I was being a bit sarcastic about that part. It's a feature that would be easily abused, but I just wanna transfer some BoP gears to characters who can use it!
But yeaaaah. C'mon Cryptic. You can weasel out of this by saying it's an early version of what'll go Live even if you intended for us to get only ten slots. We'll do the whole winkwinknudgenudge routine for you. Accidentally give us 40 slots with the ability to purchase more? Gasp! Ability to store/transfer resources? Double gasp!
Personally, I was expecting the exact same thing that we get for the bank that we have now. You get the first tab free and then need to pay extra in game resources to acquire additional tabs. This is total UI functionality, there are no FX or costume designers working on this. There is no need to make a profit on this. I am utterly repulsed at the fact that we would actually need to purchase these from the C-Store. Because all that is is greed and not giving a **** about the customers who have requested this for so long and then just outright blatantly ******** on them.
I'm totally agree with you, Lohr.
And especially for the subscribers/gold players.
10 slots.........really? Truly? ......and here I thought I could pool all these blues from my 13 40's. I guess I just make a sg and pull all my alts into it
Yeah, I'm pitching in on the "not good enough" side here. 10 bank slots is not enough. If you need to have just 10 for Silver players, at least make us Gold players get more. We know you have the tech to do it.
10 slots ? very good idea, ..... for earn money ........ or lost subscribers
With the pricing policy of the last months i bet on the second choice .....
I can't remember the last feature unlockable IN GAME
Ech. 10 slots...not appealing. I have refrained from buying hideouts because I awaited the functionality that was going to be included with them beyond "looks awesome". They certainly do look awesome, and props to the development team for that. 10 slots is a slap in the face, though. I'll use a mail terminal for that kind of storage (and I do).
My Novocaine is starting to wear off, so I had to type this up before I became distinctly more irate.
Only 10 slots is just one part of the problem. The other is that you can't access your normal bank, and without that
it also doesn't make much sense at all.
How many slots SHOULD we be getting instead? Ten is somewhat depressing (alright, marginally depressing and a little insulting) and clearly not gonna fly.
Where's everyone's break even point here? I'm in the 20-30 camp (I'd stomach 20 if we got resource storage, but I'd be tickled with 30 + resource storage and closer to content with just plain 30).
Ten, I would say, counts as 'basically irrelevant'. On the other hand, it's also free with a hideout, so it may be okay for it to be basically irrelevant. The real question is how many slots you can have, and how much it costs to add more.
Unlike the rest of you, I'm not really bothered by this. What we got was pretty much what I expected we would get. The only I don't like is the lack of a resource transfer, the UI is far too big for the number of slots we have, and the extra slots were delayed.
(And at least, I don't get random duel invites...)
There has been a few duel request spammers in VB for a few months now and they like to hit you when you are in AH especially.
Meh, 10 slots is just too little unless the purchasable ones are really cheap and in-game currency only which we all know they will be neither cheap nor in-game currency.
You can invite your alts yourself .. characters here don't have to be online to be invited
actually no... i am a major altitis guy. to the point that i have a second account JUST for inviting alts into sg. they disabled that a long time ago, theres a message "unable to find character" or "character not found" or sum such when you try to send an sg invite to Altsname@global
actually no... i am a major altitis guy. to the point that i have a second account JUST for inviting alts into sg. they disabled that a long time ago, theres a message "unable to find character" or "character not found" or sum such when you try to send an sg invite to Altsname@global
Really? I invited an alt just a few weeks ago and it worked fine.
On topic, 10 slots does feel a bit thin, but I disagree that it's more convenient to go to a mailbox. Hideouts can be accessed anywhere, so you can trade stuff without needing to go to a mailbox. Still, do wish there were more than 10 slots. 20-30 would be nice.
I'm not-really-optimistic-at-all cautiously optimistic that it did nooot just go live with 10 slots.
I'm definately expecting to be disappointed that it did.
well, patch notes - doesn't say 10, but if 10 is on the PTS and it's going live tonight, I think we all know what that means based on previous behavior.
KotH was removed as the build was a live candidate. It will return with the next build for more testing.
The target markers "circles" were meant to be exclusive to KotH. I want to target a fix for the next patch 8/8. The feedback so far has been unanimous.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
Additional functionality for Hideouts will be added in the coming weeks. There has been a ton of great feedback that we have reviewed. Keep in mind some things will be reserved for larger Hideout updates while others will be straight forward.
actually no... i am a major altitis guy. to the point that i have a second account JUST for inviting alts into sg. they disabled that a long time ago, theres a message "unable to find character" or "character not found" or sum such when you try to send an sg invite to Altsname@global
They fixed that long time ago, about when we lost Champedia, which used to be the only way you could invite your own @name.
