You never pug with your Tr but you pug with your 14,5-15k DC.I saw a dc ,with your handle in a random match.
In that match we were on the same team.
We lost to a premade by a very large margin.
Your Dc was dying very easily to enemy TRs.Not attacking you ,it is normal for all the non TRs to know this:but since you are so sure maybe you should train your Dc first?...:)
Lmao are you calling me out? Jesus a lot of people talk <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about my skill level then never back it up
I see nothing about being 2 just that you say its a l2p issue for peeps who cant catch Trs in hide.
And I cant say i see you voting for Tr being utterly OP in live atm so that less then 2 can have a chanse to surive.
You me and all other know that if you come to live with any other class a 22k Tr would obliterate you while pron surfing and making dinner at the same time.
You sure as hell know that because you done so since module 5 (dunno about the pron surfing and making dinner at the same time when it comes to ya though :-)....
Let me just add for the sake of the argument that i have NO WISH for Trs to go back to module 4 or become non wanted in pve as the majority do play this game for pve.
As gwf gf hr and dc I know all to well how it feels when the nerf hammer hits to hard and its no fun at all for all involved.
But neither is getting sent to rezz by some invisible nuclar missile in every single pvp match you enter....
the TR that is whinin about PVE
"oh damage reduction, oh no!"
i wish you to post your PVE builds
i wish to see a PVE spec TR
with crit severity companions and CBA companions
+ FULL POWER
something similar to a GWF that goes full POWER.
so yea.
i wish to see a TR doing that .
and start goin in elol with a gwf that has the same specc and lets talk about DAMAGE REDUCTION.
gezas.
They will not do that. It is against their game design policy or they would've done it a year ago.
Frankly, I don't see any PVE TRs crying at the moment nor do they have any reason to. Who cares if you make the most dps in Tiamat? You still get the same crappy rewards plus a linu's favor. In fact, TRs should just spec for control of adds if they are doing Tiamat. DPS also doesn't matter anymore in well of dragons since you just ride the mount across the map and zerg.
Cryptic has already set a precedent for making some interactions with players different than with mobs. Various forms of CC are less effective against players, Wilds Medicine is half as effective against players, etc. Devs can make the change PVP-only, and my point was primarily to change the discussion towards PVP. No PVPers are asking for a nerf to TR PVE damage, so that shouldn't be a counter argument to the 'don't nerf stealth, nerf damage'.
the TR that is whinin about PVE
"oh damage reduction, oh no!"
i wish you to post your PVE builds
i wish to see a PVE spec TR
with crit severity companions and CBA companions
+ FULL POWER
something similar to a GWF that goes full POWER.
so yea.
i wish to see a TR doing that .
and start goin in elol with a gwf that has the same specc and lets talk about DAMAGE REDUCTION.
gezas.
The point, is that PVP is not the only thing that matters in this PVE-focused game.
I don't play a TR, it is just not for me. But I often do dungeons and do the Tiamat raid with TRs. TRs have long complained that they were not wanted in parties because whatever utility that they might be able to bring could be delivered more adequately by other classes. And I have no reason to disagree with them. Now, TRs are wanted in parties, and for good reason, especially for encounters like the Tiamat raid where time is of the essence.
No man.You said you can teach us how to avoid and find trs.Yet i saw you fail to do that while you played as DC.As simple as that.
my at the time 14k GS DC, yea that was a true test dude....
Man some poeple just don't put 2 and 2 together, like...
And Yes, I can teach people how to find and avoid tr's, it's cake, I've done it every module up to this one and the only issue this module is the fact that 1 daily = win, other then that a TR is still cake if you
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Go watch some streams from the CW/GWF's PoV Last mod of the top guilds, you'll see that practice in action
People will just say "Oh it's because your a TR"
But I always know where a stealth tr is on the point, its a small circle, theres multiple visual tells, and TR's are victims of patterns. The 100% crit is the issue, stealth is a L2P issue and you can never convince me otherwise
Why?
because I've taught it, I've Faught it, and I lived it in the last 3 modules. What I see here are players that don't practice and people who don't organize Premades vs Premades complaining about skill level... when is the last time any of you people challeneged another guild to a match?
