Solo Gold Champion Recognition Missions - PLEASE

blkmask

I just recently re-subbed after being gone at least a year. I see you have made some changes and slowly have added some new content to the game. However, one of my biggest issues is Gold Champion Recognition. The only way presently to earn this is through large group cosmic missions. I tried to participate in the taking down of Kigatilik (sorry if spelled it wrong) and I waited over an hour to get a large enough group to form and it never happened. People would come, see there were not enough people and leave. If everyone had stayed we would have had enough people. But players do not have the patience.

If I log into a game I want to have fun. I do not find waiting over an hour for a group to never happen fun. The same thing with the Epic Telios. I've queued for the mission but there are never enough players queuing for the mission to start it. I know some people will say start your own group but that also takes time.

My solution to this problem is to create some solo Gold Champion Recognition Missions. Missions people can do at their own pace, enjoy, and earn Gold Champion Recognition. Devs waiting for an hour for a group to form is never fun.

I would love to tell you more issues but I know this thread would only deteriorate into something not helpful. So let's stick to Solo Gold Champion Recognition Mission Please.

chaelk

Teleios is usually private groups since you need set positions. The cosmics also tend to take a while to organise since they need to do set things to work.

Join the channel Cosmic HQ and Rampagers, you're more likely to hear announcements on them and can form your own groups.
Also helps if you are on the right time during the day, which sis counted on EST when the most of the players are on. It's the opposite timezone to me.

The trouble with Solo GCR missions is, who do you measure it against?
AT's
simple FF
Maxed out FF

If you do it for the first, the third will just farm it,
if you do it for the third the first and probably the seconds won't be able to do it.
It's not meant to be farmable, it's meant to be difficult max level content. Stuff you work for.​​

blkmask

chaelk said:

Teleios is usually private groups since you need set positions. The cosmics also tend to take a while to organise since they need to do set things to work.



Join the channel Cosmic HQ and Rampagers, you're more likely to hear announcements on them and can form your own groups.

Also helps if you are on the right time during the day, which sis counted on EST when the most of the players are on. It's the opposite timezone to me.



The trouble with Solo GCR missions is, who do you measure it against?

AT's

simple FF

Maxed out FF



If you do it for the first, the third will just farm it,

if you do it for the third the first and probably the seconds won't be able to do it.

It's not meant to be farmable, it's meant to be difficult max level content. Stuff you work for.​​

And this is something I already addressed in my original post. What you are stating takes lots of time to put together a group and dealing with other people's requirements. Then not to mention being the "correct" time zone to maximize the number people in the game. What about people that have limited time to play or those people that are playing odd hours or those not in the "correct" time zone. Create a solo mission and limit the number of times the mission can be run in a day. Something has to be done for less than ideal situations. It's not like the game is overflowing with people to begin with.

I don't mind working. But give me some options to work with.

sterga

"The trouble with Solo GCR missions is, who do you measure it against?"

The average player. Things that Cryptic can find out if the do actually have the tools to datamine CO. If most players are rocking ATs and have less than 1k hours, that's who you make the content for.

Personally would like to see more inclusive content considering the small playerbase. Currency made to be farmed should have solo options because then you can just do it while waiting for other queues and you can just get the farming part done.

sannia1

With each new update for GCR content, they should look at what's already there and try for something different. Cosmics have their own fundamental issues. What's lacking right now is something the player can solo and something that's "bite-sized quick" that can only be done once a day.

Maybe they should make some slight modifications to Cislunar Mechanon and have it drop GCR. Soloing that particular mission is about as difficult as providing 1/5th the effort necessary to beat TA, and is certainly harder than providing 1/50th the effort to beat a cosmic.

