Yeah, well he also slapped his wife around, which I find detestable and unforgivable in any situation.
Its fiction though and to be fair she kicked his **** later. Its more like that movie War of The Roses. They beat each other up.
He slapped her, it upset her yes, the shock that he did it knocked her back a bit yes, but he didnt slap her around. Its impossible for a slap to do The Wasp physical harm.
Its like when Lois Lane slaps everyone yet no one hates her for that U__U"
Also Batman fights Catwoman often no one freaks out as most people know Cats is slightly more superhuman than Bats. She touched a lotta stuff she shouldn't have touched ended up with some cat "curse" that boosts her strength and speed Wildcat broke his hands sparing with her afterwards no one hates Wildcat either.
The Pym hate is silly.
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Can Wolverine please be moved into another timeline, away from the main Marvel universe?
And can everyone promptly forget what the timeline number is?
I'm so tired of his schtick. (And his snickt, but that's another rant.)
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Thank you. Ive been saying for years it was a slap that got drawn wrong my poor english I find it hard to google ( takes me long enough to post here :I )
I don't believe Marvel Studios can do any wrong currently. I thought for certain GotG was going to be their first stumble, considering the IP was something virtually no one outside of a comic shop regular had heard of, but I was very wrong. I haven't seen it yet, but apparently it was quite the success financially.
GOTG is the best Marvel movie so far.
Not a single character in this movie comes bad and not a moment of it is boring.
"What are you doing?"
"Dance-off bro, you and me!"
"WHAT. ARE. YOU. DOING!?"
I was expecting everything, but not handling a final fight this way.
GOTG is the best Marvel movie so far.
Not a single character in this movie comes bad and not a moment of it is boring.
You know, I suspect the movie was a success BECAUSE the comic series was so under the radar compared to much of the Marvel comics. They could afford be risky as there were less pre-conceived notions from the audience of what expect.
You know, I suspect the movie was a success BECAUSE the comic series was so under the radar compared to much of the Marvel comics. They could afford be risky as there were less pre-conceived notions from the audience of what expect.
But it actually matches the comic book in crazyness. This GOTG setup is all kinds of crazy.
You know, I suspect the movie was a success BECAUSE the comic series was so under the radar compared to much of the Marvel comics. They could afford be risky as there were less pre-conceived notions from the audience of what expect.
I don't know. The movie poster has the tag line "You're welcome". It looked like the main aim was towards the comic book crowd that already knows who the GotG are and attempting to blow their minds letting them know that a movie adaption is being made; something no one would have expected to ever happen. Its loose association with the previous MCU films certainly would have helped draw the general audience.
I don't know. The movie poster has the tag line "You're welcome". It looked like the main aim was towards the comic book crowd that already knows who the GotG are and attempting to blow their minds letting them know that a movie adaption is being made; something no one would have expected to ever happen. Its loose association with the previous MCU films certainly would have helped draw the general audience.
I was actually shocked to see Marvel dig into their lesser known comics to find something interesting to make into a movie . Big companies dont normally do that. I was overjoyed it was Rocket they where bringing to the big screen I've always liked that overly violent goofball.
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I'm not a huge Wolverine fan, but never understood the hate. Hate for Deadpool I can understand. He was a good creation that they took to far.
Though turning mutants into Inhumans just to screw over FOX? Have they not tried just buying the rights back? Disney has enough money, I would think it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to do.
I'm not a huge Wolverine fan, but never understood the hate. Hate for Deadpool I can understand. He was a good creation that they took to far.
Though turning mutants into Inhumans just to screw over FOX? Have they not tried just buying the rights back? Disney has enough money, I would think it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to do.
But what about the lawyers? Will somebody think of the poor lawyers.
If they are not being paid insane amounts to find dumbass loopholes how on Earth will they buy their mansions ?
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My problem with Wolverine is that he started off as a pretty interesting character (one of his earliest appearances as an X-Man, after cutting loose and chopping up a demonic entity in the woods on Xavier's estate, had a great line*), but over time, they've repeatedly amped up his power level, his indifference to slaughter, and his supposed charisma, until finally he was supposed to be a tentpole for no less than four titles - simultaneously (how exactly did he manage to adventure in space with the X-Men, while leading X-Force and living in Avengers Tower, all at the same time??) - and seduce women right and left, while men just stood by in awe. Oh, and he could regenerate just from his skeleton after being blown up by an overpowered Nitro in the wake of Civil War. He could do no wrong, and until that famed recent storyline, he couldn't die. (And you know they're bringing their cash cow back to life during Secret Wars).