Call me arrogant but these are facts coming from the top of the PvP spectrum. The sooner people quit complaining, and get to practicing (Oh what? I don't want to practice to be competitive) the sooner L2P issues like stealth won't be a problem anymore
Tr's we are already pretty hard to kill. The real way for us to really die is when we're caught by a CW. And the only option for getting out of such scenario is mostly exclusive to MI.
Stealth reveal is fine, but only for I'd say half a second. To at least give people a way to counter the ones that play perma stealth.
2 seconds is waaaaay too long. That will make stealth unreliable to be undetected.
ok let the whining begin, I havent seen any pro players in game complained about TR because they know how to handle the situation so probably the imbeciles are here complaining so I will stick around and enjoy the frustration coffee anyone?
who gives you the permission to link my video to prove your whatnot point. all recordings r for my own training purposes only. plus it ws quite a while ago in module 4. i own everything? i did nothing but running circles trying to keep distance all times and throwing daggers to proc coolown reduction feat, and DF when i know im about to screw up my rotation. that was my only job - survive. ok since u brought this up u see the part where i 1v1 hr? this is exactly what will happen if he can see me for 2 sec, CA will tick during that, boar shift its 2shots gg. u say open with daze all wil be good? when a hr has fox cunning its an automatic dodge for my daze what can i do to get rid of it before daze? throw a dagger reveal myself? id also like u to try it with a vorpal trapper like sandstorm or mouz, its impractical not to mention holding 2, survibility is on edge even in 1v1. try it on sobek alone faking his encounters till im out of stamina and once he sees me 35k come and get it me to sf.
simple. rework sab tree cos u cant have perma AND dmg at the same time, exe will take care of the dmg part. but 100% crit is nonesense, together with piercing dmg, thats what causes all the drama. scoundrel remain as a cc duelist. sab needs to be able to deal moderate dmg but have the utility to remain in stealth. learn to track tr, its not hard if u actually practice. if u implement stealth reveal u just destroyed the current sab and WK path. in guild wars 2 i can also perma but i can also go in and out of stealth when i use different setups. devs are trying to provide options for tr gameplay which is why there are 3 trees, making it harder to remain in stealth doesnt have to grant others true sight, stealth depletion on hit already served that purpose.
Simple fact is every class should have the opportunity to defend themselves, and as it stand this is the exact opposite of what is currently live.
If you attack someone you should become visible, if this means only being able to use at wills while stealthed this wouldn't be so bad.
The larger concern is the TRs ability to either start every fight with with their opponent having only 50% or less health, or the ability to literally unplug "daze" their keyboard from 100%-0%, neither is even remotely fair.
Anyone who claims it is fair to say...
#1 Ok let me click this, ok your at 50% lets start now.
or
#2 Ok I unplugged your keyboard we can start now.
This is essentially what TRs are able to consistently do right now, if anyone thinks this is fair or alright at all you are not only a fool
but not nearly as skilled a player as you think you are because there is VERY little skill involved in either of those scenarios.
Oh and BTW I am GF 19k and on the same Skill lvl as Druss, BlindSeer and GodMode so I know my class and I know how broken TRs at the moment at least vs GFs. I can not speak for other classes but I hear plenty of complaints from very geared 20k+ players who are not pugs and skilled. Id say that is a very telling sign along with the leader-board which does not lie.
Coming from a guy that claims you can learn how to counter a TR looking at mod 4 footage when the buffs occurred in mod 5.
You Never Do Premades
I do, when I can get them. I'm not in a well known guild, but I am known to a few of the people of those top PvP guilds. It's no secret they favor premade slots to guildmates than non-guildmates.
your a biased DPS DC
First off, I'm aware that DC can use tweaking in terms of an ICD on faithful Capstone healing, a % modifier on Emp Astral shield. In addition, I provide good feedback on how to counter, like using a knockback on a DC standing in the shield (or waiting it out) and using CC. You can't say much on TR stealth except "Follow the visual cues, l2play."
