PS. Regarding the therms of service. If a rule like, we can do what we want for whatever reason or no reason at all would work, every contract in the world (when one person is in a stronger position) would read like 'I can do everything I like, you dont have any rights and you have to pay me XY'. They provide service in the EU, so European law gets applied to this 'rules'. Players are consumers, so there is a bunch of rules protecting them from one sided terms of service like that.
I completely agree with you on that one. As far as I've heard and seen, nobody has ever been permabanned while being completely innocent, though I know a lot of people who have been innocently temp banned (quite a few during last year's winter festival. )
Funny, that you mentioned it. Due to the fact, that MODs explained it in the forum I think, that this is not prohibited as a MOD discussion. They banned everyone who did get 20 or more free gifts on one account, bc there was a bug allowing ppl to claim free gifts multiple times. Guess who has 20 chars and did get banned for claiming one free gift on each character?^^
The point, when I had to shake my head bc I did not know if I should feel mad or pity them was, when I said, that they should write better scripts and CM answered, that they banned every account by hand. So someone banned hundreds of accounts with 20 or more characters bc the account claimed 20 or more free gifts and never had a moment of 'wait, he claimed 23 gifts on 23 chars, that should be ok'?
Yeah, I believe they quit doing automated bans after that, so no longer an issue.
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It's real easy.. just stop being lazy and do round robin style gifting. Call out the first letter of who goes next. Party order or alphabetical is easiest. Yes you have to actually type a little. I know how people in NW hate to type anything.
It only really gets to be a hassle at about 20 gifts but you really reap the rewards. If someone is out of gifts, kick them immediately and possibly find someone else. For the most part scammers head to easier pickings and that's not this kind of group.
Is 1-for-1 really that important to you?
Integrity is important to some people. Not so much for thieves and liars.
It's real easy.. just stop being lazy and do round robin style gifting. Call out the first letter of who goes next. Party order or alphabetical is easiest. Yes you have to actually type a little. I know how people in NW hate to type anything.
It only really gets to be a hassle at about 20 gifts but you really reap the rewards. If someone is out of gifts, kick them immediately and possibly find someone else. For the most part scammers head to easier pickings and that's not this kind of group.
Is 1-for-1 really that important to you?
Integrity is important to some people. Not so much for thieves and liars.
BAZINGA! Good Area-of-Effect slight. No one targeted, yet the implication is there..... +1.
If you are doing a round-robin, 1 at a time, its not integrity... its coerced compliance. If you (or anyone) can't part with 10 *potential* received gifts (most of which a HUGE portion of the forumites have wrongly called 'trash'), then you take this quite seriously. Perhaps some perspective is in order, no?
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It's real easy.. just stop being lazy and do round robin style gifting. Call out the first letter of who goes next. Party order or alphabetical is easiest. Yes you have to actually type a little. I know how people in NW hate to type anything.
It only really gets to be a hassle at about 20 gifts but you really reap the rewards. If someone is out of gifts, kick them immediately and possibly find someone else. For the most part scammers head to easier pickings and that's not this kind of group.
Is 1-for-1 really that important to you?
Integrity is important to some people. Not so much for thieves and liars.
BAZINGA! Good Area-of-Effect slight. No one targeted, yet the implication is there..... +1.
If you are doing a round-robin, 1 at a time, its not integrity... its coerced compliance. If you (or anyone) can't part with 10 *potential* received gifts (most of which a HUGE portion of the forumites have wrongly called 'trash'), then you take this quite seriously. Perhaps some perspective is in order, no?
It's not really that either though. If you say you are looking for a gift party with a certain number of gifts, and then you don't give that number of gifts, you lied, and therefore scammed. As I've stated earlier, I personally have no issue with using gifts on people who have no intention of using any back, provided that they say that before hand instead of lying about it.
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I just think its a lot of ado over not much. Technically, a rolling stop at a stop sign makes me a ne'er-do-well, but there isn't this much discussion over it. Maybe its a pov thing....
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I just think its a lot of ado over not much. Technically, a rolling stop at a stop sign makes me a ne'er-do-well, but there isn't this much discussion over it. Maybe its a pov thing....
It problem is a POV thing. Personally, as a moderator (and even before I became a moderator) I've always been someone who does the very best to 1) know exactly what the rules are, and 2) follow them as closely as possible. Not many people read through EULAs and/or ToS before agreeing to them - I think I'm in a minority with that.
