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PTS Update (8/30): FC.20.20110819.3
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FC.20.20110819.3 Patch Notes
General Gameplay:
Canada
Desert
Demonflame
Hideouts
Monster Island
Known Issues (Please write in red text when submitting bugs to this thread so issues are easier to find.):
General Gameplay:
- King of the Hill has been removed for the time being.
Canada
- Undead on Arrival: Rictus should now properly respawn at his spawn point when trained too far away.
Desert
- Uranium canisters no longer explode after being diffused.
Demonflame
- The Demon Key no longer tries to return to the beginning of the Lethargy and Despair Tower after combat.
Hideouts
- Shared Banks (New!): All hideouts now have banks that are shared among all your characters.
Monster Island
- Remote Access: Robot should now respond properly.
- Robo Crop: Broken Onslaught Power Core is once again acquirable.
- Robo Crop: Players can no longer acquire all robot parts from the same broken Battledroid.
Known Issues (Please write in red text when submitting bugs to this thread so issues are easier to find.):
- Known issues will be posted here.
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EDIT: 10 slots ?!?
Sorry shared bank slots, I want to see other people
No wait... damn.
Anyways - yay, finally! Now if there's just enough space in this bank...
Feedback regarding that:
The post-effects were much better than the first incarnation. The fact that there's still a lockout timer is annoying at best. Still no destructibles for Telekinetics and Super Strong heroes. There should be at least 1 Titanic weight-class object to make Brou happy.
I hope so, but doubt it
No, bound items are still bound. But you won't need to send stuff to yourself anymore through the mail. Unbound items can be accessed by all characters. It will not let you place bound items in storage.
Also, it's only 10 spaces.
I'm sure the delay in hideout bank rollouts was partially due to the time it took them to prevent any such unwanted transfers.
This brings to mind various issues that have been prominent in the early days of this branch/trunk of patches, but since re-attempting to log in to the character can load the location successfully, and I don't know if this is a malfunction or an expected behavior of some server balancing/priority mechanism, I'm posing a question to better understand for future reporting.
10 slots? I assume the purchased slots are 10 too?
That is 2 emails to myself.....
10 slots isn't enough to bother loading into the hideout. They remain a fluff addition for players who are mainly concerned with fluff (of which there are admittedly a great many).
The hideouts have such anemic functionality that I don't use mine at all, and I will not be purchasing any of the hideouts until such a time as they have sufficient functionality to at least spare me a trip to Ren Center.
while i applaud cryptic for 1- bringing more functionality to hideouts in order to increase their actual play value and, 2- attempting to give the players a feature that they have pretty much insisted on for many moons.
i have this to say.
10 is ridiculously low. as previously stated by others a simple email or two or many is MUCH more efficient at transfering items than a 10 slot shared bank. paying to expand on this number will likely get the result of a huge percentage of players ignoring this feature and simply sticking to tried and true methods already in game of item and cash transfer..... i know i probably will.
myself (and many others i am sure) were expecting AT LEAST as large as your primary backpack slot, if not larger (30-40 is probably the range we were shooting for). if it was this size and the additional slots were 1- sufficiently sized and 2- fairly cheap, then I for one would snap them up to maximum allowed size pretty quick (i have MANY toons, and an easy and abundant method of item and cash transfer is premium for me). but at 10??!? slots you wont be recieving any money from me for shared storage. i will simply (as mentioned previously) use my other methods.
i HOPE that you will reconsider the size of shared storage, and if not, then at least make the purchaseable slots cheap and plentiful.
I sure as hell hope its a bug
Not being able to transfer Bound items is not a bug. AFAIK, most of the quest rewards in the entire game are BoP, but more importantly, have NO level requirement attached to them. Can you imagine the imbalance of being able to transfer level 40 quest rewards to a level 1?
Honestly, I don't know why the devs don't want us to transfer cash to our alts, and I agree with your thoughts here. The players 'in the know' either buy crafting goods (which you can sell for 100% of the purchase cost) and mail them off, or they get tossed into the moneyholder's Supergroup, at which point YOU CAN DEPOSIT CASH for them to grab.
So, yes... Why can't we toss money in there?
