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cassiann
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Okay first off I know there will be some that will not like what is discussed here so we have to bare with the nay sayers.
Okay now on to the topice. First off I love the 2 new bikes I got from the lock boxes (opened 23 and got the Hawk and Copperhed bikes) hope to see some other styles in the Z Store. However while talking with a friend seems the cycles, and for that matter the tanks or fighter jets, are not in style line with her character. So I thought "What about a Creature like style of Vehicle?". Below is a list of Creature themed vehicles and when attack/abilities they could possiblly have.
1) Winged Type: These would be some kind of bird like creature (Hawk, Eagle or Vulture) or
a dinosaur like the Pterodactyl or the Pterosaur.
2) Insect Type: These would consist of a Praying Mantis, Scarab and even a Wasp or Bee.
3) Mythical Type: Something along the lines of a Dragon (both the Classical Midevil winged
dragon and the ancient Chinese wingless flying dragon), A Firey Phenix or Thunderbird
or even a Griffin.
And they could have special weapons/Attacks like Fire, Ice or Poison Breath, Lightening or Partical eye beams. What about giving these types of Creature Vehicles Melee Attacks (bite, slash, shred and clobber). I know I would want a few of these for some of my Alts and I'm sure there would be others put there that would like one or more of the afore mentioned.
If any of you would like to see these things and o have Ideas for types of Creature and or attacks please post here and maybe the Developers will try to make something along these lines happen in the near future.
Happy Heroing
Okay now on to the topice. First off I love the 2 new bikes I got from the lock boxes (opened 23 and got the Hawk and Copperhed bikes) hope to see some other styles in the Z Store. However while talking with a friend seems the cycles, and for that matter the tanks or fighter jets, are not in style line with her character. So I thought "What about a Creature like style of Vehicle?". Below is a list of Creature themed vehicles and when attack/abilities they could possiblly have.
1) Winged Type: These would be some kind of bird like creature (Hawk, Eagle or Vulture) or
a dinosaur like the Pterodactyl or the Pterosaur.
2) Insect Type: These would consist of a Praying Mantis, Scarab and even a Wasp or Bee.
3) Mythical Type: Something along the lines of a Dragon (both the Classical Midevil winged
dragon and the ancient Chinese wingless flying dragon), A Firey Phenix or Thunderbird
or even a Griffin.
And they could have special weapons/Attacks like Fire, Ice or Poison Breath, Lightening or Partical eye beams. What about giving these types of Creature Vehicles Melee Attacks (bite, slash, shred and clobber). I know I would want a few of these for some of my Alts and I'm sure there would be others put there that would like one or more of the afore mentioned.
If any of you would like to see these things and o have Ideas for types of Creature and or attacks please post here and maybe the Developers will try to make something along these lines happen in the near future.
Happy Heroing
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Though I've always been a fan of the vehicles, and vehicle system, I haven't been fond of the way they implement some of the release patches for them. IE the prototype situation, and the current option to only obtain bikes from lockboxes. Other than that I'm happy with it so far.
The only problem that I see is they would have to make the models completely animated, not only for motion, but for combat as well. Otherwise, they would look pretty stiff. I'm not saying this is impossible (because it isn't), but it would take more time & money to develop them than making another static vehicle.
Another thing is the weapon mods. I think they could use some preexisting mod types, but change the fx & tooltip to better match the creature theme. I'm not all too familiar with these, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
As far as suggestions for creatures, I like what you have. I think narrowing it down to around 3 types would be a good idea (it would make it easier to implement, with animations and such).
Not saying these are super awesome ideas, but they're just what I came up with.
1. Birds: Hawks, Eagles, Vultures, Phoenix, etc.
2. Large Mammals: Lions, Tigers, Panthers, Wolves, etc. (probably will end up having wings, or some flying ability)
3. Horses: Pegasus, Winged-Demon Steed, Celestial Steed, etc.
Others:
4. Flying Insects: Wasps, Bees, Hornets, etc.
5. Dragons and gryphons I see using the same set of animations, so I guess they could be put in the same group.
I'm not a big fan of vehicles, I was not part of the group asking for such.
