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Can someone tell me, how many times do i have to make nDemo/eDemo to get +5 Brutality or +5 Rising Power?

I would like to know the number of the eDemo/nDemo runs i have already done.
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  • wale185#4779 wale185 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2017
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  • wale185#4779 wale185 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    and mee too
  • enes28enesenes28enes Member Posts: 3 New User
    I think this game does not show any effort to improve administrators
  • enes28enesenes28enes Member Posts: 3 New User
    this game deserves better :dizzy:
  • enes28enesenes28enes Member Posts: 3 New User
    some of them really are putting large sums of money with high hopes, but of thousands unable to get anything in the dungeon
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,155 Arc User

    Can someone tell me, how many times do i have to make nDemo/eDemo to get +5 Brutality or +5 Rising Power?

    I would like to know the number of the eDemo/nDemo runs i have already done.

    Offer a prayer and sacrifice to the RNG gods.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • bordoberell#9093 bordoberell Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Can someone tell me, how many times do i have to make nDemo/eDemo to get +5 Brutality or +5 Rising Power?

    I would like to know the number of the eDemo/nDemo runs i have already done.

    Offer a prayer and sacrifice to the RNG gods.
    Is this what you are doing? Does it work for you?
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User

    greywynd said:

    Can someone tell me, how many times do i have to make nDemo/eDemo to get +5 Brutality or +5 Rising Power?

    I would like to know the number of the eDemo/nDemo runs i have already done.

    Offer a prayer and sacrifice to the RNG gods.
    Is this what you are doing? Does it work for you?
    I've got this pile of dead goats in my backyard but no +5 brutality so no, it doesn't work.

    Seriously though, even with the changes to the drop rates it's a crapshoot.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,435 Arc User
    From 1 to 9999999999999999999999999999999999 times.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    All of them.
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  • cortown715#2691 cortown715 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    You'd be better off making a character sheet on paper(yep old school dd) write it on there that you have one.
    Ive run ndemo and epic probably 3 to 5 times a day for the last 6 months and don't even have +4 versions of a brutality or rising power.
    Ive only got 1+5 rising focus and it came from pom.
  • tripsofthrymrtripsofthrymr Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,624 Community Moderator
    From what I understand, the chances are a lot better than they used to be but +5 rings are still intended to be extremely rare rewards.

    The good news is, you can complete all the PVE content just fine without one (I know, I haven't gotten a single +5 drop).

    As for PVP, well there are larger issues there than if you have a +5 ring or a +4 one (or more likely a ring better suited to a PVP build... I don't PVP anymore so not sure what BIS is for such builds).
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  • sumatrraasumatrraa Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4 Arc User
    Adding an exchange store for +5 Rings is not a bad idea i guess...
  • sabre10sabre10 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    Similar feeling here too. Frankly I'm beyond fed up/frustrated/disappointed in the way that the drops are. This is for me a huge turn off from the game.
    @tripsofthrymr, I appreciate your up beat approach but following the changes all I have recieved are a swath of +1 rings. On the numerous run I've seen no evidence nor heard of any drops to convince me that the changes are remotely effective.
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  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    I outfitted my main and 2 alts with twisted sets and never saw a +5 ring of any type, let alone the one I wanted.
  • enyo1989enyo1989 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 10 Arc User
    Did ~100 runs now with the new chest loot and got nothing spezial. no +5 ring or anything else...
  • vida44vida44 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 667 Arc User

    Can someone tell me, how many times do i have to make nDemo/eDemo to get +5 Brutality or +5 Rising Power?

    I would like to know the number of the eDemo/nDemo runs i have already done.

    The answer is pretty simple I think. You only need to run 1. That one will get you a +5 Brutality drop and a +5 Rising Power in the chest.

    But beware. If you do get this run the game will crash, everyone's accounts will be deleted, earthquakes, floods, aliens, armageddon, ragnarok, judgment day...

    On a more serious note, the question you asked can only be answered like this because the ways of the RNGesus are mysterious. (until China says they have to be revealed). :smile:
  • samaka#2511 samaka Member Posts: 568 Arc User
    vida44 said:


    On a more serious note, the question you asked can only be answered like this because the ways of the RNGesus are mysterious. (until China says they have to be revealed). :smile:

