That's a shame. But lets be fair, let's look at the other side of the coin. Can you tell me how many forum moderators you've seen that were members of guilds that were honest and fair, and good at their job? I know I've seen quite a few, paid and unpaid that were honest folk. It's not like you can promote your guild in any fashion, you have a community title and you have a job to do.
It's not really a black and white issue andre of course there are; but it's also can be recipe for Drama and polarization having survived the great Mod purge of AC and witnessing the entire Guide fiasco of EQ, it's a can of worms that should be avoided or at least limited to prevent such abuses. One less than forthright mod can sully the entire program and things like that are slow to go away. As I said I hope it something that is considered.....it's not like I'm slamming my fist on the podium demanding this.
By the way, Jerry and Tolero of DDO fame were active members of guilds when hired by Turbine and remain active players in guilds. Jerry is still the moderator and Tolero is the lead community rep. They've been outstanding.
Yeah I know Jerry he is a great guy who can step back and be objective, but in my experience that is the exception not the rule.
Is this fair Storm? We are active members of this community, and choose to be good neighbors.
It's an observation from a random guy on the internet, I respect a lot of what TP has done to help build the community but more than a few times I have seen you come across very agenda driven and less than tolerant of other peoples opinions...very seldom have I seen you agree to disagree or not be passive aggressive in your philosophies; that can be said for other TP members as well, you have bumped heads with stormshade, me and anyone else that chooses to disagree with you, that isn't all that neighborly.
I'm not saying I think you guys are horrible people, you can just rub folks the wrong way sometimes is all, maybe we should all work on how we come across to others? I'm willing if you are.
What I meant was that community can take care of these things. If you read post by SS, mods can be removed anytime. So such issues can be considered subjectively by community as a whole.
And for the guild which I specifically joined, it is not supposed to be power guild or one with max recruit. It is more of casual, somewhat-roleplaying kind of thing. So conspiracies (I think it is right word for scenario you described) like those would be useless for us.
Lets make another thread regarding any such issues and take them there or drop it and not discuss this in this thread. Let this thread be for discussions regarding mods and not guilds.
good night!
(*sigh* don't know when I can visit these forums again... maybe I am addicted to them.)
Yeah I know Jerry he is a great guy who can step back and be objective, but in my experience that is the exception not the rule.
He's a genuinely good egg and a rare breed indeed. But by limiting recruitment by your standard he would have never been given a chance to better the community. Same can be said for Tolero. And guess what, that equals two.
Now, I will ask you kindly, once again (hopefully the last time), please lay off the derogatory comments towards our guildies.
What I meant was that community can take care of these things. If you read post by SS, mods can be removed anytime. So such issues can be considered subjectively by community as a whole.
And for the guild which I specifically joined, it is not supposed to be power guild or one with max recruit. It is more of casual, somewhat-roleplaying kind of thing. So conspiracies (I think it is right word for scenario you described) like those would be useless for us.
Lets make another thread regarding any such issues and take them there or drop it and not discuss this in this thread. Let this thread be for discussions regarding mods and not guilds.
good night!
(*sigh* don't know when I can visit these forums again... maybe I am addicted to them.)
/sigh..... dropping it would be better but this is what I'm talking about
Lets make another thread regarding any such issues and take them there or drop it and not discuss this in this thread. Let this thread be for discussions regarding mods and not guilds.
It's not your place to tell people where or what they can and can't discuss, you guys are a guild not mods, not representatives of this community, you would get so much less flack if you would just stop acting like it.
Anyway hopefully SS has seen the potential can of worms this can open and at the very least puts in place some check system to limit it.
/sigh..... dropping it would be better but this is what I'm talking about
It's not your place to tell people where or what they can and can't discuss, you guys are a guild not mods, not representatives of this community, you would get so much less flack if you would just stop acting like it.
Anyway hopefully SS has seen the potential can of worms this can open and at the very least puts in place some check system to limit it.
Storm, everyone has been peacefully giving their opinions in this thread. You are the only one making this __________ vs Tyrs Paladium. We've asked you to get back on topic. Gill is right. This thread is supposed to be about "Accepting Applications for Volunteer Moderators" not picking fights with guilds, and/or our guildies.
Storm, everyone has been peacefully giving their opinions in this thread. You are the only one making this __________ vs Tyrs Paladium. We've asked you to get back on topic. Gill is right. This thread is supposed to be about "Accepting Applications for Volunteer Moderators" not picking fights with guilds, and/or our guildies.