It's tired, and tiresome.
*"Ten years o psycho-training. O hypnotism. O drug therapy. Ten years o prayin an I cut him to pieces without a thought.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
My problem with Wolverine is that he started off as a pretty interesting character (one of his earliest appearances as an X-Man, after cutting loose and chopping up a demonic entity in the woods on Xavier's estate, had a great line*), but over time, they've repeatedly amped up his power level, his indifference to slaughter, and his supposed charisma, until finally he was supposed to be a tentpole for no less than four titles - simultaneously (how exactly did he manage to adventure in space with the X-Men, while leading X-Force and living in Avengers Tower, all at the same time??) - and seduce women right and left, while men just stood by in awe. Oh, and he could regenerate just from his skeleton after being blown up by an overpowered Nitro in the wake of Civil War. He could do no wrong, and until that famed recent storyline, he couldn't die. (And you know they're bringing their cash cow back to life during Secret Wars).
It's tired, and tiresome.
*"Ten years o psycho-training. O hypnotism. O drug therapy. Ten years o prayin an I cut him to pieces without a thought.
They actually had a really well written issue of Wolverine where they poked fun at Wolverine being on so many teams. They had a couple of pages where it ran through the weeks of Wolverine, Mon-fighting with the Avengers, Tues: X-Men, Wed: X-Force, etc etc.
Plus, he didnt live at Avengers tower, and if you actually read X-Men and Avengers at the time, you would know that he was not included in many stories and issues because he was with the other teams. They would even tie in things like when Norman Osborn attacked Utopia with the Dark Avengers, Wolverine left the Avengers to go help them.
So it was indeed written better then people give it credit for, but since it is popular to hate, they do. Though the coming back from the dead in Civil War, well i am happy that is over, though I liked the concept of him fighting a spirit of death to comeback. Hell he (Wolverine) even said himself he was coming back from injuries that should have killed him.
I'm not a huge Wolverine fan, but never understood the hate. Hate for Deadpool I can understand. He was a good creation that they took to far.
Deadpool was a Rob Liefeld creation from the "Pouches, Gritting Teeth, and XTREEEEM!"-era and only turned into something decent once other writers got hold of him.
Though turning mutants into Inhumans just to screw over FOX? Have they not tried just buying the rights back? Disney has enough money, I would think it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to do.
That is more of a "Can we avoid paying money and still make it work?" move. Also, if you heard "Inhumans" when talking about the twins, that's only because you expected/wanted to hear that instead of Enhanced.
Deadpool was a Rob Liefeld creation from the "Pouches, Gritting Teeth, and XTREEEEM!"-era and only turned into something decent once other writers got hold of him.
That is more of a "Can we avoid paying money and still make it work?" move. Also, if you heard "Inhumans" when talking about the twins, that's only because you expected/wanted to hear that instead of Enhanced.
I know who invented Deadpool and I know he only got better when others got a hold of him, but they then went to far.
Like many writers/editors often do. They get into the next step of "What can I do that's even bigger, better and/or more extreme than everything before?"
Like Wolverine coming back from just his skeleton Seemed more like a writer/artist thinking it would be a great scene/image.
Pffth, as far as we know, Logan has survived several Big Bangs and Big Crunches.
Edit: Personally, I have no hate for Wolverine. I'm just selective with my memory. I liked the relationship he had with Carol Danvers and consequently, the relationship he developed with Rogue, neither of which involved shipping initially (gasp). Kind of like how he handled Jubilee, initally. Then, I slammed the mag shut, covered my ears and said, 'La, la, la: stopped reading. La, la, la: Logan doesn't have bone claws. La, la, la...'
Though doing some reading, it looks like the plan is to move X-Men onto another world.
That does make some sense, the way the reaction to mutants in the X-Men line is portrayed is generally completely out of whack with how metas are treated in the rest of the Marvel universe. And normal people seem to have a mutant radar of some sort when it comes to their reaction to any powers being displayed.
That does make some sense, the way the reaction to mutants in the X-Men line is portrayed is generally completely out of whack with how metas are treated in the rest of the Marvel universe. And normal people seem to have a mutant radar of some sort when it comes to their reaction to any powers being displayed.
Yup. Tradition aside, X-titles were always out of sync with the rest of Earth-616. In a world full of metahumans for some reason mutants were persecuted. If this was at least general stance against all supers, this would have some sense, but it wasn't the case.
Storywise X-continuity really belongs more to the world where mutants are pretty much only metahumans.
Now that that's out if the way, let's talk about Wolverine.
