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kaiserin
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Please use this thread to discuss changes made to powers for this PTS update.
Misc
New Power: Composure
New Power: Sharp Shooter
New Power: Parting Shot
Furious
New Power: Execution Shot
New Power: Showdown
New Power: Trip Wire
New Power: Flamethrower
New Power: Relentless
Scything Blade
Eviscerate
New Power: Swift Strike
Force Snap
Pistol Whip
Rocket
Steelhead Flamethrower Device
Smoke Grenade
Assault Rifle
Frag Grenade
New Power: Incendiary Grenade
New Power: Concussion Grenade
Shotgun
Minimines
Bullet Ballet
Submachinegun Burst
Gatling Gun
Burst Shot
Breakaway Shot
Killer Instinct
Concentration
Holdout Shot
Two Gun Mojo
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Misc
- Fixed R3 Condemn from spouting presents on full charge.
- Ego Blade Breach's sound fx for Rank3 will no longer paly Medusa's voice lines.
- Reduced Gunslinger's Legacy device cooldown to 60 seconds (from 180) and corrected its tooltip.
- Neuroelectric Pulse Generator device can now be colored.
- Updated Nanomachine Pheromone's placate to not use the old version of the effect.
- All munitions powers should now work with the Ascii mod.
- Fixed a bug where Mechanical Monstrosity, Implosion Engine, Meltdown, Fire All Weapons, Showdown, Mind Link, Manipulator and Concentration did not count towards power count total for the purpose of unlocking new tiers of powers.
- Fixed a bug where rank 2 and 3 of Chilled Form could detoggle itself.
- Cut dependencies on many weapon replacers. What this means is many munitions based weapon replacers will no longer update their effects with any munitions power changes.
- Slightly increased Soul Beam's damage.
- Fixed a bug where Force Geyser lost its Hard Landing advantage.
- Fixed a bug where Blazing Speed would backflip.
New Power: Composure
- Munitions offensive passive.
- Gives bonus damage to all technology powers.
- Small dodge/avoidance boost.
- Scaling knock resistance.
- Gain energy when you dodge an attack. This effect has a higher internal cooldown and smaller amount than other passive energy gains.
New Power: Sharp Shooter
- Munitions form toggle.
- Scales off of Dexterity.
- Gain a stack whenever you gain/refresh a Furious stack or critically hit a target while furious.
New Power: Parting Shot
- Reverse Lunge. Knocks targets away.
- Advantage: Changes this power into a threat wipe.
Furious
- Lowered the amount of stacks Furious can have to 3.
- Willpower can no longer stack.
- Increased amount Willpower heals.
- Increased Furious duration to 12 seconds.
New Power: Execution Shot
- Deals increased damage versus low health targets.
- New Advantage: If you defeat an enemy you get 3 stacks of Furious.
- New Advantage: Applies fear to targets around your primary target.
New Power: Showdown
- Technology Ultimate.
- Heavy ranged cone damage.
- Roots targets in place while using.
New Power: Trip Wire
- Munitions.
- Knocks target to you.
- Has a chance to apply Disorient.
- Advantage: Open Wound
- Advantage: Stim Pack
New Power: Flamethrower
- Munitions.
- Cone fire damage. Chance to apply clinging flames every hit.
- Advantage: Chance to stun targets. Automatically stuns feared targets.
- Advantage: Increases base clinging flames chance. Guaranteed clinging flames if affected by furious.
- Has limited customization options in the tailor. It is unlikely any more will be added this patch cycle.
New Power: Relentless
- Energy Unlock
- Martial Arts Shared
- Grants energy when getting a critical hit against a wounded (bleeding, shredded) target.
- Now scales primarily with Recovery and partially with Endurance.
- Can now also trigger off of Open Wound and Deep Wound.
- Fixed a bug where Relentless was only applying to melee critical hits.
Scything Blade
- Changed to self-targeting pbaoe.
- Now has a scaling chance to apply bleeding to all non-bleeding targets. Full charge is guaranteed.
- Swallowtail Cut advantage: Now has a scaling chance to apply Swallowtail Cut to foes. Full charge is guaranteed. Against high ranking targets that Swallowtail cannot affect instead always applies a bleed regardless of charge time.
- New advantage: Knocks down targets on full charge.
- Fixed a bug where it could not deal damage.
- Changed Swallowtail cut to apply even if your target is currently bleeding.
Eviscerate
- Reduced damage and cost.
- Increased Messy's advantage cost to 2.
- Reduced the amount of time Messy refreshes the Shredded effect to 10 seconds (from 16).
New Power: Swift Strike
- Single blade single target stun.
Force Snap
- Cooldown increased to 10 seconds.
- Lowered the activation time to 0.67 seconds (from 0.83) to make it feel more responsive.
- The damage and cost on this power was redone for the new activation time.
- Added Recharge advantage.
Pistol Whip
- Fixed a bug where pistol whip was using the wrong damage multiplier.
Rocket
- Added Scorched Ground advantage. This advantage applies a flashfire pit.
Steelhead Flamethrower Device
- If you have wings they will no longer erupt into madness when using this device.
Smoke Grenade
- Smoke Grenade's advantage now changes the power into a threat wipe.
- Corrected cost of Smoke Grenade when the advantage is bought.
Assault Rifle
- Changed Assault Rifle's damage formula from escalating to maintained, meaning it now deals a flat amount each tick instead of scaling up as you maintain it.
