Suggestion about Mind & Radiant - more powers needed!

lunaw78

Let`s start with Mind. I want a resurection power at Mind AT, some power that would have the following name(s): "Mindfull Resurrection" or "Resurrection of Mind"! I mean if the Radiant have the resurection power why Mind AT wouldn`t have that power, since Mind is the oldest Healing AT in this game!

What Radiant should have? More Pets, I mean real pets, not just those Sigils and The Planar Fracture, because even if they are listed as pets they really don`t act like like the Nightmare pets of the Mind!; a healing bubble like Mind have, something called like: "Divine Protection", "Divine Shield" or something like that, that would act the same as the Mind bubble but of course with a completely different animation and appearance!

Because I have spoken of Radiant pets, why Radiant doesn`t have that healing angel that only FFs have? I thought it was normal that Radiant should have that pet, but guess what...? I was completely when I disscovered that Radiand don`t have that awsome pet! It would be a nice addition to Radiant!

These are the powers that I really want added at Mind and Radiant!

Note: Also I want a better resurection at Radiant! Instead of that crapy self-resurection circle, I want an advantage at Divine Renewal called Celestial Reviving:
"The sky knowledged your defeat in battle and will send an angel to revive you from the dead! When you are defeated an angel will appear above your body and will resurect you with 50% of your health!"

nextnametaken

Radiant's power comes from universal life force.
Mind's power comes from the fat cells inside his head.

Why would a mind resurrect?
"I don't believe you are dead. Rise!"

I honestly wish they'd remove resurrect and that damned "Help me I'm down" menace
that only gets noobs ignorde and kicked from teams.

In the year that button has been here I've never seen it used when there's
someone who can resurrect and also wants to or has time to.

You know what, we ALL resurrect by default at a spawn point at any level.
Why make it a high level power when its something every level 1 can do?
Maybe resurrect team on kill should be a first level side effect of the passive.
Then they can add that to the inventor, but the teams come back as zombies, oops.

flamingbunnyman

Then they can add that to the inventor, but the teams come back as zombies, oops.

Sounds good. The rez would give a long duration "buff" (1 hour, maybe?) that functions like a Become Device. Dying would make the buff wear off, or it could be removed early by being hit with a normal rez power.

lunaw78

nextnametaken wrote: »

Radiant's power comes from universal life force.
Mind's power comes from the fat cells inside his head.

Why would a mind resurrect?
"I don't believe you are dead. Rise!"

I honestly wish they'd remove resurrect and that damned "Help me I'm down" menace
that only gets noobs ignorde and kicked from teams.

In the year that button has been here I've never seen it used when there's
someone who can resurrect and also wants to or has time to.

You know what, we ALL resurrect by default at a spawn point at any level.
Why make it a high level power when its something every level 1 can do?
Maybe resurrect team on kill should be a first level side effect of the passive.
Then they can add that to the inventor, but the teams come back as zombies, oops.

"Mind's power comes from the fat cells inside his head."

Actually, Mind`s power comes from the power of Mind over Matter, it doesn`t come from what you said: "the fat cells in your head"! That`s how you prove how intelligent you are, only by saying that!


"I honestly wish they'd remove resurrect..."


WHAT?! RESURECT POWER IS THE BEST NEW POWER THAT PW/CRYPTIC ADDED TO THE GAME! Why they should remove that? And if you ask me, I like verry much the resurect power of the Radiant! That`s why they shouldn`t add simillar power to Mind too!


"...and that damned "Help me I'm down" menace
that only gets noobs ignorde and kicked from teams. "

At least here, you got a valid point! Just like you, I hate the noobies that spam: ""Help me I'm down"! If they don`t see a Radiant in team why they spamm that?! What they expect from the game when they hit the "Call for Help!" button?! Note: If someone hit too many time that button, they get muted in chat for almost 3 minutes!



"In the year that button has been here I've never seen it used when there's
someone who can resurrect and also wants to or has time to."