My reasons of disliking him are twofold. First off, when a character becomes too powerful or unkillable, they become boring. You know that he's gonna be the one to save the day. Crappy fanboy writers are the cause. And then people like him because he's so cool and literally edgy, and that brings me to point two...
Oversaturation. I don't mind that the guy is in a dozen different books or movies, but all of the movies put him in the forefront. They should have called all the movies Wolverine and the X-Men. Other characters get pushed aside or killed off because it serves to put Eolverine more in the spotlight. Again, it's fanboy writers and pandering to the edgy-lovers and it harms all the other characters and story in the process.
I won't watch another X-Men movie until they're made by Marvel.
PS- whenever I talk about the Days of Future Past movie, I always call it Wolverine: Days of Future Past and to date, either no one gets the joke or they don't notice it because that's what it may as well have been called.
Scott Summers did, and sacrificed, more for the mutant cause than Logan ever did.
He saved the entire species, for the very least.
And then he became a media celebrity which was even more successful for the cause.
All this while being constantly badmouthed and given no respect from loud people with less achievements, like Logan and Ororo.
All Logan ever did was a grunt's work.
If not people's love for edgelords, Wolverine wouldn't be even popular.
And his Mary Sue plot armor isn't even disguised. Wolverine is a terrible person, pretty much like Frank Castle or Deadpool, but Wade and Castle are at least universally disliked in-universe, while writers are making Logan worshipped.
My problem with Wolverine is that he started off as a pretty interesting character (one of his earliest appearances as an X-Man, after cutting loose and chopping up a demonic entity in the woods on Xavier's estate, had a great line*), but over time, they've repeatedly amped up his power level, his indifference to slaughter, and his supposed charisma, until finally he was supposed to be a tentpole for no less than four titles - simultaneously (how exactly did he manage to adventure in space with the X-Men, while leading X-Force and living in Avengers Tower, all at the same time??) - and seduce women right and left, while men just stood by in awe. Oh, and he could regenerate just from his skeleton after being blown up by an overpowered Nitro in the wake of Civil War. He could do no wrong, and until that famed recent storyline, he couldn't die. (And you know they're bringing their cash cow back to life during Secret Wars).
It's tired, and tiresome.
*"Ten years o psycho-training. O hypnotism. O drug therapy. Ten years o prayin an I cut him to pieces without a thought.
The thing about Nitro though, is that he has an absurdly powerful superpower and the writers did a fine job of making him near-impossible to kill. What better than to throw someone who could recover from explosions the size of a mini-nuke quickly enough at the guy?
Also everyone else at the time seemed to be too caught up with the Registration Act to go after a nuke on two legs running around freely after like, levelling several city blocks and an elementary school full of children. The rest of the X-men seemed content with staying disconnected from everything going on because they declared themselves neutral while Logan was the only one among them to have the initiative to go after the guy.
Not really trying to defend the character nor argue that he's a Mary Sue boring immortal type, I'm just in the opinion that he does have some redeeming factors about him.
...Scott Summers did, and sacrificed, more for the mutant cause than Logan ever did.
He saved the entire species, for the very least.
And then he became a media celebrity which was even more successful for the cause.
All this while being constantly badmouthed and given no respect from loud people with less achievements, like Logan and Ororo.
All Logan ever did was a grunt's work.
If not people's love for edgelords, Wolverine wouldn't be even popular.
And his Mary Sue plot armor isn't even disguised. Wolverine is a terrible person, pretty much like Frank Castle or Deadpool, but Wade and Castle are at least universally disliked in-universe, while writers are making Logan worshipped.
Scott Summers doesn't do what Scott Summers does for Scott Summers...
...Scott Summers does what Scott Summer does because he is: Scott Summers.
I feel part of the problem with Scott is he's the straight man of the series. The often needed part of a series but usually not the most well liked member by the majority of fans (or at least the vocal ones).
I feel part of the problem with Scott is he's the straight man of the series. The often needed part of a series but usually not the most well liked member by the majority of fans (or at least the vocal ones).
I think that's a great statement.
Scott's a plain guy of the X-men franchise. He has believable characterisation, but no really exaggerated character traits. He's relatable, but he falls short in the power fantasy department.
He's kinda like early Hal Jordan or later and more matured version of Guy Gardner. People who like fictional characters being just people, will like him. For anyone else he's probably a jerk fun police type of guy.
Not to me. It's a sloppy retcon. Coat a bone claw with metal and it looks like... a bone claw coated with metal, not a razor-sharp, edged Ginsu knife.
