. . . . .Thankfully that is flat out wrong, no offense. Open Help, press GM Ticket, choose Behavior and then input the Author's handle and in the body give the details on why it is an exploit mission. Include the Short-code.
. . . . Again, no you are misunderstanding. Nothing will be done by us arguing what is right and what is wrong. I have given you the facts yet there is always a but this or that. Where does this argument end? That is what I meant. There's no need to argue the facts. Exploiting is wrong. Exploiting to overcome exploiters is wrong. That is the bottom line in my point.
I just don't think that running your own quest all the way to the end is an exploit. I'm a player. I count as a player. I can't short-circuit through my own quest any more than anyone else can. So why should I not count?
When was this imaginary fix put in? Because this isn't the way it works. I just got my latest quest daily eligible last-night/this-morning with my own plays. 6 reviews/plays were from others. The rest was me.
It seems like you either have to wait for the foundry daily reset (7pm central?) or maybe play a different foundry in between each. Not sure which.
None of my plays have counted. Which as I said, doesn't make sense to me. I'm a player. I have to spend the same amount of my own time in my own quest as anyone else has to. It should count just as much.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited July 2013
What this conversation comes down to is that because some people are so willing to exploit they can and do go around the walls and barriers that prevent exploitation so it does exist in moderation until action is taken against the exploit quests. Since those quests do exist even though there are walls and barriers to prevent it some of you feel the walls and barriers should just be removed.
That's not a really great way to look at the world though.
There's always going to be somebody willing to cheat the system both in real life and in video games but the systems provide obstacles which will prevent the vast majority of wrong doings.
So in essence what this argument is comparable to is saying that since crime exists there should be nothing in place to prevent it. Would you ever say remove jails or the justice system simply because it doesn't prevent or catch all crime?
Of course not.
Guys, replays do not count towards total plays, so being unable to get a credit on your author account loses you 1 play.
So the favoured quests for dailies (even non-exploit ones) are racking up 10s of 1000s of plays entirely from being run by new players and not from all the 4x/day-every-day repeat plays?
. . . . .It's all good. In my post you quoted, I was considering them all, plays, ratings and reviews. All are equally abusable if authors are allowed to adjust their own work's statistics by playing them.
No, they are not.
Each @Account can only leave one rating and one review for each NW-BLAHBLAH1.
So it is almost impossible for a single @Account to abuse the ratings/reviews system, no matter how many plays that @Account can record against each NW-BLAHBLAH1.
But your concern about editing a quest after it gets a good rating is an equally valid point for every NW-BLAHBLAH1 ever made.
Anyone of us could now edit one of our 300+ Plays, 200+ Reviews and 4Star+ rating quests to include one room, one mob and the chest.
Under the logic (or lack thereof) that you have just used as long as the @Author's plays weren't recorded against that NW-BLAHBLAH1 that would not constitute an exploit.
If your argument about @Author plays not counting towards the total is in any way valid (and for the record it isn't) then the only logical conclusion to draw from that is that all NW-BLAHBLAH1s get locked from being able to be edited the moment the @Author hits Publish.
Furthermore, it would be discriminatory under EU Law (and if you trade, offer services in the EU you are required to abide by EU Law) to treat @Authors in this way but not @Players; from which the only logical conclusion is that each and every @Account can only record 1 play against each and every NW-BLAHBLAH1.
Now, if that is what takes to be treating all parties involved fairly and equally I'm happy for Cryptic/PWE to go down that route.
But Cryptic/PWE won't do that because doing it would kill the Foundry overnight.
And, as just about every player, every review site, and most of Cryptic staff know - for a fact - a dead Foundry is a Game-On-Life-Support.
Because the quality of the content put out by Cryptic with the full editor isn't even remotely close to the quality of the content that the most gifted Foundry Authors (I'm thinking Nyghoma, Mrthebozer, Chilli, Zovya, Lovepeas, Pris23 etc here) have managed to create with a very, very limited and bugged Foundry.
So, it's extremely hard to get enough playthroughs on these quests. They aren't eligible for Foundry daily until 20 plays... and NO ONE wants to play quests that aren't foundry daily eligible!
So I've had my husband playing it (thank you, honey), but I keep hearing how "your plays count". But mine don't change the play count at all. I thought maybe I was doing it too many times in a row, so I was giving time between them... but the count simply doesn't change from my own plays through it.
