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I stopped reading as I clearly said. Seems a mod has been here to delete half the posts in this thread so it doesn't make much sense anymore.
Well, that's the thing... you stopped reading. If you had continued you would have known I purchased both packs. Regardless, as the moderator has pointed out, it is not the OP of a thread that sets conditions on who may reply to it.
Well, that's the thing... you stopped reading. If you had continued you would have known I purchased both packs. Regardless, as the moderator has pointed out, it is not the OP of a thread that sets conditions on who may reply to it.
I stopped reading because your post was nonsensical. And you are right I can't force you to stop. I can however tell you that your opinion is unwanted. You represent a very tiny minority. The tiny minority that bought both packs. I am in the slightly larger minority that bought only one. You are happy. I am not. Others I've spoken to in game who also only bought the GF pack are not happy. That is all that should matter to them.
I stopped reading because your post was nonsensical. And you are right I can't force you to stop. I can however tell you that your opinion is unwanted. You represent a very tiny minority. The tiny minority that bought both packs. I am in the slightly larger minority that bought only one. You are happy. I am not. Others I've spoken to in game who also only bought the GF pack are not happy. That is all that should matter to them.
I only bought the Guardian Founder Pack and couldn't care less about a new pack being offered. It is expected from any FREE to play company that needs to make money. I feel that it was done too quickly however. Then again, I am speaking with my wallet and not giving them any more money, for this and a couple other reasons. Namely horrible PVP, annoying dungeon mechanics (adds are boring and very much overused), lack of storage to go with the asinine enchanting system, and releasing PVE content that requires PVP to get into.
The fact that you feel cheated because the company, which charges nothing to see the entirety of the game, is trying to make money says far more about you then it does about them.
I stopped reading because your post was nonsensical. And you are right I can't force you to stop. I can however tell you that your opinion is unwanted. You represent a very tiny minority. The tiny minority that bought both packs. I am in the slightly larger minority that bought only one. You are happy. I am not. Others I've spoken to in game who also only bought the GF pack are not happy. That is all that should matter to them.
As you stopped reading right at the beginning of my post, according to your own words, you are unable to voice an educated opinion as the the quality of my post. I don't care if you don't want my opinion, and your desire of my opinion is the only one you can express with absolute certainty. The relative sizes of minorities doesn't mean much as they both remain minorities. After all, we are both part of the tiniest minority... that minority of the players of a game that actually post on the forum.
I am happy, you are not. You have spoken with others in game unhappy with their GF pack purchase. I have spoken with others in game happy with their GF pack purchase. Neither of us have interacted with a vast proportion of the players in game, so our interactions aren't really that telling in any case.
The posters in this very thread were by no means in full agreement with one point of view over another. There is no reason why they should pay more attention to either view of the argument, as neither view is by any means clearly more widespread than another.
In any case, the extent to which an opinion is held has nothing to do with the validity of the held opinion, just the popularity of it, which is nowhere near the importance of the validity when one is considering the value of the opinion.
On another side note...**** Knightfalz....you sure must have some deep pockets... o.o im jelly.
Not really, $200 and $60 dollars respectively are not huge sums of money. I don't indulge in several money draining activities some enjoy, such as alcohol and tobacco. I also don't have a large amount of debt, draining away my discretionary income with required monthly payments, such as loans and credit card bills.
Also, since I play the game a fair bit, though the cost may seem large when one looks at the total, when it is broken down in terms of cost per hour, it has been fairly economical compared to many other entertainment choices I could have made.
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seduiriMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 23Arc User
edited July 2013
Hmm. Fair enough, i see your point. That is the reason i will probably be buying the new pack. While on one hand one might see it as a waste of money. I know for a fact its going to be slowly spent on junk like chips and snacky foods and such. Most of my time is spent either on wow, never winter of some sort of game, so might aswell spend it on something that will make my gaming exsperience more enjoyable.
I would have bought the drow if it was part of a 60 dollar package, but it wasnt. And i simply did not have an extra 200 dollars laying around :c. Especially since i could get a drow if i waited 60 days...still waiting...*sigh* :P
Why would they throw you a bone/ They already got your money. Cryptic is a business, not a welfare system. Big business dont see customers, they see $.