But a horse "vehicle" would be perfect for my western themed toon, and a pterodactyl would fit nicely with another.
Also, give people some time to respond to your thread it's still early morning where I'm at.
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As long as vehicles aren't at least colorable, ANY type of vehicles will be of questionable value.
No visual customisation - no need for vehicles.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
... I'd buy one.
In regards to the actual OP, I might be interested in some mythic beast types for my main (maybe a Pegasi or winged Unicorn, griffin, maybe a flying magical wolf [silvery haired] or a dragon [though, I consider dragons to be over done in fantasy themes]). But only if I don't have to gamble for them or their mods (AT ALL) :rolleyes:
Also I think a gleaming silver minimalistic bike, ala the gadroon space ships would be very nice for several of my characters.
Advantage of these is that they fit right in with two of the NPC factions.
I also second the call for a smaller, nimble bike, especially a harley-lookin' thing and give a few to the maniacs because that would rock.
Nice! I was thinking of a stand-up version, but definitely something like that.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Honestly? I hate the idea.
I'd rather the developers spend time making this game feel like a super hero game, not a fantasy or anime or whatever else game.
Sometimes I really think that some people don't actually know that this game is about super heroes.
And before the "X hero rides Y beast in the comic books!" argument starts, let's remember that most heroes did not. I want more content that most characters can use. I think vehicles as a whole were a bad idea, outside of them just being travel powers. To devote an entire big update to them was silly.
I actually can agree with this. I don't believe that all heroes have to be cookie cutter men in tights and most modern superheroes are not, but I would rather they would devote their resources towards content all heroes can use--particularly of the playable variety--than keep pouring resources into stuff some might use, then make us gamble for it.
That being said, as I mentioned before, if I were going to spend money to get (not gamble for) vehicle-type stuff it would be for mythic beast-types. But given the choice, I'd rather they'd forget about vehicles and work on actual content.
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For the record....vehicles aren't that bad...but I'm not going to purchase a chance for one.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
We already have all the animations hooked up to have a travel power where you stand on something, (hover disc). Create variants where you stand atop things like a giant bird, bat, dragon, animated magic rune, large flying weapon, crystal shard, and so forth. Then, we can get back to playing our actual characters, instead of a vehicle in which all our super abilities are disabled.
Or better yet, maybe the devs can try to implement a proper sitting pose for a standard travel power, (like maybe add a very short standing up animation before you can use any powers), then add mounts. If they overcome that hurdle, then we could have things like horses, flying brooms, and other steeds.
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This, I want them to be travel powers. Not devices that change my powers. Mostly because I suck without regeneration.
Also, a little off topic here but I swear I read somewhere about getting critters like cat, and dogs that follow us around, sometime when they showed that picture of the wizard outfits. That picture is no longer there but it was in March I think.
Well we have action figures - there's no reason they couldn't have one be a cat or dog, (we already have wolves as pet skins). If they made a cat/feline head that worked in the bestial stance better, and slimmed down the body a bit, they could pull off a serviceable cat AF.
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Hmm i would definately in a heartbeat buy a pterosaur or bat or flying Ant (preferably red) vehicle (or action figure!) from the z-store. Would i open lockboxes for more than drifter salvage for one? Still not sure.
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what diabolical mastermind
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the Volterrific Dr Cerebellum?
I can't agree more, and with the latest Bike crap, I never want them to do anymore Vehicle anything. I don't care if they put these ideas into the C-store or new bikes there, the fact they were released as Lockbox only off the get go, makes me not care.
OP your ideas are awesome and I would have signed off and agreed with them but Cryptic kiled it.
The Pterodactyl could work for the western themed character too, Valley of Gwangi style! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPaUdWkGKa8
While she has been rescued
what diabolical mastermind
was behind the devious brain-napping of
the Volterrific Dr Cerebellum?
Get. Out. Of. My. Head!