Finally - 10 items is pathetically low. I understand what you're trying to do here - make it some number that makes us want to purchase for real money 'expansion slots', but it's not going to work. Again, as before, it's FAR easier, cheaper, AND faster to just use a Supergroup to hold items you want to transfer back and forth. And as a bonus, it'll hold money. Or, again, just mail the items to yourself at no cost or time whatsoever.
I assumed that we would have access to our regular bank from our hideouts with an extra tab that was 'shared'.
10 slots leaves me a little underwhelmed. As others have said it's still much quicker to just do everything from Ren Centre and via mail or SG vault.
I'd like to have it, but honestly I do not expect it for your reason among others. However, for the rest of my "bug", I am completely serious and it really does need to change, like you and others have said many times already.
If they give us access to the bank slots in the hideout. I could live with it.
I get what folks are saying about Bound items and not being able to hideout bank them but TBH that's the old argument against BoP rewards, not really an issue with the hideout bank and yes I'm against BoP I just see no reason for putting Bound items into a Hideout bank.
Has anyone checked these against different hideouts yet, I.E. deposit in Moonbase, collect from Mom's basement?
I suspect I'll end up getting v.lazy. Bags full in Westside - To the Hideout!
I also doubt we'll see access to our MC bank slots from the hideout.
Just join an SG. Then you have more slots to move stuff around as well as the ability to move money from toon to toon. If you're antisocial, just talk 4 people into joining long enough to make your own SG and talk one of them into inviting all your alts in.
So, ya, Cryptic, why exactly are you giving players a weak and annoying version of something that can already be done in game with tons more storage as well as cash transfer?
I'm not sure what you mean by "most of the quest rewards in the entire game", as far as them not having a level requirement, and would be a significant problem if we could trade to lower level alts...? Could you give some examples? An item that fits your description does not come to mind for me, in all honesty, and I don't know if it is a just a matter of my recollection or perhaps a misinterpretation of your statement.
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To be clear, I do not dispute that Cryptic has no apparent intent to allow trading bound items at this time, as the message you get seems clear, I just don't see the situation ending up as you describe if even the majority of Bound items could be traded.
This is not from a perspective of a strong conviction that I should be able to swap around any and all Bound items, but from a perspective in that I currently have trouble picturing the point of the Account Bank feature in Hideouts without the ability to do so, and that there are many mission rewards that seem to lack value as vendor fodder, which they often are without the ability to do this. I don't mean to sound negative, and there are other ways this opinion on the feature could change, but it is my impression of it as currently implemented.
I do think that:
As things stand, I think most things that end up being bound really are just generically tradeable loot, just not actually tradeable even between chars on the same account, and worse than the "loot" that is tradeable (Adventure Pack/Comic Series)...I think this is a problem, but I don't think it is the problem that is being described here as a reason to prevent some form of Bound item sharing in the Hideout Bank...?
Also, perhaps past player discussion on ideas like Account-bound versus Character-Bound items should be considered, if that is not the case already.
EDIT: NM, read the rest of the thread :mad:
10 Slots
Sending a pile of items via e-mail functions as such:
Open e-mail at UNTIL kiosk
While you have items to send: Send an e-mail with the items to be sent. Open another e-mail, rinse and repeat.
Log out
Log in with new char
Open all those emails and accept the items one after another.
the login and out takes a fair period of time, each individual e-mail can be written fast, accepting them is increadibly fast.
Sending a pile of items via 10 slots of storage can be hideously long if you have more then 10 items to transfer, it would be like this:
Stick items in storage.
Log out
log in other character
take items
log out
log in first character
stick items in storage
log out
log in other char
take items from storage...
Those repeat relogs increase the time involved considerably. I can easily get a considerable sum of items that need to be moved about, 10 isn't going to cut it.
Actually the fact that it's only 10 slots makes it less efficient than mail.
And the fact that it's 10 slots and less efficient than unity mail makes the whole bank a waste. There's still no point in loading up the hideout multiple times when you can log characters in and out in front of the mailbox multiple times much faster.
The next step will probably be for them to disable item mailing.
My thoughts as well.
And for Monster Island or Lemuria it's going to make life a lot easier.
Gotta admit that I'm cautiously pessimistic about additional slot prices though.
Disabling item mailing will remove the easiest way of sending items to other players - I cannot imagine they would do this.
