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jeanpaulvalley
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I have played CO off and on for a few years now, mostly as a subscriber, and I'm just wondering if anything is on the calender for making the game better or releasing new powers or new map areas?
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The boss fight proving Mechanon is one of the biggest knockers around and that fighting in low grav is funny.
we got an AT, which a lot of people have descriptions for. Some of which are positive and polite.
we got some new telepathy powers which, you can make a build which entirely 'nickle and dimes' the mobs to death. (Yes, did it, entirely DoT powers to 40)
we seem to have someone with a sense of style, currently designing vehicles.
yes we aren't getting as much as the other 2 games, at least one of which has 50+ people working on it.
but we are getting stuff.
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Barring a paradigm shift (such as the game being ported to X-Box), the current pace of development is likely the best we can expect for the rest of this game's lifespan.
Last time I checked, CN were around eighty seven people. Now, if out of those 87 only two were assigned to CO, that's a different matter.
While the game is no longer in full maintenance mode, it's rather in a mostly probatory status. Now, whether CO is eventually promoted to the B-list or goes back to maintenance is yet to be seen.
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Ohhh? Nice!
*jumps around excited*
I envision a spaceship in a lockbox... woohoo!
(genuine excitement, not sarcasm)
where did you see that, we've only been told 12.
here's the original article:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/193707/QA_With_Neverwinter_inbound_Cryptic_founds_Seattle_studio.php
on the other hand, STO bragged in 2013/2014 of having 50 devs. and that's the favoured game, so I doubt the numbers.
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Foxy could be confusing Cryptic North with Cryptic Proper.
My thoughts are in line with this.
Long asnwer: Maybe, but probably not.
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Last time I read there are at least 2 more superhero mmos in the market each of them from a famous IP. Wheter we like them or not, they seem to have more success than CO.
The problem in CO has always been management vision rather than shortage of resources. They lost the chance to catch CoX refugees when the time was right. They just released the silver resource cap fix(STO style), which should have been released 2 years ago.
Years ago, executive producers in charge used to take time out his/her schedule to write a couple paragraphs about the game. Nowadays, we get TT or devs to talk to us basically when the concentration of doom threads gets to critical levels.
I haven't played CO since December except for checking the market. When they release something new I will check it out.
Since when does it take the better part of two months to create a costume set containing 2 simple coats, a modified headband and plain gloves?
Since when does it take over a year to create 4 new missions?
It's obvious the devs are doing....something, but that something isn't working on CO, otherwise there would be more to show for it when the devs finally release something
So what I want to know is what are the devs REALLY doing?
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Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
Most probably maybe.
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what the other 2 games have in common, lots of advertising and people working on them.
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Valiance Online, actually. CoT is still something of a pipe dream last I checked.
Last time I used CoX' mission editor, it took me two weeks to write a story arc (with a writing that, as a hack of a writer as I may be, was lots more solid than Steel Crusade if I can say so myself)... add perhaps three weeks to that for brainstorming. The models for the spider mob, the costume parts, and Mechanon, shouldn't take longer than a month, and that using a single person to do them.
So yeah, I'll go and say it. Even if the amount of people in charge of CO was doubled (after all, 2 is still two times one), we got trolled.
Jack trolled us.
While I still don't regret my investment in this game (provided no terrible news come this Q1), I'll have to acknowledge my trust was misplaced.
Sure, took you that long once all the assets you used were already created for you. You didn't have to build any models, texture them, animate them if necessary, balance difficulty, create new costume pieces and texture them, model new vehicles, set up cutscenes, none of that.
What you did is hardly comparable to what they do.
I've used the Neverwinter Foundry and it does take a long time to set up something that looks nice, with good story and mobs that aren't just plucked from the default NPCs, but all I'm doing is rearranging pieces that are given to me. It's hardly the same as real game development.
CoX took six years to see the light, so it's not an unreasonable amount of time they're taking yet... however, switching their choice on graphic engines twice in two years is a big red flag regarding the quality of their leadership. I just hope the game doesn't fall in development hell like Duke Nukem Forever did
City of Titans had exactly one engine change, from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 4, very early in their development. Epic encouraged them to upgrade, and assisted them with it, because MWM were using their Kickstarter funds to acquire developer licenses for UE, and Epic didn't want them buying UE3 licenses when UE4 was going to launch in the next quarter. (MWM's Kickstarter ended in November 2013, and Epic approached them in December 2013. They were under an NDA until Epic publicly announced UE4 in March 2014, but the conversion work was already happening behind the scenes.)