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gift giving was an excellent idea and great fun in practice... i normally took part in an end of festival party with friends, with people giving uneven numbers, entering with uneven numbers of chars too... it's almost an all night thing now... (sort of)
i also participated in quite a few spontaneous zone groups with occasional scammers. more than anything else, this astonishes me, as people -- kids i would guess -- show recklessness for basically nothing, and teaches me, how much the world needs to be policed! don't overreact to it here, though -- it's a game, yes? :-)
t's not really that either though. If you say you are looking for a gift party with a certain number of gifts, and then you don't give that number of gifts, you lied, and therefore scammed. As I've stated earlier, I personally have no issue with using gifts on people who have no intention of using any back, provided that they say that before hand instead of lying about it.
look here, what if one person inviting for 10 gifts party every 5 minutes (with gifts sharing time) and leave the party on his turn. So he will have 40 gifts gifted for 5 minutes Its about 10 starring bags. 120 bags for 1 hour. 480 for 4 hours. If he won a mount or artifact or wards and bondings from bags. should it be submitted as obtain game items by cheat?
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
ummm
why are ANYone joining parties in zone anyways.. jeepers.
nothing is worse then the anonymous mmo player.
Join in your guild/alliance/community channels, friends list..
Dont have a guild yet.. great.. there is a whole page of them for you to look at (dozens of even higher end guilds, with hundreds of open spots)
not yet 70.. some take you at 60, some at lvl 10 even.. just have to find a spot for you.
Once in a modest size guild.. there is some responsibility to each other (or should be anyways)
Also scamming and shorting is a bit different, I mean say your opening up 20 and some poor shlob got zero bags and was counting on it to make up the xtra 1 or 2.. oh well. give him a break.
Frankly I dont like to open less then 100.. but Ive done a few 50s. I dont count .. dont need to.. beacuase.. duh, goes back to the friends/community/alliance or guild .. I dont even care if they short me or give me more.. makes no difference to me. I will usually bump in a few extra when I give.. there , dont stress!
I will often gift on one char and catch on another. So the auto thing would screw me, so would the -1 system. There should really be a report scammer button or something. After a certain number of reports from different ppl, they get a 3 day ban hammer. Simple
ummm Join in your guild/alliance/community channels, friends list..
Dont have a guild yet.. great.. there is a whole page of them for you to look at (dozens of even higher end guilds, with hundreds of open spots)
not yet 70.. some take you at 60, some at lvl 10 even.. just have to find a spot for you.
I second that recommendation (if you're lower-level, my guild Caritas is oriented toward newer players and we're part of a large alliance).
Even when I joined /zone gift parties, the amount of times I have been scammed this year has been tiny compared to the amount of gifts given and received. Not sure if I'm lucky (it was different for me last year). I have 18 toons to get through and I'm spending a huge amount of time just opening the gifts. For me, personally, I just get past the occasional scammer in the interest of opening gifts quickly.
If you just have a few toons, you should be able to get all your gifts opened in a guild / alliance party (or in a custom channel like NW_Legit_Community). If you have lots of toons and can't get them all opened efficiently with known-friendlies, your time is probably better spent just getting /zone groups to open with and shrugging off the occasional scammer. Especially toward the end of the event, 20+ parties are fairly easy to find. If you have a large number of gifts left, join one of those large parties. If you go in rounds of 5 or 10, outright scammers will be outed in the first round, while gift shorters will drop out in a later round. Either way, you minimize your risk.
Just a thought but some people may not know the difference between the blue bordered gifting lanters and the gray bordered decorative only lanterns, they do look exactly the same except for the color border around them (a real pain for a friend of mine who is color blind) and particularly with so many new players signing on and rushing to level up because all of the good drops and the ability to earn a decent amount of astral diamonds only tend happen at higher levels with higher gear scores that would seem to be something worth considering.
I know wasn't aware of the difference my first year participating in the Simril Festival , but fortunately I chose to exchange gifts with guildmates, friends and persons known to me, so instead of immediately earning the tag of a "scammer", someone asked: "What happened no gifts dropped?"
I have a lot of alts that I do professions with, and sometimes for generating influence for the guild. This means I have many alts with presents even at the end of the festival. I also have good RNG. I like having the option to drop gifts for friends who have less time in the game, fewer alts or terrible RNG. I don't want them kicked because they can't repay gifts one per one. My favourite thing is to hear their excitement when they get something good.
