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  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    vteasy wrote: »
    if they are updating other gear, they should update this one, done deal

    maybe go ask them to upgrade you lvl1 gray stuff to be viable at 70, because getting new gear and mmorpgs dont mix
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  • vteasyvteasy Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Also they can update Black Ice Profession to have more useful items
  • mh0rammh0ram Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    BI gear is not just some old gear, you cant buy it, and there is no sub. for it. BI gear is ONE OF A Kind and as he said a whole Module was made for it.
    It's not like you can just go get the set on the AH and is still one of the most powerful sets in MOD 5.

    tnx

    But it's God Awful Fugly.
  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    burkaanc wrote: »
    did u check this set http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?846441-Eternal-set ?
    7k stats + 37k hp from rare @ lvl 61, when t2 has 5.5k and templar 5.7k stats+some hp

    judging from lvl 70 content running with some 30k hp wont be viable, or at least will be pain in the rear

    and they need to get rid of t2 sets cause of the op bonuses

    I'm running with 40k no biggie on my CW.

    And if you have some ideas how to populate IWD other than Black Ice gear let us now. You have no substantial ideas after bulldoze, bulldoze, bulldoze!
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  • rversantrversant Member Posts: 896 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I'm just sad that black ice gear will essentially be pointless unless they make the gear scale to 70 and still have competitive stats because otherwise why work so hard for PVP gear thats pointless as you level up higher (especially when you'd probably hit 65+ from the campaigns time alone lol). I've spent weeks and still have no black ice gloves. :(
    People are way too negative, Why cant we just all get along.


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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    They're probably theorycrafting on it right now. They're not that bad to let an entire module become useless to invest time into.
  • mh0rammh0ram Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    ghoulz66 wrote: »
    They're probably theorycrafting on it right now. They're not that bad to let an entire module become useless to invest time into.

    Me thinks a large portion of the "Dragon" population thinks that was an entire useless module.
  • rversantrversant Member Posts: 896 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    mh0ram wrote: »
    Me thinks a large portion of the "Dragon" population thinks that was an entire useless module.

    I actually had loads of fun in the IWD area. the open pvp was much more satisfying than domination, because its not premade stacks of BIS people vs the scraps. also lets me and my friends go 1v1 against each other for bragging rights.
    People are way too negative, Why cant we just all get along.


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  • mh0rammh0ram Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    rversant wrote: »
    I actually had loads of fun in the IWD area. the open pvp was much more satisfying than domination, because its not premade stacks of BIS people vs the scraps. also lets me and my friends go 1v1 against each other for bragging rights.

    So have we, but it's a novelty at best. That's just me though.

    And, gloves gated behind RNG that you then Craft, and have to feed. All to do 1 skirmish? Wasn't exactly something I was interested in.

    That being said I have sets on HR and CW, but I could give a flying rip if they get "updated" or not. I'd actually prefer not and move on. I can't count how many times I've seen people whine about the gloves...
  • vadimt83vadimt83 Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    A whole module was built around this gear, its complex to aquire and maintain. This isnt some random T2 you can buy at the AH for 10k. Seeing IWD deserted because no one intersted in it, would be just sad.
    Updating it to lvl 70 and adding T4 empowerement will breath live into IWD.
  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    burkaanc wrote: »
    why the hell everybody cries for upgrades to old gear ?

    whats the point of having a new level cap if we still have all the old equipment ?
    Because they are updating old campaigns to level 70 and it only makes sense to get level 70 rewards for over month long campaigns?
  • free2payfree2pay Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The only way I can see to make T1,T2 and even BI gears relevant would be to reduce the minimum level they can be equipped. Sure they will be obsolete beyond level 60+ but having such a short lifespan for the absurd amount of effort required to get them is rather incomprehensible. I'd say let T1 gear be equippable at lvl 25, T2 at lvl 35, BI at lvl 45. That way contents where such items dropped will still be relevant.
  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    lerdocix wrote: »
    Because they are updating old campaigns to level 70 and it only makes sense to get level 70 rewards for over month long campaigns?

    new gear yes, old <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> updated no

    these sets have been around for so long its boring, these old campaigns should be used for leveling not because they cant be bothered with new content
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  • nolashmendesnolashmendes Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    meh, bis is 'ok' i i prefer my templar set now :)
  • ucanthandleucanthandle Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    No need to upgrade the old Black Ice. The reason that most people hated IWD was because they could not get the initial piece to get started. They need to make new pieces that are independent of the old Black Ice armors. They have a chance to fix things now without having to rework the old gear and making people mad that spent the time grinding it the hard (insane? luck?) way.
  • graalx3graalx3 Member Posts: 232
    edited February 2015
    There will be a new tier of Black Ice armor, both Corrupted and Purified. It will be, at max fill of Black Ice, in between the 2 sets of Dungeon armors. I did increase the drop rate of the Black Ice Arms and you can use also your old Corrupted/Purified Arms to make the new Black Ice arms. It should be visible in the next patch.
  • midnightitamidnightita Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    There will be a new tier of Black Ice armor, both Corrupted and Purified. It will be, at max fill of Black Ice, in between the 2 sets of Dungeon armors. I did increase the drop rate of the Black Ice Arms and you can use also your old Corrupted/Purified Arms to make the new Black Ice arms. It should be visible in the next patch.