You can't target the stealth TR except when he's close enough to attack you. If he dazes you from stealth, you have no choice but to eat whatever he throws at you after that. If you happen to create an opening while he's stealthed, he can use ITC and run, and you have no recourse.
the only issue's are the dailies
No, it's the fact you cannot fight back against a permastealth TR.
Your not even BiS
So I have rank 9's instead of rank 10's in both my purified and corrupted sets, big whoop. So I don't use 100 miles of pots for every PvP match or use red dragon glyphs, oh jeez. I have legendary artifact mainhand, cloak, belt, and regular artifacts. My offhand is blue, but that will change shortly.
I can say I *earned* them unlike what some people have to say about you.
Also, sorry, I use a bit of grace in how I PvP and avoid anything I consider cheap. Free Damage procs from Glyphs are ungraceful, as are relying on potions. I honestly think PvP is better as a whole when doing this.
Like I established in the other thread, your credibility backing is zil
You can't even address the statistics I've said. When are you going to address them?
Coming from a guy that claims you can learn how to counter a TR looking at mod 4 footage when the buffs occurred in mod 5.
I do, when I can get them. I'm not in a well known guild, but I am known to a few of the people of those top PvP guilds. It's no secret they favor premade slots to guildmates than non-guildmates.
First off, I'm aware that DC can use tweaking in terms of an ICD on faithful Capstone healing, a % modifier on Emp Astral shield. In addition, I provide good feedback on how to counter, like using a knockback on a DC standing in the shield (or waiting it out) and using CC. You can't say much on TR stealth except "Follow the visual cues, l2play."
You can't target the stealth TR except when he's close enough to attack you. If he dazes you from stealth, you have no choice but to eat whatever he throws at you after that. If you happen to create an opening while he's stealthed, he can use ITC and run, and you have no recourse.
No, it's the fact you cannot fight back against a permastealth TR.
So I have rank 9's instead of rank 10's in both my purified and corrupted sets, big whoop. So I don't use 100 miles of pots for every PvP match or use red dragon glyphs, oh jeez. I have legendary artifact mainhand, cloak, belt, and regular artifacts. My offhand is blue, but that will change shortly.
I can say I *earned* them unlike what some people have to say about you.
Also, sorry, I use a bit of grace in how I PvP and avoid anything I consider cheap. Free Damage procs from Glyphs are ungraceful, as are relying on potions. I honestly think PvP is better as a whole when doing this.
You can't even address the statistics I've said. When are you going to address them?
LOL nice Dodge there boy
No, not your healing, your **** DPS tree
DPS dc's can kill any class 1v1 right now besides TR on live, and every class on the PTR, with little means of counter because Fire of the gods
IF you cant your doing it wrong
one of my guilds DC's Iyon the Dark can beat every class consistantly 1v1
your biased bro, you just want to be unkillable
Next, you've never premaded in a guild vs guild organized match, so your expierence is zero
you "provide counters" for your class, yet your actual skills in game are lacking and you havent offered to demonstrate first hand
Further More, I earned all of my rank 10s and gear, prove that I havent
Your statistics are false, there I addressed them
Lmao if you want to 1 line my comments I'll do the exact same to you, issue is I've been playing since beta and actually have organized pvp expierence
After playing another domination with 5 17+gs on my team facing 3 nobs and 2 trs on the others side gs 18 and loosing as they killed my team endlessly ending up 25+-0 on both Trs I welcome any nerf they make on the Trs my patience for these abusive little geeks are at the roads end.
If it turns out that they are killeble (whish i very much daubt until i see it) I make it my goal to even up the kill ratio for the comming weaks on the behalf of all these pesky little geeks...
After playing another domination with 5 17+gs on my team facing 3 nobs and 2 trs on the others side gs 18 and loosing as they killed my team endlessly ending up 25+-0 on both Trs I welcome any nerf they make on the Trs my patience for these abusive little geeks are at the roads end.
If it turns out that they are killeble (whish i very much daubt until i see it) I make it my goal to even up the kill ratio for the comming weaks on the behalf of all these pesky little geeks...
