TONG - Legendary Chest Rewards Worse Than Regular

etelgrin · January 2018

Hey,

Many many times from legendary chest I got only seals of brave and seals of protector and sometimes not even aquamarine, black opal, blood ruby, nothing but seals, then I open regular epic key chest and got seals of brave, protector and very often either black opal or blood ruby AT LEAST. How is that possible that P2W chest grants worse rewards most of the time than a regular F2P one? Did anyone else had similar experience?

cforest · January 2018

I was actually going to make a thread tomorrow after I used my campaign key as I've been noticing this as well, but I recently started tracking my legendary key rewards, and the past 5 have been:

Today for example, using my campaign key, I got a blood ruby, then the following 3 legendary keys yielded the exact rewards as above. I'm not sure if it's just bad luck, and I don't mean to get all tin-foily-hat-like, but...

I'm all for dropping a bit of cash on keys for a chance at something nice (devs gotta eat), but it's been discouraging lately. On another thought, I'm not sure I've seen a UES in that either. All my stones have come from the Epic Dungeon chest.

gromovnipljesak · January 2018

Never got a UES in the 2nd chest. Spent hours and hours grinding totems, thinking "oh I might get it once". Nope. Stopped making those keys in general, gotta get that last chult boon.

So I hope the devs see how bad the situation is. I'm prioritizing HAMSTER-tier boons over an imaginary chance to get a UES.

muminekm · January 2018

My only UES came from epic chest as well. Usually 2nd one has a lot worse loot.

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mebengalsfan · January 2018

ToNG is run not typically for the chest award initially. Most run ToNG initially for the seals for primal gear. In fact, that is why I would run ToNG. Other items in the chest would be a bonus for me and not something I am seeking in the content.

preechr · January 2018

The idea that adventurers could group together and invade some big bad's lair, destroy all his minions and sub-bosses, and then manage to kill him in his own home, only to look in his private stash to find JUNK or NOTHING is absolutely, unredeemably insulting to any MMO player... I get that our economy has issues, but it would be really nice to hear that at some point, once we reach a certain point of financial health, we might see increased drop rates of actual treasure instead of just seal currency and garbage

reefriednunt · January 2018

I’ve gotten a UES from both chests

mebengalsfan · January 2018

If you are running ToNG for end award, run CN or FBI. Both offer better awards than ToNG.

ravenskya · January 2018

mebengalsfan#9264 said:
If you are running ToNG for end award, run CN or FBI. Both offer better awards than ToNG.

Yes you run it for the seals - but what you are looking for is actually the UES, those come from the chests.

mebengalsfan · January 2018

preechr#2215 said:
The idea that adventurers could group together and invade some big bad's lair, destroy all his minions and sub-bosses, and then manage to kill him in his own home, only to look in his private stash to find JUNK or NOTHING is absolutely, unredeemably insulting to any MMO player... I get that our economy has issues, but it would be really nice to hear that at some point, once we reach a certain point of financial health, we might see increased drop rates of actual treasure instead of just seal currency and garbage

IMO a revamp (due to the recent changes to refinement) to gems awarded in chest should happen now in the game.

T1: R7
T2: R8
T3:

Players running the latest and hardest content should always be awarded at minimum a gem based on the tier of content in the extra chest. It would at least push down the pricing of enchantments that are R9 and lower.

modlesie · January 2018

Yup. There is my topic: https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1237137/to9g-drop

theredgodz · January 2018

Now i totally agree with this crummy drop rate its hard enough to stay awake in t9 after bazillion runs (not 1 ues, thankfully all voted to share).

But here's the reall question. Are the devs rewarding pug t9s more?

By pug i mean those woeful attemps at a single dc and 3 dps runs.

mebengalsfan · January 2018

theredgodz#4642 said:
Now i totally agree with this crummy drop rate its hard enough to stay awake in t9 after bazillion runs (not 1 ues, thankfully all voted to share).

But here's the reall question. Are the devs rewarding pug t9s more?