Yes, that apply only in alerts, because if you are a lvl 35 Radiant and you wish to resurect somebody, you can`t just because 2 things block you from doing that:
1. The player who recover before you can reach the place where he/she died, even if you said at the beggining of the allert that you can resurect!
2. The alert mobs! If you try to resurect somebody and a mob attack you that power is interrupted and you can`t resurect somebody while you are attacked! But I doubt you know that because you don`t have a lvl 35 Radiant! If you had one,you already knew that!


"You know what, we ALL resurrect by default at a spawn point at any level.
Why make it a high level power when its something every level 1 can do?"

Here you really make a BIG CONFUSION between Recover and Resurect! It`s really not the same thing!
Recover means ,as you said, that your character return to life at a respawn point!
Resurect means that you (using resurect devices such as Triumph Pack, Resurect Serum [the one from Silver Recognition] and others) or by somebody else using natural powers (Divine Renewal) or devices (Become Doomlord, Become Celestial or Resurect serum from Nighthawk Belt [Q Store]) at the location where you got defeated!

So... if the Recover uses spawn points to bring your character to life, the Resurection uses powers and devices to bring you back to life at the place where you died!


"Why would a mind resurrect?
"I don't believe you are dead. Rise!""
You prove again how intelligent you are! And if you really want to see how IMO (in my oppinion) Mind could resurect, here is a possibly a description for "Mindfull Resurection"/"Resurection of Mind":

"As mental being, you send telepathic waves to a dead body, to bring the mind and body to life! Using this power will bring the target at 25% health (rank 1)" "At rank 2 you bring the target to 50% health." "At rank 3 you bring the target to 100% health."

chalupaoffury

lunaw78 wrote: »

"Mind's power comes from the fat cells inside his head."

Actually, Mind`s power comes from the power of Mind over Matter, it doesn`t come from what you said: "the fat cells in your head"! That`s how you prove how intelligent you are, only by saying that!

And the mind comes from the brain. Which is fat cells inside your head. Honestly, if you're gonna call someone stupid, at least try not to be wrong.

ajanus

Freeforms don't have these problems :biggrin:

lunaw78

chalupaoffury wrote: »

And the mind comes from the brain. Which is fat cells inside your head. Honestly, if you're gonna call someone stupid, at least try not to be wrong.

The Mind and The Brain are 2 separate things who work as one! Please don`t make a stupid confusion between them!

lunaw78

chalupaoffury wrote: »

And the mind comes from the brain. Which is fat cells inside your head. Honestly, if you're gonna call someone stupid, at least try not to be wrong.

The Mind and The Brain are 2 separate things who work as one! Please don`t make a stupid confusion between them!

lunaw78

ajanus wrote: »

Freeforms don't have these problems :biggrin:

This thread is about the Mind and Radiant ATs not about FFs! :mad:

flamingbunnyman

If they were to make these new powers that you're asking for, and add them to existing ATs (which seems highly unlikely; no new powers that I'm aware of have been added to pre-existing ATs), what powers would you propose to remove to make room for them? And how would you placate the players that like whichever powers get removed better than the new ones? Both ATs already have two levels where they get to choose a power; no current AT gets more than three, so you could only add one additional power to each AT - you've suggested more than one for each, so which one gets added?

lunaw78

flamingbunnyman wrote: »

If they were to make these new powers that you're asking for, and add them to existing ATs (which seems highly unlikely; no new powers that I'm aware of have been added to pre-existing ATs), what powers would you propose to remove to make room for them? And how would you placate the players that like whichever powers get removed better than the new ones? Both ATs already have two levels where they get to choose a power; no current AT gets more than three, so you could only add one additional power to each AT - you've suggested more than one for each, so which one gets added?

Well if I would be a Dev I would put these powers as choices, so people would choose what they want!
Someone in the game said that, ATs sould have the posibility to choose what powers they want from their own AT powerset!
So my question is: why Mind and Radiant AT shouldn`t have more powers from where they can choose?

flamingbunnyman

Then you'd end up with free ATs that have significantly more choices than paid ATs. That's a recipe for angry customers.