Wow.....you don't seem to grasp that there is a difference between giving an opinion and ganging up on anyone that disagrees with your opinion also I wasn't the one that flung the conspiracy theorist insult your people did that .
And again YOU ARE NOT A MOD, I have suggested everyone working on how they presenting themselves and I have suggested dropping it...but you guys just can't let up because you are too busy presenting your guild image.
Someone has to be the adult here so I'll step away from the topic. I think the point has been aptly made regardless.
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ausdoerrtMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2012
I'm not sure what the big deal is. This is a call for forum mods, not GMs or community representatives. From my moderating experience, 90% of a mod's pastime is killing spambots, moving topics to proper forums, and assisting people with minor things like that. It's rare to have to break up fights and the like. You also don't get much power to do anything more than other posters, but a lot of responsibility to behave more consistently and respectfully to everyone.
I'm personally applying because I think I can contribute to keeping the forum clean and organized since I'll be lurking anyway. People who think there's much more to being a mod are expecting too much of it, methinks. Any concerns of power abuse are unnecessary as well, since it's rather questionable if there's anything much to abuse, and anyone too far out of line will likely be promptly removed by the higher-standing staff anyway.
So to detract from the argument, here's a discussion point: if you've applied and don't mind sharing with the rest of us, what's yall's motivation?
It's not your place to tell people where or what they can and can't discuss, you guys are a guild not mods, not representatives of this community, you would get so much less flack if you would just stop acting like it.
Anyway hopefully SS has seen the potential can of worms this can open and at the very least puts in place some check system to limit it.
If you have a personal vendetta against our guild, is this the right place to discuss it? The forum topic makes it clear. I don't see why I have to be a mod or dev to point out the obvious.
There are going to many many players who are part of guilds with many players forming their own. You have a large player base to hate then.
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vindiconMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2012
Guys, guys... lets calm down, shall we?
Like ausdoerrt said... moderators have little power anyway. They can lock and delete threads, and directly report stuff to higher authority, but that's about it. They are not gonna become evil overlords anytime soon, and they can be replaced at any time anyway, if the community does not want them anymore, so no big deal.
So, if you're gonna choose one, please disregard "guild agendas" and other such nonsense - moderators are perfectly allowed to promote their guild, but just like the rest of us folks, they have to keep themselves to the appropriate subforum.
The mod from the FW was a guild member - like the majority of the playerbase - and was the best mod I've ever seen.
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shiaikaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2012
I would prefer to be Cryptic who chooses the modsin the case of having "too many applications" too. Popularity contest to fill some job positions (even if unpaid and voluntary) sounds too much like a reality show thingy. b:chuckle But as long as mods act like mods, you may as well throw some dice and choose based on the result. b:cool
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The redirect thing is a known issue. Melanderi posted about it some time back when truth seeker was asking.
I'm too lazy to find the post, but it said to email customerservice@perfectworld.com if you are getting the redirect error. Hope that helps!
I hope that the mods have separate mod accounts, that way they can remain impartial. Having been a mod in the past, neutrality is important but sometimes when posting on your personal account you can get carried away, which comes off badly. Having a separate account makes it easier to cultivate a neutral persona.
Who knows though.
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ausdoerrtMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I hope that the mods have separate mod accounts, that way they can remain impartial. Having been a mod in the past, neutrality is important but sometimes when posting on your personal account you can get carried away, which comes off badly. Having a separate account makes it easier to cultivate a neutral persona.
Seems like a decent idea on the first glance, but could also spawn some accountability issues. I think limited anonymity for mods will make them behave better in general, while separate accounts might lead to extremes on each. Then again, this will vary from person to person.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited August 2012
Giving player moderators separate accounts can open an entirely different can of worms.
Just to start it reduces the authenticity of the position.
It's not a huge issue now as on the forums everybody can be easily held accountable for their claims but once the game is released such a system would be begging for false claims that they were a forum mod. Mods have a certain level of authority, player or employee, and in the wrong hands this authority can cause havoc.
If every player could suddenly claim to be a moderator without players being able to discern the truth...well let's just leave it that problems would arise.
Secondly we've seen the good old "you're not a mod" call even in this thread. The anonymity of the mod comes into question when they post on their non-moderating account and run into a situation such as that and immediately jump to the mod account to control the situation.
Basically by trying to keep anonymity the only thing I could imagine happening is a bunch of people forming sewing circles talking about rumors of who is or isn't a mod. And let's face it, they're likely to be wrong most of the time.
