Guardian of Neverwinter vs Knight of the Feywild

rortie · October 2013

Guardian of Neverwinter vs Knight of the Feywild, which do/did you prefer and why?

rhoriangelus · October 2013

That's kind of a tough question. The regalia that comes with the Feywild pack is nicer than the mask you get with the Guardian pack, but the horse is nicer than the unicorn appearance-wise (they're both the same speed). I don't honestly know which companion is better because I don't really use them.

I'd suppose the Feywild pack comes with slightly better stuff in my opinion, such as access to the Moon Elf race, which was its main appeal for me. The Guardian pack comes with Greycloak's Legacy, which is really useful for those early levels, but you still out-level it really quickly. You also get a respec token with the Guardian pack (only one, unfortunately, but you get it).

It really comes down to whether or not you really want to play Moon Elves, or if you really hate that unicorn. :P

sockmunkey · October 2013

I gota go with the Fey pack.

If you are getting a pack for the special race, its your only option.
If you are getting a pack for the mount. You can get a recolored version of the guardian mount for cheap without getting the pack. The other unicorn, on the other hand, is absurdly over priced.
If you are getting a pack for the pet. The Slyph wins out. Both pets are strikers, so they do similar damage. However the Slyph is a ranged attacker. She generally stands well back and out of danger. So while she lacks the knockdown utility of the guardian pet, she tends to live far longer. Its rare I ever need to pick her back up.

beckylunatic · October 2013

Technically the Fey pack is better value for the money, but I don't like the aesthetics of the stuff in it enough to have thought it was worth buying for me. The only thing I feel bummed about missing is the moon elf race, but I won't pay $60 for that.

I don't regret the Guardian purchase.

rortie · October 2013

Thanks. I can see the appeal of either mount, but the companions were not so easy....

beckylunatic · October 2013

Just a further thought on the companions:
I don't know what class you play. My GWF quite likes his wolf, with the runes all slotted for recovery and the equipment with defense and life steal (level 60 greens, nothing socketed in them). I'm finding it actually better than a cleric for solo Feywild play.

poinette · October 2013

Personally, I like the unicorn, the sylph, and the Moon Elf.

axer128 · October 2013

sockmunkey wrote: »

I gota go with the Fey pack.

If you are getting a pack for the special race, its your only option.
If you are getting a pack for the mount. You can get a recolored version of the guardian mount for cheap without getting the pack. The other unicorn, on the other hand, is absurdly over priced.
If you are getting a pack for the pet. The Slyph wins out. Both pets are strikers, so they do similar damage. However the Slyph is a ranged attacker. She generally stands well back and out of danger. So while she lacks the knockdown utility of the guardian pet, she tends to live far longer. Its rare I ever need to pick her back up.

Imo the dire wolf is the far more valuable pet for most players.

Given the only serious impact it will have is at low levels, the wolves triple stagger abilities is very useful at those levels. It will interrupt even the most dangerous elites like ogres/orcs very commonly faced at low lvls.

The damage either pet does is negligible.. But that one stagger ability the wolf has is what sets him apart. It's far more useful than his lvl30 knockdown actually.

Early on in the beta we had a group with all 5 members having the wolf.. Did the orc assault skirmish, Don't think a single ogre got any attacks off on us, was pretty funny.

And the wolf is tough enough that it will survive just fine lvl1-50 if you give it a bit of hp/life steal gear. Past that, neither will survive long.

So from a purely mechanical aspect, the guardian pack wins.
-Same mount speed
-Faster lvl4-15 with the greycloak weapon
-Pet that will more reliable save you time/resources at lvl4-50ish (past that neither pets particularly useful and you really should be considering an augment if its gonna be a main character).

rortie · October 2013

The implication there is that no companion has any use beyond level 50. I have not found that to be the case.

kozi001 · October 2013

You forget Fey's Loamweave enchantment which is decent and can be used before you get your first soulforged...
Much better then the greycloak counterpart.

Armor Enhancement Slot: On receiving damage you have a 10% chance to deal Physical damage and root your attacker for 3 seconds (1 second on players). The damage scales with your level. This effect can only occur once every 60 seconds.

vs

greycloak :

Offense Slot: +10 Power
Offense Slot: +10 Critical Strike
Offense Slot: +10 Recovery

...

stercogburn · October 2013

I prefer the non-treehugger look.

rortie · October 2013

kozi001 wrote: »

You forget Fey's Loamweave enchantment which is decent and can be used before you get your first soulforged...
Much better then the greycloak counterpart.
...

Surely Axer knows about that. Hmmm, still deciding....

axer128 · October 2013

kozi001 wrote: »

You forget Fey's Loamweave enchantment which is decent and can be used before you get your first soulforged...
Much better then the greycloak counterpart.

Armor Enhancement Slot: On receiving damage you have a 10% chance to deal Physical damage and root your attacker for 3 seconds (1 second on players). The damage scales with your level. This effect can only occur once every 60 seconds.

vs

greycloak :

Offense Slot: +10 Power
Offense Slot: +10 Critical Strike
Offense Slot: +10 Recovery

...

uhh apples and oranges. Your comparing an item thats meant to save you a bit of time at lvl1-15, versus one that is only (reasonably) useable at lvl60.. Not to mention offensive vs defensive.

And imo, loamweave is incredibly weak. Weak enough to the point where it would have no real impact. It's not gonna save you from death like a lesser soulforge/barkshield/negation may, and sure while it may take you some time to get that, it versus nothing isn't that far off of a comparison either.

axer128 · October 2013

rortie wrote: »

The implication there is that no companion has any use beyond level 50. I have not found that to be the case.