When he first appeared, the claws were drawn like, well, claws. The "Ginsu knife" interpretation seems to stem from the first Wolverine miniseries, the one in Japan where they also came up with the interpretation of Logan-as-ronin. The exact look (and length - sometimes they've been drawn as markedly longer than his forearms) has varied from artist to artist.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Logan as drawn by Byrne had claws nothing like set of knives, they were merely polished and metallic:
Kinda closer in look to his bone claws, except less irregular.
And that's after his Japanese voyage.
Herb Trimpe did create Wolverine's look and certainly had no knives in mind:
But some artists were also drawing his metallic skeleton in a pretty robotic fashion, while others were drawing it like an actual human skeleton, so it all differs from artist to artist.
Still don't know how his skeleton and limbs were supposed to stay together after all soft tissue was removed. It should be perfectly possible to not only blow him to pieces with explosives, but also to tear his limbs out by any superhumanly strong opponent. It did happen, in the Ultimate 'verse, but should be happening far more often.
I can buy into Logan regenerating out of his skeleton since brain and bone marrow are safely enclosed in an adamantium casing, but bone marrow does not hold bones together.
Also, probably the most humiliating thing even done to Logan:
"Razor-sharp", as stated in the comic you posted, strongly implies a sharp edge, as razors are not known for their sharp tips/points.
Regarding the skeletal questions, those are not as difficult to answer. My understanding was that the adamantium plating process did not remove the connective tissues between the bones (ligaments), or the attachment points of the muscles (tendons). Without both, the skeleton would not function as designed. As such, you are correct, he should be able to be blown or pulled apart rather easily. The Hulk did, in fact, rip him in two, but it was made to seem like a monumental exertion, when it shouldn't have been. The spine should still have had normal weak spots at the intervertebral discs. Plating those would have in effect fused the spine, severely limiting his flexibility making it impossible for him to turn his head or twist/flex/extend his torso, which it clearly did not. His spine should, therefore, be relatively easy to damage or sever at those points.
Regarding regenerating from his bones, that could somewhat be explained, as there are exit points on the bones at the spaces where ligaments and tendons would attach (not plated, as stated above). The marrow cells (or even osteoblasts), though specialized, still contain the entire DNA sequence required for regeneration. The question would be, how would the tissues know how to reform the entire organism, and why would there be wrinkles and normal aging after regeneration, as the tissues would be new and not aged as before.
Lizards can regenerate new limbs or tails after injury, but those are grown from residual tail/limb cells with memory, not specialized marrow cells. But trying to offer in-depth, accurate explanations for comic book physics is typically a waste of time.
Thing is though Summers and Logan are seen as annoying because they are written to be annoying. If they were not annoying then they wouldnt have any point. Heck Logan was thought up to annoy the Hulk.
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Well, I find it a bit unbelievable that Punisher could ever win over Logan.
But it just goes to show, artists do what artist think looks good.
Castle was the first (if not the only one) guy who did manage to hit Peter Parker with a regular handgun, so it's not a humiliation to be defeated by him. He's as OP as normal human can be.
But Wolverine actually has a rather weak powerset. He's only a bit stronger than normal human and only a bit faster. And only his skeleton counts as armor. And he feels pain as anyone else.
Prety ****ty powerset to pick at a someone who's really good with guns.
Of course Logan did not want to kill or maim Castle, they weren't seriously fighting in this issue. They're actually pretty good buddies. Logan and Deadpool are pretty much the only "heroes" in the Marvel Universe who have absolutely no problems with Castle. Even Ghost Rider thinks that Punisher is unhinged.
That's what psychopats like these two do when they have different opinions. Normal people discuss things. Guys like Frank and Logan are shooting and stabbing each other. :biggrin:
Thing is though Summers and Logan are seen as annoying because they are written to be annoying. If they were not annoying then they wouldnt have any point. Heck Logan was thought up to annoy the Hulk.
Except Scott isn't even annoying or offensive to anyone. His acting is average, he's not really disrespectful, he might be a bit too stiff, but that's all about him.
And then he's badmouthed by a serial murderer with a set of built-in knives who's also working as a shady mercenary from time to time... But characters in-universe accept that Logan is a better role model for children at the school than Summers. *facepalm*
Also, how dense Logan had to be to repeatedly try killing Magneto in a hand-to-hand combat, each time still having his metallic skeleton?
Not even Punisher has this kind of deathwish. That's not even heroic, that's obvious that he couldn't be even a distraction for Erik.
