15% off for C-wards were like eh....still cant afford it.

wylonus · October 2016

still not acceptable cost. i still got lot of that need upgraded, way too many. i have 5 alts. it is still costly, 4 of alts still got no "T-bars", only on my main.

i am not giving in for that, i might be not only ones who refuse that kind of weak discount price, still too steep.

plasticbat · October 2016

T bar does not give you c-wards.

wylonus · October 2016

yes, i know, and they were, they took away last year.

aslan3775 · October 2016

It would be interesting to see what price point people are willing to pay for the Coal Wards. Would it be 500 zen? They should have that information from Black Friday sales. Would it be some mulitiplier of the Pres Wards--like 30 pres wards=1 coal ward?

Obviously they believe the ratio is 100 to 1

There is always that argument that if you price it correctly, you make more money than landing the occasional whale. This forum is full of comments/threads with that theme.

My personal belief: 850 is for fools since it is 6 weeks to a potential black friday or cyber monday sale.

remfdt · October 2016

Even for a whale, $8-10 is a sucker bet. Price coals at $1, and pres wards at $0.05 each (no coupons), and I think they'd see a HUGE increase in gross, and net, income.

aaramis75 · October 2016

I'm just curious who doesn't already buy C-wards for 850 zen. If you invoke several times a day you're bound to get a 15% off coupon anyways so there's never a reason to pay full price for one.

That said, yes, they should reduce the regular price much further. $5 would be ideal.

santralafax · October 2016

I'm all for $5--500 zen. That's what I think they're worth. Though I like the idea of $1 coal wards, don't get me wrong!

wylonus · October 2016

still failed to get C-ward from invokings, hadnt got one since last year with 5 alts, not going to make an army of invokers by adding more alts. i think it is almost non-exist, or that RNG is just being mean and rotten.

now i havent been invoking as regularity for days, to the point of giving up, some alts are still too weak to handle WoD and icewind, doing the weekly for ADs was barely doable except my main can do 3 of 6 weeklies solo (Portal, Arcane, and Red wizards are the easy to do), doing other ones are too much without groups.
Biggrin's Tomb still too much.
Babaphet's Maze takes too long to kill
and Eliminster's Dragon Hoard Cart take forever to finish and expensive to buy from AH since AD nerfed from invoking since it is no longer asccessable unless you do salvagings or do the weeklies, because Dragon hoard coins got nerfed many months ago, these would have been bound to character instead of tradeable items, those were exploited.

only way to buy is from Zen, it is one way single access and many players hate it.

litaaers · October 2016

wylonus said:

only way to buy is from Zen, it is one way single access and many players hate it.

Incorrect on both counts. It may be the only way for *you* and *your* playstyle. Maybe even for quite a few. But not the only way.

santralafax · October 2016

litaaers said:

wylonus said:

only way to buy is from Zen, it is one way single access and many players hate it.
Incorrect on both counts. It may be the only way for *you* and *your* playstyle. Maybe even for quite a few. But not the only way.

I know there are some people with many alts that have all day to invoke them, and they expect to get so many coal wards per month. Cheers to them. Glad they are independently wealthy. I get one every few months.

I suppose it is possible to be a wzard of the auction house and earn enough AD to buy coal wards from others.

plasticbat · October 2016

You don't open those invoke box at the moment you get one. You open a lot of them (at least 30) in one shot. I have only 12 alts that can invoke. I open them only when I need to. Usually, in 2xRP time. I never buy C-ward from Zen store or AH. I do buy P-ward from Zen store.

lirithiel · October 2016

I invoke on 7 toons and complete the cycle daily (what a PITA) and I don't see Coal Wards very often - say about once a month. I open them in batches of 7. As @wylonus pointed out, buying Coal Wards from zen store just isn't cost effective, especially if you want to progress on alts as well. I can't believe they still haven't added Coal Wards to the loot tables in dungeons. They keep taking way and taking away but hardly ever give back and when they do, it's a HAMSTER-poor attempt - latest example being the wonderful Mini Apparatus of Gond, which must be the worst companion/augment in the history of the game.

reposterz · October 2016

If you get coupons do not bother with this discount, however coupons can be rare sometimes... unless you spend your life everyday playing too seriously.

urabask · October 2016

lirithiel said:
I invoke on 7 toons and complete the cycle daily (what a PITA) and I don't see Coal Wards very often - say about once a month. I open them in batches of 7. As @wylonus pointed out, buying Coal Wards from zen store just isn't cost effective, especially if you want to progress on alts as well. I can't believe they still haven't added Coal Wards to the loot tables in dungeons. They keep taking way and taking away but hardly ever give back and when they do, it's a HAMSTER-poor attempt - latest example being the wonderful Mini Apparatus of Gond, which must be the worst companion/augment in the history of the game.