I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. If you don't know 20 people in this game willing to give up their time to run a pointless quest, you can't even make it so that people will play it because it's ineligible for the ONLY reward for running them at all!
That's just not right, and it really needs to be corrected. I appreciate encouraging authors to run it multiple times themselves. That encourages working out bugs before subjecting others to it. But when your own plays don't count towards the total, you have now put the end goal of making it daily eligible out of range for newer or less extroverted players.
That is a problem and should be fixed, please.
(and I mean my character in-game isn't counting, not that foundry editing runs don't--I know those don't, but have been told using my reg char in game did count, but it doesn't!)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought eligibility was based on foundry # of ratings, not # of plays.
When it comes to ratings and plays you shouldn't be able to have your own stuff counted because your opinion is obviously skewed. Point of the rating system is for players, not authors.
I suppose you could create some alt account if you really want to push your plays up, but you only get one rating, so that's not really helping much.
Much bigger issue is not about getting eligible, it's after 3 weeks when you fall off the list into the great beyond. They should create some kind of established tab that doesn't crash when you open it.
So what would stop an exploiter setting up a second account? In fact you can bet they already have. So as with most things it is the innocent honest people that just want plays that suffer.
Another point, this Daily foundry thing sucks! Pat on the back for you, you have done one quest that you have already done 35 times before in 35 days. Here have some free money. But you who has just done 30 foundry quest's in a week trying to swap reviews. In your face, you get nothing.
Zeb, no security is perfect, but every measure has a cost.
What some are saying is that the cost to legitimate players is higher than the effective benefit.
Now, I'll give you that in this particular case (authors self-rating), I don't think it matters much.
Though... It's weird, I could swear my replays counted for my own missions. And getting one play of one of my three a day made for very low chance of misreading plays.
But they aren't published anymore so I can't test.
Campaign: The Fenwick Cycle NWS-DKR9GB7KH
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
What this conversation comes down to is that because some people are so willing to exploit they can and do go around the walls and barriers that prevent exploitation so it does exist in moderation until action is taken against the exploit quests. Since those quests do exist even though there are walls and barriers to prevent it some of you feel the walls and barriers should just be removed.
No.
We just want the walls and barriers applied equally to all.
We all know which Author has 5+ copies of the same exploit map up at the moment.
I know for a fact I have reported two of them; they are still there.
Wuhsin and Kamalicious reported it so often they got banned.
What kind of message does that send by the way?
Don't ban the exploiter, but ban the people reporting him.
Come on!
And lets not have any guff about it takes time to determine if a map is an exploit - those maps are so obviously exploits that a blind man could see it in under 10 seconds.
PWE/Cryptic need to do a whole lot better than that.
Look, you guys are community moderators, you have a direct line the the people "behind the scenes".
I'll PM you the name of the map, go play it, it'll take 2 minutes of your time.
You tell them its an exploit.
Then if its still there tomorrow we'll know what the real deal is.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought eligibility was based on foundry # of ratings, not # of plays.
When it comes to ratings and plays you shouldn't be able to have your own stuff counted because your opinion is obviously skewed. Point of the rating system is for players, not authors.
I suppose you could create some alt account if you really want to push your plays up, but you only get one rating, so that's not really helping much.
Much bigger issue is not about getting eligible, it's after 3 weeks when you fall off the list into the great beyond. They should create some kind of established tab that doesn't crash when you open it.
Wonderfully said Dzogen.
I'm the first to say there's flaws in the system...
But authors not being able to review or bump up their content isn't one of them.
There's ways around it as Dzogen said but those walls and barriers make it, at the very least, a bit more difficult and annoying to exploit the system.
None of my plays have counted. Which as I said, doesn't make sense to me. I'm a player. I have to spend the same amount of my own time in my own quest as anyone else has to. It should count just as much.
Odd. I just re-ran my quest with an alt character that hadn't ran it yet. And it got credit for the play.
'We all know which Author has 5+ copies of the same exploit map up at the moment'.
I have got to come clean, I don't have a clue. I have never come across one myself. Although 99.9% of the ones I run are from this board.
Also I don't care if people exploit. That's their business. All I want is equal rewards for running and making foundry as other parts of the game and a better search system so that people that like The Beatles can type I like The Beatles and BANG! A Magical Mystery Tour! Ready to go..