KotH was removed as the build was a live candidate. It will return with the next build for more testing.
The target markers "circles" were meant to be exclusive to KotH. I want to target a fix for the next patch 8/8. The feedback so far has been unanimous.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
Additional functionality for Hideouts will be added in the coming weeks. There has been a ton of great feedback that we have reviewed. Keep in mind some things will be reserved for larger Hideout updates while others will be straight forward.
Your feedback is always appreciated.
You do realize that your players are telling you that 10 slots is absolutely useless?
KotH was removed as the build was a live candidate. It will return with the next build for more testing.
The target markers "circles" were meant to be exclusive to KotH. I want to target a fix for the next patch 8/8. The feedback so far has been unanimous.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
Additional functionality for Hideouts will be added in the coming weeks. There has been a ton of great feedback that we have reviewed. Keep in mind some things will be reserved for larger Hideout updates while others will be straight forward.
Your feedback is always appreciated.
Slightly more comforting, though I'm just a little disappointed that it sounds like additional free slots are just being discussed about additions, and aren't a sure thing at this point. I appreciate the matter going into review, but given the sheer amount of feedback that's been saying 10 isn't going to fly, just having it a possibility of seeing an increase blows. Though I appreciate that the amount of time it was up may not have been enough to get it in for sure at launch.
Would've been nicer to see the launch delayed a bit, though.
The PVP circles thing... even just in KotH, can we get a bit more discussion on why they got added in? I didn't really have much of an issue targetting people on the other team (beyond the pet targetting issue, which is another matter altogether and one I don't expect being talked about here; Would be nice though) in any other PVP map, and it doesn't look like KotH offers any particular change in differences of scale that would make it uniquely necessary there.
Looking forward to hearing more about what kind of stuff is planned for hideouts, though. :U Don't mean to be too harsh here, but kind of bummed in general over this.
I'm heavily into the itemization in this game, I have a couple full character banks and a full personal SG bank. In terms of C store spending I'm a 3 or 4 out of 5, I don't splurge like the richest customers, but I buy all the things I want that seem fairly priced.
With that said, there is a huge disconnect between the account wide banks on PTS and what I would consider reasonable. For me, the account wide bank should start at one full page (40-50 slots), and each additional page should cost about 80 CP, for a total of 10 pages. That's 800 CP I would happily spend.
Ten pages of 50 slots would only bring the account wide bank on par with SG banks that can be made for free.
Other demands are that both the hideout and Ren center should both have access to all three of personal bank, account wide bank, and SG bank.
Maybe this account wide storage is not targetted at my demographic, and that's OK, I don't have any pressing need for Bind on Equip storage. If you want to sell me 10 slots at a time, it had better be BoP storage (expanding character banks, I'm not referring to the more radical suggestion to allow BoP item swapping), and even then 80 CP is about the most I would pay for 10 slots unless they were magical accessible-from-anywhere slots or had other special properties.
I'm heavily into the itemization in this game, I have a couple full character banks and a full personal SG bank. In terms of C store spending I'm a 3 or 4 out of 5, I don't splurge like the richest customers, but I buy all the things I want that seem fairly priced.
With that said, there is a huge disconnect between the account wide banks on PTS and what I would consider reasonable. For me, the account wide bank should start at one full page (40-50 slots), and each additional page should cost about 80 CP, for a total of 10 pages. That's 800 CP I would happily spend.
Ten pages of 50 slots would only bring the account wide bank on par with SG banks that can be made for free.
Other demands are that both the hideout and Ren center should both have access to all three of personal bank, account wide bank, and SG bank.
Maybe this account wide storage is not targetted at my demographic, and that's OK, I don't have any pressing need for Bind on Equip storage. If you want to sell me 10 slots at a time, it had better be BoP storage (expanding character banks, I'm not referring to the more radical suggestion to allow BoP item swapping), and even then 80 CP is about the most I would pay for 10 slots unless they were magical accessible-from-anywhere slots or had other special properties.
I think the idea behind shared slots isn't to give you just another bank tab. My 40s all have full bank slots, but honestly... what good would another 50 slots do you in a shared bank? If you're that desperate for more space, why not just make a new alt as a bank mule and mail them everything?
