all I'm saying is, if we do get tights? They better not be bump mapped. I'm sick of patterns that I can't change the texture on, which only work with themselves.
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all I'm saying is, if we do get tights? They better not be bump mapped. I'm sick of patterns that I can't change the texture on, which only work with themselves.
Yup. It's kinda letdown for few Z-store tights packs that many of them has normalmaps and diffuse maps linked together.
Truth be told, we need more of this. Especially when it comes to the textures and such. Tights doesn't even have to be just boring old tights.
I'd personally like to also see more skin patterns as well.
Agreed. Tights are essential for the genre even if they are partially covered with bulkier items. There were a few tights only entries for the competition, including one of mine but they went with mainly flashier choices, although the holo armour was close to one of my concepts, so I am happy either way.
all I'm saying is, if we do get tights? They better not be bump mapped. I'm sick of patterns that I can't change the texture on, which only work with themselves.
Yup. It's kinda letdown for few Z-store tights packs that many of them has normalmaps and diffuse maps linked together.
Agreed. Tights more than most pieces lend themselves to a range of OPTIONAL textures and bump mapping. Personally I would like even more options than we currently have and for all tights to have the full range.
I got busy recently so I still need to re-read the whole submission thread. Didn't submit anything since outside of a lack of art skill, I had more individual piece ideas than full sets. Kinda surprised spordella didn't make the finalists but my hope is that since the suggestions have been out there a while, there's a chance something like them just might be in the pipeline. I am rather intrigued by the choices that did make the top 5. I think the primary ways I look at them is in their worth in three ways. How useful is the base concept? How useful do individual parts seem to players? How useful do individual parts seem to devs?
Variable Armor: Despite being inspired by a certain other popular robot series, the parts offer a lot of options for various power armor heroes & villains. Or perhaps for characters with a single bionic part. It really is a good grab bag despite being one cohesive set.
Cosmic Knight: Snap judgement might make it seem like "just" tights but the assortment of options allow it to fill a needed niche of cosmic heroes. Suggestions made seem to explicitly have mix and match in mind due to the way the lines on the tights are designed.
Steel Arachnid: As is, seems a bit more limited than some of the others. However, the top parts may work well for semi villainous parts or for sprucing up some of the existing villain groups like DEMON. Or it can still work for heroes if they lean towards a mildly magical theme and like spikes. Works well as a homage to Arachnos or the revamped Circle of Thorns.
Holo Armor: Compliments the current glowy pieces. Leans more to the tech side but can be used for magic or more generic power due to some of the parts. Still has tights and other options for variety.
Urban Anime: It's the one winner whose base idea seems the least interesting and compatible with the game. It also seems the most similar to a niche filled by a currently existing costume set. I'd rather see the two current anime sets get expanded to include both genders and maybe just be more versatile overall than see this. All that said, parts of this still have use. The boots and pants have plenty of use for street level heroes. The glove things make good options for magical heroes of the jazz hands/spirit fingers variety. And belts are always useful. Biggest weakness is the hoodie since the idea of an urban anime hero would be better served by one of those jackets with belts everywhere.
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all I'm saying is, if we do get tights? They better not be bump mapped. I'm sick of patterns that I can't change the texture on, which only work with themselves.
They got it right once. The set came with option to add bumpmaps. And then they went wrong again, if i remember right.
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Except that it was established a long time ago that the changed lower torsos would require a massive undertaking that just flat-out could not be done.
Considering that -every- fantasy MMO has had centaurs as a race (albeit villainous), but never for players, is an injustice that needed to be addressed. Maybe Cryptic might get a message and decide to put centaurs in NWN (which is based off D&D, and it has them). After all, we -can- play other fantasy-styled races in Champions...
To let you know what this would take, think about how Martial Arts would have to work. A lot of powers. It would essentially require new animations codes for every different type of legs.
Actually not the best analogy. Martial Arts (especially mainsteam) have similar movements, punches, kicks, and blocks. Now, if you went older, ie Wui Wing Chun, Moo-Gi-Gong, etc, then yes the arts variate. But Tai Kwan Do, Moo Duk Kwan... almost exactly the same.
So, if you're holding out for Centaurs, you might want to fire up one of those 2 MMORPG's, because it's unlikely to happen in this one, ever. They can't even get the code for ground vehicles to work.