Another suggestion: Have a GCR Alert. It would start strictly at level 40 and run at level. Depending how long they wanted to to take, they could base it on either the existing grabs or existing smashes. The big difference would be that instead of fighting one villain, the team fights a whole team of villains ie. have a VIPER alert where you fight Draconis, Freon, and ViperX all at once or a PSI alert where you fight Psimon, Medusa, and Mindslayer. They might want to create some smash bosses to get it up to an even 5 on 5, not to mention add healers on the villain side. That way some variety gets added and different teams will want to try different tactics. Also, the player gets to fight something where he/she isn't 1/5th as powerful as the mighty Kevin Poe,


*Yes, there were versions of these bosses since forever, but they've been completely revamped so it's fairer to say they are completely new bosses from a development standpoint.

championshewolf

sterga said:

"The trouble with Solo GCR missions is, who do you measure it against?"

The average player. Things that Cryptic can find out if the do actually have the tools to datamine CO. If most players are rocking ATs and have less than 1k hours, that's who you make the content for.

Personally would like to see more inclusive content considering the small playerbase. Currency made to be farmed should have solo options because then you can just do it while waiting for other queues and you can just get the farming part done.

GCR isn't meant for the average player as much as people wish to believe otherwise. GCR is end game content aimed at the people who wish to keep going and improving their character. SCR is meant for the average person that wants to solo and just participate in that content. It's kind of funny that people seem to believe that the GCR stuff is some how meant for the average player, which it is not. It is meant for the end game player, and the stuff involved in said thing.

Do we need more GCR based content, sure, we need more dungeons and cosmics to take care of, but expecting them to hand out GCR for something that is meant for the people that do these things is kind of silly at this point. No, it's not an unfair system either. If you don't want to do the content why should you get rewarded for it? And it's not like people don't already sell what drops to begin with that they don't need.

magpieuk2014

Do we need more GCR based content, sure,

No, we don't need it, although you might want it. With "Shadow Of Destruction", the "endgame" players are about to be thrown the biggest bone any group of players have had in the years I've been playing this game, and to be honest they should be happy with that, and certainly not start expecting more shiny stuff in the near future.

There is still an absence of proper endgame for the immediate post-40/"average" level player, and this should be highest on the developer priority list. Since UNITY was downgraded, and Rampages made pointless for the non-GCR player, there is an urgent need for something to do with a level 40 character which is playable either a) solo or b) within an Alert framework, with quick, automatic teaming and no waiting around. If this was SCR based (and the SCR store separated out, so not made to feel as if second best) then there'd be a whole lot less whingeing about GCR.

blkmask

No one is asking for a "handout". And you speak like the average player does not want to keep going and improve their character. That is not true and incorrect. I'm sure no one has any problem putting in the work (meaning grind). The issue becomes the time. The time it takes to put these things together or wait for other players is unrealistic. As I stated in the original post, I waited over an hour to run Kigatilik. Actually, it was an hour and a half. To watch people come and go because they did not want to wait stating there were not enough people. I waited just like some others and we wasted all of that time to come out empty handed. Anyone with a family, a job, and real life obligations does not have that kind of time to waste to earn GCR.

I do not think asking for solo GCR content is unreasonable. Especially, when it's nothing more than a grind that is created so players don't gobble up the content. The Devs could create solo content and group content and give players the option of playing one or the other. With the solo content providing less GCR. I would pick earning some GCR versus wasting an hour and a half and not getting anything.

championshewolf

If the average player wants to surpass where they are at, then they need to participate in the content. That's all there needs to be said. If you don't want to participate then you don't want the reward.

darqaura2

championshewolf said:

If the average player wants to surpass where they are at, then they need to participate in the content. That's all there needs to be said. If you don't want to participate then you don't want the reward.

I won't get into this argument, but I will say that there should be content that is non GCR and non level 40-based.

Hopefully the next major content addition addresses that.

spinnytop

The argument about this has been had to death. That did nothing, because it gives the devs nothing meaningful, just a bunch of people throwing opinions at each other. In the end, the whole thing was one big waste of time because giving a million reasons why you think it would be super ethical and the smartest business decision ever to create solo GCR content doesn't give the devs anything useful. Forget the why - start thinking about the how.

You want some solo GCR content? Well, step 1 - start considering the implications of that type of content, specifically the negative implications... and yes, you need to start acknowledging that the negative implications exist otherwise you won't be able to think realistically about how to solve for them. Then think of specific ways that content could be designed to minimize those implications, or avoid them altogether.