I can't say 10 slots is optimal, because it's not really enough for any kind of permanent storage, but as a way to quickly transfer things around alts? Yeah, I could see getting some use out of it, especially if we get resource transfers. People keep saying it's easier to mail your stuff, but if the hideouts let you not have to mail it, I'd much rather skip a step and take the easy route.
I just can't see the use case for having 10 shared bank slots. As others have said, mail is more efficient for transferring items in bulk. Even the idea that "I'm in Lemuria and my bags are full, so I'll pop into the hideout" just doesn't... hold water - makes more sense to destroy cheapo white items and keep playing (more efficient in terms of time per resource point I mean).
I was hoping for actual shared storage. I've got 12 level 40's and a half dozen in the 32 to 34 range. I have one character who stores blue items from the level 8-39 range and another that stores serpent lantern elite gear - I keep items in storage that I think an alt will eventually want to use (as the level, retcon, whatever). Right now this is a massive pain because there's no way to easily check whether an item I have stored is better than an item a character is wearing. I've tried to resort to spreadsheets but even that is a hassle due to the naming convention of items.
I'm glad you're making the hideouts have more functionality (I've bought 3 of them so far, plus my "free" one) but find that I rarely go to any of them (mainly just to visit the tailor). Having useful shared storage would totally change that (and would result in buying more hideouts - as of now, I can't see purchasing any more of them despite their cool looks).
Also, I appreciate that you want to reserve some functionality for supergroup bases, but I just don't have any desire to join one - have had enough guild drama in other MMO's. One of the things I like most about CO is that there's no particular advantage or pressure involved in guild membership - I really hope you don't move in the direction of requiring SG membership to get really useful functionality.
I'm heavily into the itemization in this game, I have a couple full character banks and a full personal SG bank. In terms of C store spending I'm a 3 or 4 out of 5, I don't splurge like the richest customers, but I buy all the things I want that seem fairly priced.
With that said, there is a huge disconnect between the account wide banks on PTS and what I would consider reasonable. For me, the account wide bank should start at one full page (40-50 slots), and each additional page should cost about 80 CP, for a total of 10 pages. That's 800 CP I would happily spend.
Ten pages of 50 slots would only bring the account wide bank on par with SG banks that can be made for free.
Other demands are that both the hideout and Ren center should both have access to all three of personal bank, account wide bank, and SG bank.
Maybe this account wide storage is not targetted at my demographic, and that's OK, I don't have any pressing need for Bind on Equip storage. If you want to sell me 10 slots at a time, it had better be BoP storage (expanding character banks, I'm not referring to the more radical suggestion to allow BoP item swapping), and even then 80 CP is about the most I would pay for 10 slots unless they were magical accessible-from-anywhere slots or had other special properties.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
I think the account bank should follow along the lines of the regular bank where Gold members can purchase slots with Influence (globals) and not need to use the C-Store at all to "max out" their Account bank slots.
I think the idea behind shared slots isn't to give you just another bank tab. My 40s all have full bank slots, but honestly... what good would another 50 slots do you in a shared bank? If you're that desperate for more space, why not just make a new alt as a bank mule and mail them everything?
I can't say 10 slots is optimal, because it's not really enough for any kind of permanent storage, but as a way to quickly transfer things around alts? Yeah, I could see getting some use out of it, especially if we get resource transfers. People keep saying it's easier to mail your stuff, but if the hideouts let you not have to mail it, I'd much rather skip a step and take the easy route.
Have you ever used a personal SG bank to share items between your alts? By "personal" I mean the SG exists just for the sake of the bank, not for socializing, the members are just your characters. This personal SG bank gives 100s of slots for sharing items between characters.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
I resolved to remain silent until this was confirmed. Since it is now confirmed I must state my opinion.
An Account Bank should never be envisioned with increasing the difficulty for a player to transfer items to themselves, but to help ease the hassle of mailing various items to yourself, switching to the toon that needs the items, rinse and repeat. What you have effectively done with this shortsighted decision is to reinforce that the mailing system that is in place now is better than what you intend to sell to your customers and call it "Increased Functionality" and there is an expectation that your players will merely accept that?
One of the most commonly asked things in Zone chat is "Can you send money to yourself?" and the answer is no, you can't. The plan for account banks should have taken that request into consideration from the start... not as an afterthought.
It would be a wonderful idea to be able to access your personal bank from your hideout as well, but that hasn't been discussed, has it? And if it has not been discussed, why hasn't it been talked about? If it has been talked about, then why was it rejected and not implemented?