By pug i mean those woeful attemps at a single dc and 3 dps runs.

You get more seals and refinement. We did this with a MoF buffer, me as a DC, a pally tank and 2 DPS. We got more salvage drops on bosses, a few more seals and that was about it. The end chest award was still ok, but nothing great.

mebengalsfan · February 2018

For all complaining about the legendary chest.

I did some testing this weekend, not just T9 but a variety of content. In all my runs, the epic dungeon key almost always provided the BETTER award than the chest that a legendary key could be used to open.

I ran the following dungeons.

VT - 5x - Legendary chest had worst awards
MC - 5x - Legendary chest had worst awards
CN - 5x - only 1 of the legendary chest had a better award
T9 - 10x - Legendary had worst awards

So to the OP, the legendary chest is just extra loot, not where the good drops come from for the chest award.

Basically, Legendary Keys = AD sink or real money; either way it benefits Cryptic.

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mebengalsfan · March 2018

tiberiusrex#6660 said:
I posted elsewhere, but I think they should start rewarding epic insignias get rid of the blue. and I'd like to see r9 r10's drop as well. i'm running tong for the ues. with a side helping of seals. tbh I'm kind of happy wiht the gear I already have. although my dc can use the restoration gear.

I average one UES every 5 runs. I sell that to upgrade my enchantments on my CW. That is roughly a 10% drop rate on UES. I typically do my 5 runs in one day.

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mebengalsfan · March 2018

etelgrin said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

tiberiusrex#6660 said:
I posted elsewhere, but I think they should start rewarding epic insignias get rid of the blue. and I'd like to see r9 r10's drop as well. i'm running tong for the ues. with a side helping of seals. tbh I'm kind of happy wiht the gear I already have. although my dc can use the restoration gear.
I average one UES every 5 runs. I sell that to upgrade my enchantments on my CW. That is roughly a 10% drop rate on UES. I typically do my 5 runs in one day.

Nearly can agree with you but its not 10% chance just because you got it every 5 runs, note that you also had different players in your party who got or did not got UES at all, perhaps even after your typical 5 runs, there could be players with no UES.

I would say that on average we each get one after 5 run, 10 chest total. One player in my group typically average 3 UES for 5 runs. Our group is around 10% chance to get a UES. If the devs doubled this, than it should be around a 20% drop rate, which is quite a boost.

lordnagy · March 2018

> @mebengalsfan#9264 said:
> I posted elsewhere, but I think they should start rewarding epic insignias get rid of the blue. and I'd like to see r9 r10's drop as well. i'm running tong for the ues. with a side helping of seals. tbh I'm kind of happy wiht the gear I already have. although my dc can use the restoration gear.
>
> I average one UES every 5 runs. I sell that to upgrade my enchantments on my CW. That is roughly a 10% drop rate on UES. I typically do my 5 runs in one day.

Then you’re RNJesus.

I’ve ran T9 147 times and have received 1 UES.

Needless to say I no longer run T9 and just buy the stones now that they sell for 600k

mebengalsfan · March 2018

lordnagy#1603 said:
> @mebengalsfan#9264 said:

> I posted elsewhere, but I think they should start rewarding epic insignias get rid of the blue. and I'd like to see r9 r10's drop as well. i'm running tong for the ues. with a side helping of seals. tbh I'm kind of happy wiht the gear I already have. although my dc can use the restoration gear.

>

> I average one UES every 5 runs. I sell that to upgrade my enchantments on my CW. That is roughly a 10% drop rate on UES. I typically do my 5 runs in one day.

Then you’re RNJesus.

I’ve ran T9 147 times and have received 1 UES.

Needless to say I no longer run T9 and just buy the stones now that they sell for 600k

It is not just me though that is having this luck, there are 6-7 other players in my group that has this luck as well. One of them get 1 UES every 3rd run and sometimes 2 because of the two chest.