One is dead (due to their lack of reading the way MMOs should go to be successful), and the other is dying (same as the other). I just want -one- MMO that would actually bring in something that, aside from two MMOs, has not been done (and before you say "because coding," read the first respones). Heck, even just bringing Genies into the realm of PC customization would have been nice, and they -are- already in CO.
Not to mention, complaining about 'another set of tights/armor' in a Superhero MMORPG is like going to McDonald's and whining about all the different kinds of hamburgers.
Hmm, did Blade, The Spirit, The Shadow, Green Hornet, The Question, Cable, The Punisher, and etc get this memo? (That was just off the top of my head).
Hmm, did Blade, The Spirit, The Shadow, Green Hornet, The Question, Cable, The Punisher, and etc get this memo? (That was just off the top of my head).
The Punisher wore tights:
This is actually his first and original costume. A set of black tights with white belt, boots and gloves.
Cable's also a tights-wearer, just with pouches on top of it.
Actually not the best analogy. Martial Arts (especially mainsteam) have similar movements, punches, kicks, and blocks. Now, if you went older, ie Wui Wing Chun, Moo-Gi-Gong, etc, then yes the arts variate. But Tai Kwan Do, Moo Duk Kwan... almost exactly the same.
Okay, what I'm trying to say is this: Log into the game. Play something, anything, and go through power animations. Now, tell me how this is going to work with a horse/spider/octopus/snake lower torso.
And once you tell me that we would need entirely new animations, I'll redirect you to these forums where you can see how many people would rather see animations to accommodate animal lower-torsos, versus other things. And yes, it's versus. Developers have a limited time and budget, and I'd rather see those things moved to NW, and the developers for CO actually focus on making things with a wider appeal (and fixing things that need to be broken, adding new powersets, etc.).
One is dead (due to their lack of reading the way MMOs should go to be successful), and the other is dying (same as the other). I just want -one- MMO that would actually bring in something that, aside from two MMOs, has not been done (and before you say "because coding," read the first respones). Heck, even just bringing Genies into the realm of PC customization would have been nice, and they -are- already in CO.
No, it's because of coding. NPC animations =/= player character animations. A player character would be required to do much, much more than one such NPC. The NPC is limited in the scope of his animations, the player not so much- so to make a player have such a lower body it would require the animal torso to have an animation for every movement a player makes, which is a massive undertaking that won't happen in CO any time soon- and if it does, you'll see a ridiculous amount of nerd-rage because there are way too many other things that the game needs (in terms of demand and repair) to focus on accommodating a small group's taste in fantasy creatures... where there are tons of other fantasy games on the market.
If you want a genie, I highly suggest you look into what Djinn looked like, and then perhaps consider purchasing tornado flight.
Hmm, did Blade, The Spirit, The Shadow, Green Hornet, The Question, Cable, The Punisher, and etc get this memo? (That was just off the top of my head).
I believe Meeda's addressed this. Are you suggesting fedoras, ties, and trenchcoats have been neglected? We got those.
Hmm, did Blade, The Spirit, The Shadow, Green Hornet, The Question, Cable, The Punisher, and etc get this memo? (That was just off the top of my head).
Meeda has already shown that Punisher got the memo.......and so did Cable and Blade.....
Steel Arachnid , Holo and the heavy armor by Meeda it is .... 400 zen farmed so far ( I did like several whiteout Q runs.... I never knew that bosses drop more than Q-box till i completed the whole thing... and by the time I did, I had harvested more Qt than the reward itself :cool: , so its like around 30-40 zen per Whiteout Q run which is pretty good according to me [25 days = ~1000 zen)..... so yeah ... I got the invincible and the savage.... both are really fun, except for my energy management issues with the invincible... which gets fixed after I get overdrive and the savage never dies against a single whiteout boss :rolleyes: and now I want a great PA fixing heavy armor. Hence, vote for Holo and the armor. But I also do want the large wrist blades and spinal cord from steel arachnid... for my savage. Lets wait and see.
with 5 people, you can get 22 Q boxes per run. multi boxes from each boss
as for the arguments about tights. i have one basic problem with them. actually a few
Toilet stops. - Short of velcro, you are NOT going to be getting out of them fast, so no drinking or eating and flying. if you have a stomach problem, best not to go out at all.