You can tell me all day long that there are no negative implications and you'll just be wasting your time. I'm not the one you have to convince, and neither is shewolf or anyone else here. The ones you have to convince are the devs, and all the ethical and business essays in the world won't convince them - what will convince them is a good solid idea for how it could be done.

Time to show that you actually want this and that you're not just here to accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being an elitist tryhard. This statement is aimed at people in general who keep saying they want this, not anyone specifically.


PS - if your response is "that's their job, not mine", well part of their job is deciding what should and shouldn't be put into the game too. If you're going to say that you should take no part because it's not your job, then maybe you should go all the way with that.

riverocean

I think it's safe to assume that GCR exists to encourage teaming and participation in large zone events. I don't see that changing. Still we've been given several easy ways to gear-up our post-40 characters that don't require GCR at all....

- SCR Heroics Gear:The new zone offers several dailies that give SCR. Not too mention Alert Dailies, Adventure Packs and Steel Crusade. Some of the new Q-zone dailies can be soloed....not easily but they can.
- Legions Gear: By my rough calculation a full set of legions gear costs about $35 bucks (USD). Buy 30 keys.. sell them for 125 a piece on the auction house. Get your full set of Legions in a day or two. I've never done it because I'm cheap and stingy.
- Mercenary Gear: The price for Mercenary Gear has been significantly lowered. Farm questionite or buy questionite boxes from the exchange.
- Cheap Purple Secondaries: These cost minimal amounts of SCR and are comparable (compare the number values) to the expensive secondaries in the questionite store. One of the hugest gifts the devs have ever given us.

So no. The dev team didn't leave those who like to alt or don't like teaming out in the cold. I have 10 outfitted 40's who are rocking Mercenary and Heroics. I have one fully kitted out Justice Gear guy... but the grind was so intense I'll never do it again.

I alt all the time.. I don't consider myself as having a main as anyone who's seen me online with one of my many alts can attest. And I frequently let my sub lapse and go for months playing just AT's and my one FF slot.

I don't feel left out at all..... in many games these alternate paths wouldn't be allowed to exist. You'd be forced to hard core farm for the end game gear. And once you got that gear a new level would be introduced that made the gear you spent weeks farming for obsolete.

The CO devs don't play those kinds of head games with us.

Other Gearing Alternatives:

* Questionite Primaires (Armadillo, Samurai, & Cyber) plus Purple Secondaries an easy and cheap way to gear any alt. Works for the vast majority of content.

*Vikorins gear is comprable to Heroics and can be bought quite cheaply on the Exchange when it shows up.

* The new Qliphothic Blue Gear that will be dropped by mobs in the new Zone. It's has values comprable to Vikorin's (i.e a little better than heroics). If it stays bind on equip, I predict we'll see these on the exchange for low prices.

championshewolf

spinnytop said:

The argument about this has been had to death. That did nothing, because it gives the devs nothing meaningful, just a bunch of people throwing opinions at each other. In the end, the whole thing was one big waste of time because giving a million reasons why you think it would be super ethical and the smartest business decision ever to create solo GCR content doesn't give the devs anything useful. Forget the why - start thinking about the how.

You want some solo GCR content? Well, step 1 - start considering the implications of that type of content, specifically the negative implications... and yes, you need to start acknowledging that the negative implications exist otherwise you won't be able to think realistically about how to solve for them. Then think of specific ways that content could be designed to minimize those implications, or avoid them altogether.

You can tell me all day long that there are no negative implications and you'll just be wasting your time. I'm not the one you have to convince, and neither is shewolf or anyone else here. The ones you have to convince are the devs, and all the ethical and business essays in the world won't convince them - what will convince them is a good solid idea for how it could be done.

Time to show that you actually want this and that you're not just here to accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being an elitist tryhard. This statement is aimed at people in general who keep saying they want this, not anyone specifically.


PS - if your response is "that's their job, not mine", well part of their job is deciding what should and shouldn't be put into the game too. If you're going to say that you should take no part because it's not your job, then maybe you should go all the way with that.