And while I'm at it I would like all the professions stuff in the foundry so I can start that part of the game. May as well improve the pvp as well.
Ok, I just sent ambisinisterr a PM with the @Author and all 5 Short-Codes.
This guy has over 6,000 total plays.
One of the copies of the quest has over 4,000 plays.
Now, if even just 1% of the player population is honest and reported that quest (and we all know its higher than 1%) that means Cryptic have 400+ reports on that one quest. And it is still there.
Cryptic / Mods
You guys desperately need to convince us you care enough about this situation to do something.
uh, your own play thoughs should not count because YOU created it, so know how to 'exploit' the map to your own advantage, via shortcuts, etc. It's like having a DM play in their own real world pen and paper rpg without any other 'players'... it can be done since you can use your imagination and dice, but it'll be a lonely boring world... rpgs are meant to be a social activity both irl and in virtual.
Actually, for 'fairness' they ought to make it so that after it's live you can't go in your own unless on the test server thingy that they use for creating the foundry stuff before it's 'live'... but let you use your own character there, etc.
uh, your own play thoughs should not count because YOU created it, so know how to 'exploit' the map to your own advantage, via shortcuts, etc.
That's only a valid argument if there are such short-cuts.
The ONLY short-cut in any of my quest is skipping through the dialogue without reading.
BTW: As doing so would decrease the play-time, probably below the 15 mins eligibility mark for Daily Foundries then any author doing so would very foolish, and almost guaranteeing that their content gets less plays not more.
uh, your own play thoughs should not count because YOU created it, so know how to 'exploit' the map to your own advantage, via shortcuts, etc. It's like having a DM play in their own real world pen and paper rpg without any other 'players'... it can be done since you can use your imagination and dice, but it'll be a lonely boring world... rpgs are meant to be a social activity both irl and in virtual.
They already made it so your own reviews don't count. Not sure why they'd bother with plays too. Plays don't suggest anything about the map except that it can be finished and its been completed X amount of times.
Actually, for 'fairness' they ought to make it so that after it's live you can't go in your own unless on the test server thingy that they use for creating the foundry stuff before it's 'live'... but let you use your own character there, etc.
No thanks. I make maps I want to play. I run them a lot for that reason. I don't see what 'fairness' has to do with it. Unless you are worried about someone is taking shortcuts to get dailies done faster than you. Or if someone is using a cheat map to get lots of loot. And honestly if they are willing to do that junk, then they'd just make another account for it anyway.
. . . . . Your own account's plays on that same account's foundry works have never counted towards anything, if they did - it was a fluke bug and has apparently been fixed.
Ok, before the thread gets completely derailed with call outs. Is this the official stance? Or a moderators opinion? Do I need to report somewhere that my plays are still getting counted?
I don't know what the official policy is, but I've absolutely gotten plays credit for my quests. My first quest I pushed into daily eligible just a few days ago, and my current work has two total plays - both by me for testing purposes.
I don't see the harm in allowing author plays to count toward the total. If it's going to be daily eligible, they each need to be at least 15 minutes anyway (on average) or it's a waste of time.
If I spend at a bare minimum 5 hours playing my quest to get it daily eligible, how is that any different from spending 5 hours spamming Zone chat with reward offerings to play my quest, or doing reviews of other Authors' quests in trade? Promotion is promotion.
If someone wants to run their own quest 1000 times to make it look popular, let them. I'm sure there are more efficient ways to get a large play count than doing it yourself. I think all the proponents of author plays counting are interested in is pushing it over that arbitrary 20-play boundary for daily status. Without that status, your quest is effectively invisible to strangers.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited July 2013
. . . . . Naming & Shaming is not okay. Discussing Moderation is not okay. This thread is going off the rails, and fast so I am trying to put the brakes on one last time.
. . . . . Opinions have been said, this thread has been forwarded for review by PWE and so have the reported exploit maps sent to Ambisinister via PM. If we have to moderate this thread anymore, repeat offenders will gain infractions upon their account and this thread will be locked. Read our Revised Rules of Conduct please, as they just recently changed and it is your responsibility to keep apprised of them and adhere to them. Thanks!
. . . . . Your own account's plays on that same account's foundry works have never counted towards anything, if they did - it was a fluke bug and has apparently been fixed.