Dodging what? Pointing out balances that can be made and where they can be made? Pointing out counters?
No, not your healing, your **** DPS tree
Yeah, and you're the sab tree. Why don't you play a tree that needs skill, like scoundrel?
DPS dc's can kill any class 1v1 right now besides TR on live, and every class on the PTR, with little means of counter because Fire of the gods
And any class can kill them easily in 1v1. Ask Etherion, I duel him sometimes when I'm in Icewind.
IF you cant your doing it wrong
one of my guilds DC's Iyon the Dark can beat every class consistantly 1v1
Yeah, I've fought him before on the PTR when the changes were proposed. He uses damage dragon glyphs, which I find to be disgraceful. I could very well do the same, but I find it more *skillful* to defeat enemies without it. In any case, it seems he dies somewhat frequently, indicative that there are some hard counters possible against a DPS DC, unlike a permastealth TR.
your biased bro, you just want to be unkillable
And then you ignore the tweaking they can do to DC class that I just posted. Don't confuse me for you.
Next, you've never premaded in a guild vs guild organized match, so your expierence is zero
you "provide counters" for your class, yet your actual skills in game are lacking and you havent offered to demonstrate first hand
No, I've fought against absolute premades before with my ragtag group of PvP friends from other guilds. However, most of those matches we lost due to minor GS discrepancy as, not all of them are sporting BiS gear quite yet (and 1000 miles of pots), along with using unorthodox (read: Not Meta) team compositions. In any case, the matches where we did have you, all of them noted that there was absolutely 0 things they could do against you, even when teaming against you. The rest of your team can be taken out if we had 2 people on them at once, except the TR. This is most likely due to permastealth mechanics and this is what's changing.
Further More, I earned all of my rank 10s and gear, prove that I havent
This is the part you respond to, nothing else? All you're doing is hurling insults at this point. All I can say is I've seen screenshots of certain admissions involving your very own @handle. They may be forgeries, but then you should take it up with people that have posted them. But one thing is certain, the age of your account shows that you were around when such things were available. Considering your current attitude though, I wouldn't say you were above using those unsavory methods.
Your statistics are false, there I addressed them
43 out of the top 100 in leaderboard are TR's. Address this.
You've only died 43 times into mod 5 playing near 200 matches against top of the line PvP guilds. Address how this isn't indicative of too much defensive power on the side of a TR.
Lmao if you want to 1 line my comments I'll do the exact same to you, issue is I've been playing since beta and actually have organized pvp expierence
I welcome it since then you won't be able to skirt past 90% of the stuff I'm saying.
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tell that to the PVE TRs
Lmao are you calling me out? Jesus a lot of people talk <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about my skill level then never back it up
Do you know how to read?
No man.You said you can teach us how to avoid and find trs.Yet i saw you fail to do that while you played as DC.As simple as that.
"oh damage reduction, oh no!"
i wish you to post your PVE builds
i wish to see a PVE spec TR
with crit severity companions and CBA companions
+ FULL POWER
something similar to a GWF that goes full POWER.
so yea.
i wish to see a TR doing that .
and start goin in elol with a gwf that has the same specc and lets talk about DAMAGE REDUCTION.
gezas.
Sure do you know how to play a non Tr and show how easy it is to flush out and beat a Tr or just cant put your money where you mouth is ......
Cryptic has already set a precedent for making some interactions with players different than with mobs. Various forms of CC are less effective against players, Wilds Medicine is half as effective against players, etc. Devs can make the change PVP-only, and my point was primarily to change the discussion towards PVP. No PVPers are asking for a nerf to TR PVE damage, so that shouldn't be a counter argument to the 'don't nerf stealth, nerf damage'.
Iyon the Dark
The point, is that PVP is not the only thing that matters in this PVE-focused game.
I don't play a TR, it is just not for me. But I often do dungeons and do the Tiamat raid with TRs. TRs have long complained that they were not wanted in parties because whatever utility that they might be able to bring could be delivered more adequately by other classes. And I have no reason to disagree with them. Now, TRs are wanted in parties, and for good reason, especially for encounters like the Tiamat raid where time is of the essence.
my at the time 14k GS DC, yea that was a true test dude....