And then he's badmouthed by a serial murderer with a set of built-in knives who's also working as a shady mercenary from time to time... But characters in-universe accept that Logan is a better role model for children at the school than Summers. *facepalm*
But he's cool because he's badass!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Okay, I'm not going to ever argue that Wolverine as he's been depicted for the last ten years or so at least in the comics, is a very good character. He isn't, he's almost ruined now.
But there was a time when he was, and it wasn't about his power [not really], or how "bad-****" he was, it was about his humanity. The movies have had some echoes of his better version, some more than others. X-men 3 was pretty much terrible period.
At one time, Wolverine's story was about a man with a super power and horrific mind-screw past that feared himself an animal. He knew he was trained to kill, perhaps even molded to be a killer, and excelled at it, but he feared for the implications of what that meant.
That's not to say he wasn't a pragmatic man. He would kill to save an innocent and not feel particularly guilty about making that call, It was more that he reasonably understood deep down that killing is wrong, and he didn't want to turn into a mad animal who would kill easily, not ever feel any guilt about it, become a monster.
He wasn't afraid to kill, he was afraid to become a monstrous murderer who would kill without guilt, and since he had killed and would kill to protect others, he was constantly on edge internally about where he was drawing the line. And he kept it to himself, far to proud to ever just tell anyone what was going on inside of his mind. Most often he limited himself to only killing those he already knew were killers themselves.
It's probably why he became so attracted to Jean Grey, at some point, at some level, he must have realized that she had a better understanding of him than anyone else ever had, and wasn't repulsed by him, perhaps even saw some nobility in his struggle.
When writers stopped exploring this internal struggle and focused only on his powers and "bad-****" attitude, making him "Too cool for school" pretty much literally, he became a joke.
"I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain't very pretty."
Marketing comics and movies, apparently. :rolleyes:
At one time, Wolverine's story was about a man with a super power and horrific mind-screw past that feared himself an animal. He knew he was trained to kill, perhaps even molded to be a killer, and excelled at it, but he feared for the implications of what that meant.
That's not to say he wasn't a pragmatic man. He would kill to save an innocent and not feel particularly guilty about making that call, It was more that he reasonably understood deep down that killing is wrong, and he didn't want to turn into a mad animal who would kill easily, not ever feel any guilt about it, become a monster.
He wasn't afraid to kill, he was afraid to become a monstrous murderer who would kill without guilt, and since he had killed and would kill to protect others, he was constantly on edge internally about where he was drawing the line. And he kept it to himself, far to proud to ever just tell anyone what was going on inside of his mind.
That's what the quote I cited earlier was about. Sure, what appeared in the woods that day was literally a demon from Hell - but what bothered Logan about it in that issue was that after a decade of trying to control that animal inside him, it just came naturally to slice and dice. And in the moment, he enjoyed it, and that horrified him. An interesting, layered character.
Fast-forward to, well, pretty much any story since the mid-'90s, and he's become exactly what he always feared he would, and everyone is okay with this. The only people who dare say anything against the idea of julienning everything that looks at Wolvie sideways are always portrayed as borderline- (or even full-on-) psychotic anti-mutant bigots. Add that to his ludicrous power levels of late, and you've got a perfect example of a Mary Sue.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
That's what the quote I cited earlier was about. Sure, what appeared in the woods that day was literally a demon from Hell - but what bothered Logan about it in that issue was that after a decade of trying to control that animal inside him, it just came naturally to slice and dice. And in the moment, he enjoyed it, and that horrified him. An interesting, layered character.
Fast-forward to, well, pretty much any story since the mid-'90s, and he's become exactly what he always feared he would, and everyone is okay with this. The only people who dare say anything against the idea of julienning everything that looks at Wolvie sideways are always portrayed as borderline- (or even full-on-) psychotic anti-mutant bigots. Add that to his ludicrous power levels of late, and you've got a perfect example of a Mary Sue.
Exactly. It isn't the character's fault exactly, it's bad writing and editing, although at some point in time the bad has gone on so long and the good been missing, that it's hard to even remember how he used to be.
Castle was the first (if not the only one) guy who did manage to hit Peter Parker with a regular handgun, so it's not a humiliation to be defeated by him. He's as OP as normal human can be.
But Wolverine actually has a rather weak powerset. He's only a bit stronger than normal human and only a bit faster. And only his skeleton counts as armor. And he feels pain as anyone else.
Prety ****ty powerset to pick at a someone who's really good with guns.
You're right. I guess I just thought of Logan being much better fighter, but really, he's likely on Punisher/Batman level so all he would have is his invulnerable skeleton and healing factor in his favor if he wasn't willing to do a bit more stabbing.