Another issue that is adverted is some of the distaste for the mods. If volunteer mods only posted to punish then they can't be overly well received. However if volunteer moderators could display their personality, likes and even their dislikes then it truly helps bridge the gap between players and moderators resulting in a much better experience for everybody.
In my opinion by trying to keep anonymity the community wouldn't be as apt to respect the people behind the authority.
Also the mere presence of authority actively posting on the forums tends to maintain a respectful environment most times. Sort of like how you behave differently at work when the boss is nearby or not.
Volunteer Moderators are simply that, volunteers. Sure some of them can go on power trips and either intentionally or unintentionally use their authority for personal gain but there are very specific reasons to why the player moderators don't normally get separate accounts.
It's understandable why so many would want to keep the players separate from the mods but there's more to it than glory. I hope this might bring new light to some of you why it's not always the best idea to draw such a defined line.
Giving player moderators separate accounts can open an entirely different can of worms.
Just to start it reduces the authenticity of the position.
It's not a huge issue now as on the forums everybody can be easily held accountable for their claims but once the game is released such a system would be begging for false claims that they were a forum mod. Mods have a certain level of authority, player or employee, and in the wrong hands this authority can cause havoc.
If every player could suddenly claim to be a moderator without players being able to discern the truth...well let's just leave it that problems would arise. An understandable point, but as Mods don't have ANY in game power, I don't think that should be an issue. If someone does, just report it and the appropriate disciplinary action can be taken. Forum mods have no powers in game, and I don't think they should have any "authority" in game either. Their domain is the forums.
Secondly we've seen the good old "you're not a mod" call even in this thread. The anonymity of the mod comes into question when they post on their non-moderating account and run into a situation such as that and immediately jump to the mod account to control the situation.
Basically by trying to keep anonymity the only thing I could imagine happening is a bunch of people forming sewing circles talking about rumors of who is or isn't a mod. And let's face it, they're likely to be wrong most of the time. I've never seen a mod that didn't have a Moderator tag of some sort. Having separate accounts means that:
as a mod, you don't have to worry about pissing off your friends if you have to action their post/thread,
as a normal poster, you can post opinions without it being considered the gospel.
Since the volunteer mods are more visible than some of the other admins, they are sometimes seen as more than volunteers.
Another issue that is adverted is some of the distaste for the mods. If volunteer mods only posted to punish then they can't be overly well received. However if volunteer moderators could display their personality, likes and even their dislikes then it truly helps bridge the gap between players and moderators resulting in a much better experience for everybody.
In my opinion by trying to keep anonymity the community wouldn't be as apt to respect the people behind the authority. This is a reasonable point, and I understand the desire for people to want to get to know the person behind the mod. However, it's not really the purpose of a mod to be friends with people. I worry that people could abuse the whole "i'm friends with a mod" thing to lord over people in game.
Also the mere presence of authority actively posting on the forums tends to maintain a respectful environment most times. Sort of like how you behave differently at work when the boss is nearby or not.
[COLOR="LightBlue"I wish.[/COLOR]
Volunteer Moderators are simply that, volunteers. Sure some of them can go on power trips and either intentionally or unintentionally use their authority for personal gain but there are very specific reasons to why the player moderators don't normally get separate accounts.
My last mod gig (not that I'm applying for one here) I had an account specifically for moderation. Granted, that was a paid gig, not volunteer. But having that "anonymity" made me more likely to consider how professional my posts came across.
It's understandable why so many would want to keep the players separate from the mods but there's more to it than glory. I hope this might bring new light to some of you why it's not always the best idea to draw such a defined line.
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It's just a suggestion, and of course there are pros and cons to anon/non-anon mods. I just hope that we don't glorify the mods, and that we are able to separate their posts from actual Cryptic/PWE "canon" if you will.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited August 2012
"An understandable point, but as Mods don't have ANY in game power, I don't think that should be an issue."
Sadly I've played to many games to know this isn't true. Players try to cheat or steal any way they can and a forum mod still has the same authenticity level and underlying trust that a paid employee has in or out of game.
No in game power doesn't mean the underlying authenticity doesn't exist.
"as a mod, you don't have to worry about pissing off your friends if you have to action their post/thread, as a normal poster, you can post opinions without it being considered the gospel."
I wasn't stating that the mod's should be untagged. More along the lines that problems can arise when volunteers switch between a normal posting account and a moderator account. Sure there are pro's and cons, I just personally find more cons.
"However, it's not really the purpose of a mod to be friends with people."