    Only in China... obviously Chinese law is not going to apply outside China, and while we may get to see the Chinese percentages on the lockboxes there is no guarantee that those percentages will be our percentages! :(
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  • callumf#9018 callumf Member Posts: 1,710 Arc User
    Anecdotally I have noticed a DROP in RIng value from Dwarven Throne [or I may be imagining it] I have got +3+4 in the past but now its always +1 [Evidence based on less than 20 runs being honest]
  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    Put it this way I've been running cn, emo, demo, throne and pom everyday from the start of the mod, and I've had a total of 6 plus five rings drop in all that time, and all of them have been the wrong ones. The people I know who have got the right ones grinded for them seriously - like 50 runs a day seriously.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • reg1981reg1981 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,435 Arc User
    Ran my first eDemo in a long time this weekend(Actually ran about 15) and the very first run popped a +5 Ring for me! Wasn't a good one, but still a +5. In those 15 runs I seen 2 +5s pop. Mine and another person got a +5 defense.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,435 Arc User

    vida44 said:


    On a more serious note, the question you asked can only be answered like this because the ways of the RNGesus are mysterious. (until China says they have to be revealed). :smile:

    Only in China... obviously Chinese law is not going to apply outside China, and while we may get to see the Chinese percentages on the lockboxes there is no guarantee that those percentages will be our percentages! :(
    You won't see any unless the server is located in China.
    I could be wrong but I don't think there is a Chinese locale set up for this game for China.
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  • lantern22lantern22 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,111 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    I saw someone get a +5 Brutality in Edemo last night - first time ever I've seen that. I seem to be getting more +4 rings (not from chest tho).
  • btairbornebtairborne Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    Your chance is now increased by 10% since the last patch so if you are reading how long it took people before which is basically everyone in the thread, just throw out those answers. Basically the answer now is run it and find out!
  • reg1981reg1981 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,435 Arc User

    Your chance is now increased by 10% since the last patch so if you are reading how long it took people before which is basically everyone in the thread, just throw out those answers. Basically the answer now is run it and find out!

    Last patch was the 19th so a lot of these comments are after the patch.

    I've run enough edemo to equip my first 8 toons(one of each class) with twisted weapons. In all those runs I pulled 2 +5 rings. My third just popped this weekend on my first run. Not one of them was a ring of rising power or brutality.

    The bitter pill to swallow here is that I need my +5 Brutality THEN need the +5 Sudden Precision which will be a whole new beast to tackle!!

    A place to swap them would be nice however making them tradable would also help. I have 3 that I will never use, let me trade or sell them to someone who will use it!
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,155 Arc User
    Best I've seen since patch is a pair of +4 Ambush and Vanishing Presence. +4 Ring of Salvage. Both of them.
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  • lukejones77lukejones77 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 282 Arc User

    Your chance is now increased by 10% since the last patch so if you are reading how long it took people before which is basically everyone in the thread, just throw out those answers. Basically the answer now is run it and find out!

    No, I don't think so.

    You're implying that my chances of a +5 ring have gone up from 0.00001% to 10.00001%?
    If that were really true, you wouldn't be seeing threads like this.
    I had a lot of keys saved up, and they're all gone, with drops that looked no better than before the key change - lots of +1/+1.

    Even if a legendary ring drops finally for you, the odds are badly stacked against it being the treasured +5 brutality. Expect to get extremely likely many times, before you get what you actually want!
    Absolutely no question that the inability to peek in chests put us far further behind than what the "RNG improvement" gave us.
    I think the other trinket drops were added to help distract from that obvious truth.
    Whilst the RNG improvement might mean that a handful of winners has grown to be a few handfuls of winners, the basic reality is that the vast majority of continue to be losers.

    But, there is GOOD news! Now, when you run out of keys, you know to stop trying, and go find something else do to.
    No more endless effort at eDemo runs for disappointing chest peeks!

    Of course, that sensible logic is ultimately bad news if you apply it across the current landscape:
    - The last half of the campaign boons are ridiculously low value for their voninblood grind? - don't do it!
    - Farming FBI for new armor set, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it!
    - Farming Svardborg for weapon set superior marks, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it!
    - Logging when you have everything except these mod 10 bits - don't do it?!?!?!

  • callumf#9018 callumf Member Posts: 1,710 Arc User
    Funnily enough I did a Dwarven Throne last night and one of the party got a +5 ring. I got a +1 [again]. But I was happy for the very lucky recipient.
  • waywardwizard#4349 waywardwizard Member Posts: 201 Arc User



    Of course, that sensible logic is ultimately bad news if you apply it across the current landscape:
    - The last half of the campaign boons are ridiculously low value for their voninblood grind? - don't do it!
    - Farming FBI for new armor set, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it!
    - Farming Svardborg for weapon set superior marks, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it!
    - Logging when you have everything except these mod 10 bits - don't do it?!?!?!

    pretty much yeah
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