There are many suggestion threads for the hideouts... I suspect they exist because the hideouts have been a very lucrative item for the game. But something that your player base has been asking you to implement for a very long time is not open to our input. Many people have indicated that 10 slots will not be enough and those people have offered reasons why it isn't enough. These reasons offered should be listened to and taken seriously.
I can tell you that a good deal of faithful devotees to Champions are getting restless and are unhappy with what they see... I am not saying all, so those of you that are totally happy and content need not tell me that I do not speak for you because I already know that.
I have been looking forward to these account banks since the announcement and now I am apathetic and ambivalent to their implementation at all because it merely increases the time I would spend doing transfers with what already is in game at this point. Please, reconsider these decisions.
I'm heavily into the itemization in this game, I have a couple full character banks and a full personal SG bank. In terms of C store spending I'm a 3 or 4 out of 5, I don't splurge like the richest customers, but I buy all the things I want that seem fairly priced.
With that said, there is a huge disconnect between the account wide banks on PTS and what I would consider reasonable. For me, the account wide bank should start at one full page (40-50 slots), and each additional page should cost about 80 CP, for a total of 10 pages. That's 800 CP I would happily spend.
Ten pages of 50 slots would only bring the account wide bank on par with SG banks that can be made for free.
Other demands are that both the hideout and Ren center should both have access to all three of personal bank, account wide bank, and SG bank.
Maybe this account wide storage is not targetted at my demographic, and that's OK, I don't have any pressing need for Bind on Equip storage. If you want to sell me 10 slots at a time, it had better be BoP storage (expanding character banks, I'm not referring to the more radical suggestion to allow BoP item swapping), and even then 80 CP is about the most I would pay for 10 slots unless they were magical accessible-from-anywhere slots or had other special properties.
That's extremely disappointing. I would like to support Cryptic in these hideouts which really DO look good. Tumerboy (and anyone who happens to assist him, if anyone) has done very well in making them look spectacular. But they're useless. I am fully in support of Iso, Black_Cobra, Lohr, etc who have all said how much they dislike this final decision.
It's nice to know that the largest feature we were looking forward to is a massive dud. I guess I'll continue to only purchase costume-related content. Saves me loads of money.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
Unless there's some functionality to the shared bank that we haven't seen already, this is no way near enough. Please reconsider.
We're your loyal customers, Gold and Lifetimers. We don't want to feel flogged by you. I understand that for Silver players, buying storage is part of the deal, but for Golds and Lifetimers, not so much.
10 slots, as has been pointed out already, is the equivalent of two mails. It is not enough.
"Additional functionality" that is more cumbersome, and more inefficient than an already existing functionality? What were you thinking?
It would be a wonderful idea to be able to access your personal bank from your hideout as well, but that hasn't been discussed, has it? And if it has not been discussed, why hasn't it been talked about? If it has been talked about, then why was it rejected and not implemented?
They really just had to take a look on the shared bank of Everquest 2 or of Aion .. thats the way it should be.
Of course .. if i think about EQ2 .. they could also just give us 10 slots, but let us drop bags into these slots
They really just had to take a look on the shared bank of Everquest 2 or of Aion .. thats the way it should be.
Of course .. if i think about EQ2 .. they could also just give us 10 slots, but let us drop bags into these slots
You should have known better. This is cryptic. They missed the chance of making hideouts worth using for a lot of people. I wonder what we'll get next for hideouts?
You should have known better. This is cryptic. They missed the chance of making hideouts worth using for a lot of people. I wonder what we'll get next for hideouts?
Ah come on .. they also had some nice ideas .. for example using crafting mats directly from the bank .. thats
a feature i never saw in any other MMO
You should have known better. This is cryptic. They missed the chance of making hideouts worth using for a lot of people. I wonder what we'll get next for hideouts?
Well considering that we got facepalmed this hard with something we wanted so badly for hideouts I'm not really interested in anything else they add to them. Eh ill just stick to costume packs till I see otherwise.
Have you ever used a personal SG bank to share items between your alts? By "personal" I mean the SG exists just for the sake of the bank, not for socializing, the members are just your characters. This personal SG bank gives 100s of slots for sharing items between characters.
How many alts do you have? A few? Half dozen? Then a "personal SG bnak" would be fine.