Not what i'm implying.

I'm stating quite clearly there is no contest between augments and non-augment companions at lvl50+, as by that level the amount of stats an augment can add to you is very large, while other pets benefits become less relevant.

If you still can't afford an augment by then, nothing wrong with continuing to use either striker. However, most would start using either a healer or defender pet as the game starts to get challenging by that level - and strikers tend to die extremely quickly, again making either pet irrelevant.

knightfalz · October 2013

I have found the Dire Wolf to be a good companion, even at 60 for non-dungeon combat, on melee characters. If you quickly maneuver to get combat advantage, the prones done on enemies by the wolf provide excellent damage mitigation.

I have found the Sylph to be a good companion for ranged characters while leveling, but I have not tried it on a 60 yet. It is more likely to stay at range, making it a bit more durable than companions that default to melee.

Between the mounts, the spikes on the barding of the Gaurdian mount are cliptastic with many of the cloaks and some of the other long dangling cloth bits. However, the horse may fit more character concepts than the unicorn.

knightfalz · October 2013

axer128 wrote: »

I'm stating quite clearly there is no contest between augments and non-augment companions at lvl50+, as by that level the amount of stats an augment can add to you is very large, while other pets benefits become less relevant.

That depends on the situation at hand, mostly on what the player is doing. In higher tiered group content, augment companions are almost necessary due to survival issues of the companion. In lower tiered content, or when solo, one may find the abilities of a companion to be more useful than simply bringing along more numbers.

darkjeff · October 2013

Comparing the two enchantments isn't really apples and oranges.

The Greycloak one replaces the need for early offense enchantments, and rapidly becomes obsolete as a result. The Loamweave replaces the need for early armor enchantments, and doesn't become obsolete until you're able to afford the one you desire.

There's considerably greater utility on the Loamweave. Offense/Defense enchantments tend to be discarded, nobody cares about selling old items with enchants still on them, nor about overriding existing enchants with higher ranking ones. They're cheaper to swap than to extract. This isn't true for Armor Enchantments. Even if Loamweave isn't as good as anything else, when you're wearing Blues you can slot it in and not worry about "wasting" it or having to pay to extract it. Just toss in a new Loamweave when you get your T1 set, and again when you get your T2 set. Then you overwrite it with something better.

The value is much greater there.

rortie · October 2013

Augment companions are expensive. But a non-hardcore player like me can plan for that long term.

kozi001 · October 2013

axer128 wrote: »

And imo, loamweave is incredibly weak. It's not gonna save you from death like a lesser soulforge/barkshield/negation may, ...

Loamweave can't be compared to soulforged/barkshield.
I only said it can be used to a newbies first level 60/T1 armor until you get some better enchantment and a T2 set to put in.
I think the greycloak's +10P, +10c, +10Rec is such minor stats compared to other enchantments. (A rank 2 enchantment has better stats)
And it can't help you through leveling because constantly reinserting just doesn't worth AD.

grungebrmpk · October 2013

I think guardian is more for boys :P

mrdannn · October 2013

Can we trade or put the mount we get in the pack up in AH? I want to get the mystic nightmare horse, so I'm thinking of maybe selling the unicorn or the medium horse and get the mystic nightmare

rhoriangelus · October 2013

You can't sell the mounts, no. They're account wide and BoP, like Zen mounts.

grungebrmpk · October 2013

Hm I don't think so, because you can reclaim the mount for every char, that way you can sell infinite mounts :P

beckylunatic · October 2013

kozi001 wrote: »

I think the greycloak's +10P, +10c, +10Rec is such minor stats compared to other enchantments. (A rank 2 enchantment has better stats)
And it can't help you through leveling because constantly reinserting just doesn't worth AD.

Huh? It's free to reclaim a zillion times. You can sell your items or destroy the Greycloak enchantment by overwriting it with impunity, and just go back to the claim agent and get another. You can also wear multiple copies if you slot them into different items one at a time.

Because the stats are weak, it's not a long-term strategy, but it's not a bad thing to have around when you'd like to keep your rank ones and twos to fuse them up.

bioshrike · October 2013

Wait... isn't the medium horse from the guardian pack only T2, while the unicorn is T3?

beckylunatic · October 2013

Colour of the inventory item is blue, but it's 110% speed. And the speed is correct because this is what it was advertised as.

grungebrmpk · October 2013

The horse is blue, the unicorn I never see, but I think yes... but still million times better for me the horse (skin). They have the same speed though.

bioshrike · October 2013

beckylunatic wrote: »

Colour of the inventory item is blue, but it's 110% speed. And the speed is correct because this is what it was advertised as.

Ah, well that's a weird implementation, then.

Anyway... call me back when they have a pack w/ a war elephant mount.

grungebrmpk · October 2013

Something like this? :P

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld7ojjgqyk1qz5y5go1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI6WLSGT7Y3ET7ADQ&Expires=1382045672&Signature=6qYNFCXBXBDtndT0D7UqHwQ8pQE%3D#_=_

mrdannn · October 2013

the nightmare mystic and the slag are like the best mount so far I think, the owlbear kinda weird

rortie · October 2013

I like magical things in RPGs, but the unicorn doesn't gel with my characters. I'm starting to feel the Feywild pack is a little better overall, but the Guardian pack's horse mount is preferable. Pity there's not a Create Your Own(tm) pack....

Guardian of Neverwinter vs Knight of the Feywild

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