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Right about now I am feeling a bit put off (read as cheated) by your course of action in releasing these new packs. We Guardian Founders paid you the price of a new game 59$ before the game was officially launched. That's an act of good faith. For this we got:
1 Epic mount for each character we make (normally priced 2-3k zen) Little did we know that this exact mount would be available to others with a better color scheme even.. -_-
1 Purple companion (which as it turns out is pretty terrible all things considered since the stone is waaay better and is normally priced 2k zen)
We get a lousy weapon that only lasts till level 15 at which time even greens start to out class it and any looted dungeon item blows it away. This means 2 hours approximately per character of something. This should have been a weapon which continued to be useful as you leveled. Such as an item which matches your level at .9 strength to an equally leveled blue item. (level 19 dungeon item damage 100, greywolf's legacy weapon level 19 damage 99) That you use all the way up to 60.
We got no custom races. (All new packs that cost 59$ come with a special mount, race, and more!)
We got a ring you can't even use to alter the appearance of another ring to make that other ring glow (Eg totally garbage since it's junk even at level 15)
An item that drops an item that is worth 30 copper and cannot be equipped.
No actual bags to expand our inventory.
Some endless party poppers which require you keep them IN YOUR ACTUAL BAGS (NOT THE BANK) for the timer to count down making it totally useless even beyond useless.
And a mask which for all intents and purposes can't even be used to custom skin a helmet meaning if you don't buy a costume (one of 3 options) outfit you have to run around naked to even use it.
That amounts to bull**** since all of the "extras" are total garbage not worth the price paid and any other non founder out there can get better things than us at less cost. All this to say. It wasn't worth it and it makes me feel as tho I got the shaft.
How to rectify this situation is much easier than you think. Throw us a bone people. Make us feel good about our purchase! Give us a custom race we can use. Fix the weapon to be more useful. Something to make it feel like our money was well spent. We did what many won't do. We put real $$ in your account. All of these new packs are let's face it better than what we paid 59$ for and they are the same price.
In a perfect world (pun intended) you would have not added new packs, you would have added items to the existing packs to make them more desirable. This would have shown us paying customers that we mean something to you and that you appreciate our business. Rather than say screw you guys, we want someone elses money.. we already got yours so stfu and go away.
They clearly announced the content before you bought it... Companion from level 1.... You havnt realised how much easyer that made it up to around lvl 50. Your weapons saves you TONS of time and makes it super easy to level at the longest and most painfull areas.
You're asking for the best stuff In-Game. If you want a better mount from those, buy the 200$ pack.
You are simply suffering from buyers remorse. I purchased the Guardian pack and am pleased with what I received. I read the description of what was being offered, and comprehended that description. I knew that the items would of limited use, or no use in the case some. Newer and improved versions of a product are released all the time, sometimes they are even cheaper than the original. Expressing your dissatisfaction with the product is perfectly reasonable, expecting a bonus because something better came along is not. You have made your post in a public forum, anyone may comment on your post, including those that had the opportunity to purchase the Pack and choose not to do so.
didnt they tell you exactly what you get for your money? so you bought the pack and realized afterwards that its not good enough?
Sort of but not really. They gave us a list of names. Not like it was detailed information. Also, when the purchase was made there was no hint that less than 30 days after launch even better 59$ packs would be available. The mount we got is accessible from different ways cheaper with a better color scheme.. That cheapens it. The companion is utter rubbish no matter how you put it. The stone a cheaper option is better. It's a slap in the face. If you can't understand this then I don't know what to tell you. This is a customer satisfaction thing. I've made many many many pre-launch orders. This is the first time in ten years I've felt it was not worth it. That is why I am complaining. All of the other "founder/prelaunch" packs I have bought from other companies or other games felt worth the money 6 months after I left the game even. This one feels not worth it within the first month or so of the purchase. That reaks of bad business.
Sort of but not really. They gave us a list of names. Not like it was detailed information. Also, when the purchase was made there was no hint that less than 30 days after launch even better 59$ packs would be available. The mount we got is accessible from different ways cheaper with a better color scheme.. That cheapens it. The companion is utter rubbish no matter how you put it. The stone a cheaper option is better. It's a slap in the face. If you can't understand this then I don't know what to tell you. This is a customer satisfaction thing. I've made many many many pre-launch orders. This is the first time in ten years I've felt it was not worth it. That is why I am complaining. All of the other "founder/prelaunch" packs I have bought from other companies or other games felt worth the money 6 months after I left the game even. This one feels not worth it within the first month or so of the purchase. That reaks of bad business.
i was not trying to judge you i just think even with what little information they gave you you should've realized that this deal was bad right from the beginning i wouldn't buy something for 60 bucks without knowing exactly what i will get.
