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shaleerishaleeri Posts: 6 Arc User
Or at very least, make the ones that drop from lockboxes account bound! It feels like this is a cheap gimmick to make people buy more keys- make a cool emote, make it a rare drop from the box, and then make it only unlock for the character?! I feel seriously cheated- I don't have the money to buy enough keys to unlock the emote for ALL FIFTY BLOODY CHARACTERS on my account, and it goes on the AH for 300g- NO ONE has enough money to buy it for EVERY CHARACTER. Like. I am SERIOUSLY upset here- I have tons of characters that would use the emote, and know that I will have more characters in the future that would use it, but only the one I got it on gets to use it?!

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  • morigosamorigosa Posts: 710 Arc User
    Yup. Pretty much everyone on the forums agrees with this - I think I've seen only one or two people arguing the other way, and they're either people who argue with everything, or people who admit to having only a very few characters. (Or both.)

    Really frustrating when what was once an alt-friendly game takes yet another step away from that, but it seems to be the direction they're going.

    Only one thing you can do: boycott the character-specific emotes. If -nobody- buys or uses them, then maybe they'll get fixed.

    At least the devs have come up with a slightly better solution for their desire to have things have per-character benefits: having an option to turn in an account-wide unlock for a character-bound title. Hopefully future emotes will use that instead of the current mechanism.
  • blockwaveblockwave Posts: 329 Arc User
    Wall lean emote is sold for 50G by alot of people in zone chat, I think It's fair.(50G is nothing if you really want the emote on a character)

  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,544 Arc User
    I have 34 lvl 40s. I'm not shelling out 1700 G to equip them with something that should be account bound to begin with.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    shaleeri said:

    I don't have the money to buy enough keys to unlock the emote for ALL FIFTY BLOODY CHARACTERS on my account

    So don't. Why is it such a big deal for all your characters to be able to lean against walls? If you can define that really well then that's likely your only chance of convincing anyone in charge that this needs to be changed. Otherwise you're just arguing for cheaper Gucchi handbags.
    morigosa said:

    Only one thing you can do: boycott the character-specific emotes. If -nobody- buys or uses them, then maybe they'll get fixed.

    Issue with that is that the "everyone agrees on this" line smacks hard into reality in-game, where it quickly becomes untrue.
  • blockwaveblockwave Posts: 329 Arc User
    34 level 40s, farm smashes for 30-1hour with the ones you really want the Wall Lean and stop whining ? :)

  • shaleerishaleeri Posts: 6 Arc User
    Thing is, this was an emote I was hoping for them to make for YEARS. People in real life lean against walls all the time- if they're tired, if they're making a point, if they're in pain, if they need support to stay upright- the list goes on and on. When you're spending that much money on something, you expect to be able to use it across characters- it's not like vehicles are character bound, or costume pieces. There is absolutely no reason to make it character bound other than greed.
  • blockwaveblockwave Posts: 329 Arc User
    Like already said, 50G per character is nothing, just play 1 hour for each toons and you are good to go. Emotes don't need to be account bound, It's the same thing with auras.

  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,537 Arc User
    I agree, they should be account bound. For me, it literally means the difference between "I'm willing to do the work to get this item" vs "I'm not even going to bother with this item."​​
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  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,375 Arc User
    Yes, let's continue to shoot the finances of the game in the foot with this. Really stop with this account bound stuff. All everyone does with these self entitlement whines is continue to sabotage the game and any chances of financial boost it can get. You want it go get it, there is no excuse, none at all, that you can put up that a cosmetic item is required for all your characters.
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  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,537 Arc User
    Yes, let's continue to shoot the finances of the game in the foot with this. Really stop with this account bound stuff. All everyone does with these self entitlement whines is continue to sabotage the game and any chances of financial boost it can get. You want it go get it, there is no excuse, none at all, that you can put up that a cosmetic item is required for all your characters.
    You're being silly. Of course they aren't required, which is why I (and many others I imagine) just opt out on character-bound stuff. $0 > $1?​​
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  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,375 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    aesica said:



    You're being silly. Of course they aren't required, which is why I (and many others I imagine) just opt out on character-bound stuff. $0 > $1?​​

    You opt out of account stuff anyways, so your hyperbole of many others (which going by how many people use wall lean) seems to be well on the side of false. But you tend to use hyperbole for most of your examples so it's not exactly unexpected. But it is amusing to that majority of you want new, big things for Champs but don't want to pay for it. I guess some day, whenever I come to your place of business I should ask you do work for me but not be paid for it either.
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  • jonesing4jonesing4 Posts: 800 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    It's not the same as wanting free stuff, at all. It's like they're running a burger joint, and charging people $1 apiece for fries. I'm willing to buy your burger, but I don't want fries at that price. "Then don't buy the fries," someone was already typing in the reply box. And that's fine, and obvious, of course I won't buy the fries. But it's a shitty way to eat a burger, and a dumb way for you to run your business.