If you have hair of your legs or anywhere else the tights are, hope for a VERY tight weave or ouch ooch eech as the hairs get yanked.
in hot weather they are very hot and in cold weather, or worse wind, they don't help unless they are thermal wear.
they catch on things and stretch and when you get a tear it spreads. repair work is difficult.
full body tights- not good for fast dressing or undressing, you can wear them under clothes to start with but removing them fast is a problem. several sections are also a problem because the more active you are, the more they slide and roll up.
as for the arguments about tights. i have one basic problem with them. actually a few
Toilet stops. - Short of velcro, you are NOT going to be getting out of them fast, so no drinking or eating and flying. if you have a stomach problem, best not to go out at all.
If you have hair of your legs or anywhere else the tights are, hope for a VERY tight weave or ouch ooch eech as the hairs get yanked.
in hot weather they are very hot and in cold weather, or worse wind, they don't help unless they are thermal wear.
they catch on things and stretch and when you get a tear it spreads. repair work is difficult.
full body tights- not good for fast dressing or undressing, you can wear them under clothes to start with but removing them fast is a problem. several sections are also a problem because the more active you are, the more they slide and roll up.
Analysing comic books with realism in mind is a fallacy.
Tights are just things of the genre, and why they are here?
It has actually everything to do with drawing and printing techniques when comic book heroes started, and then when were the most popular.
Comic books weren't just drawn for the sake of art. They were mass produced within certain time limits. Very strict limits, and artists weren't the best paid people. In such situation people tends to take every shortcut possible.
It is much easier to draw tights than anything else - just establish anatomy and draw some seam lines, done. Drawing clothes with all folds and details takes more time.
Tights are good frame for simple graphic designs, and you want your desigs simple if the only printing technique available to you is four colors one.
Comic books were medium that was produced as quickly and printed as cheaply, as it was possible. Dressing everyone in tights was one more way to achieve it.
Okay, what I'm trying to say is this: Log into the game. Play something, anything, and go through power animations. Now, tell me how this is going to work with a horse/spider/octopus/snake lower torso.
And once you tell me that we would need entirely new animations, I'll redirect you to these forums where you can see how many people would rather see animations to accommodate animal lower-torsos, versus other things. And yes, it's versus. Developers have a limited time and budget, and I'd rather see those things moved to NW, and the developers for CO actually focus on making things with a wider appeal (and fixing things that need to be broken, adding new powersets, etc.).
No, it's because of coding. NPC animations =/= player character animations. A player character would be required to do much, much more than one such NPC. The NPC is limited in the scope of his animations, the player not so much- so to make a player have such a lower body it would require the animal torso to have an animation for every movement a player makes, which is a massive undertaking that won't happen in CO any time soon- and if it does, you'll see a ridiculous amount of nerd-rage because there are way too many other things that the game needs (in terms of demand and repair) to focus on accommodating a small group's taste in fantasy creatures... where there are tons of other fantasy games on the market.[/QUOTE}
Uhm, obviously you didn't see my submission. I do 3D art and animation... I have MADE centaurs, mermaids, lamia, harpies, etc. They are as easy as humans IMO.
Uhm, obviously you didn't see my submission. I do 3D art and animation... I have MADE centaurs, mermaids, lamia, harpies, etc. They are as easy as humans IMO.
Fallacy. You know absolutely nothing about how the engine for the game works, it's dangerous to say how easy a process will be if you don't know what it entails.
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You had to go back to the old Punisher. That one got redesigned quickly (when Dollf Lungren played him)
cable... shirt and jeans. Not tights.
Blade...Shirt, jacket and jeans or leathers. No tights.
He didn't go back to anything. He posted the classic image of the Punisher that most comic-book fans visualise when someone says "The Punisher". You said they didn't wear tights...sometimes they do. Depends on the writer/artist.
My images of Cable and Blade wearing tights are a lot more recent than the ones you found. However, I see your image of Blade has him wearing leather tights with wrinkles (that's what they would be in CO).
I highly doubt that Cable is wearing faded blue jeans there, looks like tights with wrinkles to me...he's from the future, not 1980's Texas. And there is a jeans pattern in the game under......you guessed it, tights
Don't get confused between the meaning of tights in rl and how we use the term in CO. We use many terms in-game that don't mean the same in other contexts.
You had to go back to the old Punisher. That one got redesigned quickly (when Dollf Lungren played him)
Skull Shirt and pants, not tights.
shirt and jeans. Not tights.
Shirt, jacket and jeans or leathers (considering the movie also). No tights.
Except Frank wore tights even after this movie.
In Eurohit saga, for an example.
Or The Suicide Run story arc.
In fact, he's still drawn that way by some artists.
Cable as well. His latest appearances were more plated tights than anything else.