- Moved Assault Rifle to Tier 3.
- Advantage now turns the power into a cylinder attack.
- New Advantage: Deals an extra 10% damage for every Furious stack on you.
- Fixed a bug where it was not ranking up in damage.
- Slightly increased the damage and cost.
- Fixed a bug where it was using the wrong maintain cost.
Frag Grenade
- Changed this power to deal Piercing damage over time.
- Advantage: Changed to the apply Armor Piercing debuff.
- Fixed a bug with its advantage applying shredded instead of armor piercing.
- Updated tooltip to state that it cannot critically hit.
- Added open wound advantage.
New Power: Incendiary Grenade
- Deals fire damage. Applies Clinging Flames.
- Advantage: Applies the No Quarter debuff.
- Added Scorched Ground advantage. This advantage applies a flashfire pit.
- Increased the damage and cost.
New Power: Concussion Grenade
- Deals crushing damage and knocks back targets.
- Advantage: Stuns targets instead of knocking them back.
- Added Nailed to the Ground advantage.
Shotgun
- Shotgun can now be charged.
- Knocks targets down on tap, knocks back on full charge.
- Advantage: Provides a 100% chance to knock secondary targets when they are affected by Armor Piercing. Refreshes Furious stacks.
- New Advantage: Chance to Fear targets.
- New Advantage: Now applies Armor Piercing to your primary target and has a chance to apply it to secondary.
- Fixed a bug where it was using the wrong damage multiplier at higher ranks.
Minimines
- Minimines is now considered to be melee damage.
- Changed damage typing to pure crushing.
- Added Stim Pack advantage.
Bullet Ballet
- Removed the break the trigger advantage from bullet ballet.
- All attacks are now considered melee damage.
- Adjusted damage and cost of the power. Damage is slightly higher than before.
- Added in cost decrease as you progress through the combo powers.
- Updated the tooltip to state that the power is an area effect and that it refreshes Furious stacks on the last hit.
Submachinegun Burst
- Moved to Tier 0.
- New Advantage: Refreshes Armor Piercing on targets.
- Dropped submachinegun's max target count to 3.
- Gave it a chance to apply Furious per hit instead of on full maintain.
- Lowered damage slightly, reduced cost moderately.
- Increased Furious chance to 20% (from 10%)
Gatling Gun
- Removed Furious stacking.
- Now has a chance to apply Armor Piercing every hit.
- Listen to reason advantage now has a chance to apply fear and refreshes your Furious stacks.
- In addition to its chance to apply Armor piercing, if a target is already affected by Armor Piercing, refreshes the effect.
- New Advantage: Repels targets away from you. Targets in melee range have a chance to be knocked down.
Burst Shot
- Can now be charged.
Breakaway Shot
- Now knocks down primary target and has a chance to knock down secondary targets.
- Added a 6 second cooldown.
- Microfilament Wire's range increased to 10ft (from 5ft). Guarantees knocking down secondary targets.
Killer Instinct
- Changed to match newer energy returns. Now gives energy over time instead of single bursts.
- Changed to scale with Recovery primarily and endurance partially.
- Fixed a bug where Killer Instinct did not display a buff.
Concentration
- Addressed a bug where it was not obeying its 4 second internal cooldown in between applying new stacks.
- Updated tooltip to be better explain what it does.
Holdout Shot
- Added Nailed to the Ground advantage.
Two Gun Mojo
- Removed Nailed to the Ground advantage.
- Returned back to single target.
- Close the Gap: This advantage actually capped out at 28.5% bonus damage if you were 0 ft away from a target (which isn't terribly possible). It's been adjusted to hit its 30% cap at 7ft.
- New Advantage: Turns the power into a cylinder attack.
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New Willpower gives 150 a tick. Old Willpower was 111 a tick, and stacked 3 times. Seems like a big nerf. Any chance we can get the new Willpower to at least scale with Pre and other heal bonuses?
New Power: Relentless
I was excited about this until I logged on and saw another EU that required Endurance. Why not Dex like Steadfast, or maybe even Str, which keeps getting overlooked with EUs.
Mini Mines are gettin worse and worse My Assault Riffle FF DPS is gonna rock that rank 3 AR now!
actually nevermind I didn't read it right last night
WHY is this Gimmicky Trash with Furious!? I don't like this
AR NEEDS the escalating damage like all OTHER FREAKING MAINTAIN POWERS
. . .
What's the point of this?
I don't get it, it sounds like a gimped version of steadfast
it still has the critical hit requirements but now has the wounded addition
Why would I pick this instead of steadfast? was it created to promote crossover powerframe synergy with bestial and Martial?
If it was to grand energy when attacking a wounded enemy WITHOUT the critical hit requirement i would understand since it would be good for Single Blade and Fighting Claws, but doesnt sound exciting
Oh, END focused, ok now that's interesting
and it was propably made to promote END, it's really unpopular stat
This could create some interesting NON-DEX and Focus Toggles builds
PS - do something with Breakaway Shot.
Bug
Where it happens: Anywhere
What happens: When I use Flamethrower my wings flap majestically even tho I am not flying. Seems like a fire hazard.
Bug
Where it happens: Anywhere
What happens: Flamethrower does not show a maintain bar while maintained
PS2 - Uncompromising advantage on AR seems like it's gonna be really awkward to use, especially at 100 range.