But there are a LOT of people here with dozens and dozens of alts. A single SG bank as "shared space" between them isn't enough. I've got alts in about 12 different SG's with a friend of mine. By and large, he and I are the only players with characters in those SGs (there are a handful of others, but they either don't play the game anymore or don't play those characters).
Our SG banks have become multi-purpose (or otherwise would be chaos) - one SG bank for crafted travel mats, one for weapon power replacers, one for items level 1 - 17, another 17 - 24, etc. In essence, our SG banks aren't just for "extra" stuff, but quality items that new alts (or SG members) will be able to use when they hit a certain level. The more we can catalog these items (not just by "Primary Offense" but by "Dex Build," "Strength/Con Build," etc. the more valuable and easier to use the bank becomes.
Trying to properly catalog and place items in the corresponding SG bank is a minor nightmare. We looked forward to the shared bank slots not as storage, but like a Wells Fargo truck, to help us move large quantities of items between specific banks. I think, based on response here, a LOT of people did.
10 slots doesn't help. If I pick up some nice Blood Moon blue items that I know will be good for another character, it will stlll be simpler to "mail" them. The mail terminals are convenient and don't require loading other instances. If I have 10 items, I send three mails. The shared slots would have to be considerable more to offset the inconvenience of logging in a character, then logging them into the hideout, then logging BACK to MC to go to the bank - 3 trips PER CHARACTER per 10 slots.
Nah, sorry, but we'd be in the exact same boat with NO shared bank slots than having just 10. 10 shared slots is like... being told we're now getting the key to the city in Vibora Bay just like we have the key to MC, when the key to the city does NOTHING. How about a second Foxbot IOU? It would be the same as getting free blue items titled Scrap of Paper with no stats or effects. We'd have it, but it has no value, perceived or otherwise.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
Additional functionality for Hideouts will be added in the coming weeks. There has been a ton of great feedback that we have reviewed. Keep in mind some things will be reserved for larger Hideout updates while others will be straight forward.
RoBoBo, I like the Cryptic devs. They seem passionate about their work and I do see more general interaction with their fans compared to my years of EQ2. Having said that, this quoted comment is really making me want to point and laugh at you.
1) No money transfers? It's a complete pain to buy tons of 2g vendor crafting material pieces, which I would normally mail to an alt and sell back to the vendor. Now I could get a "vanity" personal guild, but that would prevent all of my characters from joining a "real" guild. Considering that this is an alt focused MMO, I consider this stance to be even more rediculous.
2) From my EQ2 perspective, Shared Bank slots were very useful. We could use the Shared coin slot on the bank to transfer funds between characters on a single account. The Shared Bank item slots could let us shift our Bind to Account on Pick Up items to our alts. (This factor wouldn't apply in CO.) It also become the main place to store all of your crafting materials. Even if we get a standard Bank sized "Crafting Materials Only" bank added to the Hideouts, there's would be a real draw towards buying access to a Hideout.
10 Shared Bank slots are basically worthless. If you added the money transfer option, then they would mean something. Adding additional crafting material storage tabs would be even better. Yet in its current state, I really can't see the point of a Hideout (unless you wanted a lag free Tailor).
Yes, I've bought every Moon Base package released thus far. It fits my personal sense of style. But that's just a pure vanity angle with no functionality. If you want to sell more Hideouts to Silver players, then you need to offer something more.
Nah, sorry, but we'd be in the exact same boat with NO shared bank slots than having just 10. 10 shared slots is like... being told we're now getting the key to the city in Vibora Bay just like we have the key to MC, when the key to the city does NOTHING. How about a second Foxbot IOU? It would be the same as getting free blue items titled Scrap of Paper with no stats or effects. We'd have it, but it has no value, perceived or otherwise.
Don't worry, I agree with you. In the context of what you quoted, I was responding to someone who was defending 10 slots as not useless. The reason I asked "have you ever had a personal SG bank", is because a personal SG bank makes 10 slots look like a joke, not because I think a personal SG bank solves all storage problems forever - mine is full too.
Adding yet another short term cash-grab into the game is disappointing. You clearly designed the shared bank feature in such a way that the 10 slots are an advertisement for what you envision as the fully featured x10 sized shared bank. So now instead of giving the fully featured bank to your MONTHLY SUBSCRIBERS(you know, the people already paying 15 bucks a month), you're chargining them more. Grats, way to **** off your customers. This is yet another cycle of dev time where you've done nothing to increase the value of a gold sub, so grats there too.
1-STILL a fan of the devs for all their hard work. but....
