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Okay Guys, Here is a little Secret to being good in PvP...........................
monarrch
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 164 Bounty Hunter
First let me give you the back drop. I have have been at the top of most but not all PvE Dungeons as far as DPS goes. I am a Renegade specced Wiz and my Magic Missles (MM) are (After about 4 rotations and fully stacked arcane mastery) hitting for 5-7k on some elites, at level 40. I was getting freaking ticked at the fact that in PvP, because of debuffs and mitigation and so forth, I couldnt hardly break 1k on some players. I was really getting my butt handed to me and there wasnt enough CC int he game for me to stop it. By lvl 40, every class has there own way to lock me down and make my CC abilities not work worth a darn.
Now......I wanted to respec and went into full renegade and also tried out a new power I had not slotted for. THis is what I read that caused me to think, "hmmm....sounds like it may help me out in PvP:
Ray of Enfeeblement
(80' Range) (Arcane Damage)
Over several seconds, deal damage to your enemy while decreasing their damage and Mitigation. Debuff duration increased based on stack of Arcane Mastery.
So I stuck 1, yes 1 point in it to try it and this is what happened:
1st PvP with RoE. Another CW on the opposing team attacks me with entangling force (force choke LOL)...as soon as I came out of it, I hit him with RoE, Entangling Force and then laid into him with magic missles....300, 800, 1k, 2k,...the dude saw his health drop and realized that for some reason he wasnt hitting me as hard...I was still at 1/2 health while he was at maybe 20%, and he had the drop...he ran...I hit RoE again...tick, tick ,tick, dead.
Then a Cleric was giving us hell man, we could not take him down..we had 2 to 3 people on him and the dudes health was going down but so slow he might as well had went to the kitchen and got a sandwich.....BAM..RoE, then Cleric's health dropped as my team mates seemed to hit him harder than before....dead.
GWF...I saw this guy in my last match, I couldnt kill him before...hmmmmm...lets try...RoE, FE, Conduit of Ice and MM rotation....half health this time, Pushed him back, Ray of Frost, RoE again...tick tick tick, MM...dead.
Guys....this one skill has made all the difference in my PvP now...Rogues still give me grief but If I catch them in the open and hit them with this....unless they get away or get some big, lucky crits on me, its church.
Now this is not some super skill, you still gotta use your other skills and play smart, BUT I went from constantly placing dead last to maybe bottom 3 to actually placing second one time...Im stoked.
Hope this helps. Go Renegade, get the 30% increase to MM and get the Combat Advantage Skills, they supplement this skill (RoE) tremendously.
Try it...have fun.
PS, Title should say, Secret to being BETTER at PVP, not necessarily good.
Now......I wanted to respec and went into full renegade and also tried out a new power I had not slotted for. THis is what I read that caused me to think, "hmmm....sounds like it may help me out in PvP:
Ray of Enfeeblement
(80' Range) (Arcane Damage)
Over several seconds, deal damage to your enemy while decreasing their damage and Mitigation. Debuff duration increased based on stack of Arcane Mastery.
So I stuck 1, yes 1 point in it to try it and this is what happened:
1st PvP with RoE. Another CW on the opposing team attacks me with entangling force (force choke LOL)...as soon as I came out of it, I hit him with RoE, Entangling Force and then laid into him with magic missles....300, 800, 1k, 2k,...the dude saw his health drop and realized that for some reason he wasnt hitting me as hard...I was still at 1/2 health while he was at maybe 20%, and he had the drop...he ran...I hit RoE again...tick, tick ,tick, dead.
Then a Cleric was giving us hell man, we could not take him down..we had 2 to 3 people on him and the dudes health was going down but so slow he might as well had went to the kitchen and got a sandwich.....BAM..RoE, then Cleric's health dropped as my team mates seemed to hit him harder than before....dead.
GWF...I saw this guy in my last match, I couldnt kill him before...hmmmmm...lets try...RoE, FE, Conduit of Ice and MM rotation....half health this time, Pushed him back, Ray of Frost, RoE again...tick tick tick, MM...dead.
Guys....this one skill has made all the difference in my PvP now...Rogues still give me grief but If I catch them in the open and hit them with this....unless they get away or get some big, lucky crits on me, its church.
