You don't get it, hm?
I can make a 1k iLvl CW and let me kill 200 times from 3-4k iLvl TR in domination and afterwards come to forum, post my "faked" screenshot and scream: "TRs are too much, please fix, we want balance!"
Ridiculous!!!
Edit: who cares about your list?
Im not as low as you to make fake things. Do you feel uncomfortable with the picture? If not then why bother mentioning so many irrelevant discussion over a picture? You want to keep current CW shield? I know thats what most of you people doing now because without your over performing shield you will be placed among other class and you dont want that to happen right? you dont want sense you refuse balance in this game?
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A wizard has 9% DR and his R1 shield is stable. YOu hit him with 149 damage. The damage calculation would go as follows
149 * 0.91 * .5 = 67.79
30% ten. X=70x68/100=47.6.
29-30% tenacity. 47.6 to 36. 25% extra layer again.Shield is bugged.
In any case:A cloth wearing class with 9% dr ,90s range ,4 dodges that provide immunity frame ,should not mitigate roughly 50%-85% of it dmage against it.
Shield has leveled CW protection into Fighters category.No Gf can mitigate 80% damage with its shield dawn.
At the same time CW can attack ,dodge or cc.
Shield has made CWs more tankier that fighters.
Shield needs an adjustment dawn.
Shield is 75% DR at R1 and gets lower to R3 and 25% before pops... so now do your math again...
Shield is not the problem, problem is in Negation. Negation need to be toned down because it makes any class tanky as hell not just CW. If we gonna look that way then OP need a total rework because of their DR in combination with Negation! Shield is easy to break especaly to TR's (who knows to play) all i see is TR going in stelth and trying to one hit ( i love such guys) instead to first trow knifes to deminish shield (**** i run away from them) and then to try a kill. You need to learn how to kill other class and stop asking for nerf of other classes. If we gonna look that way any class then should get nerf in some aspect of game... Stop QQ and learn how other classes work to counter attack them!
To get things str8 I am CW and I dont use Shield and i dont have negation ench at all in PVP, only when I use shield is when puging in eLOL at last boss. In GG PVP Im alwayse in first 5 by kills and 1-3 place in Domination. Its just how you play notnigh more. CW as CW is in a good place and ENCHANTMENS ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE! Buged fey, blood, negation etc. etc.
Something else to take into consideration (t.neg aside) in the "CW is tankier than tanks" is that as the CW is hit, his defenses are generally quickly depleted, while as a tank is hit, his defenses increase. You get a cw down to 10% health in a rotation and that shield is gone, his dodges are likely out and he is screwed. You get a fighter that low and now you are contending with a ton of fighter feats and powers that only activate at low hp. Shield can have 10 million DR in all three phases, but if it is gone after hitting it three times, it doesn't really matter. At will>atwill>atwill>cc encounter>burst encounter. A good cw doesn't make that easy but the whole point is to outplay people in the first place.
A wizard has 9% DR and his R3(80%) shield is stable. YOu hit him with 15875 damage. The damage calculation would go as follows
15875*(damage) 0.91(actual real DR 100-0.09) * .8 (shield) = 11557
find the error
math E-, take a seat
15875 x0.91 x 0.2 x 0.7 = 2022 damage in case of 9% DR+Shiled 80% (or is it 75%)+ 10 stacks of T negation
if you now add 40% DR from Tenacity its 2022 X 0,6 = 1213 damage
the arp that the player has, we never know, but arp does not do a lot in case of 80% arp resist
so in case you have 60% DR ignored (about 5k arp?) its only 12% left after arp resist 80% comes into account
so if you don´t have a shield and no T Negation its
15875 x 0,91 x 0,6 =8667 CW --> dead in short time
8667 x 0,25 = 2166 at 75% Shield
8667 x 0,5 = 4333 at 50% Shield
8667 x 0,75 = 6500 at Shield 25%
T negation is too powerfull es everybody says, and as it was told from preview, but since teh devs do not care about it its, again a cräppy game
and all classes benefit from T negation
Something else to take into consideration (t.neg aside) in the "CW is tankier than tanks" is that as the CW is hit, his defenses are generally quickly depleted, while as a tank is hit, his defenses increase. You get a cw down to 10% health in a rotation and that shield is gone, his dodges are likely out and he is screwed. You get a fighter that low and now you are contending with a ton of fighter feats and powers that only activate at low hp. Shield can have 10 million DR in all three phases, but if it is gone after hitting it three times, it doesn't really matter. At will>atwill>atwill>cc encounter>burst encounter. A good cw doesn't make that easy but the whole point is to outplay people in the first place.
Something people don't even realize. One dot and shield is toned down to a very reasonable state. Only TRs engaging CWs from stealth with lashing blade, or any class with a strong daily, before applying a dot, will complain about shield. It's just the lack of practice, not the spell.
Which brings us back to the real issue, and it's negation. On any class, it's BiS and OP in pvp.
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Im not as low as you to make fake things. Do you feel uncomfortable with the picture? If not then why bother mentioning so many irrelevant discussion over a picture? You want to keep current CW shield? I know thats what most of you people doing now because without your over performing shield you will be placed among other class and you dont want that to happen right? you dont want sense you refuse balance in this game?
149*0.4*0.91*0.7=37...
Shield is not the problem, problem is in Negation. Negation need to be toned down because it makes any class tanky as hell not just CW. If we gonna look that way then OP need a total rework because of their DR in combination with Negation! Shield is easy to break especaly to TR's (who knows to play) all i see is TR going in stelth and trying to one hit ( i love such guys) instead to first trow knifes to deminish shield (**** i run away from them) and then to try a kill. You need to learn how to kill other class and stop asking for nerf of other classes. If we gonna look that way any class then should get nerf in some aspect of game... Stop QQ and learn how other classes work to counter attack them!
To get things str8 I am CW and I dont use Shield and i dont have negation ench at all in PVP, only when I use shield is when puging in eLOL at last boss. In GG PVP Im alwayse in first 5 by kills and 1-3 place in Domination. Its just how you play notnigh more. CW as CW is in a good place and ENCHANTMENS ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE! Buged fey, blood, negation etc. etc.
find the error
math E-, take a seat
15875 x0.91 x 0.2 x 0.7 = 2022 damage in case of 9% DR+Shiled 80% (or is it 75%)+ 10 stacks of T negation
if you now add 40% DR from Tenacity its 2022 X 0,6 = 1213 damage
the arp that the player has, we never know, but arp does not do a lot in case of 80% arp resist
so in case you have 60% DR ignored (about 5k arp?) its only 12% left after arp resist 80% comes into account
so if you don´t have a shield and no T Negation its
15875 x 0,91 x 0,6 =8667 CW --> dead in short time
8667 x 0,25 = 2166 at 75% Shield
8667 x 0,5 = 4333 at 50% Shield
8667 x 0,75 = 6500 at Shield 25%
T negation is too powerfull es everybody says, and as it was told from preview, but since teh devs do not care about it its, again a cräppy game
and all classes benefit from T negation
Something people don't even realize. One dot and shield is toned down to a very reasonable state. Only TRs engaging CWs from stealth with lashing blade, or any class with a strong daily, before applying a dot, will complain about shield. It's just the lack of practice, not the spell.
Which brings us back to the real issue, and it's negation. On any class, it's BiS and OP in pvp.
to solve this make CW benefit from shield only 50% in pvp and 100% in pve