To add onto this, let's consider the past 7 years of Champions. Every time they made everything more accessible and easier for players to attain, what happened? That's right, people left Champions. Making everything easy and accessible (which is what this solo GCR thing is all about in the end) will just end up being the same cause and effect scenario champions has been suffering from for the past 7 years every time the devs make things easier and more accessible to players.

sterga

"GCR isn't meant for the average player as much as people wish to believe otherwise."

Making so much group content for the hardcore players in a low pop game is stupid. There isn't even an option for solo challenging content, which is what the OP is asking for.

No one is asking for hard content to go away, they're asking for options. There aren't that many players in this game and so much focus on GCR content and prizes but only having that created for a handful of people with our anemic development is beyond baffling.

"Every time they made everything more accessible and easier for players to attain, what happened?"

CO has had a whole hell of a lot of other issues in the past 7 years. Stuff like being completely abandoned for awhile. Being gutted for STO. Having an endless stream of abandoned projects. Being shuffled around to all sorts of dev teams. Being built upon a hot mess of code that still causes issues. Idiotic business decisions. Stigma for not being some other hero game. Having no long term vision or goals for the game.

But, yeah, I guess we can pretend being "too easy" (as if CO was ever terribly hard) is the only reason why anyone would ever leave CO if it makes you feel better.

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chaelk

sterga wrote: »

"GCR isn't meant for the average player as much as people wish to believe otherwise."

Making so much group content for the hardcore players in a low pop game is stupid. There isn't even an option for solo challenging content, which is what the OP is asking for.

No one is asking for hard content to go away, they're asking for options. There aren't that many players in this game and so much focus on GCR content and prizes but only having that created for a handful of people with our anemic development is beyond baffling.

"Every time they made everything more accessible and easier for players to attain, what happened?"

CO has had a whole hell of a lot of other issues in the past 7 years. Stuff like being completely abandoned for awhile. Being gutted for STO. Having an endless stream of abandoned projects. Being shuffled around to all sorts of dev teams. Being built upon a hot mess of code that still causes issues. Idiotic business decisions. Stigma for not being some other hero game. Having no long term vision or goals for the game.


But, yeah, I guess we can pretend being "too easy" (as if CO was ever terribly hard) is the only reason why anyone would ever leave CO if it makes you feel better.

The OP is asking for Solo GCR missions.

ON Alert we lost a load of people who didn't like the changes.
The year or so after that when we got lockboxes, vehicles and minevents(to get out more lockboxes) We had people leaving messages, "I'll be playing this game. Send me a message when we get soemthign which isn't lockboxes and vehicles."​​

jaazaniah1

I think you are missing the OP's main point, which was that he/she was willing to put in the time, but circumstances often prohibit it. E.g. people in different time zones who can't participate because the main cosmic hunt time for them is at 3:00 a.m. Maybe the new zone will help fill the bill. Still, the idea of a 1/day hard mission for 1-3 players for a few gcr/scr is not without some merit.

championshewolf said:

If the average player wants to surpass where they are at, then they need to participate in the content. That's all there needs to be said. If you don't want to participate then you don't want the reward.

xcelsior41

I don't think this is gonna go anywhere. It's like this:

People who have oodles of time(whether because of no job/responsibilities or because of just awesome finances): "This doesn't take that long/nothing's wrong. Y'all just need to invest more time(now granted this doesn't mean everyday buut..)"
Casual Players(anti-thesis to the above)"Some solo content for GCR...".
This is literally just two sides yelling at a brick wall(the wall being the other side) and nothing moving. Luckily I am in the middle(barely) of these two extremes and can see both sides.

Team content: I love it, 'cept the whole if you don't have something you have to wait for a varied amount of time I may/may not have(sometimes >20min on a good day, sometimes greater.) CO doesn't have much to team for, so I think this part is okay.

Solo GCR content(small-scale teams and the like) great for a group of friends who want to just be them/get GCR that way(or if that's too much, maybe some SCR?).

pantagruel01

In the end, GCR missions are designed to be tough enough to require a learning curve and reasonably specialized skills; the Cosmics arguably shouldn't be handing out GCR the way they are, since the skill requirements are quite low unless you're tanking, CCing, or doing some specialized healing.