Aside this one painting of the Frank, you are posting images from late eighties/early nineties. They aren't even computer colored... Cable is Liefield's from the New Mutants run, and the Blade is his old character model issued to comic book artists.
And even then, all three guys are fringe characters. They don't have this level of mainstream that, let's say, Batman or Spiderman have.
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Who's passive-aggressive? I'm plain and openly aggressive.:cool:
People should stop use this "passive-aggressive" trendy slogan, because most of them can't identify passive-aggressiveness properly...
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PS: You are wrong, tights are totally right for the genre, but what we need is more options so we can combine them into something creative.
Truth be told, we need more of this. Especially when it comes to the textures and such. Tights doesn't even have to be just boring old tights.
I'd personally like to also see more skin patterns as well.
RIP Caine
Yup. It's kinda letdown for few Z-store tights packs that many of them has normalmaps and diffuse maps linked together.
Agreed. Tights are essential for the genre even if they are partially covered with bulkier items. There were a few tights only entries for the competition, including one of mine but they went with mainly flashier choices, although the holo armour was close to one of my concepts, so I am happy either way.
Agreed. Tights more than most pieces lend themselves to a range of OPTIONAL textures and bump mapping. Personally I would like even more options than we currently have and for all tights to have the full range.
Variable Armor: Despite being inspired by a certain other popular robot series, the parts offer a lot of options for various power armor heroes & villains. Or perhaps for characters with a single bionic part. It really is a good grab bag despite being one cohesive set.
Cosmic Knight: Snap judgement might make it seem like "just" tights but the assortment of options allow it to fill a needed niche of cosmic heroes. Suggestions made seem to explicitly have mix and match in mind due to the way the lines on the tights are designed.
Steel Arachnid: As is, seems a bit more limited than some of the others. However, the top parts may work well for semi villainous parts or for sprucing up some of the existing villain groups like DEMON. Or it can still work for heroes if they lean towards a mildly magical theme and like spikes. Works well as a homage to Arachnos or the revamped Circle of Thorns.
Holo Armor: Compliments the current glowy pieces. Leans more to the tech side but can be used for magic or more generic power due to some of the parts. Still has tights and other options for variety.
Urban Anime: It's the one winner whose base idea seems the least interesting and compatible with the game. It also seems the most similar to a niche filled by a currently existing costume set. I'd rather see the two current anime sets get expanded to include both genders and maybe just be more versatile overall than see this. All that said, parts of this still have use. The boots and pants have plenty of use for street level heroes. The glove things make good options for magical heroes of the jazz hands/spirit fingers variety. And belts are always useful. Biggest weakness is the hoodie since the idea of an urban anime hero would be better served by one of those jackets with belts everywhere.
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They got it right once. The set came with option to add bumpmaps. And then they went wrong again, if i remember right.
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Considering that -every- fantasy MMO has had centaurs as a race (albeit villainous), but never for players, is an injustice that needed to be addressed. Maybe Cryptic might get a message and decide to put centaurs in NWN (which is based off D&D, and it has them). After all, we -can- play other fantasy-styled races in Champions...
Actually not the best analogy. Martial Arts (especially mainsteam) have similar movements, punches, kicks, and blocks. Now, if you went older, ie Wui Wing Chun, Moo-Gi-Gong, etc, then yes the arts variate. But Tai Kwan Do, Moo Duk Kwan... almost exactly the same.
One is dead (due to their lack of reading the way MMOs should go to be successful), and the other is dying (same as the other). I just want -one- MMO that would actually bring in something that, aside from two MMOs, has not been done (and before you say "because coding," read the first respones). Heck, even just bringing Genies into the realm of PC customization would have been nice, and they -are- already in CO.
Hmm, did Blade, The Spirit, The Shadow, Green Hornet, The Question, Cable, The Punisher, and etc get this memo? (That was just off the top of my head).
Example of Comet Flight: Here.
The Punisher wore tights:
This is actually his first and original costume. A set of black tights with white belt, boots and gloves.
Cable's also a tights-wearer, just with pouches on top of it.
Okay, what I'm trying to say is this: Log into the game. Play something, anything, and go through power animations. Now, tell me how this is going to work with a horse/spider/octopus/snake lower torso.
And once you tell me that we would need entirely new animations, I'll redirect you to these forums where you can see how many people would rather see animations to accommodate animal lower-torsos, versus other things. And yes, it's versus. Developers have a limited time and budget, and I'd rather see those things moved to NW, and the developers for CO actually focus on making things with a wider appeal (and fixing things that need to be broken, adding new powersets, etc.).