Bug
Where it happens: anywhere
What happens: I can select Relentless even if I already have an energy unlock
PS3 - can we get a damage increase on fully charged shotgun? could make it an advantage if that's needed... Fully Cocked ?
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
What exactly was the reason for this change to begin with?
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Relentless can proc off of ANY melee power. Bestial, Might, Heavy Weapons, Laser Sword... apply a bleed to a target and hit them with any of these attacks and you've got an energy builder. That's why you might pick it instead of Steadfast.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Adjust Flamethrower to have a longer range than Fire Breath if it's going to keep it's 3ft cylinder, or give it a wider area of effect
Increase Flamethrower's base damage
Add Flamethrower skin to tailor for color adjustment
Add more Flamethrower skins
Swap the icon and in-game graphic for Frag Grenade, Incendiary Grenade, and Concussion Grenade. Frag Grenade should have the "Pineapple" Grenade, Concussion should have the Smooth Grenade, and Incendiary should have the Canister Grenade
Change impact graphic between Frag and Concussion Grenade. Frag could have small bits of shrapnel in the explosion while Concussion could have a more pronounced blast wave
Normalize energy cost across Frag, Incendiary, Concussion Grenades
Frag Grenade: Cuts and Scrapes is applying Shredded instead of Armor Piercing
Concussion Grenade:Stun Grenade. Tooltip for Concussion Grenade is not updating to display Stun property
If we dont get new munition powers (especially SINGLE PISTOLS and the flamethrower) this will be dissapointing
Suggestion
1.Please make a Rifle version of Burst Shot, and it should have increased range, and it's really annoying consider Assault Riffle is 100feet while Burst Shot is 50feet
2.More single pistol powers in the future
Yes I totally want to turn my main themed Single target attack into an AoE /Sarcasm
Please clarify
Do you need to maintain Submachinegun Burst 3 times in the row to get 3 stacks?
Or is 1 stack the highest you can go with this power no matter how much you use it?
Is it currently bugged because it applies 3 stacks of furious ona single maintance? does it apply multiple stacks against multiply targets?
Because if 1 stack is the max then what's the point? IT'S A WASTE OF ADV
HOW the hell am I suppose to use Assault Riffle gimmicky furious adv if I cannot get more than 3 stacks with this power!? This makes no sense, DON'T Force me to use Gatling Gun
I don't find any reason this power shouldn't stack furious to 3 considering a certain bestial aoe combo can
and wasting power points for only 1 stack doesn't sound like a good deal I see
So despite being a MA EU, it can work with all powerframes
it was made indeed for Crossover synergy with other frameworks, thats nice
if these advantages are not called And Stay Back! and Shotgun Surgeon respectively, i will be EXTREMELY disappointed
1) Pls improve SMG Burst's base damage depending on proximity to the target and give it a chance to apply Fear. It's always the poor relation, damage-wise, and yet the Tommy Gun is such a cool weapon.
2) Make Assault Rifle a cylinder by default (as it is in reality), and make a single target effect Advantage called Expertise - this should have increased single target damage and apply Armor Piercing to compensate for not being able to push the power to R3. I have no problem with the flat damage, either, can't see any reason why it should escalate...
3) Give mini-mines a damage buff and make them knock up. They're really not much use at the moment.
4) Is Relentless limited to MA powers or to Melee only? There are some munitions powers (SMG) which can apply bleeds, munitions gives a good change to crit, so this could be useful instead of overdrive or Killer Instinct....
2: Cutting the power replacer dependencies... I know exactly why you did that.... meanie.
3: You say you've slightly increased the damage on soul beam.. but on live I get 943 a tick.. and on PTS i get 943 a tick... soo, are you sure you implemented this?
4: Relentless.. you say it's MA.. but if you're running MA you're going to be using dex.. which lets you crit.. so why not just run steadfast at that point...so when you think about it.. the only set that would really benefit from this EU would be the beastails et + crit gloves....but beastial already has 2 EUs.. why is it basically getting a thrid?
4: smoke nade threat wipe...+yes
5: the damage isn't increasing per rank atm, but past that it seems to be doing rather nicely.. for once.
6: Frag nade.. a little surprized that we didn't get an adv that applies 1 stack of bleed but whatever.
7: Incendiary nade...nice, concussion nade..also nice, btu I gotta ask, could we get a gas and cryo nade which applies poision and chill respectivally?
8: changes to shotgun...more utility....but charge based... if you wanna go down this route, could we have the charge made faster please?
9: Minimines.. tried em... and they suck less..but are still not viable..at all
10: Bullet beatdown getting some love... hell yeah.
11: SMG burst.....why not make the advntage refresh AP on full maintain and apply AP on full maintain if you have a stack of furious?
12: gatling very much needs a mobility boost, esptiaclly when you consder the adv on AR makes it into basically gatling + movement.
13: no flamethrower power? for shame..
14: No 2GM tweak to make it not a underpreforming pile of junk? for shame
15: No single pistol powers? for sahme..
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Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
Where it happens: Anywhere.
What happens: The munitions damage mod doesn't properly add damage to munitions powers.
Bug
Where it happens: Anywhere.
What happens: Assault Rifle does not gain the benefits of Gloves of the Sniper.
Additionally, not to be that guy, but...
Suggestion
Submachine Gun Burst should have an increasing chance per tick to grant Furious, instead of simply at the end of a maintain.