Now this is not some super skill, you still gotta use your other skills and play smart, BUT I went from constantly placing dead last to maybe bottom 3 to actually placing second one time...Im stoked.
Hope this helps. Go Renegade, get the 30% increase to MM and get the Combat Advantage Skills, they supplement this skill (RoE) tremendously.
Try it...have fun.
PS, Title should say, Secret to being BETTER at PVP, not necessarily good.
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You do realize that I was offering some good, personally experienced advice here and all you can do is "omg you are bad lol?" If I am a bad player and I don't claim to be a good one, this skill has helped me greatly and THAT is the point. Hopefully one day you will grow up to be an adult and realize that all flaming people does is get you:
1.) Disliked by everyone
2.) Beat up
3.) Fired once you're old enough to have some responsibility and a job
4.) Single, but you are probably already there
5.) Completely disregarded when it comes to anything you have to say...no matter how..........why am I bothering with you? Shoo.
I don't think it's the damage it does that makes it awesome though. It's the debuffs it applies to enemies that seem to make such a difference to me. But yes it can hit hard.
Somebody sounds horrendously mad for receiving a differing opinion to their own. Sure, let's assume they get beat up on a regular basis, that they're disliked by everyone including potential relationship partners (suggesting their complete lack of physical attractiveness) and lack the responsibility to maintain a job. Let's even theorize that the respondee must be Peter Pan and will never "grow up to be an adult".
And yet even Sherlock Holmes who can deductively reason the above from 5 lines of text over a video game forum fails to grasp a fundamental mechanic of said game. The limitation of 3 (or 4) encounter skills usable in any given scenario, and how this relates to the role of his class. Your job is to provide control over the battlefield, and there are an immense number of methods given to a CW to achieve that, yet only one amalgamation is allowed. When you are choosing an ability like Ray of Enfeeblement, you're giving up another knockback, stun or snare. Against a melee class, if you're getting hit enough by them for the miniscule debuff (even in PVE) to make a difference, you're failing your job. Against a ranged class just a 1 second stun or interrupting a single cast is going to be more effective than a few seconds of damage reduction. In an optimal scenario, any intelligent opponent will move behind line or sight or out of range to wear out the temporary 1 versus 1 disadvantage, because guess what? They can move absolutely unhindered. This is of course, given that you're in a 1 v 1, which in any case you're not benefiting your team as well as you should: by controlling casters and knocking melee classes off objectives (and yourself). Oh, and by level 60 no-one is going to live longer than a few seconds anyway. I guess no-one mentioned that to you.
Of course this will all fall on deaf ears.
I did the middle paragon for the 15% mitigation on COIce + the buff to Icy Rays.
Put icy rays on tab / RoEnfeeblement / COIce / EForce / MM's / RoFrost
Max int / cha
Profit.
I usually am in the 10-1 15-1 range. Unless my team folds... And then I'm still up there. FYI IRays can crit almost as much as the Icy Knife Daily. Well I've seen 15k in pvp but it's usually more like 8-11k crits. This is at a current 8k GS.
The post he responded to didn't voice any dissenting opinion, It only insulted his ability.
Seems like you failed to see that.
Please try it bro. I placed second in kills twice in a row today and actually smacked a couple rogues around in the process. This skill has really made the difference for me. I hope you find it works well for you too. Also, the renegade tree is really working well also. Combat advantage with the crit increase is awesome!!
Thx for that. The fact that this guy wrote a thread that long for no other reason than to express his psychosis wasn't really worthy of a response but I think you handled it perfectly.
Last game I played I I 2v1'd that becam a 3v1 right as I killed the first guy. Managed to finish the other 2 off. Then proceeded to kill all of them again as they slowly streamed back to kill me 1 at a time as they rez'd. That was with no heals and almost no downtime.
Nice bro. I agree. I only use the basics like entanglement and push, everything else is nuke and the renegade tree does that nicely.
The "dissenting opinion" was that Ray of Enfeeblement was a useless skill for the purposes OP was implicating: namely, crowd control. Rather than providing a valid counter-argument however, the OP insinuates the use of violence against someone who doesn't agree with his side of the argument.
