years in which he and his puppies were abused

  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    Part 1 of testing

    https://youtu.be/ELE0wN95Slo
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    Is that a combination of boss buffs AND power nerfs as some of the numbers appearing I dont like one bit @_@

    Also well done with that video I hardly ever come across a MMO vid where I can get a good look at the numbers :3
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  • xrazamaxxrazamax Posts: 982 Arc User
    nepht said:

    Is that a combination of boss buffs AND power nerfs as some of the numbers appearing I dont like one bit @_@

    Also well done with that video I hardly ever come across a MMO vid where I can get a good look at the numbers :3

    Just boss buffs - there aren't any power changes in this pts build. Maybe the nerfs you were seeing is from people who got hit with teleiosaurus breath? I think that debuffs if you don't block the entire thing.

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  • chaosdrgnz43chaosdrgnz43 Posts: 1,683 Arc User
    Oh my God. I think only my healer is suited for that fight. My dmg toons have cc in their combos, don't want to waste G retconning it.
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    And at 7:09, the lesson learned is that she needs more buffs ;)
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    xrazamax said:



    Just boss buffs - there aren't any power changes in this pts build. Maybe the nerfs you were seeing is from people who got hit with teleiosaurus breath? I think that debuffs if you don't block the entire thing.

    Ok Panic over :D

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  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,785 Arc User
    gradii said:



    you'll just get no rewards if you bring your ATs more likely than not. Welcome to the nirvana which is "anti leeching'

    Why do you say that? There is a minimum particpation level, but we don't know if it is percentage based, minimum number, or amount of time tagged as a combatant.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,916 Arc User
    So... does this mean these guys have been buffed to Liberated Mega-D level?
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    roughbearmattach said:

    Why do you say that? There is a minimum particpation level, but we don't know if it is percentage based, minimum number, or amount of time tagged as a combatant.

    Assuming it's based on the scoring system, it's not going to be time based. It's probably percentage based. How inclusive that is depends on what the threshold is set at, but I'd be surprised if at least some ATs can't hit the measure, there are plenty effective ATs out there.
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