Ok, before the thread gets completely derailed with call outs. Is this the official stance? Or a moderators opinion? Do I need to report somewhere that my plays are still getting counted?
. . . . . The Terms of Service and In-Game EULA (End Use License Agreement) is what dictates what is right and what is wrong. Please review them and make your own judgement. I will not interpret them with a degree of certainty that is only allowed of PWE Staff themselves. It is a safe bet though, if it seems wrong - it probably is.
. . . . . The Terms of Service and In-Game EULA (End Use License Agreement) is what dictates what is right and what is wrong. Please review them and make your own judgement. I will not interpret them with a degree of certainty that is only allowed of PWE Staff themselves. It is a safe bet though, if it seems wrong - it probably is.
I guess that's where we differ. It doesn't seem wrong to me. At all. Everyone has their own opinions on this. One person in this thread said he thought authors shouldn't even be able to play their own maps. Other's think its fine to get your first 20 plays yourself. The only opinion that matters here is PWEs. And I've not seen anything that says their stance on it. That's why I asked.
It never even crossed my mind that it might not be intended for us to be able to count up the plays on our own maps from full play-throughs. Imo if they wanted to block it, they would have just like they did with reviews. As it is, it seems to be limited. First play from every character I have counts. After that I have to wait a day or two and/or (not sure) play other peoples foundries.
. . . . . The Terms of Service and In-Game EULA (End Use License Agreement) is what dictates what is right and what is wrong. Please review them and make your own judgement. I will not interpret them with a degree of certainty that is only allowed of PWE Staff themselves. It is a safe bet though, if it seems wrong - it probably is.
It's impossible to report a bug that something is not working as intended if we have no idea what 'intended' is.
I realize Cryptic has a thing for being, well, cryptic about design, but is this really productive?
Campaign: The Fenwick Cycle NWS-DKR9GB7KH
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
It's impossible to report a bug that something is not working as intended if we have no idea what 'intended' is.
I realize Cryptic has a thing for being, well, cryptic about design, but is this really productive?
. . . . . If you think it is a bug, exploit, or exploiter, report it and let Crytpic do their job. Arguing this does no good as I have told you, and many others, the methods to report any suspected problem behavior. Why this must be argued is beyond my understanding right now, for that I do apologize. When dealing with problem players or exploits, suspected or known, Report, Report, Report. I cannot stress that enough. The forums are not the place for this. Discuss it with Support through... you guessed it! Reports!
. . . . . If you just want to report something and don't want a response, Bug Report it. Otherwise file a GM Ticket or a Support Ticket through the web site. In the latter two methods, if the report is closed and you still feel you aren't done discussing it with Support, reply to the ticket through the Support Site and you will be able to re-open it. You must do this within 90 days of the ticket being closed, else it will then be truly closed and a new ticket will then need to be made to discuss it further.
This has nothing to do with knowing the correct channels to use to report things.
Its about knowing what WAI is so we know what to report.
Something as fundamentally important to the Foundry Community as this should have been decided upon way back in Alpha. If it has been decided upon then, in my opinion, PWE/Crytpic are being unprofessional in not letting the Community Mods know what WAI is in this case.
If it hasn't been decided upon yet then... ...well...
For the record Zeb, I think you are more than smart enough to understand what the issue is here.
For the record Zeb, I think you are more than smart enough to understand what the issue is here.
. . . . . That may be but the Rules stand firm and I can only do as I am told and allowed - Such things need to be handled and answered through Support when dealing with Exploits and Exploiters. PWE may wish to inform players of certain things, at their sole discretion. Please make such requests and complaints through the proper channels, so yes it does all boil down to discussing this through the proper channels - the forums are not one of these channels. I'm ending this now as it's just going back into another circular argument and I am now just repeating myself.
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I just don't think that running your own quest all the way to the end is an exploit. I'm a player. I count as a player. I can't short-circuit through my own quest any more than anyone else can. So why should I not count?
None of my plays have counted. Which as I said, doesn't make sense to me. I'm a player. I have to spend the same amount of my own time in my own quest as anyone else has to. It should count just as much.
Pick your side, take a stand, save--or kill--your former allies.
That's not a really great way to look at the world though.
There's always going to be somebody willing to cheat the system both in real life and in video games but the systems provide obstacles which will prevent the vast majority of wrong doings.