I can understand why they don't add coal wards. But pres wards would make a lot of sense. There's too much demand for them for the price to drop much below the cost on the zen market. Would also deal with problems like the zax backlog which make are making ward prices jump to 6k a piece on the AH.

lirithiel · October 2016

Both Coal and Pres Wards have come down in price a wee bit during the double refinement event, but both are still ridiculously expensive on AH. I normally buy Pres Wards with every 15% discount coupon I get during invoking but the ZAX backlog has made that pretty much impossible unless you have zen at the time. So yeah I would even welcome Pres Wards being added to loot tables in dungeons.

urabask · October 2016

lirithiel said:
Both Coal and Pres Wards have come down in price a wee bit during the double refinement event, but both are still ridiculously expensive on AH. I normally buy Pres Wards with every 15% discount coupon I get during invoking but the ZAX backlog has made that pretty much impossible unless you have zen at the time. So yeah I would even welcome Pres Wards being added to loot tables in dungeons.

They've come down near the end of it but they were 7-8k at one point.

Coal wards on the other hand have been around 480k-500k. The higher cost and relatively lower demand just ensures that people undercut each other to be below the zen market price. The vast majority of upgrades are done with pres wards too so IMO not having access to them because of the backlog is a more pressing problem than coal wards.

wylonus · October 2016

i would like to make stack of them and do them later, but my issue is limited bag slots.

plasticbat · October 2016

wylonus said:
i would like to make stack of them and do them later, but my issue is limited bag slots.

You only needs one shared bank slot and that covers all the toons you have.

arcticblitz · October 2016

I was thinking about this the other day, how about a cash only version of the C-Ward, I thought part of the reason the zen price was so high is that you can get zen for AD ( effectively free if you work for it). if they had a pure cash BOA version at a reasonable price say $2 each as well as the current zen version consumers might be inclined to pay cash to speed up progression.

crizpynutz · October 2016

They just really need to put Pres and Coal Wards back in the TBar store - increase the cost, that's fine. It would help the ZAX too.

litaaers · October 2016

santralafax said:

litaaers said:

wylonus said:

only way to buy is from Zen, it is one way single access and many players hate it.
Incorrect on both counts. It may be the only way for *you* and *your* playstyle. Maybe even for quite a few. But not the only way.
I know there are some people with many alts that have all day to invoke them, and they expect to get so many coal wards per month. Cheers to them. Glad they are independently wealthy. I get one every few months.

I suppose it is possible to be a wzard of the auction house and earn enough AD to buy coal wards from others.

Those people have started a business out of a game, which is almost never a good choice. There is no legal way to turn the proceeds back into RL cash. Now, people who do this, and use it to fund their in-game equipment and such are perfectly fine.

When someone 'doesn't have', they tend to hate those who 'do'. Yet, if the opportunity for a choice 'buy-lo, sell-hi' presented itself, the have-nots would jump upon the chance and hang on with both claws, and then later deny being 'whales', saying 'Its part of the game, so I'm good.'

It's the way of the game, just as it is the way of people to complain when its mostly anonymous.

btairborne · October 2016

wylonus said:
still failed to get C-ward from invokings, hadnt got one since last year with 5 alts, not going to make an army of invokers by adding more alts. i think it is almost non-exist, or that RNG is just being mean and rotten.

You've been unlucky that's all. It's a 2% chance drop from the coffers from what I can tell.

santralafax · October 2016

litaaers said:

Those people have started a business out of a game, which is almost never a good choice. There is no legal way to turn the proceeds back into RL cash. Now, people who do this, and use it to fund their in-game equipment and such are perfectly fine.

When someone 'doesn't have', they tend to hate those who 'do'. Yet, if the opportunity for a choice 'buy-lo, sell-hi' presented itself, the have-nots would jump upon the chance and hang on with both claws, and then later deny being 'whales', saying 'Its part of the game, so I'm good.'

It's the way of the game, just as it is the way of people to complain when its mostly anonymous.

