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Death Rattle predictions and reactions

For those more in touch with the lore of Champions I'm wondering what guesses people have on where the plot is headed. But aside from that, I'm just glad to see some of the attention to detail made with this one mission and what that could mean for the ongoing. It feels like an actual plot instead of just filler, even if (or especially because?) it isn't about the end of the world.
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  • stratluverstratluver Posts: 208 Arc User
    Empyrean's are behind what's happening right now. Later we'll find out Dr. Destroyer was REALLY pulling the strings all along.

  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 15,380 Arc User
    In the end we'll have visited all the former crafting instances and we'll realize the entire point of the quest chain was to make players go to those places so they know where they are.
  • nbkxsnbkxs Posts: 568 Arc User
    I'm sure it's leading up to the fixed destroyer, and maybe with some updated rewards this time around so people can bother doing it again.
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  • bluhmanbluhman Posts: 2,283 Arc User
    it's qliphoth.
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  • chaosdrgnz43chaosdrgnz43 Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    The clue we have so far is the pearl. Although, the color scheme of the malvan magic gaunlets were similar to lemurian power armor. That and the pearl make me guess Lemurians have something to do with it.

    But since it is purple, it wouldn't surprise me if the grapejuice realm was in on it.
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    edited July 4
    We just got the purple Power Pearl. It's about of 6 "pearls". It's all about Infinity Pearls....
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  • someguywhoplaysgamessomeguywhoplaysgames Posts: 1,706 Arc User
    edited July 4
    All sorts of interesting, nay, intriguing theories are sure to manifest over the next few weeks. ;3
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  • bulgarexbulgarex Posts: 1,605 Arc User
    edited July 4
    That "magic" has even come up again in this adventure disappoints me. :(
    bluhman wrote: »
    it's qliphoth.

    Please, no more. :s
  • zamuelpwezamuelpwe Posts: 653 Arc User
    While part of me is disappointed in it being magic, I'm relieved and intrigued since it's being used to power mechanical gauntlets. It doesn't feel like it's a lead in to everyone's favorite alphabet soup dimension which is where magic plots turn me off.
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  • ealford1985ealford1985 Posts: 3,108 Arc User
    Maybe the pearls can be turned into a necklace 😏
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,210 Arc User
    Maybe the pearls can be turned into a necklace 😏
    Are we talking about the ZZTop song, or more something Gravitar would like to wear? ;)

    That could spin into a really long series. First we have to stop her getting all the pearls for the Infinity Necklace, then all the sequins for the Infinity Sheer Top, all the diamonds for the Infinity Studded Belt, and finally prevent her from accessorizing with the Infinity Tiny Purse, lest she assemble the Nightclub Outfit of Doom!!!
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  • hotfrostwormhotfrostworm Posts: 22 Arc User
    Maybe "Death Rattle" is just a heavy metal screamo band that will perform at the 10th anniversary in place of Sapphire?
  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    bulgarex wrote: »
    That "magic" has even come up again in this adventure disappoints me. :(
    bluhman wrote: »
    it's qliphoth.

    Please, no more. :s

    Isn't it all magic, really, in the Champions Universe?
  • barebones#2880 barebones Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited July 14
    Witchcraft does the whispering spell which destroys all magic in the universe, Game Over!
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  • andondarkmoreandondarkmore Posts: 428 Arc User
    Maybe their "backer" got ahold of my Character's Arcane powered power-armor and managed to mass produce it and are testing the different components using the gang.

    That is the last time I leave my power armor at the West Side Cleaners.
  • bulgarexbulgarex Posts: 1,605 Arc User
    edited July 6
    bluhman wrote: »
    it's qliphoth.
    bulgarex wrote: »
    That "magic" has even come up again in this adventure disappoints me. :(
    bluhman wrote: »
    it's qliphoth.

    Please, no more. :s

    Isn't it all magic, really, in the Champions Universe?

    Within what Champions Online has chosen to emphasize from the tabletop game's lore, pretty much. In that lore itself, most emphatically not. Yes, the rise in "ambient magic" in the modern era resulted in the "loosening" of the laws of physics that permits the development of super-technology, superhuman genetic mutations, psionics, ch'i-wielding martial arts, and all the many possible sources of comic-book superpowers. But none of those things are magical or utilize magic. "Magic" is just an enabling device for the change to superhuman, the way other settings use "cosmic energy" or "quantum flux" or any other handwavium excuse.