The problem with solo content is that it's tough to make it actually require skill, as opposed to just a test of how powerful your build is. There are some exceptions (there's some legit tricks to Multifarian Resistance and Demonflame, though an uber build certainly still helps), but something like Cislunar Mechanon is really just a durability test.

jaazaniah1

I see creating some solo content (or maybe for 1-3 people) for gcr (along the lines of 1/day) as a challenge the devs should rise too, not abandon because it might be difficult to implement.

pantagruel01

jaazaniah1 said:

I see creating some solo content (or maybe for 1-3 people) for gcr (along the lines of 1/day) as a challenge the devs should rise too, not abandon because it might be difficult to implement.

That's under the category of 'would be nice to have', but the most obvious way around the problems is to just make it heinously difficult, at which point the people complaining now will just shift to complaining that they can't do it.

roughbearmattach

I'm not in favor of the general suggestion, given the stated purpose of GCR.

Still, solo missions that can be done once per day, that award something like 1 GCR seem fine to me.

darqaura2

sterga said:

"GCR isn't meant for the average player as much as people wish to believe otherwise."

Making so much group content for the hardcore players in a low pop game is stupid. There isn't even an option for solo challenging content, which is what the OP is asking for.

No one is asking for hard content to go away, they're asking for options. There aren't that many players in this game and so much focus on GCR content and prizes but only having that created for a handful of people with our anemic development is beyond baffling.

"Every time they made everything more accessible and easier for players to attain, what happened?"

CO has had a whole hell of a lot of other issues in the past 7 years. Stuff like being completely abandoned for awhile. Being gutted for STO. Having an endless stream of abandoned projects. Being shuffled around to all sorts of dev teams. Being built upon a hot mess of code that still causes issues. Idiotic business decisions. Stigma for not being some other hero game. Having no long term vision or goals for the game.

But, yeah, I guess we can pretend being "too easy" (as if CO was ever terribly hard) is the only reason why anyone would ever leave CO if it makes you feel better.

Although I don't agree with everything you said, I do agree with the bolded part. "Too easy" I'd say is the dead last item on the reason why this game has a low pop.

I'd argue NO PVP or abndoned PVP would even rank above that. No content in any content that pushes the story forward with any real momentum in any foreseeable timeframe, except recently. No new zones, etc.

"Too easy" for most players probably doesn't even rank.

darqaura2

pantagruel01 said:

In the end, GCR missions are designed to be tough enough to require a learning curve and reasonably specialized skills; the Cosmics arguably shouldn't be handing out GCR the way they are, since the skill requirements are quite low unless you're tanking, CCing, or doing some specialized healing.

The problem with solo content is that it's tough to make it actually require skill, as opposed to just a test of how powerful your build is. There are some exceptions (there's some legit tricks to Multifarian Resistance and Demonflame, though an uber build certainly still helps), but something like Cislunar Mechanon is really just a durability test.

And this I also agree with. I keep saying I don't see solo GCR content coming anytime soon, cause I can't think of any way to reasonably design it.

jaazaniah1

Well, if the players are actually good enough to handle TA or a cosmic hunt then something like this shouldn't be an issue. The main complaint I am hearing is that some players just can't make the cosmic hunts or TA at a time of the day most people would call reasonable, and that just doesn't seem really fair.

pantagruel01 said:

jaazaniah1 said:

I see creating some solo content (or maybe for 1-3 people) for gcr (along the lines of 1/day) as a challenge the devs should rise too, not abandon because it might be difficult to implement.

That's under the category of 'would be nice to have', but the most obvious way around the problems is to just make it heinously difficult, at which point the people complaining now will just shift to complaining that they can't do it.

riverocean

sterga said:

CO has had a whole hell of a lot of other issues in the past 7 years. Stuff like being completely abandoned for awhile. Being gutted for STO. Having an endless stream of abandoned projects. Being shuffled around to all sorts of dev teams. Being built upon a hot mess of code that still causes issues. Idiotic business decisions. Stigma for not being some other hero game. Having no long term vision or goals for the game.