Getting rid of sky lanterns would help reduce the ability for people to be confused by the two types of lanterns (those who are new to the festival or colour blind) and stop scammers from being able to pretend.
BTW, is anyone saving stars to help them with their gifting in the Winter Festival next year?
Well, there are a few players giving away their gifts for free, and i try to get into their groups to do the same. In one case i even logged onto 3 more characters, and burned through all my gifts for that group too. And i still have a few characters left with well over 30+ gifts on them, waiting for the right group to come along...
I'm just so sick and tired of all the scamming going on, i might just keep the gifts around for now, and use them on a skirmish/dungeon run group i actually enjoyed playing together with.
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I suppose I'm lucky, but I have only been in one group with one scammer. About 1/3 of my groups are with my alliance or other known-friendlies, but 2/3 have been pug.
I ran into a number of people that were just giving all their gifts without regard to whether others in the group can match.
It's frustrating when someone scams an event like this, but I choose to trust people until they prove untrustworthy. Sure I get burned now and then, but the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives.
1. Create an NPC that players target and use a gift. You get drops into your bags that equal what you would get in a party of 5 players.
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2. Target any player and use a gift, no party required. They get a gift and you get drops as above. I prefer this one because I could reward someone for answering questions in chat, just because I like their name or whatever criteria I set for giving.
I just think its a lot of ado over not much. Technically, a rolling stop at a stop sign makes me a ne'er-do-well, but there isn't this much discussion over it. Maybe its a pov thing....
Well wait until you get rear ended by someone doing a rolling stop and see how you feel about rolling stops then.
I just think its a lot of ado over not much. Technically, a rolling stop at a stop sign makes me a ne'er-do-well, but there isn't this much discussion over it. Maybe its a pov thing....
Well wait until you get rear ended by someone doing a rolling stop and see how you feel about rolling stops then.
Let's overlook the fact that if they were doing a rolling stop, they wouldn't be able to rear-end me.
You are equating a car accident with not telling the truth in a video game, which will result in you not getting Lights for an semi-useful artifact, and a *chance* at a gift bag that might give you other pixels.
Other than the (non)recipient having self-esteem issues, I don't see how this would cause anyone to expend so much energy. It really is puzzling.
I guess we have different opinions on what a rolling stop is. If you are stopped or your rolling stop is slower than the rolling stop by the person behind you they will be able to rear end you.
You brought up the rolling stop. I did not equate anything with anything. Perhaps your reading comprehension is lacking. I even quoted you on a separate post to indicate the two are not related. I am saying rolling stops are not problem free as you apparently believe.
I don't see how complaining about a poor design by Cryptic and suggesting improvements leads you to determine that the complainant has self esteem issues. If you think things are fine you must like getting scammed, have never been scammed or are one of the many scammers.
I guess we have different opinions on what a rolling stop is. If you are stopped or your rolling stop is slower than the rolling stop by the person behind you they will be able to rear end you.
You brought up the rolling stop. I did not equate anything with anything. Perhaps your reading comprehension is lacking. I even quoted you on a separate post to indicate the two are not related. I am saying rolling stops are not problem free as you apparently believe.
I don't see how complaining about a poor design by Cryptic and suggesting improvements leads you to determine that the complainant has self esteem issues. If you think things are fine you must like getting scammed, have never been scammed or are one of the many scammers.
You got me... must have been an FBI profiler at some point in your storied life. Good Job!!!
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If you are doing a round-robin, 1 at a time, its not integrity... its coerced compliance. If you (or anyone) can't part with 10 *potential* received gifts (most of which a HUGE portion of the forumites have wrongly called 'trash'), then you take this quite seriously. Perhaps some perspective is in order, no?
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i normally took part in an end of festival party with friends, with people giving uneven numbers, entering with uneven numbers of chars too... it's almost an all night thing now... (sort of)
i also participated in quite a few spontaneous zone groups with occasional scammers.
more than anything else, this astonishes me, as people -- kids i would guess -- show recklessness for basically nothing, and teaches me, how much the world needs to be policed!
don't overreact to it here, though -- it's a game, yes? :-)
look here, what if one person inviting for 10 gifts party every 5 minutes (with gifts sharing time) and leave the party on his turn. So he will have 40 gifts gifted for 5 minutes Its about 10 starring bags. 120 bags for 1 hour. 480 for 4 hours. If he won a mount or artifact or wards and bondings from bags. should it be submitted as obtain game items by cheat?
why are ANYone joining parties in zone anyways.. jeepers.
nothing is worse then the anonymous mmo player.