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And Biff even left out a bunch of stuff.
People need to stop minimizing how much work game development is.
Hey... how long ago was it where we were saying "Oh look, new content, how long before people start complaining there hasn't been any new content in a while". Feels like last week.
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It's actually been a couple of months at least.
THEY REMOVED THE (#@*@^ RESTRICTIONS ON THE CHARACTER CREATOR FROM NEW PLAYERS!
So, yeah, they seem to want to do at least something to keep this game going.
And it seems to be growing a bit, just in a different demographic.
I've been working weird hours the past few months, meaning that I log in and play at just about any random time of day or night. And the server population is many times higher at around midnight to 6 AM compared to traditional "Prime Time". Heck, yesterday at about 3 AM it felt like the Good Ol' Days, with actual CROWDS around Defender, Drifter, and in the V.I.P. Room.
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they removed an arbitrary restriction that was added about a year after F2P launched.
^ Do more then touching up the game then we be impressed some more. o.3.o
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
It's when the forums go quiet that there might be an issue. Might be. Maybe.
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You know, one thing that might be worth considering? Have a dev sit down and do this sort of content - make new missions that re-use existing models, maps, enemy types, etcetera. Focus especially on the early game, providing alternate options for low level characters. Yeah, it wouldn't have the wow factor of the mechanon missions, but that's okay; not everything needs to be all-new super-awesome shiny stuff.
I'm not sure that's the key performance indicator. Unhappiness in the forum doesn't generate revenue, e.g I still visit the forum regularly but have only logged into the game a couple of times in 2015.
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I could get behind this as long as it doesn't turn out to be like the copy-paste Vibora Bay crypts.
Which I find curious considering that the area of Florida it's in is near the Louisiana border, a state you may recall has difficulty digging anything underground because of the water level. A lot of those crypts should be at least partly flooded.
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I could get behind that really. I honestly think the new development philosophy has been one of "frequent small updates" over big expansions.
I'd certainly like to see things pick up steam though. Even if we got one 2-4 mission arc ever few months or so. Three things I'd like to see that might help.
- Remove the level restrictions on the "Help a Citizen" missions. Plus make them more frequently found. They should scale to the players level esp. for higher level players.
- Allow players the ability to replay content they've already run.
- Update mission rewards to include more useful mods and gear. I.E. make them more desirable to run.
None of these ideas require new content to be created. They just leverage the existing content so that it's more appealing to players.
This is why I'm not too excited by the concept. I have trouble getting hype about "new" content that is really just reskinned old content.... especially if, in this case, it wouldn't even be reskinned.
Some people are okay with something just being chronologically new... I only get excited for things that are mechanically new. Just because my ex-girlfriend dyed her hair blonde doesn't mean we're going to have a new "honeymoon" period when we date again.... though I understand that some people just can't stand being alone so they get excited by the concept of dating literally anyone, even if it's the same person they were complaining about last year with a different hair color.
If I want to run down hallway A while killing enemy X... I'll just go to the one we have now, and the devs can spend their time fixing bugs and making stuff that is actually new in a compelling way.
But it should be. It's sort of insulting our intelligence to throw the same stuff at us over and over again and expect us to get excited about it.
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I never said it generated revenue.
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Strongly disagree, here. You're welcome to not get excited about such content, but there are some of us who, y'know, actually read the mission text and care about plot and telling a story, even if that story involves foes we've seen before.
If all you care about is numbers and game mechanics, that's fine, it's not a wrong way to play... but it's for sure not the way I play, and you should not be implying that it's the only way to play.
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You and your pay to win Canadian-ness. Oh, and you only want that DW nerf cuz you are a Gold member out to keep Silvers down.
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Content coming out compared to last year has been remotely the same. Last year's stuff (Rampage revamp and Foxbat) has been unfinished stuff that has a bit more added or reworked to make it playable. No doubt this year, since they already developed some space stuff, they can get momentum to keep adding to that with content that hopefully takes longer to complete than an hour.
We are getting content. I just hope its intuitive (as new content ought to be) and it has rewards worth getting more than once.
A dedicated dev to adding varied missions throughout the game to fill up space would be a plus. If there was more content outside of Millennium City, players would go there. The numbers show people favoring Millennium City because content is being added there exclusively. As it is they are hiring more staff for Cryptic North. Its growing and hopefully we'll be allowed to have the luxury of devs that can focus exclusively on content.
They could maybe hire Champions PnP writers and game designers and train them in the Cryptic Engine. =b