SW getting a nerf?

rotters · February 2015

Just reading the preview patch notes and we got hit hard!

Scourge Warlock
Arms of Hadar: This power no longer deals far more damage than expected.
Creeping Death: Now causes 60% of your necrotic damage over 4 seconds (down from 100%).
Soul Puppet: Soul Puppets now deal substantially more damage.
Tyrannical Threat: This power now splashes half as much damage as before.

This is a significant amount of damage reduction. Did we get any buffs? no.....did the CW get another buff? yes! Disintegrate: Damage increased by about 115%. so this now hits quite hard.

Im not feeling the love cryptic!

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jackedbrah · February 2015

that's hilarious...

ive never seen arms of hadar yet, was it that bad?

overdriver13 · February 2015

Really what is going on???? Why don't they just delete the class and tell everyone they can't play it anymore.

They are gutting this class mercilessly. I went from a state of holding off spending money on my new lvl 60 sw till mod6, to a state of utter disbelief, struggling to justify continuing to play this game at all.

charononus · February 2015

Very disgusted by this weeks patch.

overdriver13 · February 2015

Scourge Warlock

Arms of Hadar: This power no longer deals far more damage than expected.
Creeping Death: Now causes 60% of your necrotic damage over 4 seconds (down from 100%).
Soul Puppet: Soul Puppets now deal substantially more damage.
Tyrannical Threat: This power now splashes half as much damage as before.

from preview server patch notes

Can someone explain why the class is getting a nerf? And not just a nerf to some encounter power that might have been questionable, but a nerf to the capstone of the only really viable pvp sw spec.

Tell me something I do not know that causes this make any sense at all.

charononus · February 2015

If you find any sense in it let me know. I'm bewildered by it as well.

lazaroth666 · February 2015

Actually, in Live server it does 100% of the Necrotic Damage over 8 seconds, which means 50% in 4 seconds, with that change we are doing 10% more necrotic damage in the same period of 4s, since it can stack and won't stop until the enemy is dead, it doesn't have any reduction in the total dmg. The only real nerf is TT which is 20% less dmg linked in comparison with Live server (From 50% to 30%).

praxismirrors · February 2015

overdriver13 wrote: »

from preview server patch notes

Can someone explain why the class is getting a nerf? And not just a nerf to some encounter power that might have been questionable, but a nerf to the capstone of the only really viable pvp sw spec.

Tell me something I do not know that causes this make any sense at all.

That moment when somehow people manage to not be able to read the tooltips of the feat/powers on the live servers.

pfundaddy · February 2015

So basically the creeping death change is good for maybe trash mobs and a massive (20%) overall necrotic (so slightly less than that in total, let's be generous and say 15% because I am using the AD set) damage decrease against everything else (anything that can survive longer than five seconds, which is when they break even), including players?

So basically fury specs have gone from a valuable damage dealer to vastly less of a damage dealer, who also has low innate survivability, no dodges, no support abilities apart from the debuff component of Dreadtheft, and virtually no CC, and thus is just simply not worth taking over another TR or CW.

I'm very glad we will probably get a reroll when this comes live, because that isn't worth playing unless they redistribute the entirety of the damage to other places in the Fury tree.

Edit: If they do redistribute the damage within the tree, it would be reasonable because as it is the tree is sort of too dependent on the capstone. That would also encourage people to put a couple of points in even if they aren't going all the way in that tree. Otherwise, I just don't understand at all.

Also, Lazaroth is incorrect. The damage does end after eight seconds and does not persist longer, as anyone with about thirty seconds of time to curse a test dummy and hit him with autos can verify, so as it stands this is a direct 20% nerf to necrotic damage in Fury.

lazaroth666 · February 2015

pfundaddy wrote: »

Also, Lazaroth is incorrect. The damage does end after eight seconds and does not persist longer, as anyone with about thirty seconds of time to curse a test dummy and hit him with autos can verify, so as it stands this is a direct 20% nerf to necrotic damage in Fury.

If you keep hitting the target, you get procs over 8 seconds, 1 each 2s so that's a total of 4 procs. In live server means you are doing 50% of the necrotic dmg in 4s, now you are doing 60% of the necrotic dmg in 4s, same 2 procs. Maybe this is the part that you misunderstood, I didn't mean that it will persist after 8s, I meant that you can add tons of stacks of Creeping Death. Anyway, I'm done with arguing in the forum, I just wanted to explain a bit how it works.