But, yeah, I guess we can pretend being "too easy" (as if CO was ever terribly hard) is the only reason why anyone would ever leave CO if it makes you feel better.

Too be fair.. you are quite right. This game was an abandoned hot mess for years. I don't think anyone denies that. But recently it's seen frequent development, bug fixes, and content additions. But I do disagree with your taking exception with the "too easy" comment.

I've heard players make that comment -- i.e they got bored because it was too easy. They also got bored because they had nothing to do but alerts spam.

Again, that's changed recently. It's just going to take some time for the stigma of past mistakes wear off. Can a game this old make a turn around?

I'm not sure. But if the devs are willing to try - I'm willing to stick around.

Back to the OP's point. ... we already have plenty of ways to circumvent needing GCR for gear. Those things cost either A) Time or Money. just about the solutions to any problem you can encounter in life. YMMV.

sigmaseven0

I want solo gcr content as well.
"How hard should it be?" is an interesting question.
Is soloing a lair to hard to be a GCR bench mark?

soulforger

sigmaseven0 said:

I want solo gcr content as well.
"How hard should it be?" is an interesting question.
Is soloing a lair to hard to be a GCR bench mark?

Considering that lairs are typically easy enough to solo, its not hard enough. Though there are exceptions.

spinnytop

pantagruel01 said:

The problem with solo content is that it's tough to make it actually require skill, as opposed to just a test of how powerful your build is. There are some exceptions (there's some legit tricks to Multifarian Resistance and Demonflame, though an uber build certainly still helps), but something like Cislunar Mechanon is really just a durability test.

^ this is one of the major problems that needs to be solved before Solo GCR content can even be considered. I gave my proposted solution so I'm already miles ahead of you people who just keep asking for it and accuse anyone who says it can't happen of being an elitist hardcore tryhard with hours to play every day o3o get on my level




As far as people leaving cause they got bored with the game cause it's too easy? It has happened, quite a lot. You know those really good players you call "the elites"? The game lost a bunch of them over time because they got bored with a game they had completely mastered. Adding this kind of content into the game is a move designed to get some of them back, and retain future ones. I don't know if this is some big secret, but - there are a lot of people who play games to master them and then feel good about how they mastered them. The game can't hope to grow if it only tries to be compelling to creatives, it needs the gamers for that.

The people who play CO entirely for "creative" reasons are easy to please. They don't need new zones or lairs to conquer, you just give them new costume pieces and they're largely happy. People who play the game because they like the easy content? Sure, some of them might be upset because they don't get new reskinned content of the same gameplay, but there is loads of content for them in the game. Anyone who is a combo of the two again doesn't have much of a reason to become unhappy and leave.

It's the players who have been craving some gameplay substance that this game has been ignoring for a long time, that's why they're putting time into improving that part of the game.



Now I think a lot of people gloss over the fact that I like the idea of solo GCR content and would like to see it in game, and from what I know of shewolf, she would enjoy that kind of content as well... she would love to brag about how she stomped the living pee out of it. We just know the obstacles and, just like the devs, can't see a way around them.

jaazaniah1 said:

I see creating some solo content (or maybe for 1-3 people) for gcr (along the lines of 1/day) as a challenge the devs should rise too, not abandon because it might be difficult to implement.

I agree, but if they can't figure out a satisfactory way to do it then that's that, and if you're not willing to help figure something out then there's really nothing you can say to change that. "Should" is the easy part. I mean, think rationally for a moment... it makes sense that they have discussed the idea and experimented with some ideas, and the conclusion they came to every time was "This is not good enough". We might be past the point where saying they "should" try it is meaningful... because they may have tried already. Keep in mind, trying doesn't always mean we see something on the PTS, they test things internally too.

darqaura2

spinnytop said:

jaazaniah1 said:

I see creating some solo content (or maybe for 1-3 people) for gcr (along the lines of 1/day) as a challenge the devs should rise too, not abandon because it might be difficult to implement.