Suggestion
Assault Rifle's base damage should be increased to bring it in line with other Tier 3 maintains, or it's advantage should be given 15% per stack. Or both. I parsed with 600 ego and dex primary and only got 2.4k DPS. This may have also been because the ASCII mod wasn't working, but it shouldn't have to rely on it either.
Suggestion
Two Gun Mojo could probably see a bit of a change again. Maybe give it the same AoE adv that AR now has, and make it single target again.
Suggestion
I don't have a specific list, but more powers should add furious in general. So far, it feels a little strict on what any munitions build can take.
EDIT: I'm not sure how that happened.
First the dps compared to tgm (note that this build is a little better suited for AR due to 3 specs in single target crit specs and 2 in AoE, while for a normal tgm build you can just completely ignore the single target spec).
AR (r2 + 30% damage adv)
TGM (r3)
Now AR has a 30% damage adv (that scales of furious stacks), which seems nice.
But the best way to build furious stacks is tgm, and when you already have that why would you ever want AR?
Also, all the furious refreshes and resistance debuffs are 50 feet, so even if you use AR you would be locked in a 50 feet range.
Suggestion
- increase AR damage
- change Burst Shot to a single target 100 feet range (or add a new power with those properties and that uses a riffle)
- add furious to Rocket, or something else with a 100 feet range, a cooldown, and that works on a tap
1. Give Assault Riffle Escalating damage to keep it in like with other maintained powers. IT NEEDS IT!
2. Buff Assault Riffle base damage
3. Adjust Furius stacks so they give the same critical chance at the cap of 3 targets as they do at the cap of 5 currently on live
4. Give Gautling gun an advantage which applies RECKLESS stacks, for both offensive and deffensive aspects
5. Make a riffle 100feet version of Burst Shot to fit the heavy munition themes
6. More single pistols attacks please
7. Make an Energy Builder which use Riffle
8. Make a Riffle version of Holdout Shot
9. BUFF Mini Mines base damage
10. ALLOW Mini Mines to be able to CRITICAL HIT, Particle mine CAN crit so why can't mini mines?
11. Give Rocket, Furious ADV
always speaking from both theme and build efficiency
Melee. You don't need to apply a bleed every 6 seconds for Relentless to work continuously. Bleeds last 16 seconds, so one application carries you through almost 3 full cycles of Relentless, meaning you can just spam whatever melee attacks you wanna deal damage with.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
I am a firm believer that every power set should have its DPS / tank / healer /buffer / CC options. Munitions should be no exception. It may be too late, as you've already decided which Munitions powers to add to the Munitions update, but for this specific powerset, adding first aid-themed healing powers would fit, as soldiers IRL utilize such tools.[/color]
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So Assault Rifle gets blander, lower damage, and is moved up in tier so the fundamental attack of a Munitions (long arm) character is unavailable until the late teens or low twenties? And is the Furious-buffed advantage some sort of effort to get ranged characters inside Energy Builder range? Because as I recall, no power granting Furious has better than a 50 foot range.
Does this still retain the Incendiary Grenade advantage? If not, I will need to go over to the AT thread and suggest that the Incindiary Grenade option be added to The Soldier at level 11 with the other two grenade powers.
Not happy with these changes. Shotgun Blast on live is an excellent battlefield control tool (with Breaching Round). While BR has been rolled into the power, I now have to take the time to charge it to get enemies out of my face, or tap to distract them with a knockdown, and hope their partial KB resistance doesn't kick in.
[color="#4a86e8"]Suggestion
Expand the Rifle skins onto the Submachine Gun category, so our characters aren't carryig around a duffel bag of different weapons like Deadpool.[/color]
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Suggestion
I highly recommend adding an advantage to make it a click-only power that knocks back affected targets, similar to its functionality on live without the weird conditionals.
There are already click-based knockback powers, such as Force Geyser/Detonation, so balancewise it would be just fine.
Suggestion
If it's possible, powers such as this could really benefit from "scales with either your melee or ranged damage modifier, which ever is higher."
The following powers should be revised as they are worthless and underperforming:
- Breakaway Shot (Either increase number of hits so that it makes sense with the animation, or increase the base damage. Plus a useful advantage could be added)
- Rocket (Charge + Cooldown? No. The charge is already enough to simulate the loading of the weapon. Or if you want to keep the Charge + Cooldown, increase the base damage since Sniper Rifle is a much better option as it is. Maybe add No
Rocket though? Yeah, it just needs to be redesigned. It should probably go the route of Orbital Cannon/Stafing Run, big damage, some useful secondary effect, and similar cooldown.
Breakaway shot definitely NEEDS a buff, even though I get a nice 3000 critical hit as opening attack with it in my TGM DPS
Also about Rocket, please make it work like Shoulder Launcher, auto charge without the annoying Lockout.
Willpower change suggestion: Increase the heal granted from Willpower to 200 hp up from the current 150 hp, this will probably make the nerf/adjustment to Willpower more palatable/make the change easier to stomach, as effectively cutting it in half is a bit much. Also consider making it tick faster as well as it doesn't always register well when counteracting incoming hits. Ever so slightly confused about this one, so perhaps someone could clarify?