So in essence what this argument is comparable to is saying that since crime exists there should be nothing in place to prevent it. Would you ever say remove jails or the justice system simply because it doesn't prevent or catch all crime?
Of course not.
So the favoured quests for dailies (even non-exploit ones) are racking up 10s of 1000s of plays entirely from being run by new players and not from all the 4x/day-every-day repeat plays?
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No, they are not.
Each @Account can only leave one rating and one review for each NW-BLAHBLAH1.
So it is almost impossible for a single @Account to abuse the ratings/reviews system, no matter how many plays that @Account can record against each NW-BLAHBLAH1.
But your concern about editing a quest after it gets a good rating is an equally valid point for every NW-BLAHBLAH1 ever made.
Anyone of us could now edit one of our 300+ Plays, 200+ Reviews and 4Star+ rating quests to include one room, one mob and the chest.
Under the logic (or lack thereof) that you have just used as long as the @Author's plays weren't recorded against that NW-BLAHBLAH1 that would not constitute an exploit.
If your argument about @Author plays not counting towards the total is in any way valid (and for the record it isn't) then the only logical conclusion to draw from that is that all NW-BLAHBLAH1s get locked from being able to be edited the moment the @Author hits Publish.
Furthermore, it would be discriminatory under EU Law (and if you trade, offer services in the EU you are required to abide by EU Law) to treat @Authors in this way but not @Players; from which the only logical conclusion is that each and every @Account can only record 1 play against each and every NW-BLAHBLAH1.
Now, if that is what takes to be treating all parties involved fairly and equally I'm happy for Cryptic/PWE to go down that route.
But Cryptic/PWE won't do that because doing it would kill the Foundry overnight.
And, as just about every player, every review site, and most of Cryptic staff know - for a fact - a dead Foundry is a Game-On-Life-Support.
Because the quality of the content put out by Cryptic with the full editor isn't even remotely close to the quality of the content that the most gifted Foundry Authors (I'm thinking Nyghoma, Mrthebozer, Chilli, Zovya, Lovepeas, Pris23 etc here) have managed to create with a very, very limited and bugged Foundry.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought eligibility was based on foundry # of ratings, not # of plays.
When it comes to ratings and plays you shouldn't be able to have your own stuff counted because your opinion is obviously skewed. Point of the rating system is for players, not authors.
I suppose you could create some alt account if you really want to push your plays up, but you only get one rating, so that's not really helping much.
Much bigger issue is not about getting eligible, it's after 3 weeks when you fall off the list into the great beyond. They should create some kind of established tab that doesn't crash when you open it.
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Another point, this Daily foundry thing sucks! Pat on the back for you, you have done one quest that you have already done 35 times before in 35 days. Here have some free money. But you who has just done 30 foundry quest's in a week trying to swap reviews. In your face, you get nothing.
What some are saying is that the cost to legitimate players is higher than the effective benefit.
Now, I'll give you that in this particular case (authors self-rating), I don't think it matters much.
Though... It's weird, I could swear my replays counted for my own missions. And getting one play of one of my three a day made for very low chance of misreading plays.
But they aren't published anymore so I can't test.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
No.
We just want the walls and barriers applied equally to all.
We all know which Author has 5+ copies of the same exploit map up at the moment.
I know for a fact I have reported two of them; they are still there.
Wuhsin and Kamalicious reported it so often they got banned.
What kind of message does that send by the way?
Don't ban the exploiter, but ban the people reporting him.
Come on!
And lets not have any guff about it takes time to determine if a map is an exploit - those maps are so obviously exploits that a blind man could see it in under 10 seconds.
PWE/Cryptic need to do a whole lot better than that.
Look, you guys are community moderators, you have a direct line the the people "behind the scenes".
I'll PM you the name of the map, go play it, it'll take 2 minutes of your time.
You tell them its an exploit.
Then if its still there tomorrow we'll know what the real deal is.
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Wonderfully said Dzogen.
I'm the first to say there's flaws in the system...
But authors not being able to review or bump up their content isn't one of them.
There's ways around it as Dzogen said but those walls and barriers make it, at the very least, a bit more difficult and annoying to exploit the system.
This is wrong. You need 20 plays in addition to 5 ratings to be eligible for the daily.
Odd. I just re-ran my quest with an alt character that hadn't ran it yet. And it got credit for the play.
I have got to come clean, I don't have a clue. I have never come across one myself. Although 99.9% of the ones I run are from this board.