@OP: You got what you paid for, you cant come back and ask for extras later on. With your reasoning, all the new packs should get everything you got aswell, plus the new things.
But this isnt the first post where you demand more from your pack than you got. Remember the little thread about wanting up to an hour of idle time as a pack owner?
It's like buying a game for $50, then 5 months later they release an expansion for $15 and a collection box for $20 including game+expansion. Would you go and complain and demand a free expansion and $30 in return?
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darkstarmjpMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
I think hero of the north owners should get the new pack for free, $199.99 is a lot of money.
havent read everything thus im sorry if that got mentioned already:
the robe of useless items can be equipped, just not via doubleclick but via drag&drop
I see non founder's giving their opinion on this matter and I can't for the life of me understand why. This topic does not concern you. Your input is not needed. Thank you. Unless you've made this purchase you do not understand the issues at hand.
Really, so "founder's"(sic) are uniquely selected mental superbeings? That seems to be stretching credulity somewhat.
I would suggest that you have simply demonstrated that entitled butthurt is universal, both among the ubermensch "founder's" and we mundanes. Your arguments, such as they are, seem thin, keening and irrational. Toys, pram.
@OP: You got what you paid for, you cant come back and ask for extras later on. With your reasoning, all the new packs should get everything you got aswell, plus the new things.
But this isnt the first post where you demand more from your pack than you got. Remember the little thread about wanting up to an hour of idle time as a pack owner?
It's like buying a game for $50, then 5 months later they release an expansion for $15 and a collection box for $20 including game+expansion. Would you go and complain and demand a free expansion and $30 in return?
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Sort of but not really. They gave us a list of names. Not like it was detailed information. Also, when the purchase was made there was no hint that less than 30 days after launch even better 59$ packs would be available. The mount we got is accessible from different ways cheaper with a better color scheme.. That cheapens it. The companion is utter rubbish no matter how you put it. The stone a cheaper option is better. It's a slap in the face. If you can't understand this then I don't know what to tell you. This is a customer satisfaction thing. I've made many many many pre-launch orders. This is the first time in ten years I've felt it was not worth it. That is why I am complaining. All of the other "founder/prelaunch" packs I have bought from other companies or other games felt worth the money 6 months after I left the game even. This one feels not worth it within the first month or so of the purchase. That reaks of bad business.
I have to agree that founder's pack is not worth the 60 dollars I've paid. That said, a bonus added on to this pack post patch will make me consider spending more money. However, I don't see myself spending any more $$ because the cost is simply too high for the benefits.
In a game you shouldn't be aiming at 60$ pack only worth only 60$ worth of stuff from zen, if so why buy the pack in the first place?
Packs should aim at 60$ worth of a pack worth 90 dollar worth of zen... that is the incentive for the consumers to purchase the packs. I don't see myself purchasing anything in the future because of the lack of value these packs have.
I don't even care if the new pack contains class is a CW favored or DC favored class. Since I've gotten most of my toons to 60 it has become really more about the player rather than the class. I guess my money is staying in my wallet, they have to come up with some good deals or my money is not going anywhere.
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What, buyer's remorse? Most pre-order stuff is junk, anyone who plays MMOs/games knows this. It's not like you were swindled, you knew what you were getting when you typed in your digits.
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Well, that's the thing... you stopped reading. If you had continued you would have known I purchased both packs. Regardless, as the moderator has pointed out, it is not the OP of a thread that sets conditions on who may reply to it.
I stopped reading because your post was nonsensical. And you are right I can't force you to stop. I can however tell you that your opinion is unwanted.
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I only bought the Guardian Founder Pack and couldn't care less about a new pack being offered. It is expected from any FREE to play company that needs to make money. I feel that it was done too quickly however. Then again, I am speaking with my wallet and not giving them any more money, for this and a couple other reasons. Namely horrible PVP, annoying dungeon mechanics (adds are boring and very much overused), lack of storage to go with the asinine enchanting system, and releasing PVE content that requires PVP to get into.
The fact that you feel cheated because the company, which charges nothing to see the entirety of the game, is trying to make money says far more about you then it does about them.
As you stopped reading right at the beginning of my post, according to your own words, you are unable to voice an educated opinion as the the quality of my post. I don't care if you don't want my opinion, and your desire of my opinion is the only one you can express with absolute certainty. The relative sizes of minorities doesn't mean much as they both remain minorities. After all, we are both part of the tiniest minority... that minority of the players of a game that actually post on the forum.