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doublea2014 · February 2015

sseroiusly I do not like the damage I am seeing from my scourge warlock on the test server, leave tyrannical threat ALONE and as far as Arms of Hadar is concerned Put the damage back the way it was and just fix the cool down timer on it, this was a step in the wrong direction for scourge warlock!! not cool guys, Akro can you please have this corrected, because I will not even waste my time to bother with 4 power points on Arms of hadar because it is so Weak now, 4 power points on anything should meen much more damage then it is doing now, almost made me sick, also seeing tyrannical threat just completely screwed up almost made me cry

rodrant64 · February 2015

rotters wrote: »

Just reading the preview patch notes and we got hit hard!

Scourge Warlock
Arms of Hadar: This power no longer deals far more damage than expected.
Creeping Death: Now causes 60% of your necrotic damage over 4 seconds (down from 100%).
Soul Puppet: Soul Puppets now deal substantially more damage.
Tyrannical Threat: This power now splashes half as much damage as before.

This is a significant amount of damage reduction. Did we get any buffs? no.....did the CW get another buff? yes! Disintegrate: Damage increased by about 115%. so this now hits quite hard.

Im not feeling the love cryptic!

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What you have there for Creeping Death is wrong, it's 60% over 8 seconds. I had my hopes up thinking they were just tightening up the DoT time but actually improving it's damage.

ghoulz66 · February 2015

The SW should be dealing the most damage of any class when left untouched. If anything, they need a lot of damage buffs. Seriously, I curse 3 powrie then hit them with a fiery bolt, all 4 survived.....

I would rather dragon hoard farm with my CW and DC. Not because they're safer, but they kill faster.

schietindebux · February 2015

farming with DC is much faster and easier than with my warlock cause of these direct aoe encounter Chains, DG, sunburst

probably that was the intention of the changes, doing more damage in shorter time with creeping death, but in the sum it deals per necrotic encounter 40% less damage

((( really sad
tbh in PVP i would prefer a stack/Dot that does 100% in 8 sec before a dot that does 60% in 4 sec, because most time u are stunned etc, you can´t do proper damage or stack DOT´s on your target, so its definitily worse in PVP case, its getting weared
please cryptic don´t drink too much beer on friday or party all time, try to be logic, rethink changings or just do a real upgrade instead of nerfing the weakest class in PVP and an average class in PVE wise

i attest you a really bad job, it´s an big F , you can take your seat , you did not make the grade, i am sorry

candinho2 · February 2015

rotters wrote: »

Just reading the preview patch notes and we got hit hard!

Scourge Warlock
Arms of Hadar: This power no longer deals far more damage than expected.
Creeping Death: Now causes 60% of your necrotic damage over 4 seconds (down from 100%).
Soul Puppet: Soul Puppets now deal substantially more damage.
Tyrannical Threat: This power now splashes half as much damage as before.

This is a significant amount of damage reduction. Did we get any buffs? no.....did the CW get another buff? yes! Disintegrate: Damage increased by about 115%. so this now hits quite hard.

Im not feeling the love cryptic!

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Arms of hadar got a 65% nerf, it previously has 15k base damage, now it has 5k, less than Blades of vanquished armies.
So it's now useless cause BoVa are necrotic and will do more damage and also cast faster.

ghoulz66 · February 2015

candinho2 wrote: »

Arms of hadar got a 65% nerf, it previously has 15k base damage, now it has 5k, less than Blades of vanquished armies.
So it's now useless cause BoVa are necrotic and will do more damage and also cast faster.

Ugh, and smoke bomb is a controlling nuke of mass death....

rodrant64 · February 2015

macjae wrote: »

It's not a nerf to SWs as a whole, it's a nerf to the strongest of the three capstones, making the three capstones more equal, which should make it easier to ask for necessary improvements to the class as a whole.

That makes sense, especially since the increase in shadow puppet damage is pretty significant for damnation SW's and puts them in a pretty good spot now.