    If "gouging people on nice-but-not-necessary items, prying huge profits out of unhappy customers' grimy hands one dollar at a time" is really the business model that puts CO over the top, I'll write a letter of apology. Until then, I haven't heard a good argument for why these are a good idea.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    Thing is, people will open the lockbox for other stuff, and will get the emote. They'll get multiple copies of the emote and slap it up on the AH. So, as much as you want to super srs boycott it and say "no money from me!", that's fine because someone else will spend money on cosmic keys and open the boxes for other stuff that's in there. Since the emotes will be up on the exchange you'll be free to change your mind if you ever decide that your boycott is silly.

    Also remember, they don't notice when you don't buy stuff. They only notice when nobody buys stuff, or if nobody opens a lockbox ( or if those numbers are so low as to be alarming ), and that's just clearly not the case. Your protests are going largely unnoticed because while you may like to imagine that here on the forum all but 2 people are vehemently agreeing with you, in game people don't care and are buying keys and opening lockboxes in large enough numbers to make your protest moot.

    Long story short, you can think up all the best reasons to post on the forum you want... but ultimately the population at large determines if this continues. So far, the majority has spoken, and what they've said is "We're okay with it."
  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,375 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    jonesing4 said:

    It's not the same as wanting free stuff, at all. It's like they're running a burger joint, and charging people $1 apiece for fries. I'm willing to buy your burger, but I don't want fries at that price. "Then don't buy the fries," someone was already typing in the reply box. And that's fine, and obvious, of course I won't buy the fries. But it's a shitty way to eat a burger, and a dumb way for you to run your business.



    If "gouging people on nice-but-not-necessary items, prying huge profits out of unhappy customers' grimy hands one dollar at a time" is really the business model that puts CO over the top, I'll write a letter of apology. Until then, I haven't heard a good argument for why these are a good idea.

    Not even close to what it is like. Your characters are individual meals. You aren't going to get fries with every order unless you order them. I don't think people get that I would be willing to bet the majority of costumes that Cryptic puts on the C-Store are made at a loss, not a gain like some like to believe and hugely because of account unlocking. And yes, it boils down to wanting stuff free at this point.
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  • kamokamikamokami Posts: 1,633 Arc User
    Nope let's not. Keep it character bound please. Not every character has to have everything.
  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,537 Arc User
    You opt out of account stuff anyways, so your hyperbole of many others (which going by how many people use wall lean) seems to be well on the side of false. But you tend to use hyperbole for most of your examples so it's not exactly unexpected. But it is amusing to that majority of you want new, big things for Champs but don't want to pay for it. I guess some day, whenever I come to your place of business I should ask you do work for me but not be paid for it either.
    I don't opt out of account-wide stuff. Stop making things up. Oh and speaking of hyperbole...
    But it is amusing to that majority of you want new, big things for Champs but don't want to pay for it. I guess some day, whenever I come to your place of business I should ask you do work for me but not be paid for it either.
    Majority of who? Nobody wants to pay for it? Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

    Yeah I don't want to pay for anything in CO. That's why I'm LTS. That's why I threw a bunch of zen at keys for the Arcane Lockbox until I got the costume unlock. You know, the account-wide unlock?
    spinnytop wrote: »
    Thing is, people will open the lockbox for other stuff, and will get the emote. They'll get multiple copies of the emote and slap it up on the AH. So, as much as you want to super srs boycott it and say "no money from me!", that's fine because someone else will spend money on cosmic keys and open the boxes for other stuff that's in there. Since the emotes will be up on the exchange you'll be free to change your mind if you ever decide that your boycott is silly.
    You're confusing my lack of interest in character-bound stuff with some sort of protest boycott. If I tried to sell you a dried, hardened dog turd with googly eyes attached, you'd probably refuse, right? Is your refusal to buy it the result of some silly boycott, or a lack of interest in spending money on an item of little value to you?
    spinnytop wrote: »
    Long story short, you can think up all the best reasons to post on the forum you want... but ultimately the population at large determines if this continues. So far, the majority has spoken, and what they've said is "We're okay with it."
    It's probably more along the lines of "people don't like it, but they deal with it anyway because, despite being less of a product, it's something they really wanted (like wall lean) so they'll plug their nose and buy it for their main, and maybe even a few alts if it's cheap enough. While that might seem to make it more desirable at a glance, don't forget to factor in the group who would've pursued it had it been account-wide, but is passing on it due to being character bound.