I know we've had our love-hate relationship differences but... Smackwell will you marry me?
(teehee! But yes I extremely strongly agree with you here)
PS: The superhero shows I remember as a kid where quite a bit grittier that most of the campy-humor that is in Champions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's ONLY JohnSills pushing that rhetoric-based argument. I also seem to recall I had some equally biting counter-sarcasm points to match his sarcasm when he first made that arguement. (I can't remember which topic it was, like 2 to 3 months ago now)
Also I'll point out that when Vehicles were first mentioned, it was originally with them being travel powers, not devices. That idea in turn originally came from a poll, well before On Alert, that resulted in the Distortion series of travel powers. Several people in that topic attached to the poll mentioned stuff about land vehicle travel powers.
On the plus side, we narrowly avoided the bullet of vehicles becoming immensely more powerful than the actual characters they support. Which brings me back to the point Smackwell made about the game needing focus on the superheroes themselves.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the mantra when Cryptic moved away from CoH to make Champions that it was "make the hero you want to be" with "focus on character"?
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I love it!
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Well I guess Thor, Valkyre, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Prince Namor aren't Superheroes then they are HEAVILY Fantasy Based. As for "ANIME" just because it's not American doesn't make their Super Heroes like Sailor Moon, Goku/Dragon Ball Z, Ultra man any less heroic then Superman, Batman, Spider-man or Iron man.
Let us remember these people are in the business of making money so they will do or go in what ever direction leads to that end. So if they feel the money is in the Anime and fantasy genre that's the way they'll go end of story.
Besides I have a felling they are gonna make new vehicles anyway, I'm just giving them a suggestion on a style/theme for the next one to come down the pike.
Out of all of those comic characters you named, only Valkyrie makes serious/frequent use of a mode of transportation, in the form of a winged steed. Wonder Woman hasn't had that stupid jet in decades(1950s, retconned out of existence anyway), Aquaman only ever had a jet-ski in the Superfriends cartoon, Namor has never had a vehicle outside of an odd toy here or there. Thor does have a chariot drawn by two giant mystical goats but I can't think of the last time he made use of them since Beta Ray Bill was introduced.
None of those anime characters you named had any vehicles either aside from maybe Goku but we already have the ability to use flying nimbus by activating Earth Flight in midair.
My point? Most of your examples are poor ones and don't really support your argument that well.
But .. but .. Wolverine these days can only be seen when he rides his Dragon that shoots
Rockets out of his nose and Miniguns out of his eyes ..
NO hero uses Superpowers today .. everyone just rides something that can shoot rockets,
get used to it
Since we also have way too much content in this game, i think they should remove all zones
or instances where we can't use vehicles .. because forcing a superhero to actual use something
like superpowers feels so totally wrong :biggrin:
There is absolutely no need for new rides, as this idea has already failed.
Time to ditch it and move on.
No matter if they are sometimes used for fighting, or transportation, vehicles in comic books are always unique and tailored for characters.
A present incarnation of vehicles is completely not needed.
It's generic stuff and has no place in this game.
In comics whether vehicles are actual hero stuff like batmobiles, or only an alt modes like transformers, every of them is more or less unique, even if it's only a simple repaint with different decals - only mooks and grunts are using identical vehicles.
I cannot agree more with this statement.
Case in point: S.H.I.E.L.D. in the Ultimate Marvel universe. They have an entire fleet of identical helicarriers.
I understand that there's fantasy themed stuff and they can make as much anime junk as they want. However, this game was based on a western comic book setting, and since you asked for feedback on your idea, and asked for people not to just look and back out, I posted what I'd rather see. What I posted wasn't an argument, it was just my feedback on your idea.
Of course there will be more vehicles, but honestly I hope they abandon vehicles like they have abandoned the nemesis system, and the sooner the better, in my opinion.
On the upside with the bikes we now have a sort of straddling animation they could use for more traditional mounts if they were to make TPs of those, the downside is they'd probably have to be non-combat TPs like bat flight because I doubt the power animations would work and it would be kinda weird to strap machine guns and rocket launchers on a horse... okay actually I'd totally buy a machine-gun horse but that's beyond the point.