"Updated the tool tip to state that the power is an area effect and that it refreshes Furious stacks on the last hit." <- What does this mean for the Not Without Incident advantage (which I happened to pick up yesterday >_>). This advantage grants BB the ability to apply damage in a 10ft aoe (30% chance normally, 100% if Furious). If BB is now going to be innately AoE...the advantage will be...scrapped?
Suggestion
Bullet Beatdown change suggestion: Ensure that Bullet Beatdown damage ticks all count as munitions powers for the purposes of Killer's Instinct.
Suggestion
Furious change suggestion: Slightly increase the amount of % crit chance each stack of Furious can grant from 1% to 1.5% to off set this nerf/adjustment (unless the intent was purely to nerf it from granting 5% crit chance to 3% crit chance).
Question
Do you plan to grant Free Retroactive Continuity tokens ALL characters who are affected by these changes? (Please don't BS us with the one free token for the entire account.)
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I've been testing the new Soldier AT build on PTS and as a tap power, Shotgun is great. Everything a shotgun should do - better damage than my SMG and a chance to knock down. It feels brutal, which is right.
Charging seems a waste of time, though - the damage increase is moderate and with no knock boost as a result, there's a "Why bother?" element to it. I would suggest removing the Breaching Round advantage and increasing the knock chance based on the time the power is charged.
Re: SMG B
The energy consumption is a little high for a Tier 0 power; with the Soldier AT I kept running out of energy and unable to maintain for the full duration, even opening with an Energy Builder attack. Hell, I got defeated by Wayland Talos (first time ever, ever) because I couldn't maintain anything for more than half a tick. Found an interesting bug, too...
Don't like the new Frag Grenade/Concussion Grenade at all.
If I throw a Frag Grenade I want
a) spike damage
b) knockback
A Concussion Grenade/Flashbang's job is to stun and keep enemies in place, so I can shoot them.
So really Frag Grenade wants to be left alone, and Concussion Grenade wants to be Crushing Damage and a Stun....
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Edit: That said, I think perhaps the knockback portion should be an advantage (on all 3 grenades) and Concussion Grenade should probably be stun as default, rather than how it is now.
2 point Flamethrower Advantage: Backburner: Deals 35% additional damage when attacking from the rear
2 point Flamethrower Advantage: Stop, Drop, and Die: Flamethrower Fears and Stuns targets
1 point Flamethrower Advantage: Dispersion Nozzle: Changes 3ft Cylinder to a 45 degree cone
2 point Flamethrower Advantage: Napalm Additive: 100% chance to apply Napalm to targets (stronger version of Clinging Flames, stacks with Clinging Flames, does not count for Clinging Flames proc. Think Toxic Nanites stacking with Poison)
2 point Flamethrower Advantage: Compressed Air Tank: Increases Flamethrower range to 100ft
2 point Incendiary Grenade Advantage: Willie Pete: Increases AOE to 25ft, 100% chance to apply Clinging Flames to secondary targets, increases number of targets to 10
2 point Shotgun Advantage: Dragon's Breath: Changes damage type to Fire, gives chance to apply Clinging Flames, removes Knock property
Frag Grenade is unable to critically hit
Frag Grenade lacks initial damage
Clinging flames from Incendiary Grenade has a large damage variance
Flamethrower does not trigger Killer Instinct
Flamethrower is not affected by Targeting Computer
- Increase the duration of Furious to either 12 or 16 seconds. Now that Assault Rifle's advantage depends on maintaining the Furious stack, 10 seconds seems too short a duration. 12 or 16 would be in-line with the advantage-dependent effects of other sets.
Edit: That said, I think perhaps the knockback portion should be an advantage (on all 3 grenades) and Concussion Grenade should probably be stun as default, rather than how it is now.
I'm never that keen on having to take advantages in order to make a power do the thing it logically should.
Concussion Grenade should be Crushing Damage+Stun as default, Knockback with Advantage
Frag Grenade should be Piercing Damage+KB, Bleed with Advantage
Incendiary Grenade should be Fire Damage+Clinging Flames, or KB with Advantage
Smoke Grenade as threat wipe is ideal, and I'm definitely with you on the Grenades for all power types, which would apply the relevant effect for the power set (Poison, Chill, etc) + Moderate damage.
Assault Rifle [Tier 2]
The Assault Rifle is an adaptable and reliable weapon capable of unloading a steady stream of bullets at your foe.
+Changed description.
+Becomes a Tier 2 power.
-No longer performs a high damage burst-fire on tap.
-Power damage no longer innately increased with each pulse.
+Base power damage set to the damage of the burst-fire on tap.
+Assault Rifle's damage increases each pulse while you maintain it.
+You move at full speed while maintaining Assault Rifle.
Advantages
(New Advantage) Laser Scope [2 Advantage Points]
+Assault Rifle ignores 10% of your target's Dodge Chance.
+Assault Rifle gains 1% Critical Chance each second its maintained.
+FX Change: A laser is pointed at the target from the Assault Rifle weapon, while maintaining.
Mow 'Em Down [2 Advantage Points]
+Assault Rifle has a 10% chance to apply Armor Piercing on your target.
(New Advantage) This is My Rifle [2 Advantage Points]
+Assault Rifle has a 10% chance to apply Furious on you.
Suggestion
Frag Grenade [Tier 2]
You toss a Frag Grenade, damaging your foes and knocking them around.
+Changed description.
+Power damage increased.
-Energy cost slightly increased.
-Recharge increased to 15 seconds.
