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I sure do! Anyone else? This kind of epic move-around-a-lot stuff is exactly what we need more of. Hopefully this alert stays just like the carrier alert did!
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I like it SO far...what I don't like is that I haven't gotten the action figure yet. Everyone else has it but me. EVERYONE IN THE WORLD HAS IT BUT CALIGA!! ARGGHH!!!!
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Hope it sticks around.
I don't know who does Defender's voice but that needs to be utilized more. I like that narration.
... It also reminded me a lot of the Perfect Chaos fight in Sonic Adventure. Seriously, turn on some Crush 40 while you fight the big guy and you will not regret it.
Maybe its just me.
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All other sound is not effective. Feels isolated and empty.
I have seven speakers surround sound and its like an old radio and portable TV with a cop show on.
The cut scenes are distracting and immersion breaking.
There's no dramatic change of sound effects or musical score to go with the cinematic.
Why have it so that cut scenes happen while people are actively playing?
10 people. One can trigger a cut scene it seems.
I like that the subtitles are subtitles and not early 20th century cartoon balloons.
I got bored by the third wave of the robot fighters.
I don't know where everyone went, I guess they died and waited at the respawn?
There's no indication of my team on my minimap.
The first half of it, besides the sound, seemed really really fun actually.
That was a first run and my first play of a character or combat in over 58 days.
The harbinger thing, meh. He's stationary and I take damage as soon as I'm in effective range.
The flying robots get a bit old around that third wave.
Should be different flying robots each wave and it would have been nice if the location changed, like the big bad sea monster actually did some damage instead of wading ominously and peeing in our pond.
I just have three requests:
The Harbinger should never have his health reset. That is so annoying. But its because we didn't have a full team, some players refused to recover and others left because of this. And I had to go back and get a hover disk since the timer ran out and his health reset when I tried to get one. So yes this thing can fail.
The debuff effects of Negative Ions and Elemental Snake really horribly lag out and cut speed, and causes seizures. If there is a way to remove the visual effects on the boss than lag and not being able to look at the screen won't be factors in its real difficulty.
The Until Carrier in the cut scene...can we have one permanently there in zone? That would be awesome to hang out on!
Great job and hope this things stay in the queue list forever.
I can't say I have any issues with the sound like some others have posted. But I do have better than average speakers. YMMV.
I'm not sure I ever saw the Harbinger reset health on my runs on either the PTS or the live. So I guess YMMV here too.
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I've gotten five of them so far. Can't do anything but vendor them.
The final boss is a re-skin of Therakiel, without the unbreakable holds. He's nothing new.
Fight boss, boss goes invulnerable, fight mooks, boss becomes vulnerable, fight boss, repeat until boss is dead.
I liked the story, the graphics were beautiful, and the cut-scenes did an awesome job conveying the story.
The grind is too much for me, sorry, I want to live.
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-It really feels like Lemuria has come to Millennium City! In that the familiar city has become a confusing, visually painful mess of hideous coloration.
-It painfully highlights the issues the game engine has when going between surfacing and diving in water. Namely, it shuts off your travel power, and when you come up out of the water, it stays off momentarily. This can lead to you just dropping right back into the water again, instead of flying off, especially if you are in combat.
-"Exocet Fighters" boss mechanic is dumb. Boss is magically invincible until you kill the fighters, which allows for UNTIL to fire their deus ex machina cannon at it. Supposedly these fighters are attacking the carrier and giving them trouble...except they're not. They just fly around a lot, and make themselves hard to kill for anyone who isn't in a vehicle. In fact, when they aggroed me, instead of attacking, they just flew away from me as I tried to catch up with them. I don't use a vehicle. I don't want to. I don't think I should have to use one to participate.
-No sense of direction throughout. Hard to keep track of the team, and where objectives are. Random cutscenes pop up just from one person passing through their trigger area.
Yet another piece of lame content that's just an obvious vehicle (har har) for selling vehicles. Off I go back to hiatus, lemme know when you guys actually wanna continue with that whole super hero MMO thing. Thanks.
I agree on this. I play with the music turned off, which makes this even more noticeable. The fight with the harbinger is actually really quiet, and the roars from the thing aren't as full and beefy as I'd imagine them from such a giant monster.
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Rewards are well done as well.
Sound needs work though. Especially the "RARR"s coming from the final boss.
A lot of the complaints I'm reading here I just don't get. Reads like people raging just to rage from what I just saw. I didn't die an obscene amount of times (nor did anyone else on the runs we just did), I didn't have problems killing Exo fighters and I wasn't in a vehicle. I played this on Sho Nuff, Arsenal Gear and Storm Bringer for people curious of what builds I was using.