The only thing I'm failing to see here is the truth in your post - and maybe your ability to read prepositions before nouns. "You sound bad" is not an insult to one's ability. It's an observation based on the ideas OP has put forth. I could very well say "you're bad", but there is no condemning evidence for that. There is less than reasonable doubt however, that OP does appear quite terrible at the game, as well as controlling his violent tendencies. These are not personal insults, but observations.
Ya know what's funny here? With all of your over exaggerated grammar usage and purposeful avoidance of common tongue usage which I'm sure is your own way of compensating for some short coming in your life, you're still just a troll trying inject yourself into conversations you were not invited into or asked to be a part of. What you fail to understand is that person had tried to hijack numerous posts of mine and other people's with derogatory and inflammatory remarks that were neither helpful or constructive, kinda like yours. His past threads are full of that kind if thing and he was reported for it. The whole purpose of the post as others in this thread have confirmed is the usefulness of a skill our class uses. No one ever implied it was useful as CC. You're just putting words into people's mouths at this point. You're not witty or funny or admirable or what ever you are trying to be by trying to perpetuate the problem, you're just showing your ignorance and lack of understanding in what the rest of us are even talking about my friend.
Now lets address your accusation of me having "violent tendencies". Please point out to me exactly where in my post I threatened that troll. I simply told him that he had nothing to contribute and I pointed out what that type of attitude and behavior that he was displaying, which I didn't provoke or ask for could result in. Kinda like when your parents said dont dress like that at a job interview or they won't consider you or don't put that fork in the wall socket or you might die? I was simply trying to point out the possible consequences for treating people that way, nothing more. Yours and his "observation" of how good or bad I appear to be is irrelevant to the whole point of the post. You see unlike you two people, I like to try to help others when I find something that helps me or improves my game. That's why others in this thread have confirmed my findings. I don't just disregard anyone's attempt at being nice, civil and helpful by hijacking their thread, calling them bad or make other insults for the sole purpose of stroking my own ego. I dont need to flame to feel superior. I don't have to end my threads with pretentious remarks like "your move" as if I'm in some twisted chess game of words. Who talks like that?
Do unto others my friend.
Thank you for replying to my posts, it has made my day a lot for fun, reading through them and amusing myself on your unsuccessful attempts at generating a single coherent argument. You came close this time, at least you referred to a dictionary this time.
Imagine my pleasant surprise that this one didn't even require any provocation, as my previous post was in response to another user on this forum. Well, that isn't entirely true, since the latter half of my response was removed by a moderator before you saw them on grounds that they were "insults". Fair enough, I did maybe subtly suggest you were illiterate. And perhaps slightly psychotic. I was wrong to stoop the level of making generalisations like a certain someone, so I'll take that all back.
Amusing though that the first part remains untouched, including that you do appear quite inexperienced at this game and perhaps quick to resort to physical threats when people disagree with you. Maybe the moderator just had something against bringing poor Peter Pan back into this again. And maybe I'm beating a dead horse because you admit to being so, which no-one can fault anyone for. But reacting as if someone just kicked your dog, to being told something you supposedly know?
What is also amusing is accusing me of "over-exaggerated" grammar usage. You're right, that point was pretty funny. I understand by now that English probably isn't your first language (neither is it mine, so don't be too upset over that), but I hope you realise there is no such thing as "over-use" of grammar - only correct use. At the rate our generation (and the next) is bastardizing the language, you might be right in two hundred years. In the mean time, show some respect for your given method of communication.
Also, what is this concept of "common tongue" you speak of? It is foreign to me. Do you perhaps mean English? You mean I'm purposefully avoiding usage of English? But this is the way I was taught in. Are you speaking the same English you were taught at any public education institution on the world? Ya know me thinks you might not be, bro.
Snark aside, you are right on one point. That I don't know the history between you and Mr "darkknight0354" although judging by his username and his well-spoken nature, I think he must be truly be a wise and upstanding contributor to this community. But really, I have no interest in his background, only in what I see as person spreading misinformation, and apparent hatred for anything and anyone that objects. You would make an excellent Stalin.
Of course, it must be wrong of me to do so! I'm "injecting myself" into a conversation on a public internet forum, how dare I. Take me to the cyber police at once. Free-speech? In a developed nation? No, even on the INTERNET? About a video game? Who would presume such a thing?