No, it's because of coding. NPC animations =/= player character animations. A player character would be required to do much, much more than one such NPC. The NPC is limited in the scope of his animations, the player not so much- so to make a player have such a lower body it would require the animal torso to have an animation for every movement a player makes, which is a massive undertaking that won't happen in CO any time soon- and if it does, you'll see a ridiculous amount of nerd-rage because there are way too many other things that the game needs (in terms of demand and repair) to focus on accommodating a small group's taste in fantasy creatures... where there are tons of other fantasy games on the market.
If you want a genie, I highly suggest you look into what Djinn looked like, and then perhaps consider purchasing tornado flight.
I believe Meeda's addressed this. Are you suggesting fedoras, ties, and trenchcoats have been neglected? We got those.
Meeda has already shown that Punisher got the memo.......and so did Cable and Blade.....
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"Voting for Finalists on ARC and Facebook: 04/25/14 04/28/14
Winners announced: 04/28/14"
I wonder if this means the 28th is a day of voting and they will annouce at end of day or they are gonna call it now?
And no mention of the HMs yet
I went with the tights. Shocking, I know.
with 5 people, you can get 22 Q boxes per run. multi boxes from each boss
as for the arguments about tights. i have one basic problem with them. actually a few
Toilet stops. - Short of velcro, you are NOT going to be getting out of them fast, so no drinking or eating and flying. if you have a stomach problem, best not to go out at all.
If you have hair of your legs or anywhere else the tights are, hope for a VERY tight weave or ouch ooch eech as the hairs get yanked.
in hot weather they are very hot and in cold weather, or worse wind, they don't help unless they are thermal wear.
they catch on things and stretch and when you get a tear it spreads. repair work is difficult.
full body tights- not good for fast dressing or undressing, you can wear them under clothes to start with but removing them fast is a problem. several sections are also a problem because the more active you are, the more they slide and roll up.
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Analysing comic books with realism in mind is a fallacy.
Tights are just things of the genre, and why they are here?
It has actually everything to do with drawing and printing techniques when comic book heroes started, and then when were the most popular.
Comic books weren't just drawn for the sake of art. They were mass produced within certain time limits. Very strict limits, and artists weren't the best paid people. In such situation people tends to take every shortcut possible.
It is much easier to draw tights than anything else - just establish anatomy and draw some seam lines, done. Drawing clothes with all folds and details takes more time.
Tights are good frame for simple graphic designs, and you want your desigs simple if the only printing technique available to you is four colors one.
Comic books were medium that was produced as quickly and printed as cheaply, as it was possible. Dressing everyone in tights was one more way to achieve it.
You had to go back to the old Punisher. That one got redesigned quickly (when Dollf Lungren played him)
Shirt, jacket and jeans or leathers (considering the movie also). No tights.
Example of Comet Flight: Here.
Example of Comet Flight: Here.
Fallacy. You know absolutely nothing about how the engine for the game works, it's dangerous to say how easy a process will be if you don't know what it entails.
RIP Caine
Quick and easy to create the model? Yeah, maybe.
Easy to provide 100's of new animations for various powers, emotes, death animations, etc.? NOT QUICK AND EASY.
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He didn't go back to anything. He posted the classic image of the Punisher that most comic-book fans visualise when someone says "The Punisher". You said they didn't wear tights...sometimes they do. Depends on the writer/artist.
My images of Cable and Blade wearing tights are a lot more recent than the ones you found. However, I see your image of Blade has him wearing leather tights with wrinkles (that's what they would be in CO).
I highly doubt that Cable is wearing faded blue jeans there, looks like tights with wrinkles to me...he's from the future, not 1980's Texas. And there is a jeans pattern in the game under......you guessed it, tights
Don't get confused between the meaning of tights in rl and how we use the term in CO. We use many terms in-game that don't mean the same in other contexts.
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Except Frank wore tights even after this movie.
In Eurohit saga, for an example.
Or The Suicide Run story arc.
In fact, he's still drawn that way by some artists.
Cable as well. His latest appearances were more plated tights than anything else.
Aside this one painting of the Frank, you are posting images from late eighties/early nineties. They aren't even computer colored... Cable is Liefield's from the New Mutants run, and the Blade is his old character model issued to comic book artists.
And even then, all three guys are fringe characters. They don't have this level of mainstream that, let's say, Batman or Spiderman have.