Advantages
(New Advantage) Shrapnel [2 Advantage Points]
+Frag Grenade deals Piercing damage instead of Crushing damage.
+Frag Grenade applies Cutting Shrapnel on affected targets. Cutting Shrapnel deals Piercing damage every second for 10 seconds.
(New Advantage) Stun Grenade [2 Advantage Points]
+Frag Grenade Disorients and Stuns affected targets instead of Knocking them Back.
Suggestion
Incendiary Grenade [Tier 2]
You toss an Incendiary Grenade, damaging your foes and lighting them ablaze.
+Changed description.
-Energy cost slightly increased.
-Recharge increased to 15 seconds.
Advantages
(New Advantage) 6th Degree Burns [2 Advantage Points]
-Incendiary Grenade's recharge is increased to 25 seconds.
+Incendiary Grenade deals 30% bonus base damage to targets affected by your Clinging Flames effect.
Chemical Burn [2 Advantage Points]
+Incendiary Grenade applies or refreshes the duration of your Malleable effect to affected targets. Malleable reduces the target's Crushing and Fire Damage Resistance by 15% for 15 seconds.
(New Advantage) Napalm Grenade [2 Advantage Points]
+Incendiary Grenade creates a Burning Patch at your target's location.
This power can be spliced into Frag Grenade, with its functions added in as an Advantage(s). I personally don't see much reason for it to be its own power.
Suggestion
Shotgun [Tier 0]
+Renamed from Shotgun Blast.
+Becomes a Tier 0 power.
+Power damage slightly increased.
+Deals bonus damage to Knock immune targets.
-Energy cost slightly increased.
-Breaching Round advantage removed.
Advantages
(New Advantage) Flechette Shells [3 Advantage Points]
-Shotgun Blast no longer Knocks Back targets.
+Shotgun Blast deals Piercing damage instead of Crushing damage.
+Shotgun Blast applies or refreshes the duration of your Armor Piercing effect on affected targets.
(New Advantage) Come Get Some! [2 Advantage Points]
+Shotgun Blast has a 50% chance to apply or refresh the duration of stacks of Furious on you.
(New Advantage) Incendiary Shells [3 Advantage Points]
-Shotgun Blast's Knock Back strength is halved.
+Shotgun Blast deals 50% of its damage as Fire damage.
+Shotgun Blast has a 30% chance to apply Clinging Flames on affected targets.
(New Advantage) Slug Shells [3 Advantage Points]
+Shotgun Blast becomes a Cylinder AoE with a 2 foot Cylinder.
+Shotgun Blast deals 30% bonus base damage.
-Shotgun Blast has a 10% chance to Stun affected targets.
(New Advantage) Wideshot Shells [3 Advantage Points]
+Shotgun Blast's Cone radius is increased to 120 degrees.
+Shotgun Blast has a 50% chance to instill Fear in affected targets.
Suggestion
Mini Mines [Tier 2]
+Power damage greatly increased.
-Deals flat damage, not scaling with Strength nor Ego.
-Energy cost slightly increased.
-Recharge increased to 60 seconds.
+Tosses out a cluster of 6/8/10 Mines, based on Rank.
+Each mine detonates whenever a foe comes within 10 feet of it.
-Each mine cannot Critically Hit.
Advantages
(New Advantage) Concussive Mines [2 Advantage Points]
+Your Mines have a 5% chance to instill Fear in affected targets.
+Your Mines have a 5% chance to apply or refresh the duration of your Armor Piercing effect on affected targets.
(New Advantage) Seeker Drones [2 Advantage Points]
+Your Mines slowly follow random foes within 50 feet of them.
Wall of Fire [2 Advantage Points]
+Your Mines deal Fire damage instead of Crushing damage.
+Increases the chance your Mines have to apply Clinging Flames to 25%.
Suggestion
Bullet Beatdown [Tier 2]
Bullet Beatdown uses a combination of unarmed strikes and gunfire to put down your foe.
+Changed description.
Advantages
Not Without Incident [2 Advantage Points]
+Bullet Beatdown has a 25% (50% while you are Furious) chance to affect foes within 10 feet of your target.
(New Advantage) Rebellious Fury [2 Advantage Points]
+Bullet Beatdown gains 3% Damage Strength for each foe within 10 feet of you.
+Finishing the Bullet Beatdown combo applies or refreshes the duration of your Armor Piercing effect on affected targets.
(New Advantage) Tandem Assault [2 Advantage Points]
+Bullet Beatdown's 1st and 3rd attacks have a 15% (30% while you are Furious) chance to deals 10% bonus base damage.
+Bullet Beatdown's 2nd and 4th attacks have a 15% (30% while you are Furious) chance to deals 10% of its damage as Penetrating Damage.
Suggestion
Submachine Gun [Tier 1]
+Renamed from Submachinegun Burst.
+Power damage slightly increased.
-Assault advantage removed.
Advantages
Aggression [2 Advantage Points]
+Submachine Gun has a chance to apply Armor Piercing on affected targets based on how close they are to you, up to 30% chance at 5 feet.
+Submachine Gun has a 10% chance to deal 25% bonus base damage.
(New Advantage) Light 'Em Up [2 Advantage Points]
+Submachine Gun has a 15% chance to apply Furious.
+Fully maintaining Submachine Gun applies or refreshes the duration of stacks of Furious on you.