Absolutely. As with everything this is a fine line that will hopefully be monitored. However there's nothing worse in my opinion than unleashing mods that seem like they're only around to punish people.
"I wish"
Most times. Not every time. Sadly there are some people who just want to see the world burn.
"Granted, that was a paid gig, not volunteer. But having that "anonymity" made me more likely to consider how professional my posts came across."
Absolutely, but there's a big difference between paid and volunteer. I'm sure we won't be seeing a lot of Stormshade in game for instance although I bet he'll be playing a lot. In my experience most company employees have separate accounts and volunteers just have an account status. While either system can work and certainly a separate account kind of enforces a professionalism there are also advantages to having a little more candid conversations as well.
Absolutely don't glorify the mods. Honestly I'm fine with whatever Cryptic/PWE decides upon, I'm just stating what I've found in the past in situations where I was either a moderator or a normal player on a player moderated forum.
Personally I prefer the adjusted user status and those are my reasons why. But as you said, quite reasonably I might add, there are pro's for the other side as well.
I think people have to appreciate that whilst being a liked person in the community is a good thing, this can quickly change when you become "the man". I've ran a number of large guilds, communities and forums, have always been a fair "leader" and you still get people that think you are a tyrant if you hold any semblance of power.
Personally I'd never want to tackle such a large community and stand on the side of righteousness as a moderator. Quite simply if I see someone acting like an a***** then I can't help but call them out on it; a diplomatic moderator that does not make
If you have a personal vendetta against our guild, is this the right place to discuss it? The forum topic makes it clear. I don't see why I have to be a mod or dev to point out the obvious.
There are going to many many players who are part of guilds with many players forming their own. You have a large player base to hate then.
Well it doesn't help when a said guild gangs up on one and tries to belittle him, a hint... conspiracy theory jab. Strormdragon made a very valid point/concern and people went up in arms against him which the vast majority shared the same affiliation. So take it how you want to.
Any chance we can get the report and ignore features working on this site Stormshade?
Thank you, kindly.
PS: I'll kindly ask guildies to not respond any further to the two folks that insist on provoking the guild, instead of staying on topic of the OP. Thanks
Any chance we can get the report and ignore features working on this site Stormshade?
Thank you, kindly.
PS: I'll kindly ask guildies to not respond any further to the two folks that insist on provoking the guild, instead of staying on topic of the OP. Thanks
Careful what you ask for... it may end up biting you in the rear If you consider that "provoking" I'm afraid you guys are in for rough seas when the masses show up, and really Andre if you would just stop being so over the top and dictatorial there wouldn't be an issue.
Well it doesn't help when a said guild gangs up on one and tries to belittle him, a hint... conspiracy theory jab....
hmm... as i said, this is not a place to discuss this, but I need to clear some of your misunderstanding up. I never 'jabbed' conspiracy theory.
If anyone is using that word, it is a clear case of misrepresentation. Can you even once quote the term "conspiracy theory" used by me? If no, kindly stop spreading lies.
Only conspiracy I ever remember referring to was between certain guild members and mods referred to by someone else(don't remember who).
Never in my posts have I gone personal or insulted anyone. At most I will mock a reference if it is given out of context but never a person. Because I hate that the most.
Again I would say this is not the place to discuss this. Let this be a clean place. But please do not post misleading statements which are obviously not true.
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It's not really a black and white issue andre of course there are; but it's also can be recipe for Drama and polarization having survived the great Mod purge of AC and witnessing the entire Guide fiasco of EQ, it's a can of worms that should be avoided or at least limited to prevent such abuses. One less than forthright mod can sully the entire program and things like that are slow to go away. As I said I hope it something that is considered.....it's not like I'm slamming my fist on the podium demanding this.
Yeah I know Jerry he is a great guy who can step back and be objective, but in my experience that is the exception not the rule.
It's an observation from a random guy on the internet, I respect a lot of what TP has done to help build the community but more than a few times I have seen you come across very agenda driven and less than tolerant of other peoples opinions...very seldom have I seen you agree to disagree or not be passive aggressive in your philosophies; that can be said for other TP members as well, you have bumped heads with stormshade, me and anyone else that chooses to disagree with you, that isn't all that neighborly.
I'm not saying I think you guys are horrible people, you can just rub folks the wrong way sometimes is all, maybe we should all work on how we come across to others? I'm willing if you are.
And for the guild which I specifically joined, it is not supposed to be power guild or one with max recruit. It is more of casual, somewhat-roleplaying kind of thing. So conspiracies (I think it is right word for scenario you described) like those would be useless for us.