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Its fiction though and to be fair she kicked his **** later. Its more like that movie War of The Roses. They beat each other up.
He slapped her, it upset her yes, the shock that he did it knocked her back a bit yes, but he didnt slap her around. Its impossible for a slap to do The Wasp physical harm.
Its like when Lois Lane slaps everyone yet no one hates her for that U__U"
Also Batman fights Catwoman often no one freaks out as most people know Cats is slightly more superhuman than Bats. She touched a lotta stuff she shouldn't have touched ended up with some cat "curse" that boosts her strength and speed Wildcat broke his hands sparing with her afterwards no one hates Wildcat either.
The Pym hate is silly.
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By Jim Shooter:
http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/03/hank-pym-was-not-wife-beater.html
But it happened due to, well, the artists should be smashed for this one.
Anyway, Ant-Man movie will not be about Henry Pym, but about Scott Lang:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Scott_Lang_(Earth-616)
http://marvel.com/antman#story
And can everyone promptly forget what the timeline number is?
I'm so tired of his schtick. (And his snickt, but that's another rant.)
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Thank you. Ive been saying for years it was a slap that got drawn wrong my poor english I find it hard to google ( takes me long enough to post here :I )
I dont normally do this and take no offense to this but can you shut up please :I
#justiceforlogan
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Thing is... Logan is precisely one of the few mutants Marvel wants so badly in MCU.
He's the one with a really big chance of having an Inhuman Knock-off on Earth-616. :rolleyes:
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GOTG is the best Marvel movie so far.
Not a single character in this movie comes bad and not a moment of it is boring.
"What are you doing?"
"Dance-off bro, you and me!"
"WHAT. ARE. YOU. DOING!?"
I was expecting everything, but not handling a final fight this way.
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You know, I suspect the movie was a success BECAUSE the comic series was so under the radar compared to much of the Marvel comics. They could afford be risky as there were less pre-conceived notions from the audience of what expect.
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But it actually matches the comic book in crazyness. This GOTG setup is all kinds of crazy.
I don't know. The movie poster has the tag line "You're welcome". It looked like the main aim was towards the comic book crowd that already knows who the GotG are and attempting to blow their minds letting them know that a movie adaption is being made; something no one would have expected to ever happen. Its loose association with the previous MCU films certainly would have helped draw the general audience.
I was actually shocked to see Marvel dig into their lesser known comics to find something interesting to make into a movie . Big companies dont normally do that. I was overjoyed it was Rocket they where bringing to the big screen I've always liked that overly violent goofball.
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Though turning mutants into Inhumans just to screw over FOX? Have they not tried just buying the rights back? Disney has enough money, I would think it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to do.
But what about the lawyers? Will somebody think of the poor lawyers.
If they are not being paid insane amounts to find dumbass loopholes how on Earth will they buy their mansions ?
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It's tired, and tiresome.
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They actually had a really well written issue of Wolverine where they poked fun at Wolverine being on so many teams. They had a couple of pages where it ran through the weeks of Wolverine, Mon-fighting with the Avengers, Tues: X-Men, Wed: X-Force, etc etc.
Plus, he didnt live at Avengers tower, and if you actually read X-Men and Avengers at the time, you would know that he was not included in many stories and issues because he was with the other teams. They would even tie in things like when Norman Osborn attacked Utopia with the Dark Avengers, Wolverine left the Avengers to go help them.
So it was indeed written better then people give it credit for, but since it is popular to hate, they do. Though the coming back from the dead in Civil War, well i am happy that is over, though I liked the concept of him fighting a spirit of death to comeback. Hell he (Wolverine) even said himself he was coming back from injuries that should have killed him.
I know who invented Deadpool and I know he only got better when others got a hold of him, but they then went to far.
Like many writers/editors often do. They get into the next step of "What can I do that's even bigger, better and/or more extreme than everything before?"
Like Wolverine coming back from just his skeleton
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Edit: Personally, I have no hate for Wolverine. I'm just selective with my memory. I liked the relationship he had with Carol Danvers and consequently, the relationship he developed with Rogue, neither of which involved shipping initially (gasp). Kind of like how he handled Jubilee, initally. Then, I slammed the mag shut, covered my ears and said, 'La, la, la: stopped reading. La, la, la: Logan doesn't have bone claws. La, la, la...'
Though doing some reading, it looks like the plan is to move X-Men onto another world.
I think they're screwing with their comic fans just to try and fail to get movie rights back.