(New Advantage) Wall of Bullets [2 Advantage Points]
+Submachine Gun has a 10% chance to Stun affected targets. Targets Stunned by this effect become Feared.
Suggestion
Gatling Gun [Tier 2]
+Power damage slightly increased.
-Energy cost increased.
+You can move while maintaining Gatling Gun, but at half speed.
+5% chance to apply Armor Piercing on affected targets.
Advantages
(New Advantage) Ain't Got Time to Bleed [2 Advantage Points]
+Gatling Gun has a 5% chance to heal you. This heal scales with your Constitution.
+Gatling Gun has a 5% chance to apply Defiant on you.
Listen to Reason [2 Advantage Points]
+Gatling Gun has a 15% chance to apply Fear on affected targets.
+Gatling Gun has a 5% chance to apply Furious on you.
(New Advantage) Relentless Barrage [2 Advantage Points]
-Gatling Gun's Energy cost is increased by 15%.
+While you are Furious, Gatling Gun deals 10% of its damage as Penetrating Damage.
Also, while we're giving Munitions some love...
Suggestion
(New Power) Munitions Expertise [Tier 1]
Your training and combat experience has made you an expert when it comes to firearms and has hardened your body and mind.
+Slotted Offensive Passive
+Increases your Crushing, Piercing, and Fire damage. Scales with your Super Stats.
+Provides some Damage Resistance. Scales with your Super Stats.
+Provides some Knock and Hold Resistance. Scales with your Super Stats.
+Generates some Energy whenever you gain a stack of Furious. Scales with your Ego. This effect can occur once every 3 seconds.
(New Power) Grit [Tier 1]
Grit hardens your resolve, your foes' attacks against you serving only to bolster your offense.
Animation: One-armed Block stance. The user holds a Handgun weapon in the non-blocking hand.
+Block
+250%/300%/360% Bonus Damage Resistance, based on Rank.
+Increases Knock and Hold Resistance.
+Taking damage has a 15%/25%/35% chance to apply Furious on you, based on Rank.
Advantages
Suppression Fire [2 Advantage Points]
+While blocking, taking damage while Furious has a 25% chance to counter attack, dealing Piercing damage to the attacker. This damage increases for each stack of Furious you have. That target is Feared.
+FX Change: While Suppression Fire procs, the user performs the Steady Shot animation.
Submachine Gun Burst
Machine Gun (2 Point Advantage)-Deals double damage per tick/No damage reduction due to number of targets hit. This will also change the VFX of the weapon skin to a machine gun. (there is already a machine gun skin in-game. Can be found at Hunter-Patriots training ground)</font
With the revamp/review of the munitions powerset, are we gonna see an ultimate for this powerset?
Assault Rifle
I'm loving the change to flat damage instead of ramp-up. Thank you! However, there's still some issues:
1) Damage is pretty low for its tier
2) Uncompromising is a really awkward (and bad) mechanic to work with, given the duration and means available for applying Furious.
3) Mow 'em Down seems like a trap advantage, since this seems like it's supposed to be the main single target power for rifle-based Munitions and cylindrical aoe already exists in Gatling Gun.
Consider giving Assault Rifle a 15% chance to apply Furious per tick (just like 2-Gun Mojo) and making Uncompromising an innate part of the power rather than an advantage. Currently, it competes with Rank 3 as an uninteresting, mandatory advantage for maximizing DPS.
Flamethrower
Yaay! Finally a flame thrower!
1) The animation (cone) doesn't match the effect range (cylinder).
2) Just like Fire Breath, the "flame" is really weird-looking and darker than it should be, appearing more like some sort of chemical spray or colored dirt blaster than actual flame.
The range should probably be cone-based rather than cylinder-based, both because of the animation and because that's how flamethrowers work in general. It'd also be nice if the weapon model could be customized. If there's a different visual available besides Fire Breath's animation, this power would look a lot more like fire.
Frag Grenade
Rank 2 and Rank 3 have lower cooldowns than Rank 1.
The dot doesn't give the target any sort of debuff icon.
The lower cooldown is probably the best one to use for all 3 ranks of this power since it's dot-based, and more frequent use of it is a QoL improvement rather than a dps increase.
Incendiary Grenade
An advantage (Napalm would be a fitting name) to leave a fire patch on the ground, or increase the chance to apply clinging flames to secondary targets would improve the worth of this power.
Shotgun Blast
This power's kind of a mess right now. Generally, if you want to get things off you with knockback, a charge is a poor solution compared to something instant, so people wanting a knockback for control will pick something else. The charge also doesn't seem to increase the damage, so there's really no reason to charge this power in its current state. Its main role seems to be something you tap to apply Armor Piercing, so...based on that:
Shotgun Blast: Click. 3 second cooldown. Deals Crushing damage to all targets. The primary target is affected by Armor Piercing, with a 20% chance to also affect secondary targets. All targets are also Repelled.
(2) Breaching Rounds: Knocks back affected targets.
(2) Mind the Uniform: Applies Fear to affected targets.
(2) Sawed-Off Barrel: 100% chance to apply Armor Piercing to secondary targets.
Gatling Gun
This power has a long maintain, long enough that Listen to Reason will never be able to apply 3 stacks of Furious. It actually hovers between 1 and 2 stacks. That aside, this power is just kind of...lost in general. It doesn't really offer anything that other powers don't already offer--Submachinegun Burst and Flamethrower offer aoe, other powers offer debuffs and buffs Armor Piercing and Furious. What's the plan for this power? If anything at all?