2- STILL laughing (and crying) over 10 slot "shared bank" (merely awkward, multiple loading extra mailing space)
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I see wut you did there!
I'm totally agree with you, Lohr.
And especially for the subscribers/gold players.
Please don't try to flog us on this.
With the pricing policy of the last months i bet on the second choice .....
I can't remember the last feature unlockable IN GAME
My Novocaine is starting to wear off, so I had to type this up before I became distinctly more irate.
Only 10 slots is just one part of the problem. The other is that you can't access your normal bank, and without that
it also doesn't make much sense at all.
How many slots SHOULD we be getting instead? Ten is somewhat depressing (alright, marginally depressing and a little insulting) and clearly not gonna fly.
Where's everyone's break even point here? I'm in the 20-30 camp (I'd stomach 20 if we got resource storage, but I'd be tickled with 30 + resource storage and closer to content with just plain 30).
Let's get that goin'.
Having said that, I'm really hoping we get more than that.
And that, be exactly what I'm worried about.
Meh, 10 slots is just too little unless the purchasable ones are really cheap and in-game currency only which we all know they will be neither cheap nor in-game currency.
actually no... i am a major altitis guy. to the point that i have a second account JUST for inviting alts into sg. they disabled that a long time ago, theres a message "unable to find character" or "character not found" or sum such when you try to send an sg invite to Altsname@global
Really? I invited an alt just a few weeks ago and it worked fine.
On topic, 10 slots does feel a bit thin, but I disagree that it's more convenient to go to a mailbox. Hideouts can be accessed anywhere, so you can trade stuff without needing to go to a mailbox. Still, do wish there were more than 10 slots. 20-30 would be nice.
d'oh.
I'm not-really-optimistic-at-all cautiously optimistic that it did nooot just go live with 10 slots.
I'm definately expecting to be disappointed that it did.
well, patch notes - doesn't say 10, but if 10 is on the PTS and it's going live tonight, I think we all know what that means based on previous behavior.
KotH was removed as the build was a live candidate. It will return with the next build for more testing.
The target markers "circles" were meant to be exclusive to KotH. I want to target a fix for the next patch 8/8. The feedback so far has been unanimous.
The shared bank will have 10 slots at launch. I will look into resource storage. Additional free slots are not off the table either. Additional slots are in packs of 10.
Additional functionality for Hideouts will be added in the coming weeks. There has been a ton of great feedback that we have reviewed. Keep in mind some things will be reserved for larger Hideout updates while others will be straight forward.
Your feedback is always appreciated.
You do realize that your players are telling you that 10 slots is absolutely useless?
Slightly more comforting, though I'm just a little disappointed that it sounds like additional free slots are just being discussed about additions, and aren't a sure thing at this point. I appreciate the matter going into review, but given the sheer amount of feedback that's been saying 10 isn't going to fly, just having it a possibility of seeing an increase blows. Though I appreciate that the amount of time it was up may not have been enough to get it in for sure at launch.
Would've been nicer to see the launch delayed a bit, though.
The PVP circles thing... even just in KotH, can we get a bit more discussion on why they got added in? I didn't really have much of an issue targetting people on the other team (beyond the pet targetting issue, which is another matter altogether and one I don't expect being talked about here; Would be nice though) in any other PVP map, and it doesn't look like KotH offers any particular change in differences of scale that would make it uniquely necessary there.
Looking forward to hearing more about what kind of stuff is planned for hideouts, though. :U Don't mean to be too harsh here, but kind of bummed in general over this.
With that said, there is a huge disconnect between the account wide banks on PTS and what I would consider reasonable. For me, the account wide bank should start at one full page (40-50 slots), and each additional page should cost about 80 CP, for a total of 10 pages. That's 800 CP I would happily spend.
Ten pages of 50 slots would only bring the account wide bank on par with SG banks that can be made for free.
Other demands are that both the hideout and Ren center should both have access to all three of personal bank, account wide bank, and SG bank.
Maybe this account wide storage is not targetted at my demographic, and that's OK, I don't have any pressing need for Bind on Equip storage. If you want to sell me 10 slots at a time, it had better be BoP storage (expanding character banks, I'm not referring to the more radical suggestion to allow BoP item swapping), and even then 80 CP is about the most I would pay for 10 slots unless they were magical accessible-from-anywhere slots or had other special properties.
Hideout/shared storage is a fail.
Epic fail.
Not much more to say.