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The rewards are alright, but overall the fight is rather boring and unimaginative. I'm not seeing the epic/mega part of this. I also thought this was also suppose to change something about MC, after we exit the alert there is no signs anything happened.
Overall, it is very fun!
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It is indeed necessary to be right on top of the Harbinger to shoot it. The Exocets were a pain too, partly because I'm not really very good with flying the Hawkwing in combat (maybe if I could connect one of my XBox controllers, but I think that requires Bluetooth, and this computer doesn't have that).
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Snap they have third party ones now? Do you need one if your computer has bluetooth built in?
Sadly, we already have people raging that it is too hard.
This was one of the most boring boss fights I've ever had the displeasure of being in. The harbinger's attacks can be evaded by simply being under him in the water, and there are uncalled-for pauses in him taking damage, a mechanic which Cryptic really has quite a fetish with. WHY Must Destroyer become invincible 20 times before my worthless team can finally kill him? Why must radiation wear off after 45 seconds? Doesn't it take millions of years? Why is the most top-of-the-line floating destroyer in the world's targeting thrown off by 20 derpy floating claws? The Harbinger doesn't move, can't it just aim the cannon in the same exact place? Can't a beam of pure gamma rays penetrate something as worthless as building steel? How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop? I may never know. But cryptic's love for boring boss fights is something which has occured many times now.
I mean honestly, can't you have just made it so the fighters attack random people instead of blocking the magical deus ex machina beam? Can't the water around the harbinger have been acidic or overly hot to prevent people from going in there in the first place? Can the Harbinger screech anything else but those two obnoxious, eardrum-shattering screams?
I am so very confused.
I'd rather get STO's level of lockbox suck if worthwhile updates come with it. -Buxom
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Overall I really like it! Great work.
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True that. The confrontation with the Harbinger could have been done even better. No need for invul phases and more exosets that attacks players sounds good. If they had received these suggestions earlier they could have incorporated them. However, we should still recognize that they took in quite a bit of feedback this time round from players. This is something I am quite glad. I am sure if we keep at this, any newer missions will have even more positive reviews. Also, it is not always possible to have every suggestion or feedback rolled out.
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Didn't TT say multiple times that this wasn't just going to be a temporary alert mission but more permanent like the Sky Carrier mission?
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The question is, what separates these Custom Alerts with the ones that cycle every two weeks or even a Rampage?
The Harbinger feels like a Rampage done right and it deserves to be permanently available at all times. Saying that, Gravitar needs to have some kind of pacing involved. Maybe cycle that out for a while and put Harbinger in its place. Then when she comes back the Rampage had stuff added and even a reward change?
BTW, Sky Carrier needs a reward boost.
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Yes. And they would look into cycling it in periodically.
I enjoy Gravitar more because of the lack of jet fighters I have to randomly take out. And melee seems like an option to play in the Gravitar alert. If they inject this into the rotation, I hope it's not at Gravitar's expense.
I think the problems with stealth powers are breaking this game to the point where I can't enjoy it anymore. I think all my stealth and teleporting made the boss instaheal himself twice. I realized it too late, and my teammates quit before we could find the last tentacle that was supposedly there.
It plays like any other action game---which is fine, I guess---but the bugs and the lack of determination from random teammates make me want to avoid playing it again. Here is a screenshot of me standing there hopeless after my teammates died a lot and then quit not knowing what else to do:
There are a lot of things that have "been said" in these parts. You get used to it eventually. :rolleyes:
I don't like that IFO saucer thing. If I have to use that, then I won't be playing this again. Seems pretty counter-intuitive not to make it easier for players to know how to find one.
It's "epic" moments like the one pictured in this screenshot that almost make me wish I never played this game:
Pros:
Boss had a cool design.
I liked the screams of the harbinger.
Environment looked great.
Good rewards.
Cons:
The boss fight was an absolute joke. Way too easy and extremely tedious.
Favors people with vehicles.
Favors ranged characters.
No music.
Cutscenes felt rushed and did more harm to the overall experience than good.
Subpar voice acting for Defender and Biselle (lemurians sounded a lot better).
I don't have the sound on when I play so no idea about any sounds.
was a bit hard working out range for it, with his size.
The exocets, it was just work out what height it is and wait for them to come round.
I got one of the flying disks from the tent.
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Best bit- cute little AF on first win.
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My major problem is that the Biselle impersonator dies way too fast. He has this really cool power of transforming into all sorts of mobs, even animals. But you don't get to see much of it when he is beaten in less than two seconds!
I think he should be just as hard as the average alert villain.
Also, I was pretty disappointed that there were no vehicle versions of the drill tanks, not even as NPCs.
The boss fight caused me massive lag, but aside from that, it seemed neither too hard nor too easy. And I was really surprised that my DPS vehicle was able to tank the Harbinger.
