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Is Parkour-ing in Neverwinter bannable?
xkillonsight06
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as the title says, is it bannable? Because i really like jumping and climbing buildings and obstacles around protectors enclave and im quite concern about my character being banned by doing it.
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Occasionally the put up invisible walls but that seems to be an attempt to keep people from getting stuck. Of course it's impossible to actually get stuck since you can always change instances and go to the area above the Shrine.
Using parkour to get to a location in a dungeon or instance or PvP where mobs or players cannot attack you -- that is typically frowned upon and usually when invisible walls go up to prevent exploitation.
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If you have to ask if something is a bannable offense, err on the side of caution and assume it may be.
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Well here's the skinny on that: Protector's Enclave is already a huge workload on your computer and graphic card because it is a LOT of vertices and vector surface faces and object occlusion and such (sorry, 3D Modeling lingo there) - to put it simply: there's a LOT of geometry your computer has to track and draw, including a lot of other player avatars and their mounts and their companions. A lot more than just about any other zone or instance.
Needless to say there aways is an effort in the improvement of performance in zones, especially heavily-populated areas like Protector's Enclave. One of the performance hits in any zone or instance is the "walk path" nodes that are generated and required by the software. These walk path nodes basically tell the game software where you can and cannot walk - without the planes blocking the rooftops on PE, those nodes were created all over the tops of buildings there, which create a lot more load on your computer (it keeps track of where you can go and where you can't at all times.)
So, by blocking all those rooftops the software now creates a lot fewer walk path nodes (because it sees you cannot get to the rooftops, so does not create any up there) and this greatly improves the performance of PE.
This is a *really simplified* explanation of what and why. But overall, I don't think the Devs cared much about parkour in places like PE, but there are exploit concerns in the combat zones and especially in quest instance - those could be bannable for sure (if you practiced an exploit without ever reporting or something) - but as was said: these are evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
In any case: since the OP was asking about PE, I just thought I'd explain: The Devs aren't trying to restrict you from it in PE specifically, they're just trying to make the game work (especially PE) better for everyone. The what and why was highly detailed to Alpha and Silverstar Beta Testers way back during beta period.
Running around finding holes in Protector's Enclave's walls, while unintended, is certainly not in the same category as finding a hole to take you from the entrance of a dungeon to the last boss in seconds.
So ultimately one bit of parkour is not equal to another. The biggest factor on whether or not they will consider actions taken against your account is what you gain from the parkour.
I'm curious how is it fair for ME to grind through a BORING dungeon with countless useless mobs...
... when all I want is to face the boss and take the loot that it drops as fast as I can.
My time is precious. I have a family - kid&husband to take care of. A business to run.
So why would I have any respect for waves of trash mobs that don't drop anything worth my time?
So you *earn* it like everyone else. What makes you so much more special than any other player? I am not looking to be sarcastic or frictional, I'm genuinely curious. If everyone is to "grind through countless useless mobs" to earn the end reward, why should you not have to do what everyone else does?
I am simply answering your question with a question.
Well now you've opened up a morality discussion.
Is it right to steal a loaf of bread from rich greedy bread-store owner who used the mafia to put competitors out of business and thus is gouging customers for money to feed my starving family?
The big thing to remember is that you are playing in Cryptic's property. You can leave as you please but remeber that it is not your constitutional right to get tier 2 loot in 30 minutes of dungeon runs.
I see that you've capitalized the entire word "BORING". Unfortunately, this is completely irrelevant to the discussion whether it is fair or not.
I find working at a job BORING with a lot of USELESS beaurocracy. I don't think I'm being paid enough. I don't think its worth it. My time is also valuable. I have a family, friends, school and other duties to attend to.
Do I quit my job and look for a new one, or do I rob my company?
It has been bothering me for a long time so this was a much needed clarification. I knew riding that disturbing giant owl mount was bannable...
Parkour is fine. The fact that you refer to it as "parkour" rather than something like "terrain glitching" shows that you are doing it without intent of abusing it to gain an unfair advantage (which would be against TOS) unless you are intentionally wrongly defining it to hide the fact that you are engaging in something more like terrain glitching for an advantage. So, its all good.
Blindly following rules is for peons.
I prefer to be a revolutionary anarchist
I do my own stuff, in my own style. If I get caught, I spit on the system and deal with the consequences. In my own way
I'm way more important than any lifeless entity such as a business.