I don't recall complaining about it. I don't personally feel like invoking 50 chars a day or watching the auction house continuously. Even harder now with Gateway gone, anyway. Those playstyles are even more work, less play, IMO.

litaaers · October 2016

santralafax said:

litaaers said:

Those people have started a business out of a game, which is almost never a good choice. There is no legal way to turn the proceeds back into RL cash. Now, people who do this, and use it to fund their in-game equipment and such are perfectly fine.

When someone 'doesn't have', they tend to hate those who 'do'. Yet, if the opportunity for a choice 'buy-lo, sell-hi' presented itself, the have-nots would jump upon the chance and hang on with both claws, and then later deny being 'whales', saying 'Its part of the game, so I'm good.'

It's the way of the game, just as it is the way of people to complain when its mostly anonymous.

I don't recall complaining about it. I don't personally feel like invoking 50 chars a day or watching the auction house continuously. Even harder now with Gateway gone, anyway. Those playstyles are even more work, less play, IMO.

I wasn't referring to you when I said that, just as you weren't referring to me when you said "I know there are some people with many alts that have all day to invoke them, and they expect to get so many coal wards per month. Cheers to them. Glad they are independently wealthy."

and

"I suppose it is possible to be a wzard of the auction house and earn enough AD to buy coal wards from others."

It's not a matter of the ability to make AD. Its a matter of 'do I want to spend time doing xyz to make AD'.

I keep an inventory slot set aside for each type of potion at my level. While playing, I pick them up, and when the stack get big, I sell them. And they ALWAYS sell. Even lower tier potions from blue Abandoned gear bags. I won't get rich that way, but I'm sure I've made enough to buy some Zen and turn it into Preservation wards, which turn into AD, which turn into more items, etc. Available to everyone with the patience.

wylonus · October 2016

coffers are bound to character, they cant be place in share bank. they cant use all the alts placing the coffers into a single stack. devs wont allow that.

arcticblitz · October 2016

wylonus said:
coffers are bound to character, they cant be place in share bank. they cant use all the alts placing the coffers into a single stack. devs wont allow that.

You'll find they are BTA, I put 3 into my shared bank last night.

wylonus · October 2016

dont know if devs approve it, if they allow coffers to be passable to alts.
i would like to know.

tripsofthrymr · October 2016

btairborne said:

You've been unlucky that's all. It's a 2% chance drop from the coffers from what I can tell.

I have seen that number stated before and it does feel about right. I have played pretty constantly since open beta and have received a good number of coalescent wards from invoke boxes. One of my guildies got something like a 15-20% success rate when he first started playing (it subsequently normalized). Some people will be lucky for a time and some will be unlucky. In the long run, you will get coalescent wards from invoking.

remfdt said:
Price coals at $1, and pres wards at $0.05 each (no coupons), and I think they'd see a HUGE increase in gross, and net, income.

My gut says the standard price is too high for optimal sales. My gut could be totally wrong. PWE has a great deal of experience pricing their games and I would assume they have run pricing models using data that we will never be privy to.

The good news is, you really don't need highest-rank weapon and armor enchantments for PVE content. A Soulforged is the most common armor enchantment and a Lesser will do you just fine. You get more benefit from ranking up weapon enchantments, but you certainly don't need Transcendent rank to succeed.

Note that it is generally cheaper to buy a Lesser weapon/armor enchantment than to buy a coalescent ward and make one from shards. Save those store-bought coalescent wards, should you choose to buy them, to get past lesser.

urabask · October 2016

tripsofthrymr said:
My gut says the standard price is too high for optimal sales. My gut could be totally wrong. PWE has a great deal of experience pricing their games and I would assume they have run pricing models using data that we will never be privy to.

I know they pretty much winged their monetization model in Blacklight and ended up re-working it at least three times because they couldn't figure out how to price things in an FPS. I'd assume they have more experience with mmorpgs but I really wouldn't put that much confidence in the idea that the work they've done deciding on prices is all that complex.

plasticbat · October 2016

wylonus said:
dont know if devs approve it, if they allow coffers to be passable to alts.
i would like to know.

It has been like that since they introduced those coffers. It has been BtA since. I have stacked them in one single stack in shared bank since. BtA means you can use it any toon in the account. If they do not approve that, they would have set that up as BtC. In addition, the stuff within the coffer is BtA anyway.

wylonus · October 2016

ok, thanks

15% off for C-wards were like eh....still cant afford it.

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