I agree, but if they can't figure out a satisfactory way to do it then that's that, and if you're not willing to help figure something out then there's really nothing you can say to change that. "Should" is the easy part. I mean, think rationally for a moment... it makes sense that they have discussed the idea and experimented with some ideas, and the conclusion they came to every time was "This is not good enough". We might be past the point where saying they "should" try it is meaningful... because they may have tried already. Keep in mind, trying doesn't always mean we see something on the PTS, they test things internally too.

I think, GCR content for 3 people minimum, would be much easier than solo. Really it's much easier to find 3 folks who would be willing to do it in anytime zone. Also stick some of those costume pieces every says every craves in there as a possible way to get them. And you can probably even get some casuals to do it also.

(I really am not that impressed with just costume pieces with all of the tons of options we have in game already. At a certain point I was happy enough with what we got, and seeing as how NEW content is what we've been lacking for years ... yeah new costume pieces stopped impressing me years ago. The tailor revamp to me was MEH. But that's an aside)

beerbane

I still think establishing a light GCR reward for a Rampage Weekly Alert and a Vigilance: Rampage mission rotation would be acceptable. If UNITY is ever revamped, maybe have the final mission in the arc be difficult (3-person team requirement) and potentially reward some GCR for that. This way there is an acceptable time sink, capped by difficulty, that yields some nominal GCR. Not going to be the resource output that Cosmics/TA/Q-Zone will be, but should let casual players at least purchase GCR mods and consumables.

I also think every time you poke Caliga or Vexx in Ren Cen they should explode and shower the surrounding area with GCR tokens.

darqaura2

Beer, nice ideas. Especially the one related to the poking

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nacito

Ugh, sorry for the necro but I still see this being an issue, the time zones thing

spinnytop

Everyone who wants this has been diligently soloing in the QWZ for their 1 GRC per day right?
Remember, the way to get more of something is to use the examples currently in game. Disuse communicates disinterest ^_^

roughbearmattach

Um 5 GCR per five days, no? It is quantized by fives, unless something changed in the past few months.

aesica

As I posted in another thread, that's 250 days for a single piece of distinguished gear. Who in their right mind is going to subject themselves to that?

spinnytop wrote: »

Disuse communicates disinterest ^_^

Yes, but is the "disinterest" in the rewards, or how tedious and (honestly) overtuned the content is?​​

revanantmorituri

Or merely 150 days to unlock a power. I can get two a year that way! *barf*

andondarkmore

If there will be no solo GCR play available. Let players convert Silver to Gold. It may be at a high rate so people farming Silver do get to many to fast.

puppyfarts

no no no not solo... gcr should be group content only... the only thing i can think of right now is that they should revamp lairs and make them maybe mandragalore lvl of difficulty though the bosses should be tougher so they can be runned by atleast 3+ players for low amount of gcr and scr

revanantmorituri

puppyfarts said:

no no no not solo... gcr should be group content only... the only thing i can think of right now is that they should revamp lairs and make them maybe mandragalore lvl of difficulty though the bosses should be tougher so they can be runned by atleast 3+ players for low amount of gcr and scr

If it was only raid-level gear gated behind raid-level currency, I wouldn't care. But since powers and costumes are saddled with this frustrating GCR requirement (and not just Ultimates, but relatively normal ones), I will have to firmly disagree.

championshewolf

revanantmorituri said:

puppyfarts said:

no no no not solo... gcr should be group content only... the only thing i can think of right now is that they should revamp lairs and make them maybe mandragalore lvl of difficulty though the bosses should be tougher so they can be runned by atleast 3+ players for low amount of gcr and scr

If it was only raid-level gear gated behind raid-level currency, I wouldn't care. But since powers and costumes are saddled with this frustrating GCR requirement (and not just Ultimates, but relatively normal ones), I will have to firmly disagree.

You have TA, which is fairly easy to do and provides GCR as well. And sorry, not everything should be offered to everyone. Sorry but if you want to claim Shadow Destroyer's mantle, you have to beat Shadow Destroyer.

sterga

GCR wouldn't be "offered" to anyone, it would require playing the game to earn it, even if the content was soloable.