    And remember, people generally aren't pursuing that stuff when they open lockboxes. For them, it's a booby prize.

    I can understand having character-bound crap everywhere if the CO devs decided to just stop releasing new content: "Okay guys, there's enough character-bound junk in this game to pretty much keep people busy earning it on their newly-created characters until we pull the plug. We can stop making stuff now!"

    But that's not what they're doing, is it? To their credit, new stuff has been rolling out on a fairly regular basis. New stuff in lockboxes, new stuff during events--in many cases, every week at that which is fantastic. New stuff every month for subscriber rewards. New stuff in the C-Store. New stuff as boss drops. Not everything has to be valuable forever. The fact that many things become harder to obtain once a particular lockbox gets switched out could actually be seen as a balancing factor. Referring back to the arcane mage costume set, it's still expensive as hell, despite being something many people have already unlocked for their accounts.

    - - -

    That said, account-wide stuff is fine. Certain people are just salty that their junk isn't selling on the AH like hotcakes, because they want the rest of the plebs/walking wallets/whatever to start throwing huge amounts of G at them every time they list something. If you want easy money, sell keys. If you want to open lockboxes, you're gambling on the fact that not everything is going to be valuable and booby prizes will happen.​​
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  • kamokamikamokami Posts: 1,633 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Account-bound content in general is a dumb idea in game that has few dev resources to keep releasing stuff. There is no justification for needing to have everything for every character. Especially if you're such a "poor casual".

    Sure "certain people" like to paint every perspective that opposes theirs in demeaning terms and put words into people's mouths, but no matter how much they do it...it's tough to deny the truth of the above statement based on how much character-bound stuff is coming out.

    That same stuff that they call "junk and "crap" they demand be made available for every character for minimal effort. If you want something for a character, then go and get it for them.

    "I won't bother" is a pathetic threat. Because plenty of others do bother, if the wall leans are any indication. Better yet, the devs, who have the actual numbers keep doing it....so maybe it's time to take a hint and lay the claims about what "the people" want to rest.
  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,544 Arc User
    Every time I see something that is character bound it makes me want to not spend real money on the game. I spent far less money last year in the game than any previous year because of this trend.
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  • kamokamikamokami Posts: 1,633 Arc User
    It makes me wanna spend more money because if I have a few characters that really need it, then I'm happy to buy it for each of them
  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,375 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    kamokami said:

    Better yet, the devs, who have the actual numbers keep doing it....so maybe it's time to take a hint and lay the claims about what "the people" want to rest.

    So much this.

    Account wide unlocks for so cheap, specifically, was always a mistake in Champions. The costumes take time and money to develop, for instance, and that kills things on the finance side of the game, while it murders the global market of the game on the other. Yet it's the exact same people always complaining that the auction house is worthless (gee I wonder why) because of the drops being account wide and thus less valuable in a mere fraction of the time.

    I can agree with account wide unlocks but there should have been two levels; first should have been the cheaper level that is character unlock only then a second more expensive level. There's a reason costumes are in lockboxes more and more instead of the C-Store, because of the fact they are being made at a net loss than a net gain because of account wide unlocks. And I know I don't get every last costume set and certainly not the tights sets.

    My favorite argument, of course, is that it's just a money grab. Like people think a business like Cryptic runs on well wishes and hopes and dreams and not actual finances or that the developers don't want to get paid. These people want Champions to improve but try and sabotage every potential method to help improve the game at every opportunity.
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  • jonesing4jonesing4 Posts: 800 Arc User
    So you think that those who run a business always make decisions that end up being right in the long run? That's... a fascinating view of reality.
  • kamokamikamokami Posts: 1,633 Arc User
    jonesing4 said:

    So you think that those who run a business always make decisions that end up being right in the long run? That's... a fascinating view of reality.

    No I do not always think anything.

    In this particular case, I do think their decision is better informed with actual stats and their continued investment in this direction means that it has been working.
  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    kamokami said:

    In this particular case, I do think their decision is better informed with actual stats and their continued investment in this direction means that it has been working.

    It doesn't mean that. It's simply a presumption on your part. Speaking for the marketing or finance department without having any info whatsoever on particular revenue streams is reaching.