The only way for Listen to Reason to work properly as a Furious builder is if it also refreshes stacks of Furious in addition to applying a new stack. I don't know, maybe this power needs to forget about Furious interaction altogether. I'd hate to suggest giving it the 15% chance to apply Furious that 2-Gun Mojo has, since I already suggested that for a few other powers, but there's not much else it can really do with that particular buff.
Some other ideas, not all of which need to be used together as either advantages or base effects. Truthfully, I really don't know what to do with this power:
- Chance per tick to apply Armor Piercing
- Repels targets each tick like Concussor Beam
- Chance per tick to knock targets down.
- Chance per tick to apply Bleeding
- Critical chance with Gatling Gun increases per tick, resetting after the maintain ends.
Submachine Gun Burst - needs energy cost lowering to be a reasonable Tier 0 power. The Soldier AT cannot maintain this weapon for the full duration until around level 15, which is a major handicap for one of the Silver ATs.
Shotgun Blast - needs to apply Breaching Round (i.e 100% knockback) when fully charged. Otherwise there is no advantage to charging the weapon, as doing so doesn't seem to increase damage or % knockback chance.
Flamethrower - has the usual problem with Fire effects which seem to be very fx intensive; I would worry that this power might cause slowdown if used by more than one player simultaneously.
Frag Grenade - Piercing Damage and Knockback as default effect, please - other effects should be advantages
Concussion Grenade - Crushing Damage and Stun as default, please, other effects as advantages
Assault Rifle - Should have Mow' Em Down as default. The lowered damage to each enemy is more than compensated for by the ability to hit multiple targets. The power then becomes a useful long-range/high mobility attack with damage lower than 2GM, which seems fair as the user can snipe effectively from range. Replace Mow 'Em Down with Expertise advantage, which makes the weapon a single target attack with a damage buff and/or chance to apply Armor Piercing debuff per tick.
Gatling Gun - This is just a scary bruteforce stream of bullets. Widen the effect cylinder, shorten the range, retain the self-root, give chance to apply Furious, with advantages to make enemies run away and hide (Duck and Cover advantage, Enemy effect is rather like the Cower power in that they run away out of range and are affected by Fear, but also have a chance to heal).
I'll post results of my testing.
This is all without AO, with the same exact gear/mod layout between servers. 8 stacks of Concentration. R3 Assault Rifle and R3 Targeting Computer. Same exact build and gear, mind you.
LIVE Maintain:
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 518 (570) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 1423 (1565) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 1728 (1901) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 2140 (2353) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 2395 (2634) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 2764 (3040) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 2498 (1647) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 3578 (3936) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
A total of 17,044 Damage over 4 seconds. Consistently.
PTS Maintain:
TEST 1
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 715 (786) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 1483 (1631) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 712 (783) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 716 (787) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 1531 (1684) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 695 (765) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 683 (751) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
[Combat (Self)] Your Assault Rifle deals 1425 (1568) Piercing Damage to Test Dummy.
A total of 7,960 damage over 4 seconds. Consistently.
Explain to me how this is better, please. This needs more tweaking, pleeassseee don't force it to LIVE as it stands.
May be change the Flamethrower animation to be narrower, so it more clearly matches its AoE.
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That said, I definitely agree with it needing a damage boost currently (just not ramp-up, ugh) especially since it's now a T3 power. Were those "big" hits critical hits? Also, you may want to do a bare test (no offensive passive, no form stacks, no gear) just to make sure the difference isn't because something else got nerfed. Also, are you testing on a Soldier AT?
It seems to have the exact same damage values as Soul Beam right now, which is kind of silly when you consider that the mechanics of Soul Beam are based around having enchantments/curses active for it to operate at the intended damage output level.
1) Furious as it stands now is a lot clunkier to deal with than enchantment/curse management since Furious has a very short duration and the stacks drop off independently of one another.
2) The advantage competes with Rank 3, whereas Soul Beam's damage boost mechanic is baseline, allowing it to exist alongside Rank 3.
Here's a fairly short video demonstration:
But these changes put a giant question mark above my head in regards to reducing Furious stacks and greatly reducing the healing. 3% vs 5%, it's hardly worth considering outside of the AR advantage. I had found the buff intriguing before, although it didn't offer much, but bumping it down to make it even worse... confuses me I guess? It seems tightly controlled in an odd way, but maybe there's something I'm not understanding. This change may have been implemented because of the AR advantage, which in itself I really like, but...
Suggestion
I think AR needs a little buffing for its new status as a T3 power.
Also, consider further increasing the healing of Willpower.
Others have demonstrated these points better than I can, but I agree with these suggestions.
Please,please consider a passive along these lines. Munitions needs its own passive, and fire damage desperately needs to be represented in passives outside of Fire and Ice forms. A passive along these lines makes many builds possible, and even makes it usable as an unofficial Heavy Weapons passive, which is also needed. If this does not fit your plans for the Munition changes, please tuck it away for later consideration. Munitions needs it's own passive in general, but Fire needs to be included in more offensive passives and Heavy Weapons does not have a passive that fully realizes its synergy with fire.
Thank you.
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Oh well
I must say, just so readers are clear, Im not a fan of this nerf, but at least suggesting something to make it slightly less severe is better than asking for something which is less likely to happen.
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