No, sorry. Can't take any of these "GCR must be grinded for with other people" comments seriously. Warzone is supposed to be end-game group content and most missions give zero GCR. The most powerful devices are easily purchased for cash. Ultimate are only added via lockboxes anymore. But having soloable GCR content is a horrible, evil thing to do that cannot be allowed because Reasons.​​

magpieuk2014

You have TA, which is fairly easy to do and provides GCR as well.

Teams (lack of).

Also: "relatively easy" said by person who has run that content more than 50 times (unconvincing).

Everyone who wants this has been diligently soloing in the QWZ for their 1 GRC per day right?

Arf. That's a fun idea.

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You wouldn't get so much whinging about GCR if the SCR system wasn't so horribly borken. Fix the Rampages, UNITY missions and old queues for old Lairs, please, and give people a ladder to climb, not a chasm to jump across.

pantagruel01

magpieuk2014 said:

Also: "relatively easy" said by person who has run that content more than 50 times (unconvincing).

Experienced people are at the "let's beat this with something stupid" stage. It's teamwork-required content, but my experience is that I can take a novice in there, and as long as we do the basic "this is how this fight works and what you have to do" before each fight, he probably won't have a lot of trouble. The hardest things to do are probably Grond tanking, not screwing up and exploding in Medusa, and Teleios off-tanking.

In any case, the big problem with solo gold content is that it's rather hard to come up with content that is tactics-required and still doable for a wide range of builds; either certain (usually tanky) builds can faceroll it, or a bunch of builds can't do it at all.

kamokami

I think the argument of "there are so few of us, so make solo content rewarding" is a tough sell to the devs because it starts with the words, "there are so few of us".

You see group content getting priority....the latest being Open Missions....because it keeps the largest number of players engaged. If you want to be more convincing I'd suggest starting with something that aligns with the dev's goals and working backwards to what you want.

aesica

championshewolf wrote: »

You have TA, which is fairly easy to do and provides GCR as well. And sorry, not everything should be offered to everyone. Sorry but if you want to claim Shadow Destroyer's mantle, you have to beat Shadow Destroyer.

"Offered to everyone?"

You do realize this is a game, right? Games are supposed to be fun, so why shouldn't things be available to as many people as possible? What benefit is there to saying "we should exclude people from things?"​​

pantagruel01

aesica said:

What benefit is there to saying "we should exclude people from things?"​​

It means people can get things that are exclusive -- people really do seek out things specifically because they're rare. I mean, Therakiel's Sword is utterly ridiculous looking with most costumes, but it's desirable because it's so very hard to get.

aesica

pantagruel01 wrote: »

It means people can get things that are exclusive -- people really do seek out things specifically because they're rare.

Right, and in a sense, it's fine to have some of the GCR stuff gated behind boss kills. But things like gear? I fail to see how the exclusivity lure applies to gear, given how better gear in this game just bigger stat sticks and QoL improvements. Nobody's going to look at someone's character and say "wow, _____ has the ultra-rare primary defense drop that was only available during a single week last year!"

It's fine with costume pieces I guess (I've never understood the exclusivity attitude some seem to have, but I get that it exists) but there's no reason to shut most of the population out of everything related to GCR. STO doesn't shut people out, so why does CO?​​

championshewolf

aesica said:

"Offered to everyone?"



You do realize this is a game, right? Games are supposed to be fun, so why shouldn't things be available to as many people as possible? What benefit is there to saying "we should exclude people from things?"​​

If you can get everything with no effort, what purpose do you have playing after the fact? If you have no interest in doing the content to get the reward, why should you get rewarded for it? I'm sorry you think you deserve to be given all rights to everything without having to do the content it is tied to. GCR is intended for endgame, team based content. If you aren't defeating Shadow Destroyer, why should you get his mantle to wear?

jennymachx

Except nobody's asking for stuff with no effort put in, just for alternative options. Stop with the strawmen already.

The biggest challenge with regards to solo content offering GCR is how to make such solo content challenging enough to the player so that they can't just breeze through it to earn easy GCR points. When it comes to finding that balance, it's extremely hard to do since making every mob elite class a la QWZ would potentially just make it insufferable difficult for players with casual builds.