    Actual wielders of magic, whether spell casters or supernatural beings, are the minority in the official CU. But all that diversity is just languishing.
  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    Pretty sure the finale will involve saving Reggie the cat. It will also come with a promise that Personal Growth Magnifiers will be available for the 20th anniversary.
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  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 6,636 Arc User
    It feels like the kind of plot where the final supervillain will be revealed to be manipulated by Elder Worms.

    Then again, it could be a call back to Resistance with the inclusion of magi-tech and the desire for cash...either way I'm sure the next mission will give us some more background to play with.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,550 Arc User
    It feels like the kind of plot where the final supervillain will be revealed to be manipulated by Elder Worms.

    Then again, it could be a call back to Resistance with the inclusion of magi-tech and the desire for cash...either way I'm sure the next mission will give us some more background to play with.
    Yeah it feels like humans adapting "exotic" materials to more mundane uses.
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  • I'm hoping it is the conclusion to the Crowns of Krim plotline, so we can finally put all the magic stuff to bed.
  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 6,636 Arc User
    edited July 7
    I'm hoping it is the conclusion to the Crowns of Krim plotline, so we can finally put all the magic stuff to bed.

    This would definitely be a nice and welcome addition.

    Would be good to see the others.

    I know the following are mentioned in game:

    - Bloodstone (NPC - Qliphothic Portal mission in Downtown)
    - Temblor (Text only)
    - Force (Text only)
    - Phoenix (NPC - Lair on Monster Island)
    - Dark Seraph (Text only)
    - Eclipse (NPC - Lair in Canada)
  • flyingfinn wrote: »
    We just got the purple Power Pearl. It's about of 6 "pearls". It's all about Infinity Pearls....
    :#

    Inevitable reference to Endgame. I wonder if the next pearl is psionic. Something Psimon would be trying to get.
  • jonsills wrote: »
    Maybe the pearls can be turned into a necklace 😏
    Are we talking about the ZZTop song, or more something Gravitar would like to wear? ;)

    That could spin into a really long series. First we have to stop her getting all the pearls for the Infinity Necklace, then all the sequins for the Infinity Sheer Top, all the diamonds for the Infinity Studded Belt, and finally prevent her from accessorizing with the Infinity Tiny Purse, lest she assemble the Nightclub Outfit of Doom!!!

    "YOU'RE NOT MY TYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Gravitar then does a sassy hand movement and she erases Millennium City

    LOL
  • hotfrostwormhotfrostworm Posts: 22 Arc User
    bulgarex wrote: »
    bluhman wrote: »
    it's qliphoth.
    bulgarex wrote: »
    That "magic" has even come up again in this adventure disappoints me. :(
    bluhman wrote: »
    it's qliphoth.

    Please, no more. :s

    Isn't it all magic, really, in the Champions Universe?

    Within what Champions Online has chosen to emphasize from the tabletop game's lore, pretty much. In that lore itself, most emphatically not. Yes, the rise in "ambient magic" in the modern era resulted in the "loosening" of the laws of physics that permits the development of super-technology, superhuman genetic mutations, psionics, ch'i-wielding martial arts, and all the many possible sources of comic-book superpowers. But none of those things are magical or utilize magic. "Magic" is just an enabling device for the change to superhuman, the way other settings use "cosmic energy" or "quantum flux" or any other handwavium excuse.

    Actual wielders of magic, whether spell casters or supernatural beings, are the minority in the official CU. But all that diversity is just languishing.

    I had this conversation way back before the first X-Men movie hit the big screen. The discussion was about Miss Marvel and how Rogue "stole" or borrowed her ability to fly. The question was how "scientifically speaking" did Miss Marvel fly? And would it really be possible to borrow that power?

    One of the earliest superheroes to fly was the man of steel, Superman by Detective Comics. But here is the real surprise. Superman didn't fly. According to his creators Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, Superman was just strong and fast. Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! He could jump high. Joe made drawings of him in mid air leaps and readers assumed he could fly. After a while there was no need to explain the "how" or "why". It was just ok if Superman or any other hero in a cape could defy gravity. Readers of comic gave birth to Superman's ability to fly. We might as well say the supers can fly by magic.