I think the idea behind shared slots isn't to give you just another bank tab. My 40s all have full bank slots, but honestly... what good would another 50 slots do you in a shared bank? If you're that desperate for more space, why not just make a new alt as a bank mule and mail them everything?
I can't say 10 slots is optimal, because it's not really enough for any kind of permanent storage, but as a way to quickly transfer things around alts? Yeah, I could see getting some use out of it, especially if we get resource transfers. People keep saying it's easier to mail your stuff, but if the hideouts let you not have to mail it, I'd much rather skip a step and take the easy route.
I was hoping for actual shared storage. I've got 12 level 40's and a half dozen in the 32 to 34 range. I have one character who stores blue items from the level 8-39 range and another that stores serpent lantern elite gear - I keep items in storage that I think an alt will eventually want to use (as the level, retcon, whatever). Right now this is a massive pain because there's no way to easily check whether an item I have stored is better than an item a character is wearing. I've tried to resort to spreadsheets but even that is a hassle due to the naming convention of items.
I'm glad you're making the hideouts have more functionality (I've bought 3 of them so far, plus my "free" one) but find that I rarely go to any of them (mainly just to visit the tailor). Having useful shared storage would totally change that (and would result in buying more hideouts - as of now, I can't see purchasing any more of them despite their cool looks).
Also, I appreciate that you want to reserve some functionality for supergroup bases, but I just don't have any desire to join one - have had enough guild drama in other MMO's. One of the things I like most about CO is that there's no particular advantage or pressure involved in guild membership - I really hope you don't move in the direction of requiring SG membership to get really useful functionality.
This.
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I think the account bank should follow along the lines of the regular bank where Gold members can purchase slots with Influence (globals) and not need to use the C-Store at all to "max out" their Account bank slots.
Have you ever used a personal SG bank to share items between your alts? By "personal" I mean the SG exists just for the sake of the bank, not for socializing, the members are just your characters. This personal SG bank gives 100s of slots for sharing items between characters.
I resolved to remain silent until this was confirmed. Since it is now confirmed I must state my opinion.
An Account Bank should never be envisioned with increasing the difficulty for a player to transfer items to themselves, but to help ease the hassle of mailing various items to yourself, switching to the toon that needs the items, rinse and repeat. What you have effectively done with this shortsighted decision is to reinforce that the mailing system that is in place now is better than what you intend to sell to your customers and call it "Increased Functionality" and there is an expectation that your players will merely accept that?
One of the most commonly asked things in Zone chat is "Can you send money to yourself?" and the answer is no, you can't. The plan for account banks should have taken that request into consideration from the start... not as an afterthought.
It would be a wonderful idea to be able to access your personal bank from your hideout as well, but that hasn't been discussed, has it? And if it has not been discussed, why hasn't it been talked about? If it has been talked about, then why was it rejected and not implemented?
There are many suggestion threads for the hideouts... I suspect they exist because the hideouts have been a very lucrative item for the game. But something that your player base has been asking you to implement for a very long time is not open to our input. Many people have indicated that 10 slots will not be enough and those people have offered reasons why it isn't enough. These reasons offered should be listened to and taken seriously.
I can tell you that a good deal of faithful devotees to Champions are getting restless and are unhappy with what they see... I am not saying all, so those of you that are totally happy and content need not tell me that I do not speak for you because I already know that.
I have been looking forward to these account banks since the announcement and now I am apathetic and ambivalent to their implementation at all because it merely increases the time I would spend doing transfers with what already is in game at this point. Please, reconsider these decisions.
Concurred with and /signed
It's nice to know that the largest feature we were looking forward to is a massive dud. I guess I'll continue to only purchase costume-related content. Saves me loads of money.
We're your loyal customers, Gold and Lifetimers. We don't want to feel flogged by you. I understand that for Silver players, buying storage is part of the deal, but for Golds and Lifetimers, not so much.
10 slots, as has been pointed out already, is the equivalent of two mails. It is not enough.
"Additional functionality" that is more cumbersome, and more inefficient than an already existing functionality? What were you thinking?
Again, please reconsider this.
- people in general like the idea of shared bank slot
- but want to negotiate a better deal
Store money, unlock extra slots with ingame activites (globals, perks, gold status, veteran) and so on.
They really just had to take a look on the shared bank of Everquest 2 or of Aion .. thats the way it should be.
Of course .. if i think about EQ2 .. they could also just give us 10 slots, but let us drop bags into these slots
You should have known better. This is cryptic. They missed the chance of making hideouts worth using for a lot of people. I wonder what we'll get next for hideouts?