Lets make another thread regarding any such issues and take them there or drop it and not discuss this in this thread. Let this thread be for discussions regarding mods and not guilds.
good night!
(*sigh* don't know when I can visit these forums again... maybe I am addicted to them.)
He's a genuinely good egg and a rare breed indeed. But by limiting recruitment by your standard he would have never been given a chance to better the community. Same can be said for Tolero. And guess what, that equals two.
Now, I will ask you kindly, once again (hopefully the last time), please lay off the derogatory comments towards our guildies.
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/sigh..... dropping it would be better but this is what I'm talking about
It's not your place to tell people where or what they can and can't discuss, you guys are a guild not mods, not representatives of this community, you would get so much less flack if you would just stop acting like it.
Anyway hopefully SS has seen the potential can of worms this can open and at the very least puts in place some check system to limit it.
Storm, everyone has been peacefully giving their opinions in this thread. You are the only one making this __________ vs Tyrs Paladium. We've asked you to get back on topic. Gill is right. This thread is supposed to be about "Accepting Applications for Volunteer Moderators" not picking fights with guilds, and/or our guildies.
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Wow.....you don't seem to grasp that there is a difference between giving an opinion and ganging up on anyone that disagrees with your opinion also I wasn't the one that flung the conspiracy theorist insult your people did that .
And again YOU ARE NOT A MOD, I have suggested everyone working on how they presenting themselves and I have suggested dropping it...but you guys just can't let up because you are too busy presenting your guild image.
Someone has to be the adult here so I'll step away from the topic. I think the point has been aptly made regardless.
I'm personally applying because I think I can contribute to keeping the forum clean and organized since I'll be lurking anyway. People who think there's much more to being a mod are expecting too much of it, methinks. Any concerns of power abuse are unnecessary as well, since it's rather questionable if there's anything much to abuse, and anyone too far out of line will likely be promptly removed by the higher-standing staff anyway.
So to detract from the argument, here's a discussion point: if you've applied and don't mind sharing with the rest of us, what's yall's motivation?
If you have a personal vendetta against our guild, is this the right place to discuss it? The forum topic makes it clear. I don't see why I have to be a mod or dev to point out the obvious.
There are going to many many players who are part of guilds with many players forming their own. You have a large player base to hate then.
Like ausdoerrt said... moderators have little power anyway. They can lock and delete threads, and directly report stuff to higher authority, but that's about it. They are not gonna become evil overlords anytime soon, and they can be replaced at any time anyway, if the community does not want them anymore, so no big deal.
So, if you're gonna choose one, please disregard "guild agendas" and other such nonsense - moderators are perfectly allowed to promote their guild, but just like the rest of us folks, they have to keep themselves to the appropriate subforum.
The mod from the FW was a guild member - like the majority of the playerbase - and was the best mod I've ever seen.
Any way around this? Is there an email address I can send my application to?
https://support.perfectworld.com/app/ask
Is this where you're trying to send your resume to? If not, then do send from there.
For the Subject Line, input "Neverwinter Volunteer Moderator Application."
For the product, choose "Neverwinter."
For the Category, two choices need to be made, first choose "Customer Support" then "Forums and Website."
You can type your resume in the "Question" field or attach it as a text document through the attachments feature.
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I agree that it appears to be down.
What browser are you two using? I'm using Chrome and can load the support pages and forms okay.
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No thank you! b:bye
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/websites-say-cookies-are-blocked-unblock-them
If cookies arent blocked, then there may be a website bug somewhere that Cryptic needs to look at.
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Haha, made me laugh. Guess some of us are more masochistic than others b:laugh
I'm too lazy to find the post, but it said to email customerservice@perfectworld.com if you are getting the redirect error. Hope that helps!
I hope that the mods have separate mod accounts, that way they can remain impartial. Having been a mod in the past, neutrality is important but sometimes when posting on your personal account you can get carried away, which comes off badly. Having a separate account makes it easier to cultivate a neutral persona.
Who knows though.
Seems like a decent idea on the first glance, but could also spawn some accountability issues. I think limited anonymity for mods will make them behave better in general, while separate accounts might lead to extremes on each. Then again, this will vary from person to person.
Just to start it reduces the authenticity of the position.
It's not a huge issue now as on the forums everybody can be easily held accountable for their claims but once the game is released such a system would be begging for false claims that they were a forum mod. Mods have a certain level of authority, player or employee, and in the wrong hands this authority can cause havoc.