Man some poeple just don't put 2 and 2 together, like...
And Yes, I can teach people how to find and avoid tr's, it's cake, I've done it every module up to this one and the only issue this module is the fact that 1 daily = win, other then that a TR is still cake if you
P
R
A
C
T
I
C
E
Go watch some streams from the CW/GWF's PoV Last mod of the top guilds, you'll see that practice in action
People will just say "Oh it's because your a TR"
But I always know where a stealth tr is on the point, its a small circle, theres multiple visual tells, and TR's are victims of patterns. The 100% crit is the issue, stealth is a L2P issue and you can never convince me otherwise
Why?
because I've taught it, I've Faught it, and I lived it in the last 3 modules. What I see here are players that don't practice and people who don't organize Premades vs Premades complaining about skill level... when is the last time any of you people challeneged another guild to a match?
Call me arrogant but these are facts coming from the top of the PvP spectrum. The sooner people quit complaining, and get to practicing (Oh what? I don't want to practice to be competitive) the sooner L2P issues like stealth won't be a problem anymore
Once again, this is mod 5.
Once again your logic is flawed
You Never Do Premades
your a biased DPS DC
the only issue's are the dailies
Your not even BiS
Like I established in the other thread, your credibility backing is zil
Stealth reveal is fine, but only for I'd say half a second. To at least give people a way to counter the ones that play perma stealth.
2 seconds is waaaaay too long. That will make stealth unreliable to be undetected.
ok let the whining begin, I havent seen any pro players in game complained about TR because they know how to handle the situation so probably the imbeciles are here complaining so I will stick around and enjoy the frustration
simple. rework sab tree cos u cant have perma AND dmg at the same time, exe will take care of the dmg part. but 100% crit is nonesense, together with piercing dmg, thats what causes all the drama. scoundrel remain as a cc duelist. sab needs to be able to deal moderate dmg but have the utility to remain in stealth. learn to track tr, its not hard if u actually practice. if u implement stealth reveal u just destroyed the current sab and WK path. in guild wars 2 i can also perma but i can also go in and out of stealth when i use different setups. devs are trying to provide options for tr gameplay which is why there are 3 trees, making it harder to remain in stealth doesnt have to grant others true sight, stealth depletion on hit already served that purpose.
If you attack someone you should become visible, if this means only being able to use at wills while stealthed this wouldn't be so bad.
The larger concern is the TRs ability to either start every fight with with their opponent having only 50% or less health, or the ability to literally unplug "daze" their keyboard from 100%-0%, neither is even remotely fair.
Anyone who claims it is fair to say...
#1 Ok let me click this, ok your at 50% lets start now.
or
#2 Ok I unplugged your keyboard we can start now.
This is essentially what TRs are able to consistently do right now, if anyone thinks this is fair or alright at all you are not only a fool
but not nearly as skilled a player as you think you are because there is VERY little skill involved in either of those scenarios.
Oh and BTW I am GF 19k and on the same Skill lvl as Druss, BlindSeer and GodMode so I know my class and I know how broken TRs at the moment at least vs GFs. I can not speak for other classes but I hear plenty of complaints from very geared 20k+ players who are not pugs and skilled. Id say that is a very telling sign along with the leader-board which does not lie.
Sigh - GF 19k
Coming from a guy that claims you can learn how to counter a TR looking at mod 4 footage when the buffs occurred in mod 5.
I do, when I can get them. I'm not in a well known guild, but I am known to a few of the people of those top PvP guilds. It's no secret they favor premade slots to guildmates than non-guildmates.
First off, I'm aware that DC can use tweaking in terms of an ICD on faithful Capstone healing, a % modifier on Emp Astral shield. In addition, I provide good feedback on how to counter, like using a knockback on a DC standing in the shield (or waiting it out) and using CC. You can't say much on TR stealth except "Follow the visual cues, l2play."
You can't target the stealth TR except when he's close enough to attack you. If he dazes you from stealth, you have no choice but to eat whatever he throws at you after that. If you happen to create an opening while he's stealthed, he can use ITC and run, and you have no recourse.