But SW's are still going to be kinda lame for mod 6 as a whole, since I don't see the necessary overall improvements coming by then, and that sucks.

schietindebux · February 2015

increase in shadow puppets damage... ok, but didn´i read that the shadow puppet is squishy and weak in defence, so it doesn´t help u if it pulls aggro like hell, lying dead on the floor next second?

ghoulz66 · February 2015

schietindebux wrote: »

increase in shadow puppets damage... ok, but didn´i read that the shadow puppet is squishy and weak in defence, so it doesn´t help u if it pulls aggro like hell, lying dead on the floor next second?

I noticed they don't get a defensive buff in a party like companions do. Solo, they tank, companion drops dead, parties, companion can get knocked around like a ragdoll, puppet vanishes.

valencay · February 2015

I only play my oppressor cw but I don't like the nerf to TT

wixxgs1cht · February 2015

Another display of how far from reality these changes are planned and executed.

What I'd love to see would be heavily reduced casting times. Not nerfs to damage. All SWs bring to the table is damage.

schietindebux · February 2015

i am curious about mod 6 and warlock: TT nerfed, Creeping death nerfed, soul puppet worthless but deals more damage...
new setboni, AC set i assume won´t fit anymore
only reason until now for an average damage in PVE is AC-setbonus and TT... black clouds coming up

i don´t cry about nerf, but the same time classes like TR, CW and DC are lifted in the sky with defence mechanics, damage and hard encounters that onehits you or Dot´s u in seconds to death, underdog Classes gets nerfed and leaves u in PVP with your warlock running an jumping and creeping arround like hell

please devs , communicated more, one of you buffs their classes like hell, making this game more crappy, unplayable for some classes
the other just thinks " hm just tone it a bit down" - ok, accepted, but....

CUMMUNICATE BEFORE EVERYONE GOES ON "BOILING HIS OWN SOUP"

at least i would appreciate a generell debuff in PVP that tones damage 50% all in all down, since tenacity does not work against some encounter,
make things more tactic than onhitting, onedotting everything to death in 2 seconds

blazious11 · February 2015

Chill out, Creeping is not really a nerf (or don't seems too bad). I guess, it means just a little less damage, but in half as much time. So, little more burstlike instead of long dot. OR, if it stays 8 seconds, and not 4, now, well, thats not good. Wonder, what's the point in that case.

And Tyrannical. Oh boys, we could see this coming since mod4, when warlock came out. It wasn't healthy. Maybe This means, that TT will work in some cases, but wont be always the best choice for daily. Now, I'm goint to see a lot more Hell's Gate, Thats' all.

Warlock will be still be a very good dps char.

schietindebux · February 2015

hm really big burst...lol you deal a bursty 10% more damage with one necrotic encounter in 4 seconds, then the dot stopps ticking, simply stops.... instead of dealing 40% more damage as i does until now
where is the burst i didn´t get it nor understand the philosophie behind this treatment
do you think warlock is the damagedealer he should be (No 1) atm beside DC, TR, CW, since these classes have controll mechanics or incredible buffs/debuffs on top of incredible damage

katbozejziemi · February 2015

Sorry, we found out that SW could in some situations out-DPS CWs, we had to fix that.

voltomey · February 2015

if enough people raise hell about it from now till next Friday it mite get reverted but that's wishful thinking.

schietindebux · February 2015

it is what it is: <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>
next step in making this game more unbalanced and one more reason for me to stop spending any money in this game
only thing that makes a bit fun is PVP sometimes (some is a very rare moment), PVE is dead cause there is nothing like fun running one encounter 150 times, rest is rp farming no fun

I read the thread about motivation to play this game, i don´t agree in 90% of the answers, its subjectiv, but i think it is a selection of some casual player who accept things like theya are, or play their first mmo and play once a week for 2 hours, just making some dailies and one encounter

twilightwatchman · February 2015

WTH? Nerfing the DPS of a class that ONLY has DPS? No compensating increase in defense or utility?

I don't even...

cococya · February 2015

It's odd we're seeing a nerf to a class that performed underwhelmingly already.

commanderdata001 · February 2015

TT was clearly doing wrongly calculated damage by Lol 2 bosses. It was now balanced somewhat.

From the recent DC artifact upgrade SW is milking the most so their damage could be even higher.

SW getting a nerf?

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