    Very nice! thanks.
  • vteasyvteasy Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    There will be a new tier of Black Ice armor, both Corrupted and Purified. It will be, at max fill of Black Ice, in between the 2 sets of Dungeon armors. I did increase the drop rate of the Black Ice Arms and you can use also your old Corrupted/Purified Arms to make the new Black Ice arms. It should be visible in the next patch.

    Sounds great all around. Interested to see if Black Ice damage/resistance will play a factor in some builds.
  • graalx3graalx3 Member Posts: 232
    edited February 2015
    Black Ice damage is a thing of the past. It has been removed from all monsters and resistance from equipment. We didn't want to force players to wear Black Ice only in Icewind Dale.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    There will be a new tier of Black Ice armor, both Corrupted and Purified. It will be, at max fill of Black Ice, in between the 2 sets of Dungeon armors. I did increase the drop rate of the Black Ice Arms and you can use also your old Corrupted/Purified Arms to make the new Black Ice arms. It should be visible in the next patch.

    summoning @graalx3

    you stated about all lv 70 gear having HP.
    you can expect more HP on purified and some HP on corrupted then?
    thanks
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    Black Ice damage is a thing of the past. It has been removed from all monsters and resistance from equipment. We didn't want to force players to wear Black Ice only in Icewind Dale.

    So Kessel's Retreat is no longer being gated behind BI equipment, and will BI Equipment have a new stat added to it to replace BI Resistance?
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  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    There will be a new tier of Black Ice armor, both Corrupted and Purified. It will be, at max fill of Black Ice, in between the 2 sets of Dungeon armors. I did increase the drop rate of the Black Ice Arms and you can use also your old Corrupted/Purified Arms to make the new Black Ice arms. It should be visible in the next patch.

    Thanks, that makes so much sense for the reasons stated.

    Have you considered tying the new PVP armor to IWD as well? The open world areas need all the help they can get.
  • koalazebra1koalazebra1 Member Posts: 1,173 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2015
    black ice resistance is really meeeeeeh, unless you add more sources of black ice damage.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    Black Ice damage is a thing of the past. It has been removed from all monsters and resistance from equipment. We didn't want to force players to wear Black Ice only in Icewind Dale.

    That would be my question as well then, to confirm that Kessel will no longer require anything but to unlock it and maybe have an ilvl requirement.
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  • animalustanimalust Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 573 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2015
    burkaanc wrote: »
    why the hell everybody cries for upgrades to old gear ?

    whats the point of having a new level cap if we still have all the old equipment ?

    didnt read all replies, but..

    The answer is that this level Cap Increase is designed to make it easier for Cryptic to re-designate dungeons and gear to different lvl brackets.

    Right now we have 20 different sets of gear and 20 Dungeons to run at 60, yet only 2 sets of gear are worth even looking at and only 2 or 3 dungeons are worth running.

    its not so much that they have added 10 new levels to the game, but more like they redesigned the game to be played out over 70 level instead of 60. they nerf the worth of each stat, increased the top lvl of enchants and artifacts, and the end result will be: We are simply working our butts off Simply to get Back to where we currently are in Live Server (that is, for the BIS end gamers)


    but hey, its still early in mod 6 testing, who knows what 70 will actually be like when it goes live.
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  • ucanthandleucanthandle Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I have the gloves on 4 of my chars, the others have not been lucky enough to get. Is the increase in drop something noticeable, or is it such a small percent that it will not matter? Seeing a 1 in 200 drop rate vs 1 in 250 isnt that noticeable. It would be nice if a person tried to farm it for 20 hours and was able to be successful in that time. It shouldnt be much harder to get than any other piece since it is not stronger (when Black Ice armor was the only armor with overload slots it was understandable that the armor be rarer and hard to get).
  • vadimt83vadimt83 Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    There will be a new tier of Black Ice armor, both Corrupted and Purified. It will be, at max fill of Black Ice, in between the 2 sets of Dungeon armors. I did increase the drop rate of the Black Ice Arms and you can use also your old Corrupted/Purified Arms to make the new Black Ice arms. It should be visible in the next patch.
    Thanks for the info.
    So if I understand right, T2 dungeon armor will be better than the new tier black ice armor?
    Currently on live, the only armor that has (arguable) better stats than black ice is draconic templar. T2 armor is inferior (stat wise only, set bonuses aside).
  • packrat0packrat0 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    graalx3 wrote: »
    There will be a new tier of Black Ice armor, both Corrupted and Purified. It will be, at max fill of Black Ice, in between the 2 sets of Dungeon armors. I did increase the drop rate of the Black Ice Arms and you can use also your old Corrupted/Purified Arms to make the new Black Ice arms. It should be visible in the next patch.

    So, let me get this straight.
    BI gear, which by original design was intended to be more powerful than PvE T2 gear (thus it's T3 fully-empowered ranking) will get "levelled up," but that top level will in actuality be effectively T1.5?

    You realize this will completely kill IWD, right? Who would want to work for gear that is basically Drake Seal equipment with a set bonus?
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