And oh yeah we're talking about a video game. Constructive criticism is such that it helps or improves something in some way, by suggesting why a method of doing it is incorrect, and how to improve that method. I kind of wrote a whole paragraph about that somewhere, come to think of it.
And sure, no-one ever implied that the main use of Ray of Enfeeblement was for it's damage reduction. Certainly not the original poster. In his original post.
Unfortunately, having read the original post only once, I recall it better than you do after having written it. This is a common side effect of what is referred to as "not knowing what you're talking about".
I never argued or disagreed with the other posters' reasons for choosing this encounter for damage. In fact, it's quite effective at dealing damage, particularly when slotted into Mastery for two casts. It's of my reasoned opinion that CWs however are more effective in a team environment at fulfilling the role they were designed to do rather than maximize damage in a scenario in which damage doesn't matter because everyone dies in two casts anyway. And slotting one of barely 10 spells is hardly a secret.
Second, you accused me of claiming RoE was useful as a CC when I did not, then you said I didn't imply it was for debuffing but rather as a DPS tool? Nope. Go back and read one the earlier posts, I specifically referred to the skill because if its debuffs and NOT because it was a DPS tool. If I'm understanding what your implication is at this point because you seemed to flip flop from CC ability to damage ability which neither are why I like it.
Lastly and I mean lastly because arguing with you at this point is futile and is only robbing me of life at this point, no one said you don't have the right to free speech, I just assumed that maybe you were raised by good parents and were perhaps taught to treat people the way you want to be treated. I assumed that I could appeal to your better nature and have you actually consider the way your condescending remarks were and are neither constructive nor civil and clearly I was wrong because you are more than not, a product of your environment therefore I can only conclude that your parents are just like you. Just an observation. You say I object to anyone disagreeing with me yet you are clearly demonstrating the very same flaw with me. I do not object, I welcome true civil criticism but what you have displayed is neither constructive nor civil, it's simply a plethora of insults meant to humiliate and demean. You are no scholar sir and certainly not a gentleman. Good day.
PS, Now that I think about it, this was fun. Thanks.
Yet there are few that have read it and responded to it, favorably I might add. Geez what is it with you guys? You try to help out and contribute in some way no matter how small to some and you get flamed for it. Why? Why was that even necessary my friend?
I didn't read your second paragraph, because you edited it in after I had quoted it and left. Since for some reason you edit each one of your posts for some incomprehensible reason (I guessed you just make a lot of linguistic mistakes, but I still see a whole lot, so I'm not sure). Very sneaky. But a cheap way to try to win an argument. You tell me to read the second paragraph of your last post, yet you just condensed the sole argument of both your previous post and this post into one sentence. How boring. However, I'll allow you the benefit of simplifying my words so that even you can understand:
The insinuation of violence is evident in its very inclusion in your list. In what first world community outside of elementary school and the ghettos, do people get "beat up" for speaking out? Clearly you either have a disillusioned and pessimistic view of a society resembling 1930 Russia, or you legitimately feel you would do those things yourself give the chance. I could also say that you were on the receiving end of those things, but that would disprove my first statement, and may be a sad but expected revelation for all.
You will not be banned, because Moderators are hardly arms of the law. You aren't going to jail because you threatened someone over the internet. Telling someone that "they should get beat up" for disagreeing with you is grounds for arrest in any real first world jurisdiction. Do not try to argue the truth in this statement, as it is laid in words you typed by your own hand. Of course you could just edit your post again, and none would be the wiser.
Luckily, society has advanced to such a point that people like you will not be allowed to walk around free when you display such blatant red flags. The "crazy thing" is that everything I've stated has been an objective observation and reasoned analysis of your behaviour, not lies, not "verbal attacks". See, the real "crazy thing" in this is your blatant refusal to acknowledge such facts and your detached reality - you brought up the topic of psychosis and as did I before it was removed. However I suggest you look up its definition (as you clearly didn't in the first case) and perhaps seek professional help. Where you used it as a one sentence insult, I recognize it as a serious and unfortunate mental condition and can manifest in worse symptoms if left unaided.
I am not even going to acknowledge your second paragraph, and save you from my remarks about your literacy, even though accuse me of the very same. You completely misread what I typed, and it would be unfair to rip you apart for that. I'll give you another chance.