    CO had "continued investment" in different areas.......... until it didn't. This is a new(ish) direction and none of us players know how it will play out.

    Your opinion on things that you want and why you want them is more valuable to discussions than presumptions on behind the scenes sales figures and player numbers/time played by current players.

    That counts for both sides of this discussion really. For sales/revenue/player numbers there are arguments that both sides can use.
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  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,537 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    Yeah lets hear more peoples weak and stupid arguments why these things should be character bound, its greatly amusing.
    It's always the same few noisy people, too. ;)​​
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  • soulforgersoulforger Posts: 1,649 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    blockwave said:

    Like already said, 50G per character is nothing, just play 1 hour for each toons and you are good to go. Emotes don't need to be account bound, It's the same thing with auras.

    50 x160 = 8000 Globals I would need at MINIMUM if I were to unlock this emoter for all my toons (I have more than 160, just not sure how many more). 8000 globals is no small amount. So stop thinkint "50 isn't bad." When all that does is benefit the people with one or two toons. Those with more are screwed over by this.

    Do you realize how many hours I'd need to invest into this game to make that happen?

    All your arguments so far benefit only those with few toons. But what about people like me?
  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,784 Arc User
    The Foxbaticon event will have two character bound emotes in the event vendor (Mime and Juggle).

    Let the rage begin . . .
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  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    edited March 2017

    Let the rage begin . . .

    Helpful to a discussion.

    Personally I don't really care about character bound emotes that much, I don't need them to enjoy the game as I have sufficient account bound ones already.

    I'm just glad it won't be happening to costumes. That's where the real fun of the game is for me.
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  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,537 Arc User
    The Foxbaticon event will have two character bound emotes in the event vendor (Mime and Juggle).

    Let the disappointment begin . . .
    Fixed ;)​​
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  • blockwaveblockwave Posts: 329 Arc User
    So you are telling me that you are playing 160 toons and for you, they all need ti be able to Wall Lean ? That you are doing at least 1 hour of something with all of them ? I call bullshit.

  • shaleerishaleeri Posts: 6 Arc User
    I have five pages of characters. Right now, of these characters, I have fifteen that I play actively, all of whom would have reason to use the wall lean emote. And yes, theoretically, right now you can get it in Zone for 50 G- but that's not going to last. Supply will decrease, demand will increase, and the price will go up drastically. I was hoping for this emote for a long time- ever since I started playing CO back in 2011. Sure, maybe to you it's not a big deal- but to me, it feels like an arbitrary decision, one made purely to squeeze money out of the players, and that's made me lose a lot of respect for Cryptic- respect that I 'd only recently started gaining back.
  • guyhumualguyhumual Posts: 2,397 Arc User
    Let me just say that I don't mind event emotes and auras being bound to characters, I don't like it, but I don't think it's the worst decision ever made. What I find unacceptable is lock boxes with character bound emotes in them. I think it's fine to try to add some re-play ability with character bound emotes, but it's down right sleezy to do that with items you need to spend money on
  • shaleerishaleeri Posts: 6 Arc User
    Exactly! I wouldn't mind nearly as much if it were the event ones only- sure, it'd be a little annoying, but not the end of the world.
  • soulforgersoulforger Posts: 1,649 Arc User
    blockwave said:

    So you are telling me that you are playing 160 toons and for you, they all need ti be able to Wall Lean ? That you are doing at least 1 hour of something with all of them ? I call bullshit.

    Call it what you like, its the truth.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Hey, if someone with 160 toons wants to log in with each of them every day and do the wall lean emote for ~8 minutes that's their business.
  • dialamxdialamx Posts: 940 Arc User
    My personal opinion is that there should only be 3 things that are account bound. Costume pieces, Power unlocks, and Emotes.
    Vehicles, Devices, Items, Equipment, Enhancements, Sidekicks, and any form of currency box (questionite crates, event currency bundles from the Drifter store, etc.) Should all be Character bound.

    Having only 3 items as account bound should not severely damage the game's income. If it does, maybe make them account bound for subscribers only, and character bound for free players.
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  • dialamxdialamx Posts: 940 Arc User
    gradii said:


    There are successful games with much much more account bound stuff than that.

    Oh, I know. That's why I don't understand the argument of "If emotes are account bound, CO will suffer monetarily."
    Sure some people want everything account bound, but not everyone does. That's why I feel Costumes, Powers, and Emotes should be account bound, and the game will survive.
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