I am simultaneously attracted and repulsed! Sounds like my wife :P Anyways, you run a business but your more important than any such "lifeless entity"? When people do things that make your business less profitable/more difficult to run do you like that? Do unto others.
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Is that why your mage is so crappy Perseph? "Look at me I'M A REBEL!!!" *dies*
Lol Just messen with ya
I seriously doubt there would be any diciplinary action taken against people just jumping around in common areas and discovering different ways to climb things.
I'd follow the guidelines Lews and Ambis just set forward. They are part of the Dev Team so I think they have an idea about what is going to get you banned! Listen to them!!
I'm not that guy
The mods are not devs. They don't set rules. They apply rules, nothing more. They don't even have the full forum tools at their disposal.
And what's worse, they get paid nothing for their efforts.
Revolutionary anarchism is different than "I'm a rebel"
Everything else brought up in terms and morality and dungeons ect was truly pointless and sorry to say, stupid. The OP specifically asked about PE and nothing else. Why dungeons were brought into the discussion, I can only imagine since we already know that exploiting a dungeon can result in a ban (however rare those bans may be).
As far as bringing morality into it, really? We've all done the roof top jumps and we all know there is no unfair advantage to gain from it unless you're playing hide and go seek with another player lol.
Sorry but they are just forum mods and not part of the Dev team, if they were I think they could a better answer then "possibly". They don't even technically work for cryptic nor do they get paid for their work.
They don't have to ban you, they just reserve the right to
It's still common sense to tell yourself, "if I have to ask if this is bannable, then perhaps I should err on the side of caution and refrain from doing this..."
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You are more right than you know.
Which is why we don't give straight answers. It has nothing to do with whether we are staff or not.
As I said the biggest factor they consider when taking action against the accounts is what is gained from the violation.
The act of going into areas which the developers do not intend for you to go violate the Terms of Service.
However if you are just having fun running around in locations and exploring without any gain such as Protector's Enclave the chances that they will consider it a serious violation is unlikely at worst.
Doing the same thing in a dungeon to save time and effort, though, will not be looked at the same way and Cryptic/PWE are much more likely to penalize such an action.
This is just standard order of business in any MMO. These same responses come from every development studio because all situations are examined on a case to case basis on what is gained from the use of any unintended action.
So it is up to us to use common sense. If what you are doing is gaining an unfair advantage you should probably not be doing it. If you fail this D20 roll with a DC of 2 then yes you will be penalized.
Parkour in an of itself is not against the rules. What you do with it can be. Use your best judgement.
If they discover a bug which is serious enough that they would take action against your account the first thing they do is fix the bug to prevent players from further abusing it. Thus there is no reason to tell players not to do it because players can't do it if they wanted to.
Again, use your best judgement and consider if you are gaining an unfair advantage.
If you are you probably should not be doing it.
Doesn't make sense. Anyways, what you are trying to justify is called stealing and no, it isn't something to be proud of.
If you are doing it for fun and truly not causing any harm, No problem.
If you are doing it for an unfair advantage, to do something that wasn't intended to be done or done that way. Than, yes, I would consider it bannable.
Huh?
I don't try to justify anything like what you're saying.
All I was saying is that:
- following rules blindly is not for me
- I'm making my own decisions, good or bad, and I'm dealing with the consequences
I also don't think much of my business either. It's a thing we run so i have money. I don't think much of money as well. It's a thing I have to have so I can buy stuff.
Overall, I don't hold any respect for either businesses or money.
the community staff are offering this information as somewhat of a guide to the community. it's up to you if you want to accept it. because in the end, you are questioning the ToS, not the volunteer moderator that was trying to help you understand it.
Because the intent of the dungeon is that you should fight most, if not all, the waves of trash mobs between you and the boss in order to increase the time it takes to beat the boss and as such the value of the reward.
Seriously, you might as well ask why you need to go to work to earn money which you need to live. It's the same intention at the end of the day with an added bonus of providing a benefit to society as a whole.
If you come up with a way that lets you finish your workload at your job with the same results in half the time, you probably won't get fired, though.
No, but you would if that method involved skipping 90% of the actual job and only doing the stuff with visible results though. Maybe not immediately but it would happen eventually.