Also,
TK Burst R3 bug is still not fixed. Hit effects play on casting character, not on the target.
Because Quest Reward loot doesn't have a level requirement (as it's assumed you're of that level when you get it), that means that without the BoP tag, it could be traded to a level 1 character and have them equip it.
Just imagine a level 1 character with 200 Dex. Yes, diminishing returns would cap just how high your crit chance would be, but it would still be FAR beyond what the devs expected. You'd be at 40% easily.
Just imagine a level 1 character with 200 Con. Now you suddenly have 3000 more HP (assuming 1 Con=15HP) than you should have at level 1. That makes a HUGE difference at that level. Not to mention PvP.
Just imagine a level 1 character with one of those 5% chance of doing X damage items. At level 40, those are in the 1500HP range. That would totally screw up PvP at the very least.
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And I realized something - the Hideout Storage seems to be designed for SILVER players, not us Golds. That's why it's so limited. It's designed around not having much storage to begin with (as you only get 1 bank slot and 1 inventory slot without paying real money), not Golds who have 4 inventory slots, 4 bank slots, and a SG on the side just for themselves.
That's why we're all upset here - we're all Golds/Lifetimers, and we were expecting tons of free inventory slots. This is designed for the Silver players.
It's not a bug. There is a very clear message that pops up when you try and place a bound item in there. And that makes sense. Why would you need to globally store something that is only usable by one character. Even if you could, placing it in there would not unbind it, so what would be the point. The fact that most of the gear in game is BoP is a whole other issue until itself.
About the only thing that 10 individual spaces would be useful for are those people who attempt to mail themselves items purchased in the C-Store and send them to someone else.
Personally, I was expecting the exact same thing that we get for the bank that we have now. You get the first tab free and then need to pay extra in game resources to acquire additional tabs. This is total UI functionality, there are no FX or costume designers working on this. There is no need to make a profit on this. I am utterly repulsed at the fact that we would actually need to purchase these from the C-Store. Because all that is is greed and not giving a **** about the customers who have requested this for so long and then just outright blatantly ******** on them.
Damn. You know you messed up when you ****ed Lohr off.
I would honestly like to hear some rationale behind why we only get 10 slots. Who honestly thought that when players clamored for "Account Wide Banking" that they were only requesting 10 slots? Seriously? Someone is not thinking things all the way through.
Personally I think Cryptic is just doing a swell job of compiling their new features list. It's like somewhere between the forum and the development team desk a page or two is just tossed into the shredder, so we get stuff like "PvP Targeting Enhancement Circles" and 10 slot account banks.
You can invite your alts yourself .. characters here don't have to be online to be invited
Now, I'll wait till actual launch on live to make comments.
But if indeed it's 10 slots, yes, crappy deal, I'll continue to mail myself.
I'm getting tired of it. It's a very fine line they are walking and they are starting to teeter to the 'are you for real' side. I said last night that CO is giving me a headache, but that's mostly from me banding my head against a desk. I've played CoX for something like 5 years and I have never raged about any game more than I have raged about CO. So much potential and every month it slowly goes down the drain.
I don't know, maybe it's that I am passionate about this game and maybe it's some part of me that's the business woman, but sometimes I really just do not get the line of thinking.
Months and months and months...can we have account wide banking. Sure. BAM! 10 slots.
Yes, we have tons of other ideas for other travel powers. BAM! Heroic Flight.
It showed the amount of money that my particular character had, but I did not see a way to transfer any of it in there.
Yeah, that's what I saw too.
Yep. I have that now though, I was hoping for something a little more convenient. It looks like it'd actually be quicker to stay in Ren Center and mail myself stuff.
I do prefer Vibora Bay, it has all the advantages of Ren Cen, on a smaller surface, bank and UNTIL terminal close to the crafting shops. (And at least, I don't get random duel invites...)
I was being a bit sarcastic about that part. It's a feature that would be easily abused, but I just wanna transfer some BoP gears to characters who can use it!
But yeaaaah. C'mon Cryptic. You can weasel out of this by saying it's an early version of what'll go Live even if you intended for us to get only ten slots. We'll do the whole winkwinknudgenudge routine for you. Accidentally give us 40 slots with the ability to purchase more? Gasp! Ability to store/transfer resources? Double gasp!
*winks and nudges awkwardly*