I know many others are not as lucky but we always solve all the puzzles and never use scrolls. When we do use scrolls those runs are when we see no one getting a UES. Maybe it is because of solving the puzzles or not using scrolls or maybe it is the combination of both.

fightdawalrus · March 2018

Drop rates aren't as bad as people make them out to be. I've never bought an UES and already got all 14s on my companion including bondings (so 9 enchants) and one on character.

Me and my group run T9G about 5 times a day and I'd say at least 2 of us get an UES every day or at least every other day. Im not sure I believe people anymore when they "ive done T9G 150 times and never got an UES" since most people ive met don't count their runs but instead they just make up a ridiculous number in an attempt to further prove their point.

jonkoca · March 2018

Run it regularly since the dungeon started, gotten nothing but seals and salvage junk.

Man am I tired of those puzzles. Literally one of the boons in the campaign should be "auto solve puzzles in tong".

fightdawalrus · March 2018

Most people skip them besides the moving chest one.

murphyva · March 2018

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

tiberiusrex#6660 said:
I posted elsewhere, but I think they should start rewarding epic insignias get rid of the blue. and I'd like to see r9 r10's drop as well. i'm running tong for the ues. with a side helping of seals. tbh I'm kind of happy wiht the gear I already have. although my dc can use the restoration gear.
I average one UES every 5 runs. I sell that to upgrade my enchantments on my CW. That is roughly a 10% drop rate on UES. I typically do my 5 runs in one day.

How do you get a UES every 5 runs? Yesterday i did my 50th run (kept track of legendary keys) and I opened both chests. UES still hasent dropped

marnival · March 2018

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

lordnagy#1603 said:
> @mebengalsfan#9264 said:

> I posted elsewhere, but I think they should start rewarding epic insignias get rid of the blue. and I'd like to see r9 r10's drop as well. i'm running tong for the ues. with a side helping of seals. tbh I'm kind of happy wiht the gear I already have. although my dc can use the restoration gear.

>

> I average one UES every 5 runs. I sell that to upgrade my enchantments on my CW. That is roughly a 10% drop rate on UES. I typically do my 5 runs in one day.

Then you’re RNJesus.

I’ve ran T9 147 times and have received 1 UES.

Needless to say I no longer run T9 and just buy the stones now that they sell for 600k
It is not just me though that is having this luck, there are 6-7 other players in my group that has this luck as well. One of them get 1 UES every 3rd run and sometimes 2 because of the two chest.

I know many others are not as lucky but we always solve all the puzzles and never use scrolls. When we do use scrolls those runs are when we see no one getting a UES. Maybe it is because of solving the puzzles or not using scrolls or maybe it is the combination of both.

Pure nonsence tbh.

Last week 62 runs opening both chest with a guildie doing the same that is 62x4 248 chest NOT A SINGLE UES!!!
Overall I have done easy over 200 runs with 1 UE drop total solving all puzzles or not the rng is absolutly pure FLUFFY WHITE KITTENS....

Some get all luck others get zip but getting 1 UE every 3 runs as an average for players is nonsence...

Mod edit. Evade the filter and your profanity will also be "nonsence"

ivansinkovic1 · March 2018

fightdawalrus#5058 said:
Drop rates aren't as bad as people make them out to be. I've never bought an UES and already got all 14s on my companion including bondings (so 9 enchants) and one on character.

Me and my group run T9G about 5 times a day and I'd say at least 2 of us get an UES every day or at least every other day. Im not sure I believe people anymore when they "ive done T9G 150 times and never got an UES" since most people ive met don't count their runs but instead they just make up a ridiculous number in an attempt to further prove their point.