No, it's the fact you cannot fight back against a permastealth TR.
So I have rank 9's instead of rank 10's in both my purified and corrupted sets, big whoop. So I don't use 100 miles of pots for every PvP match or use red dragon glyphs, oh jeez. I have legendary artifact mainhand, cloak, belt, and regular artifacts. My offhand is blue, but that will change shortly.
I can say I *earned* them unlike what some people have to say about you.
Also, sorry, I use a bit of grace in how I PvP and avoid anything I consider cheap. Free Damage procs from Glyphs are ungraceful, as are relying on potions. I honestly think PvP is better as a whole when doing this.
You can't even address the statistics I've said. When are you going to address them?
TRs are underpowered in the zergfest Tiamat?
LOL nice Dodge there boy
No, not your healing, your **** DPS tree
DPS dc's can kill any class 1v1 right now besides TR on live, and every class on the PTR, with little means of counter because Fire of the gods
IF you cant your doing it wrong
one of my guilds DC's Iyon the Dark can beat every class consistantly 1v1
your biased bro, you just want to be unkillable
Next, you've never premaded in a guild vs guild organized match, so your expierence is zero
you "provide counters" for your class, yet your actual skills in game are lacking and you havent offered to demonstrate first hand
Further More, I earned all of my rank 10s and gear, prove that I havent
Your statistics are false, there I addressed them
Lmao if you want to 1 line my comments I'll do the exact same to you, issue is I've been playing since beta and actually have organized pvp expierence
If it turns out that they are killeble (whish i very much daubt until i see it) I make it my goal to even up the kill ratio for the comming weaks on the behalf of all these pesky little geeks...
offers tissue
Dodging what? Pointing out balances that can be made and where they can be made? Pointing out counters?
Yeah, and you're the sab tree. Why don't you play a tree that needs skill, like scoundrel?
And any class can kill them easily in 1v1. Ask Etherion, I duel him sometimes when I'm in Icewind.
Yeah, I've fought him before on the PTR when the changes were proposed. He uses damage dragon glyphs, which I find to be disgraceful. I could very well do the same, but I find it more *skillful* to defeat enemies without it. In any case, it seems he dies somewhat frequently, indicative that there are some hard counters possible against a DPS DC, unlike a permastealth TR.
And then you ignore the tweaking they can do to DC class that I just posted. Don't confuse me for you.
No, I've fought against absolute premades before with my ragtag group of PvP friends from other guilds. However, most of those matches we lost due to minor GS discrepancy as, not all of them are sporting BiS gear quite yet (and 1000 miles of pots), along with using unorthodox (read: Not Meta) team compositions. In any case, the matches where we did have you, all of them noted that there was absolutely 0 things they could do against you, even when teaming against you. The rest of your team can be taken out if we had 2 people on them at once, except the TR. This is most likely due to permastealth mechanics and this is what's changing.
This is the part you respond to, nothing else? All you're doing is hurling insults at this point. All I can say is I've seen screenshots of certain admissions involving your very own @handle. They may be forgeries, but then you should take it up with people that have posted them. But one thing is certain, the age of your account shows that you were around when such things were available. Considering your current attitude though, I wouldn't say you were above using those unsavory methods.
43 out of the top 100 in leaderboard are TR's. Address this.
You've only died 43 times into mod 5 playing near 200 matches against top of the line PvP guilds. Address how this isn't indicative of too much defensive power on the side of a TR.
I welcome it since then you won't be able to skirt past 90% of the stuff I'm saying.
You're literally destroying that arrogant individual while remaining calm, and he's slowly panicking and throwing insults at you.
You have my admiration comrade !
GWFs could be really scary. I wouldn't worry about CWs though. They nerfed them pretty quickly within a week so that HRs could eat them
Tnx i need it!!!
I will wear it around my forehead when i go Rambo on all ya pesky Trs butts the comming weeks......
HHahahahahhaha !!
Yeah man.... just wait, the Fighters will have their revenge one day, I SWEAR IT !
OP's responses are providing me with such entertainment.