Yup. Tradition aside, X-titles were always out of sync with the rest of Earth-616. In a world full of metahumans for some reason mutants were persecuted. If this was at least general stance against all supers, this would have some sense, but it wasn't the case.
Storywise X-continuity really belongs more to the world where mutants are pretty much only metahumans.
Now that that's out if the way, let's talk about Wolverine.
My reasons of disliking him are twofold. First off, when a character becomes too powerful or unkillable, they become boring. You know that he's gonna be the one to save the day. Crappy fanboy writers are the cause. And then people like him because he's so cool and literally edgy, and that brings me to point two...
Oversaturation. I don't mind that the guy is in a dozen different books or movies, but all of the movies put him in the forefront. They should have called all the movies Wolverine and the X-Men. Other characters get pushed aside or killed off because it serves to put Eolverine more in the spotlight. Again, it's fanboy writers and pandering to the edgy-lovers and it harms all the other characters and story in the process.
I won't watch another X-Men movie until they're made by Marvel.
PS- whenever I talk about the Days of Future Past movie, I always call it Wolverine: Days of Future Past and to date, either no one gets the joke or they don't notice it because that's what it may as well have been called.
Wolverine sucks.
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Scott Summers did, and sacrificed, more for the mutant cause than Logan ever did.
He saved the entire species, for the very least.
And then he became a media celebrity which was even more successful for the cause.
All this while being constantly badmouthed and given no respect from loud people with less achievements, like Logan and Ororo.
All Logan ever did was a grunt's work.
If not people's love for edgelords, Wolverine wouldn't be even popular.
And his Mary Sue plot armor isn't even disguised. Wolverine is a terrible person, pretty much like Frank Castle or Deadpool, but Wade and Castle are at least universally disliked in-universe, while writers are making Logan worshipped.
This version though...
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The thing about Nitro though, is that he has an absurdly powerful superpower and the writers did a fine job of making him near-impossible to kill. What better than to throw someone who could recover from explosions the size of a mini-nuke quickly enough at the guy?
Also everyone else at the time seemed to be too caught up with the Registration Act to go after a nuke on two legs running around freely after like, levelling several city blocks and an elementary school full of children. The rest of the X-men seemed content with staying disconnected from everything going on because they declared themselves neutral while Logan was the only one among them to have the initiative to go after the guy.
Not really trying to defend the character nor argue that he's a Mary Sue boring immortal type, I'm just in the opinion that he does have some redeeming factors about him.
Scott Summers doesn't do what Scott Summers does for Scott Summers...
...Scott Summers does what Scott Summer does because he is: Scott Summers.
Probably why he's misunderstood. : )
I think that's a great statement.
Scott's a plain guy of the X-men franchise. He has believable characterisation, but no really exaggerated character traits. He's relatable, but he falls short in the power fantasy department.
He's kinda like early Hal Jordan or later and more matured version of Guy Gardner. People who like fictional characters being just people, will like him. For anyone else he's probably a jerk fun police type of guy.
Not to me. It's a sloppy retcon. Coat a bone claw with metal and it looks like... a bone claw coated with metal, not a razor-sharp, edged Ginsu knife.
On that, I just thought crappy art! I always wondered why they made them look all knotted and not just like talons.
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Logan as drawn by Byrne had claws nothing like set of knives, they were merely polished and metallic:
Kinda closer in look to his bone claws, except less irregular.
And that's after his Japanese voyage.
Herb Trimpe did create Wolverine's look and certainly had no knives in mind:
But some artists were also drawing his metallic skeleton in a pretty robotic fashion, while others were drawing it like an actual human skeleton, so it all differs from artist to artist.
Still don't know how his skeleton and limbs were supposed to stay together after all soft tissue was removed. It should be perfectly possible to not only blow him to pieces with explosives, but also to tear his limbs out by any superhumanly strong opponent. It did happen, in the Ultimate 'verse, but should be happening far more often.
I can buy into Logan regenerating out of his skeleton since brain and bone marrow are safely enclosed in an adamantium casing, but bone marrow does not hold bones together.
Also, probably the most humiliating thing even done to Logan:
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But it just goes to show, artists do what artist think looks good.
Regarding the skeletal questions, those are not as difficult to answer. My understanding was that the adamantium plating process did not remove the connective tissues between the bones (ligaments), or the attachment points of the muscles (tendons). Without both, the skeleton would not function as designed. As such, you are correct, he should be able to be blown or pulled apart rather easily. The Hulk did, in fact, rip him in two, but it was made to seem like a monumental exertion, when it shouldn't have been. The spine should still have had normal weak spots at the intervertebral discs. Plating those would have in effect fused the spine, severely limiting his flexibility making it impossible for him to turn his head or twist/flex/extend his torso, which it clearly did not. His spine should, therefore, be relatively easy to damage or sever at those points.