If every player could suddenly claim to be a moderator without players being able to discern the truth...well let's just leave it that problems would arise.
Secondly we've seen the good old "you're not a mod" call even in this thread. The anonymity of the mod comes into question when they post on their non-moderating account and run into a situation such as that and immediately jump to the mod account to control the situation.
Basically by trying to keep anonymity the only thing I could imagine happening is a bunch of people forming sewing circles talking about rumors of who is or isn't a mod. And let's face it, they're likely to be wrong most of the time.
Another issue that is adverted is some of the distaste for the mods. If volunteer mods only posted to punish then they can't be overly well received. However if volunteer moderators could display their personality, likes and even their dislikes then it truly helps bridge the gap between players and moderators resulting in a much better experience for everybody.
In my opinion by trying to keep anonymity the community wouldn't be as apt to respect the people behind the authority.
Also the mere presence of authority actively posting on the forums tends to maintain a respectful environment most times. Sort of like how you behave differently at work when the boss is nearby or not.
Volunteer Moderators are simply that, volunteers. Sure some of them can go on power trips and either intentionally or unintentionally use their authority for personal gain but there are very specific reasons to why the player moderators don't normally get separate accounts.
It's understandable why so many would want to keep the players separate from the mods but there's more to it than glory. I hope this might bring new light to some of you why it's not always the best idea to draw such a defined line.
Replies in this blue color.
It's just a suggestion, and of course there are pros and cons to anon/non-anon mods. I just hope that we don't glorify the mods, and that we are able to separate their posts from actual Cryptic/PWE "canon" if you will.
Sadly I've played to many games to know this isn't true. Players try to cheat or steal any way they can and a forum mod still has the same authenticity level and underlying trust that a paid employee has in or out of game.
No in game power doesn't mean the underlying authenticity doesn't exist.
"as a mod, you don't have to worry about pissing off your friends if you have to action their post/thread, as a normal poster, you can post opinions without it being considered the gospel."
I wasn't stating that the mod's should be untagged. More along the lines that problems can arise when volunteers switch between a normal posting account and a moderator account. Sure there are pro's and cons, I just personally find more cons.
"However, it's not really the purpose of a mod to be friends with people."
Absolutely. As with everything this is a fine line that will hopefully be monitored. However there's nothing worse in my opinion than unleashing mods that seem like they're only around to punish people.
"I wish"
Most times. Not every time. Sadly there are some people who just want to see the world burn.
"Granted, that was a paid gig, not volunteer. But having that "anonymity" made me more likely to consider how professional my posts came across."
Absolutely, but there's a big difference between paid and volunteer. I'm sure we won't be seeing a lot of Stormshade in game for instance although I bet he'll be playing a lot. In my experience most company employees have separate accounts and volunteers just have an account status. While either system can work and certainly a separate account kind of enforces a professionalism there are also advantages to having a little more candid conversations as well.
Absolutely don't glorify the mods. Honestly I'm fine with whatever Cryptic/PWE decides upon, I'm just stating what I've found in the past in situations where I was either a moderator or a normal player on a player moderated forum.
Personally I prefer the adjusted user status and those are my reasons why. But as you said, quite reasonably I might add, there are pro's for the other side as well.
Personally I'd never want to tackle such a large community and stand on the side of righteousness as a moderator. Quite simply if I see someone acting like an a***** then I can't help but call them out on it; a diplomatic moderator that does not make
Well it doesn't help when a said guild gangs up on one and tries to belittle him, a hint... conspiracy theory jab. Strormdragon made a very valid point/concern and people went up in arms against him which the vast majority shared the same affiliation. So take it how you want to.
Thank you, kindly.
PS: I'll kindly ask guildies to not respond any further to the two folks that insist on provoking the guild, instead of staying on topic of the OP. Thanks
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hmm... as i said, this is not a place to discuss this, but I need to clear some of your misunderstanding up. I never 'jabbed' conspiracy theory.
If anyone is using that word, it is a clear case of misrepresentation. Can you even once quote the term "conspiracy theory" used by me? If no, kindly stop spreading lies.
Only conspiracy I ever remember referring to was between certain guild members and mods referred to by someone else(don't remember who).
Never in my posts have I gone personal or insulted anyone. At most I will mock a reference if it is given out of context but never a person. Because I hate that the most.
Again I would say this is not the place to discuss this. Let this be a clean place. But please do not post misleading statements which are obviously not true.
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