Speaking of Non-Combat TPs that's more or less what the vehicles are really, oh you have guns and all but they're way too weak to be much good beyond the novelty factor. I agree they shouldn't outclass the toons themselves but as is you're paying about as much as character slots cost for a "tank" with cardboard armor that fires spitballs...ironically a tank that looked made of cardboard and really shot spitballs would be kinda cool.
wait a second... generic looks, weak as a newborn kitten, just there to "look cool"... THAT'S IT I've been looking at them all wrong, they aren't supposed to be super hero vehicles at all, they're mook ones! it all makes sense now :biggrin:
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Probably never gonna happen. They probably don't have the tech for ground friction with tires. You'd either be able to make your car strafe sideways, or the car would be able to make 45 degree turns like a Tron bike.
Best you can hope for is "hover" vehicles, like a car that hovers a foot off the ground, but not fly up into the air.
I'd love a flying car, like the type that shield uses. Found this old image of Nick Fury flying one....
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Where he's going, he don't need roads!
And with that, lets have transforming travel powers, turn into a bird, wolf, and other animals like that. But it would be weird to see birds underwater :P
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Seeing as we have become devices, I'm pretty sure cryptic could pull this off, we already have one power on the become vampire device that alters the player's appearance and powers into a giant bat creature, so it would be a cool power/ Travel power.
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I wasn't arguing either just pointing out that heroes come in all forms and styles including Westernized AMERICAN comics but that is a little short sighted and bigoted to say it should only be base on one countries view of a Super Hero.
Its for the sake of the Lore and doing the IP justice.
I dont want to log into Star Trek and see hella Jedi either. If you want to play fantasy lore or anime lore there should be a game for you.. It's not Champions Online
Okay so what if one CAN NOT find these games or they do not exist, what is one supposed to do? Quit playing games online?
Besides Champions "LORE" does allow for other realms and countries where these Fantasy and Anime heroes can come from.
Do the IP justice? Are you sure we're playing the same game....cause I'm pretty sure they wouldn't even have anime costume packs harajuku, or even spaceship themes if it didn't do the IP justice. I'm offended that you would even insult Champions Online in such a way.
This game was made with the intention of letting people express themselves creatively with one of the largest most expansive versatile character creation systems in gaming history. Cryptic didn't spend months in the studio so everyone could create defender clones. Cryptic spent months in the studio to allow the players imagination to run wild with their hero, they did it so you could take your creation, and have it be a part of their world, Millennium city and all.
Star Trek is a television show and story arch first. It can't delve into things not related to it because the series and IP was founded and thrives off of red yellow and blue jumpsuits, naval aircraft carrier officer resemblance, warfare, and diplomacy.
Champions Online's IP is one that is an example of "The Super Hero Genre" comic creators come up with super heroes of all types, from the west to the east, and from the east back to the west again. The Super Hero Genre is great because it isn't limited like Star Trek, star trek can only use whats standard to the IP, Champions is unlimited, comic driven, artist inspired. A super hero can be anything, A commanding medical officer on a fleet vessel can only be just that, and they have to wear blue.
The IP includes:
-extensive medieval European fantasy elements.
-extensive Asian fantasy elements.
-anime influenced elements.
-cyberpunk elements.
-Lovecraftian horror elements.
-Sci-Fi elements.
and so on.
The Champions Universe was created, and has continued to evolve, to incorporate as many different possible components as possible. It is designed to be inclusive, not exclusive.
Over the course of decades of play in the Champions Universe I have seen just about everything under the sun fit into the setting.
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Pretty much. I have the Hero/Champs 5th ed and 6th ed condenced rule books and a lot of the art is not just classic men in tights stuff but a variety of styles including robotic, modern, asian, fantasy and more. People that claim otherwise are just being selective on what they want to see or allow others to have in the game.
PS: Or how everyone else has already pointed out