Regarding regenerating from his bones, that could somewhat be explained, as there are exit points on the bones at the spaces where ligaments and tendons would attach (not plated, as stated above). The marrow cells (or even osteoblasts), though specialized, still contain the entire DNA sequence required for regeneration. The question would be, how would the tissues know how to reform the entire organism, and why would there be wrinkles and normal aging after regeneration, as the tissues would be new and not aged as before.
Lizards can regenerate new limbs or tails after injury, but those are grown from residual tail/limb cells with memory, not specialized marrow cells. But trying to offer in-depth, accurate explanations for comic book physics is typically a waste of time.
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Castle was the first (if not the only one) guy who did manage to hit Peter Parker with a regular handgun, so it's not a humiliation to be defeated by him. He's as OP as normal human can be.
But Wolverine actually has a rather weak powerset. He's only a bit stronger than normal human and only a bit faster. And only his skeleton counts as armor. And he feels pain as anyone else.
Prety ****ty powerset to pick at a someone who's really good with guns.
Of course Logan did not want to kill or maim Castle, they weren't seriously fighting in this issue. They're actually pretty good buddies. Logan and Deadpool are pretty much the only "heroes" in the Marvel Universe who have absolutely no problems with Castle. Even Ghost Rider thinks that Punisher is unhinged.
That's what psychopats like these two do when they have different opinions. Normal people discuss things. Guys like Frank and Logan are shooting and stabbing each other. :biggrin:
Except Scott isn't even annoying or offensive to anyone. His acting is average, he's not really disrespectful, he might be a bit too stiff, but that's all about him.
And then he's badmouthed by a serial murderer with a set of built-in knives who's also working as a shady mercenary from time to time... But characters in-universe accept that Logan is a better role model for children at the school than Summers. *facepalm*
Also, how dense Logan had to be to repeatedly try killing Magneto in a hand-to-hand combat, each time still having his metallic skeleton?
Not even Punisher has this kind of deathwish. That's not even heroic, that's obvious that he couldn't be even a distraction for Erik.
But he's cool because he's badass!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
But there was a time when he was, and it wasn't about his power [not really], or how "bad-****" he was, it was about his humanity. The movies have had some echoes of his better version, some more than others. X-men 3 was pretty much terrible period.
At one time, Wolverine's story was about a man with a super power and horrific mind-screw past that feared himself an animal. He knew he was trained to kill, perhaps even molded to be a killer, and excelled at it, but he feared for the implications of what that meant.
That's not to say he wasn't a pragmatic man. He would kill to save an innocent and not feel particularly guilty about making that call, It was more that he reasonably understood deep down that killing is wrong, and he didn't want to turn into a mad animal who would kill easily, not ever feel any guilt about it, become a monster.
He wasn't afraid to kill, he was afraid to become a monstrous murderer who would kill without guilt, and since he had killed and would kill to protect others, he was constantly on edge internally about where he was drawing the line. And he kept it to himself, far to proud to ever just tell anyone what was going on inside of his mind. Most often he limited himself to only killing those he already knew were killers themselves.
It's probably why he became so attracted to Jean Grey, at some point, at some level, he must have realized that she had a better understanding of him than anyone else ever had, and wasn't repulsed by him, perhaps even saw some nobility in his struggle.
When writers stopped exploring this internal struggle and focused only on his powers and "bad-****" attitude, making him "Too cool for school" pretty much literally, he became a joke.
"I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain't very pretty."
Marketing comics and movies, apparently. :rolleyes:
Fast-forward to, well, pretty much any story since the mid-'90s, and he's become exactly what he always feared he would, and everyone is okay with this. The only people who dare say anything against the idea of julienning everything that looks at Wolvie sideways are always portrayed as borderline- (or even full-on-) psychotic anti-mutant bigots. Add that to his ludicrous power levels of late, and you've got a perfect example of a Mary Sue.
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Exactly. It isn't the character's fault exactly, it's bad writing and editing, although at some point in time the bad has gone on so long and the good been missing, that it's hard to even remember how he used to be.
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You're right. I guess I just thought of Logan being much better fighter, but really, he's likely on Punisher/Batman level so all he would have is his invulnerable skeleton and healing factor in his favor if he wasn't willing to do a bit more stabbing.
Thats oddly accurate.
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