If it were my choice, ATs would be built like freeforms, but each would have a pool of 25 or so thematically related powers rather than the full pool. But that isn't how it was done, and now major changes can't be done unless there's sufficient time in the budget for all the extra work.

lunaw78

flamingbunnyman wrote: »

Then you'd end up with free ATs that have significantly more choices than paid ATs. That's a recipe for angry customers.

If it were my choice, ATs would be built like freeforms, but each would have a pool of 25 or so thematically related powers rather than the full pool. But that isn't how it was done, and now major changes can't be done unless there's sufficient time in the budget for all the extra work.

Yea, you ideea is good! I like it! ♥

tdits

That's not quite true. They added the new forms to ATs when they did the Forms update.

klitty

On a similar note, it would be amazing if they added an actual way to resurrect players without the need of a power. Like in STO!

lunaw78

tdits wrote: »

That's not quite true. They added the new forms to ATs when they did the Forms update.

What forms update? You mean that they added the new dmg/healing buffs called: Concentration, Compasion and Focus?

nextnametaken

lunaw78 wrote: »

What they expect from the game when they hit the "Call for Help!" button?!

They expect it to work like Left 4 Dead which requires people to help each other.
Cryptic added the button without adding a default way of helping people for 35 levels.


"You know what, we ALL resurrect by default at a spawn point at any level.
Why make it a high level power when its something every level 1 can do?"

lunaw78 wrote: »

Here you really make a BIG CONFUSION between Recover and Resurect! It`s really not the same thing!
Recover means ,as you said, that your character return to life at a respawn point!

Resurect means that you (using resurect devices such as Triumph Pack, Resurect Serum [the one from Silver Recognition] and others) or by somebody else using natural powers (Divine Renewal) or devices (Become Doomlord, Become Celestial or Resurect serum from Nighthawk Belt [Q Store]) at the location where you got defeated!
So... if the Recover uses spawn points to bring your character to life, the Resurection uses powers and devices to bring you back to life at the place where you died!

BIG FREAKIN DEAL.
The difference between Recovery and Resurrection is
A) being bored the more you do it the more freakin bored your get
running through a boring map of same looking empty hallways or zipping across the map again, ignoring all the evil and crime on your way to get back to where you were, oh boy, that's exciting.

3 Seconds eating dirt is boring and humiliating enough.
Defeat should be treated as just another hold.



"Why would a mind resurrect?
"I don't believe you are dead. Rise!""

lunaw78 wrote: »

You prove again how intelligent you are!

Thank you.

lunaw78 wrote: »

And if you really want to see how IMO (in my oppinion) Mind could resurect, here is a possibly a description for "Mindfull Resurection"/"Resurection of Mind":

I don't want to push my intellect around like some kind of big brain, but let's talk about your spelling. Nah lets not.

lunaw78 wrote: »

"As mental being, you send telepathic waves to a dead body, to bring the mind and body to life! Using this power will bring the target at 25% health (rank 1)" "At rank 2 you bring the target to 50% health." "At rank 3 you bring the target to 100% health."

Right well since you put it in a way with stuff you totally made up from thin air, of course, lets just do that.

I think the Behemoth should revive people.
With the power of his mighty strength he can force life back into a body with an incredible constipated grunt.

Hmm.
Blade and Soldier should resurrect and heal. Why not it works in Secret World?
But this is Champions, we have to infringe further, here we can fight Death itself, dressed
as a native American medicine man, for the lives of our friends.

Inferno should be able to provide the phoenix flame.
Tempest should be able to instill the spark of life.

Resurrection for everyone.
Easter 2014. Only on Champions Online.
Don't be caught dead.

tdits

lunaw78 wrote: »

What forms update? You mean that they added the new dmg/healing buffs called: Concentration, Compasion and Focus?

Yes. They also took that opportunity to rearrange when some of the ATs got which powers. It fixed a lot of stupidity.