    My wife is a writer of fantasy, and on the rare occasion has written some science fiction. But she dislikes the research to explain the science behind a fictional machine and how it works. The point is, the machine cannot work, it is fictional. She likes her fantasy stories the most, her favorite thing she tells readers who ask too many questions is; "Because it is magic, duh!". She would say, you are just nit picking, the author is trying to tell a story, not trying to build you a time machine.
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    Superman willed himself to fly.
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  • bulgarexbulgarex Posts: 1,605 Arc User
    When Aristotle wrote his Poetics analyzing fictional drama, he made a distinction between what is possible in reality, and what is probable in a story. For example, if a premise of whatever story you're telling is that magic can change people into animals, it's irrelevant whether that couldn't possibly happen in real life; in the story it's probable that that could happen. But the premise needs to be applied consistently to maintain that probability. You couldn't declare that Superman flies by manipulating air molecules, and later have him fly through airless space. (Well, you could, but that would be bad storytelling.) ;)

    Science-fiction has always streamed into "hard" or "soft." Hard sci-fi attempts to ground itself in real scientific fact as it's understood at the time the story's written, and builds the story around that focus. Jules Verne was the premier pioneer in that stream. Soft sci-fi uses unreal but science-inspired and "scientific-sounding" gimmicks as a "what if..." springboard to explore the human condition in innovative ways. H.G. Wells embodied the early stage of that approach.
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,210 Arc User
    Carol "Ms Marvel" Danvers could fly because the original Capt. Mar-Vell could fly by use of his Nega-Bands, and there was an incident I only vaguely recall where someone from Kree was trying to use one of their machines to kill either Mar-Vell or Danvers but it somehow transferred the power of the Nega-Bands into Danvers' body. Rogue was born with the mutant power to "drain" the powers (and, depending on writer, sometimes skills) of others at a touch, knocking them out for a period of time whle she used the abilities; while she was still with the Brotherhood they were at one point fighting the Avengers, Rogue tried to borrow Danvers' powers, and her mutant power somehow interacted with the Kree artifact in Danvers to both put Carol into a coma and give Rogue her flight and invulnerability permanently. (Also, apparently a copy of Carol's consciousness became a permanent rider in Rogue's brain, both altering her behavior (the reason she joined the X-Men) and making her mind too confusing for a telepath to read.)

    Much later, after the events of the Siege Perilous, Rogue and Carol were mentally separated again, and Carol regained consciousness. She spent some time recovering off-Earth with the Starjammers, under the name "Binary", then returned to Earth and started back up with the Avengers as Warbird. (She also took to drinking to cope, but was shocked into seeking sobriety when, while visiting Tony Stark in Seattle, she and Tony got into a fight about the booze and she knocked him through the wing of a plane on approach to Sea-Tac, nearly killing over a hundred people. After she and Tony got the plane down, he got her to sign up with Alcoholics Anonymous - he's her sponsor.) Later, during a period when I was unable to get to comics to read them and thus don't have the specifics of the story, she decided to honor Mar-Vell's memory by taking up the name "Captain Marvel". (At the time, I think Monica Rambeau was using that name, but I imagine Carol's claim would take precedence, seeing as she actually was a captain in the USAF.)

    In the movies, of course, she can fly because she absorbed the power of one of the Infinity Stones, which have the ability to warp reality in specific ways.

    If you're looking for a scientific explanation, you're at the wrong church, pal.
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  • sannia1sannia1 Posts: 66 Arc User
    Back to the topic:

    I think it'll be the return of Talisman.

    A little hack to understand CSINCISSVUBBQWTF plots is "the highest paid guest actor is the murderer". The voice actress who voiced Ladyhawk also voiced Talisman. (Albeit she's one of Cryptic go-to actresses for generic female roles.)

    We know the villain uses magic. Also, the villain is after human money. That rules out your aliens/qlipthoth/lemurians/weird stuff. Also, they're contracting the Cobra Lords, so it's a solo act, not an organization such as Viper and DEMON, because organizations already have mooks.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,550 Arc User
    Interesting theory, but I thought Talisman was affiliated with DEMON?
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  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 6,636 Arc User
    No, Talisman is affiliated with herself and anything or one who will get her more power.

    She's not really a joiner.

    Additionally, whilst it may rule out Qlipthothic stuff...doesn't necessarily rule out aliens or lemurians or anything else. It could be that the villain tried taking something on their own terms and that failed, so it needs to amass money to buy (or get something else to kill for) that thing.

    Also it may be someone who is being manipulated by Elder Worms or some supernatural force for some reason. Equally, CU doesn't exist without the multiverse so it could be a multiversal villain who ends up being the ultimate big bad...but for now...I personally think someone may have been messing around with Lemurian/extra dimensional technology and produced something cute to distract everyone from the real plan...
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