I am happy, you are not. You have spoken with others in game unhappy with their GF pack purchase. I have spoken with others in game happy with their GF pack purchase. Neither of us have interacted with a vast proportion of the players in game, so our interactions aren't really that telling in any case.
The posters in this very thread were by no means in full agreement with one point of view over another. There is no reason why they should pay more attention to either view of the argument, as neither view is by any means clearly more widespread than another.
In any case, the extent to which an opinion is held has nothing to do with the validity of the held opinion, just the popularity of it, which is nowhere near the importance of the validity when one is considering the value of the opinion.
Arguing for the sake of argument is the highest form of argument. This, however, is not an argument for the sake of argument.
The OP and OT are conveniently found at the first post of the first page of the thread.
and @ alaerick, your signature is pretty
Not really, $200 and $60 dollars respectively are not huge sums of money. I don't indulge in several money draining activities some enjoy, such as alcohol and tobacco. I also don't have a large amount of debt, draining away my discretionary income with required monthly payments, such as loans and credit card bills.
Also, since I play the game a fair bit, though the cost may seem large when one looks at the total, when it is broken down in terms of cost per hour, it has been fairly economical compared to many other entertainment choices I could have made.
I would have bought the drow if it was part of a 60 dollar package, but it wasnt. And i simply did not have an extra 200 dollars laying around :c. Especially since i could get a drow if i waited 60 days...still waiting...*sigh* :P
Every time they idiot-proof something...they make better idiots.
I'll stick with the Sun Elf, but I'd probably pay $60 for a Wild Elf (plus fashion).
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They clearly announced the content before you bought it... Companion from level 1.... You havnt realised how much easyer that made it up to around lvl 50. Your weapons saves you TONS of time and makes it super easy to level at the longest and most painfull areas.
You're asking for the best stuff In-Game. If you want a better mount from those, buy the 200$ pack.
Here for the build+guide
I looked hard at the 'packs' & decided that the $60 Founder pack gave me enough for me to buy, yes new shiner stuff has come along but "that's life"!
What Class Are You?
Sort of but not really. They gave us a list of names. Not like it was detailed information. Also, when the purchase was made there was no hint that less than 30 days after launch even better 59$ packs would be available. The mount we got is accessible from different ways cheaper with a better color scheme.. That cheapens it. The companion is utter rubbish no matter how you put it. The stone a cheaper option is better. It's a slap in the face. If you can't understand this then I don't know what to tell you. This is a customer satisfaction thing. I've made many many many pre-launch orders. This is the first time in ten years I've felt it was not worth it. That is why I am complaining. All of the other "founder/prelaunch" packs I have bought from other companies or other games felt worth the money 6 months after I left the game even. This one feels not worth it within the first month or so of the purchase. That reaks of bad business.
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i was not trying to judge you
But this isnt the first post where you demand more from your pack than you got. Remember the little thread about wanting up to an hour of idle time as a pack owner?
It's like buying a game for $50, then 5 months later they release an expansion for $15 and a collection box for $20 including game+expansion. Would you go and complain and demand a free expansion and $30 in return?
the robe of useless items can be equipped, just not via doubleclick but via drag&drop
Really, so "founder's"(sic) are uniquely selected mental superbeings? That seems to be stretching credulity somewhat.
I would suggest that you have simply demonstrated that entitled butthurt is universal, both among the ubermensch "founder's" and we mundanes. Your arguments, such as they are, seem thin, keening and irrational. Toys, pram.
Ah, ablist abuse, classy. Now people may have the measure of you.
I think Hero owners should have rethought their initial purchase if they thing $200 is a lot of money.
Read above.
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So you made a purchase of the Guardian pack for...what reason then?
You complain about the Mount, and the Companion so it must have been just for the AD and title?
If so I would have rethought paying $60 for it and waited to see what would happen later ( IE sales, new packs and the like.)
In a game you shouldn't be aiming at 60$ pack only worth only 60$ worth of stuff from zen, if so why buy the pack in the first place?
Packs should aim at 60$ worth of a pack worth 90 dollar worth of zen... that is the incentive for the consumers to purchase the packs. I don't see myself purchasing anything in the future because of the lack of value these packs have.
I don't even care if the new pack contains class is a CW favored or DC favored class. Since I've gotten most of my toons to 60 it has become really more about the player rather than the class. I guess my money is staying in my wallet, they have to come up with some good deals or my money is not going anywhere.
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Wait, really? What slot does it go into? Neck?