It's alright to run from this thread and not look back, as I'm sure my words have left an impression already, but as I know you're probably constantly refreshing this thread with nothing better to do that repeatedly edit your posts to make it read better by that one word or one apostrophe because you didn't proof read from the beginning. Don't say that I'm robbing you of your life at this point because you're choosing to respond at this point. Again, at this point, you may leave with that, and at this point I won't fault you for it, but maybe the psychosis is worth having checked out at this point.
Of course the imminent real-life postulation. You already expended this card, but I'm somewhat disappointed I didn't deserve a whole 5 points; only the one. At this point it sounds like you're arguing with yourself, and there's really not much for me to say here because you've done all the work for me. No-one said I don't have the right to free speech? When an angry little guy throws a tantrum whenever he hears something he doesn't want to hear, it sure makes me feel like my right to the First Amendment is compromised. Of course that must somehow be my parents fault. Wait, what was my parents fault? That I'm favour of freedom of speech? Aww good on them. They happened to also promote critical analysis and questioning of authority. You're hardly an authority on anything though, so that wouldn't apply in this case. Maybe if your parents did the same, you could keep up in this discussion, and contribute some valid points rather than spouting off the first words that come to mind. True civil criticism? Too many prepositions; didn't read. I tried very hard to present my points through light satire and sarcastic undertone, but of course you take offence and flip out if anyone so much as doesn't commend you on your mad skills.
And don't flatter me with an invitation to run off my resume on the internet to prove how I am, very much, a scholar. No-one likes a braggart. Never considered myself gentle and never will when cleansing the impure.
I must commend the moderator who bothers to sit through this discussion, he's doing an excellent job at taming my harsher obloquies such that you still have enough morale remaining to keep responding.
Yeah keep telling me you rogues need skill. Don't believe them, its the most easy mode class in this game. God help them if they ever attempt to play another class. They will rage quit.
You completely missed the original point.
Lol!! I tried to convey that my brother. That guy is oblivious. Thx though. Probably a nice guy in person though. These forums seem to bring out the worst in some people. I can't understand it.
Back on track.
Do you know how much the debuff is? Is there any way to find the percentage? Also, are there any other strong combinations?
I've been experimenting with oppressor maximum ice CC in PvP. I see a lot of potential with a SM-Conduit of Ice (spellmastery/tab) and Icy Terrain but its still a bit too slow to freeze enemies. (Currently level 35). I'm hoping when I get Glacial Movement, it'll change that. SM-Icy Terrain or Chill Strike are also really tempting though. Sidenote: Why does Ice Rays have such a bad reputation?
Edit: After reading epicerlol's ungodly amusing posts, I retract my "pointless" and replace with semi-pointless. That's actually an interesting, intelligent counterargument.
may you pm me your contact details? I'll call you when i need a lawyer lol
seriously i almost believed this idiots bull****
took me a while to read all your posts, but youre clearly the more intelligent person here, so i'll go with your opinion. and in the end you're right, nothing even matters at level 60 i was watching kripp and everything dies before he has a chance to put more than 2 skills on cooldown.
balanced class. balanced game.
maybe you shouldnt waste your time on here, your way out of their league in argumentative skill. beyond their spectrum of comprehension. reminds me of that movie where the guy travels to the future and the collectiv average iq of the world has decreased by 50 so he
funny that anyone who agrees with monarchh is suddenly his "bro", not to mention he sucks up so much for favour so he might have even 1 person on his side.
its true that the more stupid ppl are the most vocal, but know that the real thinkers and observers who lurk this forum like i did appreciate your input
They do require skill. My main is a Rogue, and I am working on a CW for AoE atm.
Bad Rogues crit for 6K. Good rogues crit for 16K. BIG difference.
Whats this guy going on about? CWs are obviously made to deal damage, screw CC I say! Entangling force and Chill strike offer enough CC as well as amazing damage, and if you have a spell mastery Ray of Enfeeblement on top of that you're going to melt anyone getting in your way. Oh and if you only life for a few seconds I'm terribly sorry, but you're doing it wrong. Unless you're running head first into a group of 4-5 enemies, though I suppose that would still be doing it wrong..