I have a friend that dropped cambion magus on very first try in cradle. After that, he stopped playing. That means drop rate of cambion magus in there is 100%. Im not sure I believe people anymore when they "ive done HAMSTER 150 times and never got a magus" since most people ive met don't count their runs but instead they just make up a ridiculous number in an attempt to further prove their point.
See, this way of thinking is wrong. Most of the people count by number of keys spent. On average I get one UE for every 80 runs; does it mean everybody gets it on 80 runs? - NO. I've been in multi runs where one lucky guy got them in every run, while others just got salvage/rp/seals.

mebengalsfan · March 2018

marnival said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

lordnagy#1603 said:
> @mebengalsfan#9264 said:

> I posted elsewhere, but I think they should start rewarding epic insignias get rid of the blue. and I'd like to see r9 r10's drop as well. i'm running tong for the ues. with a side helping of seals. tbh I'm kind of happy wiht the gear I already have. although my dc can use the restoration gear.

>

> I average one UES every 5 runs. I sell that to upgrade my enchantments on my CW. That is roughly a 10% drop rate on UES. I typically do my 5 runs in one day.

Then you’re RNJesus.

I’ve ran T9 147 times and have received 1 UES.

Needless to say I no longer run T9 and just buy the stones now that they sell for 600k
It is not just me though that is having this luck, there are 6-7 other players in my group that has this luck as well. One of them get 1 UES every 3rd run and sometimes 2 because of the two chest.

I know many others are not as lucky but we always solve all the puzzles and never use scrolls. When we do use scrolls those runs are when we see no one getting a UES. Maybe it is because of solving the puzzles or not using scrolls or maybe it is the combination of both.
Pure nonsence tbh.

Last week 62 runs opening both chest with a guildie doing the same that is 62x4 248 chest NOT A SINGLE UES!!!
Overall I have done easy over 200 runs with 1 UE drop total solving all puzzles or not the rng is absolutly pure FLUFFY WHITE KITTENS....

Some get all luck others get zip but getting 1 UE every 3 runs as an average for players is nonsence...

Mod edit. Evade the filter and your profanity will also be "nonsence"

That is the truth though. Did t9 10x over the weekend (Friday - Sunday)) and got 2 UES due to the double enchantment event. Still around a 10% average for me.

ll of but one player out of my core group is averaging 10% or higher for UES. That one player has only ran it around 9x now. There is still a chance he could get a UES on his 10th run.

A friend pulled out a Shadow Demon and a epic Fire Archon in one run. The pulls are not bad in T9. I don't think the extra key drops are all that bad in T9.

I also keep hearing I did X amount of runs. Yet those same players sit there in the port calling out all day. On Saturday morning I watched a GWF that was 16K+ calling out for T9. I did 3 runs. After my 3 runs (90 minutes) I sent a tell to the GWF. I asked them if they had any luck getting into T9. They said no. I asked how many they run a week. They said about 60. I asked the average run time for his T9 runs. He told me around 40 minutes. I than asked about his UES luck and he stated over 200 runs and zero has dropped. Things are not adding up with anything he stated.

In 90 minutes I did 3 runs and he did zero. T9 run time on my DC average out to about 30 minutes. I do enough to max out my seals each week on my DC, roughly 10 runs. That is 300 mintues or 5 hours of my time each week.

The GWF is averaging 40 minutes, meaning if he did 60 runs that would equal up to 40 hours a week in just T9. That does not include his time waiting to get into T9 and as I noted I did 3 runs and he did zero. That is wasted time just calling out. In fact, I know how hard it is to form a group for T9 but once you get a good group together it is fairly easy to get T9 done. I call BS on the GWF doing 60 runs a week, especially if he spends most of his time just trying to get into a group.

I agree with @ivansinkovic1 that players are over stating their runs. I just find the whole concept of I did 60 runs in a week to be BS, unless you play daily for 10 hours a day and spend roughly 3+ hours of that forming groups.

marnival · March 2018

agree with @ivansinkovic1 that players are over stating their runs. I just find the whole concept of I did 60 runs in a week to be BS, unless you play daily for 10 hours a day and spend roughly 3+ hours of that forming groups.

I agree but during 2x enchant drop some form groups that run Tong in 25 min easy and doing 10 a day is not biggie if you focus it during a week here and there but every week na not likely or realistic tbh..

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TONG - Legendary Chest Rewards Worse Than Regular

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