Also I don't care if people exploit. That's their business. All I want is equal rewards for running and making foundry as other parts of the game and a better search system so that people that like The Beatles can type I like The Beatles and BANG! A Magical Mystery Tour! Ready to go..
And while I'm at it I would like all the professions stuff in the foundry so I can start that part of the game. May as well improve the pvp as well.
Honestly though I do like the game.
This guy has over 6,000 total plays.
One of the copies of the quest has over 4,000 plays.
Now, if even just 1% of the player population is honest and reported that quest (and we all know its higher than 1%) that means Cryptic have 400+ reports on that one quest. And it is still there.
Cryptic / Mods
You guys desperately need to convince us you care enough about this situation to do something.
All The Best
Looking For Reviews For Your Foundry Quest?
Drop By Scribe's Enclave & Meet Up With Volunteer Reviewers.
Actually, for 'fairness' they ought to make it so that after it's live you can't go in your own unless on the test server thingy that they use for creating the foundry stuff before it's 'live'... but let you use your own character there, etc.
That's only a valid argument if there are such short-cuts.
The ONLY short-cut in any of my quest is skipping through the dialogue without reading.
BTW: As doing so would decrease the play-time, probably below the 15 mins eligibility mark for Daily Foundries then any author doing so would very foolish, and almost guaranteeing that their content gets less plays not more.
All The Best
Looking For Reviews For Your Foundry Quest?
Drop By Scribe's Enclave & Meet Up With Volunteer Reviewers.
They already made it so your own reviews don't count. Not sure why they'd bother with plays too. Plays don't suggest anything about the map except that it can be finished and its been completed X amount of times.
No thanks. I make maps I want to play. I run them a lot for that reason. I don't see what 'fairness' has to do with it. Unless you are worried about someone is taking shortcuts to get dailies done faster than you. Or if someone is using a cheat map to get lots of loot. And honestly if they are willing to do that junk, then they'd just make another account for it anyway.
Ok, before the thread gets completely derailed with call outs. Is this the official stance? Or a moderators opinion? Do I need to report somewhere that my plays are still getting counted?
Both. You need 5 reviews and 20 plays to be eligible for the daily.
oh ok, my misunderstanding then..
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I don't see the harm in allowing author plays to count toward the total. If it's going to be daily eligible, they each need to be at least 15 minutes anyway (on average) or it's a waste of time.
If I spend at a bare minimum 5 hours playing my quest to get it daily eligible, how is that any different from spending 5 hours spamming Zone chat with reward offerings to play my quest, or doing reviews of other Authors' quests in trade? Promotion is promotion.
If someone wants to run their own quest 1000 times to make it look popular, let them. I'm sure there are more efficient ways to get a large play count than doing it yourself. I think all the proponents of author plays counting are interested in is pushing it over that arbitrary 20-play boundary for daily status. Without that status, your quest is effectively invisible to strangers.
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Felling the Forgemaster: NW-DOHCJ5VE3 (Elligible for Foundry Daily)
Fleshrend's Big Adventure: NW-DBWJJYFDK
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I guess that's where we differ. It doesn't seem wrong to me. At all. Everyone has their own opinions on this. One person in this thread said he thought authors shouldn't even be able to play their own maps. Other's think its fine to get your first 20 plays yourself. The only opinion that matters here is PWEs. And I've not seen anything that says their stance on it. That's why I asked.
It never even crossed my mind that it might not be intended for us to be able to count up the plays on our own maps from full play-throughs. Imo if they wanted to block it, they would have just like they did with reviews. As it is, it seems to be limited. First play from every character I have counts. After that I have to wait a day or two and/or (not sure) play other peoples foundries.
It's impossible to report a bug that something is not working as intended if we have no idea what 'intended' is.
I realize Cryptic has a thing for being, well, cryptic about design, but is this really productive?
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
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Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
This has nothing to do with knowing the correct channels to use to report things.
Its about knowing what WAI is so we know what to report.
Something as fundamentally important to the Foundry Community as this should have been decided upon way back in Alpha. If it has been decided upon then, in my opinion, PWE/Crytpic are being unprofessional in not letting the Community Mods know what WAI is in this case.
If it hasn't been decided upon yet then... ...well...
For the record Zeb, I think you are more than smart enough to understand what the issue is here.
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