Join in your guild/alliance/community channels, friends list..
Dont have a guild yet.. great.. there is a whole page of them for you to look at (dozens of even higher end guilds, with hundreds of open spots)
not yet 70.. some take you at 60, some at lvl 10 even.. just have to find a spot for you.
Once in a modest size guild.. there is some responsibility to each other (or should be anyways)
Also scamming and shorting is a bit different, I mean say your opening up 20 and some poor shlob got zero bags and was counting on it to make up the xtra 1 or 2.. oh well. give him a break.
Frankly I dont like to open less then 100.. but Ive done a few 50s. I dont count .. dont need to.. beacuase.. duh, goes back to the friends/community/alliance or guild .. I dont even care if they short me or give me more.. makes no difference to me. I will usually bump in a few extra when I give.. there , dont stress!
There should really be a report scammer button or something. After a certain number of reports from different ppl, they get a 3 day ban hammer.
Simple
Remember the definition of 'gift', something you give with no expection of anything in return. If you get something back it's a bonus.
So give your gifts to people in that spirit and you'll never be upset if you're 'scammed'.
Even when I joined /zone gift parties, the amount of times I have been scammed this year has been tiny compared to the amount of gifts given and received. Not sure if I'm lucky (it was different for me last year). I have 18 toons to get through and I'm spending a huge amount of time just opening the gifts. For me, personally, I just get past the occasional scammer in the interest of opening gifts quickly.
If you just have a few toons, you should be able to get all your gifts opened in a guild / alliance party (or in a custom channel like NW_Legit_Community). If you have lots of toons and can't get them all opened efficiently with known-friendlies, your time is probably better spent just getting /zone groups to open with and shrugging off the occasional scammer. Especially toward the end of the event, 20+ parties are fairly easy to find. If you have a large number of gifts left, join one of those large parties. If you go in rounds of 5 or 10, outright scammers will be outed in the first round, while gift shorters will drop out in a later round. Either way, you minimize your risk.
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I know wasn't aware of the difference my first year participating in the Simril Festival , but fortunately I chose to exchange gifts with guildmates, friends and persons known to me, so instead of immediately earning the tag of a "scammer", someone asked: "What happened no gifts dropped?"
As I said, just a thought ~
Getting rid of sky lanterns would help reduce the ability for people to be confused by the two types of lanterns (those who are new to the festival or colour blind) and stop scammers from being able to pretend.
BTW, is anyone saving stars to help them with their gifting in the Winter Festival next year?
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In one case i even logged onto 3 more characters, and burned through all my gifts for that group too.
And i still have a few characters left with well over 30+ gifts on them, waiting for the right group to come along...
I'm just so sick and tired of all the scamming going on, i might just keep the gifts around for now, and use them on a skirmish/dungeon run group i actually enjoyed playing together with.
I ran into a number of people that were just giving all their gifts without regard to whether others in the group can match.
It's frustrating when someone scams an event like this, but I choose to trust people until they prove untrustworthy. Sure I get burned now and then, but the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives.
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2. Target any player and use a gift, no party required. They get a gift and you get drops as above. I prefer this one because I could reward someone for answering questions in chat, just because I like their name or whatever criteria I set for giving.
You are equating a car accident with not telling the truth in a video game, which will result in you not getting Lights for an semi-useful artifact, and a *chance* at a gift bag that might give you other pixels.
Other than the (non)recipient having self-esteem issues, I don't see how this would cause anyone to expend so much energy. It really is puzzling.
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I guess we have different opinions on what a rolling stop is. If you are stopped or your rolling stop is slower than the rolling stop by the person behind you they will be able to rear end you.
You brought up the rolling stop. I did not equate anything with anything. Perhaps your reading comprehension is lacking. I even quoted you on a separate post to indicate the two are not related. I am saying rolling stops are not problem free as you apparently believe.
I don't see how complaining about a poor design by Cryptic and suggesting improvements leads you to determine that the complainant has self esteem issues. If you think things are fine you must like getting scammed, have never been scammed or are one of the many scammers.