The audio says that the fighters are distracting the targeting system of the cannon or something. It reminds me of a startegy used by some pet herders in PvP, not only in CO: Try to fill the opponent's screen with so many pets that he can't target you anymore.
Not that it would make sense to hide a skyscraper-sized monster behind a few tiny jets... :rolleyes:
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Put it like this. For certain stretches of the mission you wouldn't know if you had sound off or not. It just goes empty and then when there is sound it's repetitive rain and creature roaring and nothing else.
Unrelated to the quoted poster: As to people saying this mission is hard and takes too long...I now understand why this game is so difficulty light to some of us. Having read these boards, talked to some of my more casual friends and read a bit of zone chat...yeah, I have a new understanding of what people consider hard in this game and therefore a new perspective on the game's difficulty (or lack there of depending on who you are).
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Ha I think I have a demo_record of the same thing.Then I dunno one guy solo'd the boss and we all got a prize. Was really just weird and hollow feeling.
As for the length of the mission.
I would have loved the same thing broken down into distinct missions to accomplish in the given terrain.
I have a pinched nerve, I need to stop doing computer stuff , too often.
"Give me a break" is a real thing people actually need.
Tab targeting essential breaks when the exocets are out. All I get is a big invincible harbinger.
1. The event is an excercise in why cutscenes are a terrible idea if you have a semi-open map. The Mayors one ist the worst - I have not been near them even once when it triggered, so all it ever did was serve to break the flow of my game.
Lesson: If you want cutscenes, you have to railroad everyone into them properly.
2. The boss fight isn't fun, it's a drag. It's worse on melee toons, where trying to chase down the flier waves is too tedious to bother. It's worst on melee toons without SS CON and after the first time, you know you absolutely have to break off sufficiently before Harbinger's pre-immunity blast because that's likely to one-shot you.
Lesson: Mostly "can't please everyone" here, though if the designers wanted to portray UNTIL as having even an ounce of sense, characters would be given the option of picking up a time-limited ranged-damage device. ("Here, take this bazooka and try to take out one flier, at least.")
3. Once again, the rewards can be entirely too bad particularly for something this pointlessly dragged out.
Lesson: Okay, I get it - Cryptic doesn't want to ever balance effort vs. reward properly.
1) Get an UNTIL Hoverdisk if you don't have a vehicle. Sorry if you don't want to use the thing, but you're frankly wasting your time as well as others at the boss fight if you don't have one. Even if you're melee, get one. Why? You can still Lunge at an exocet to stun one and then tear it to pieces.
2) When fighting the boss, keep your mouse on his lifebar so you can watch it. The INSTANT he stops taking damage, hold down block and start moving backwards. You have roughly a second or two before he does his 'uber high damage PBAoE that hits everyone of doom' power. It's not like you can see what the boss looks like anyway with all the status effects on top of him.
3) Melee can hit the boss anywhere in his vertical height (assuming you're next to him). You don't need to go into the water (and it's not recommended either). You did get that Hoverdisk like I told you, right?
4) BUG: If you have Conflag / Avalanche / Lightning Storm as your main attack, well, you're buggered. Due to how those powers work (basically requiring you to be within 50ft of the very bottom of your target dead center), you have absolutely no way to deal damage to it with said power. Said bug has been around since launch, and for the most part the only other mob that has this issue is Mega-D, so it hasn't been talked about much. See poorly designed pic:
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5) Follow the crowd. Odds are people have already run this a few times and know where they're going and the quickest route to that goal. It also makes fighting all the mobs inbetween that much easier.
6) "Watch out for the tentacles!" Yeah, that's a worthless tip if I've ever heard one. I have no idea why you hear that at the boss fight, as one just avoids it easily enough. Or just, you know, don't fight there.
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1) Fun to do something new, but it's a bit too long.
2) Rewards? There are rewards? I opened the little case at the end and got an Ego Armoring V mod and 3 vehicle mods. Unless I missed where I was supposed to pick up other rewards, that seemed REALLY lame for the time invested.
3) Sound (or lack there of) is weird. I couldn't hear my own abilities going off.
4) Targeting area on the Harbinger was weird. Tab targeting (well, using a controller but still) just wouldn't grab him. I had to actually click to select this HUGE boss in front of me.
5) Not interested in vehicles for all but one of my characters - so the Exocet things were just annoying (not threatening, just annoying to try to hit).
6) This did not seem difficult to me, despite the fact I died several times (instakills from the Harbinger - didn't see the tells at first). I tried healing people since I was playing on my sorcery character... but everyone was so spread out it was pretty futile.
I'm sure I'll play it on a few more characters to see how it plays with different abilities, but couldn't see playing it on a regular basis.