Ah come on .. they also had some nice ideas .. for example using crafting mats directly from the bank .. thats
a feature i never saw in any other MMO
Well considering that we got facepalmed this hard with something we wanted so badly for hideouts I'm not really interested in anything else they add to them. Eh ill just stick to costume packs till I see otherwise.
How many alts do you have? A few? Half dozen? Then a "personal SG bnak" would be fine.
But there are a LOT of people here with dozens and dozens of alts. A single SG bank as "shared space" between them isn't enough. I've got alts in about 12 different SG's with a friend of mine. By and large, he and I are the only players with characters in those SGs (there are a handful of others, but they either don't play the game anymore or don't play those characters).
Our SG banks have become multi-purpose (or otherwise would be chaos) - one SG bank for crafted travel mats, one for weapon power replacers, one for items level 1 - 17, another 17 - 24, etc. In essence, our SG banks aren't just for "extra" stuff, but quality items that new alts (or SG members) will be able to use when they hit a certain level. The more we can catalog these items (not just by "Primary Offense" but by "Dex Build," "Strength/Con Build," etc. the more valuable and easier to use the bank becomes.
Trying to properly catalog and place items in the corresponding SG bank is a minor nightmare. We looked forward to the shared bank slots not as storage, but like a Wells Fargo truck, to help us move large quantities of items between specific banks. I think, based on response here, a LOT of people did.
10 slots doesn't help. If I pick up some nice Blood Moon blue items that I know will be good for another character, it will stlll be simpler to "mail" them. The mail terminals are convenient and don't require loading other instances. If I have 10 items, I send three mails. The shared slots would have to be considerable more to offset the inconvenience of logging in a character, then logging them into the hideout, then logging BACK to MC to go to the bank - 3 trips PER CHARACTER per 10 slots.
Nah, sorry, but we'd be in the exact same boat with NO shared bank slots than having just 10. 10 shared slots is like... being told we're now getting the key to the city in Vibora Bay just like we have the key to MC, when the key to the city does NOTHING. How about a second Foxbot IOU? It would be the same as getting free blue items titled Scrap of Paper with no stats or effects. We'd have it, but it has no value, perceived or otherwise.
RoBoBo, I like the Cryptic devs. They seem passionate about their work and I do see more general interaction with their fans compared to my years of EQ2. Having said that, this quoted comment is really making me want to point and laugh at you.
1) No money transfers? It's a complete pain to buy tons of 2g vendor crafting material pieces, which I would normally mail to an alt and sell back to the vendor. Now I could get a "vanity" personal guild, but that would prevent all of my characters from joining a "real" guild. Considering that this is an alt focused MMO, I consider this stance to be even more rediculous.
2) From my EQ2 perspective, Shared Bank slots were very useful. We could use the Shared coin slot on the bank to transfer funds between characters on a single account. The Shared Bank item slots could let us shift our Bind to Account on Pick Up items to our alts. (This factor wouldn't apply in CO.) It also become the main place to store all of your crafting materials. Even if we get a standard Bank sized "Crafting Materials Only" bank added to the Hideouts, there's would be a real draw towards buying access to a Hideout.
10 Shared Bank slots are basically worthless. If you added the money transfer option, then they would mean something. Adding additional crafting material storage tabs would be even better. Yet in its current state, I really can't see the point of a Hideout (unless you wanted a lag free Tailor).
Yes, I've bought every Moon Base package released thus far. It fits my personal sense of style. But that's just a pure vanity angle with no functionality. If you want to sell more Hideouts to Silver players, then you need to offer something more.
Don't worry, I agree with you. In the context of what you quoted, I was responding to someone who was defending 10 slots as not useless. The reason I asked "have you ever had a personal SG bank", is because a personal SG bank makes 10 slots look like a joke, not because I think a personal SG bank solves all storage problems forever - mine is full too.
Adding yet another short term cash-grab into the game is disappointing. You clearly designed the shared bank feature in such a way that the 10 slots are an advertisement for what you envision as the fully featured x10 sized shared bank. So now instead of giving the fully featured bank to your MONTHLY SUBSCRIBERS(you know, the people already paying 15 bucks a month), you're chargining them more. Grats, way to **** off your customers. This is yet another cycle of dev time where you've done nothing to increase the value of a gold sub, so grats there too.
In general, we aren't happy with the shared bank.
2- STILL laughing (and crying) over 10 slot "shared bank" (merely awkward, multiple loading extra mailing space)